RE: Help Wanted

[Eric Bastarache]

Yes, I'm prepared to work with the constraints you mentioned. My experience 
with more modern web systems consists of following:
PHP (with frameworks such as Laravel and 
Yii)MySQLMongoDBAngularJSNodeJSjQueryJavaScriptBoostrap CSSLess CSS 
pre-processor
Regards,
Eric
> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 00:00:09 +0200
> From: marcus.m...@wtnet.de
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> CC: eric_bastara...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Help Wanted
> 
> Am 09/04/2016 11:25 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> > Eric Bastarache wrote:
> >> My name is Eric Bastarache and I have experience in both web design
> >> and development, and I am interested in contributing to improving the
> >> look of the website(s) for OpenOffice.
> 
> welcome to our project. Knowledge in design *and* dev is not seen often 
> here on the mailing list. This sounds promising.
> 
> > Welcome! Both the web and the code areas of OpenOffice require a bit of
> > patience; we can guide you through all details (probably Marcus, who is
> > the most prolific contributor to the website, will step in) but I'll
> > give you some basic information on how the OpenOffice site differs from
> > an ordinary site.
> >
> > First, it's all static HTML and markdown. Yes, no CMS, no preprocessing,
> > no PHP, nothing. We do have some limited preprocessing in the form of
> > server-side includes for some common DIVs, but that's all.
> 
> AFAIK we have decided in the past to keep all the content from the old 
> Sun/Oracle times and to live with content and links that can get 
> outdated over the time. Instead of migrating all stuff into a more 
> modern and fancy website system which would be too much work.
> 
>  > JavaScript is used extensively to cope with server-side restrictions.
> 
> JS is used mostly in the download area (incl. the localized ones) to 
> create the offered download links automatially. This depends on the AOO 
> version which is currently out, the user's platform and language.
> 
> The remaining JS usage is only a bit here and there on the other webpages.
> 
> This was also done to offer the same look & feel for the other language 
> areas but with localized content.
> 
> > The site is built through SVN commits. You can checkout the site (a few
> > GBytes) with
> > $ svn co https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/
> > As for building it locally, it uses an ASF (Apache Software Foundation)
> > thing that is known as "the CMS" but has little to do with any CMS you
> > would consider.
> 
> The large size consists mostly of 2 things:
> 
> - The website is localized (more or less all pages) in a lot of
>languages which multiplies the content and therefore also the size.
> - A lot of files of zip, short movies, bigger graphics and PDFs are
>stored in SVN but not really available on the website.
> 
> > CSS: We are not using any CSS frameworks at the moment; not even JS
> > frameworks despite the quite active use of JavaScript. Adopting one,
> > though, wouldn't be an obstacle, since the site is built from static
> > content anyway (so one would either use SASS and "watch" the files with
> > Compass, or compile the CSS in any other way before committing).
> 
> We focus on a fast page load. Therefore no big JS and CSS frameworks. Of 
> course this could be changed when the loading is still fast. However, 
> the knowledge is not really existing to get the most of Angular.js, 
> Node.js or others.
> 
> > Are you prepared to work with this constraints? Then we'd love to get
> > some help and we can continue the discussion! If you have expertise with
> > more modern web systems, we could still use your help somehow, so don't
> > be scared in case.
> 
> Yes, it would be great if this plain vanilla approach and the limited 
> server support doesn't scare you.
> 
> Marcus
> 
  

Re: Help needed: Build error in bean and vcl

[Don Lewis]

On  4 Sep, Don Lewis wrote:
> On  4 Sep, Marcus wrote:
>> Thanks a lot. "libXt-devel" was indeed not installed.
>> 
>> But now it's breaking in svx:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> =
>> Building module svx
>> =
>> 
>> Entering /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/svx/prj
>> 
>> cd .. && make -s -r -j1   && make -s -r deliverlog
>> [ build LNK ] Library/libsvxcore.so
>> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/svx/source/fmcomp/fmgridif.o:
>> In function
>> `FmXGridControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
>> const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference
>> const&)':
>> fmgridif.cxx:(.text+0x68b2): undefined reference to `non-virtual thunk to
>> WindowListenerMultiplexer::acquire()'
>> /usr/bin/ld:
>> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/svx/source/fmcomp/fmgridif.o:
>> relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol
>> `_ZThn48_N25WindowListenerMultiplexer7acquireEv' can not be used when
>> making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
>> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
>> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:248: recipe for
>> target
>> '/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libsvxcore.so'
>> failed
>> make: ***
>> [/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libsvxcore.so]
>> Error 1
>> dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'
>> 
>> 1 module(s):
>>  svx
>> need(s) to be rebuilt
> 
> That looks very familiar.  What compiler version are you using?

Yup, it's gcc 4.9 bug.  This is what I did for the FreeBSD port to work
around this problem:


Unfortunately $(CCNUMVER) isn't available to gbuild so we can't disable
optimization of the affected file only for gcc 4.9.


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Re: compiler warnings when building OpenOffice

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 9/4/2016 3:45 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

On 9/1/2016 4:00 PM, Don Lewis wrote:

On  1 Sep, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

I need a problem to work on. Would you like me to take a particular
compiler warning and try to sort it out?


Here is one:

/wrkdirs/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-devel2/work/aoo-4.2.0/main/solver/420/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/osl/diagnose.hxx:65:25:
warning: 'osl_detail_ObjectRegistry_getMutex' has C-linkage specified,
but returns user-defined type '::osl::Mutex &' which is incompatible
with C [-Wreturn-type-c-linkage]

In sal/inc/osl/diagnose.hxx,
  ::osl::Mutex & SAL_CALL osl_detail_ObjectRegistry_getMutex()
is declared inside an extern "C" block, so it should have C linkage, but
it is returning a reference, which is a C++ thing.

The obvious fix would seem to be to move it out of the extern "C" block,
but I don't know what to do about the SAL_THROW_EXTERN_C() part of the
declaration.


I have compiled and done some basic tests with the declaration simply
moved out of the extern "C" block, and it did not appear to cause any
problems. I'll look into SAL_THROW_EXTERN_C next.


SAL_THROW_EXTERN_C and SAL_THROW are concerned with generating, or not 
generating, a dynamic exception specification in a function declaration. 
According to Wikipedia, 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B11#Features_removed_or_deprecated, 
dynamic exception specifications have been deprecated since C++11.


SAL_THROW_EXTERN_C with __cplusplus defined generates "throw ()", 
regardless of the linkage.


My recommendation is to leave it unchanged, but at some point we should 
examine and reconsider both SAL_THROW macros.


They are declared in main/sal/inc/sal/types.h

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RE: Kay's activities

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Good, thanks for getting this.

The web site effort was extensive.  

Kay was also the one who, along with Marcus, identify issues as blockers or to 
have their fixes ear-marked for 4.2.0.  She did the same for 4.1.2.  So she has 
done more than watch the bugzilla.

 - Dennis



> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 17:03
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Kay's activities
> 
> I think some of our troubles, including the Mac Buildbot issue, are
> related to not identifying and picking up activities that were being
> done by people who have left the project.
[orcmid] 

Yes, and some of that is because folks often just go dark and we don't know 
they've left.  That is happening with list moderators too.

> 
> I asked Kay for some notes on her activities - posted here with her
> permission:
> 
> > I'll do my best. Here goes -- in reverse order of my particiaption
> >
> > * buildbot script maintenance (recently Damajan and I). Before that,
> > Herbert Duerr
> >
> > svn info:
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildma
> ster/master1/projects/openofficeorg.conf
> >
> > Checkout is via: svn co
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildma
> ster/master1/projects
> >
> > which contains build scripts for all projects
> >
> > * monitoring BZ issues via iss...@openoffice.apache.org mailing list
> > Well presumably all developers do this.
> >
> > * monitoring commits via comm...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> > * subscription to infra
> > Normally this is not a big deal, and it's a VERY BUSY list
> >
> > * trying to fix bugs when I can
> > Well I am NOT a C++ programmer but was able to deal with stuff like
> > makefile problems
> >
> > * editing info on the wiki occasionally
> > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
> >
> > * editing pages on the project web site
> > http://openoffice.apache.org/
> >
> > *editing page on the end user web site
> > http://www.openoffice.org/
> >
> > NOTE: Both the web sites above involve use of the ASF CMS and staging
> areas.
> > See: http://openoffice.apache.org/website-local.html
> >
> > for details on what someone needs to do to deal with this.
> > This is where I started with AOO --bringing over the old
> OpenOffice.org
> > web site with Dave Fisher.
> >
> > * Updating the AOO update stuff when a new release comes out.
> > We have an "update URL" in AOO that is like an app inside AOO that
> pulls
> > new releases down for end users when I release comes up. Scripts are
> in:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/updates-site/
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Help needed: Build error in bean and vcl

[Don Lewis]

On  4 Sep, Marcus wrote:
> Thanks a lot. "libXt-devel" was indeed not installed.
> 
> But now it's breaking in svx:
> 
> [...]
> 
> =
> Building module svx
> =
> 
> Entering /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/svx/prj
> 
> cd .. && make -s -r -j1   && make -s -r deliverlog
> [ build LNK ] Library/libsvxcore.so
> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/svx/source/fmcomp/fmgridif.o:
> In function
> `FmXGridControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
> const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference
> const&)':
> fmgridif.cxx:(.text+0x68b2): undefined reference to `non-virtual thunk to
> WindowListenerMultiplexer::acquire()'
> /usr/bin/ld:
> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/svx/source/fmcomp/fmgridif.o:
> relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol
> `_ZThn48_N25WindowListenerMultiplexer7acquireEv' can not be used when
> making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:248: recipe for
> target
> '/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libsvxcore.so'
> failed
> make: ***
> [/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libsvxcore.so]
> Error 1
> dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'
> 
> 1 module(s):
>   svx
> need(s) to be rebuilt

That looks very familiar.  What compiler version are you using?


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Kay's activities

[Patricia Shanahan]

I think some of our troubles, including the Mac Buildbot issue, are 
related to not identifying and picking up activities that were being 
done by people who have left the project.


I asked Kay for some notes on her activities - posted here with her 
permission:



I'll do my best. Here goes -- in reverse order of my particiaption

* buildbot script maintenance (recently Damajan and I). Before that,
Herbert Duerr

svn info:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildmaster/master1/projects/openofficeorg.conf

Checkout is via: svn co
https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildmaster/master1/projects

which contains build scripts for all projects

* monitoring BZ issues via iss...@openoffice.apache.org mailing list
Well presumably all developers do this.

* monitoring commits via comm...@openoffice.apache.org

* subscription to infra
Normally this is not a big deal, and it's a VERY BUSY list

* trying to fix bugs when I can
Well I am NOT a C++ programmer but was able to deal with stuff like
makefile problems

* editing info on the wiki occasionally
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page

* editing pages on the project web site
http://openoffice.apache.org/

*editing page on the end user web site
http://www.openoffice.org/

NOTE: Both the web sites above involve use of the ASF CMS and staging areas.
See: http://openoffice.apache.org/website-local.html

for details on what someone needs to do to deal with this.
This is where I started with AOO --bringing over the old OpenOffice.org
web site with Dave Fisher.

* Updating the AOO update stuff when a new release comes out.
We have an "update URL" in AOO that is like an app inside AOO that pulls
new releases down for end users when I release comes up. Scripts are in:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/updates-site/




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ooo-site "Participation/Help-Wanted" structure (was RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?)

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 10:34
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?
> 
> Am 09/04/2016 06:43 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
[ ... ]
[orcmid] 

Forget about http://helpwanted.apache.org for the moment.  I think I know what 
is required there.

> >   3. I did look at putting something on the
> current  page.
> >
> > Although it is right there in the link, I kept looking for it on
> openoffice.org.  My error.  That explains why ooo-site does not have any
> get-involved/participate page with the "Diese Seite in Deutsch" line and
> the sentence " Although many are content to make a small donation to
> support Apache OpenOffice and the Apache Software Foundation (we
> appreciate every contribution), some users want to get more involved and
> volunteer their time and expertise with the project."
> >
> > Is this a hack on  to break out of the
> localization model and link "I want to participate in OpenOffice" to
> what we call the project site,?
> 
> I don't understand your question. This exists since, hm, I don't know
> when, maybe ever.
> 
> It also creates a special island where certain kinds of task are
> recruited from the German Language community, with a separate dev-de@
> list.  That separation puzzles me.
> 
> This is not a special thing. It's just a translation of the English
> "get_involved" webpage.
> 
> I'm sorry but I still don't know what you really want to do.
[orcmid] 

Let me restate my question.

3a.  I found 

 once I realized I was looking in the wrong place.  I get that the page was 
created in June 2011 by robweir and was last updated in 2012 and then again in 
2015 when the link to a standalone German page was added.

3b. The adjacent German page was created on my birthday in January, 2015, by 
joesch.  

3c. My first question is why is not , 
the material at 

 used?  If that is obsolete, should we not deleted that folder from the current 
SVN trunk?  

3d. My second question is, why is not , 
the material at

 used.  That page was created in August 2013 (also by robweir) and has been 
part of fixes made as recently as 2014.  This xx area is perfect for 
localization usage, and would allow others to create localized versions, it 
seems to me.  
  Again, if this folder is not actually used on the site, should it not be 
deleted from the current SVN trunk?
  My preference would be for the xx to be used so that the opportunity for 
localizations in other languages, not just German, could be handled in what 
appears to be the standard way.  
  
What is the barrier?






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Re: compiler warnings when building OpenOffice

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 9/1/2016 4:00 PM, Don Lewis wrote:

On  1 Sep, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

I need a problem to work on. Would you like me to take a particular
compiler warning and try to sort it out?


Here is one:

/wrkdirs/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-devel2/work/aoo-4.2.0/main/solver/420/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/osl/diagnose.hxx:65:25:
 warning: 'osl_detail_ObjectRegistry_getMutex' has C-linkage specified, but returns 
user-defined type '::osl::Mutex &' which is incompatible with C 
[-Wreturn-type-c-linkage]

In sal/inc/osl/diagnose.hxx,
  ::osl::Mutex & SAL_CALL osl_detail_ObjectRegistry_getMutex()
is declared inside an extern "C" block, so it should have C linkage, but
it is returning a reference, which is a C++ thing.

The obvious fix would seem to be to move it out of the extern "C" block,
but I don't know what to do about the SAL_THROW_EXTERN_C() part of the
declaration.


I have compiled and done some basic tests with the declaration simply 
moved out of the extern "C" block, and it did not appear to cause any 
problems. I'll look into SAL_THROW_EXTERN_C next.


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Re: Help Wanted

[Marcus]

Am 09/04/2016 11:25 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Eric Bastarache wrote:

My name is Eric Bastarache and I have experience in both web design
and development, and I am interested in contributing to improving the
look of the website(s) for OpenOffice.


welcome to our project. Knowledge in design *and* dev is not seen often 
here on the mailing list. This sounds promising.



Welcome! Both the web and the code areas of OpenOffice require a bit of
patience; we can guide you through all details (probably Marcus, who is
the most prolific contributor to the website, will step in) but I'll
give you some basic information on how the OpenOffice site differs from
an ordinary site.

First, it's all static HTML and markdown. Yes, no CMS, no preprocessing,
no PHP, nothing. We do have some limited preprocessing in the form of
server-side includes for some common DIVs, but that's all.


AFAIK we have decided in the past to keep all the content from the old 
Sun/Oracle times and to live with content and links that can get 
outdated over the time. Instead of migrating all stuff into a more 
modern and fancy website system which would be too much work.


> JavaScript is used extensively to cope with server-side restrictions.

JS is used mostly in the download area (incl. the localized ones) to 
create the offered download links automatially. This depends on the AOO 
version which is currently out, the user's platform and language.


The remaining JS usage is only a bit here and there on the other webpages.

This was also done to offer the same look & feel for the other language 
areas but with localized content.



The site is built through SVN commits. You can checkout the site (a few
GBytes) with
$ svn co https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/
As for building it locally, it uses an ASF (Apache Software Foundation)
thing that is known as "the CMS" but has little to do with any CMS you
would consider.


The large size consists mostly of 2 things:

- The website is localized (more or less all pages) in a lot of
  languages which multiplies the content and therefore also the size.
- A lot of files of zip, short movies, bigger graphics and PDFs are
  stored in SVN but not really available on the website.


CSS: We are not using any CSS frameworks at the moment; not even JS
frameworks despite the quite active use of JavaScript. Adopting one,
though, wouldn't be an obstacle, since the site is built from static
content anyway (so one would either use SASS and "watch" the files with
Compass, or compile the CSS in any other way before committing).


We focus on a fast page load. Therefore no big JS and CSS frameworks. Of 
course this could be changed when the loading is still fast. However, 
the knowledge is not really existing to get the most of Angular.js, 
Node.js or others.



Are you prepared to work with this constraints? Then we'd love to get
some help and we can continue the discussion! If you have expertise with
more modern web systems, we could still use your help somehow, so don't
be scared in case.


Yes, it would be great if this plain vanilla approach and the limited 
server support doesn't scare you.


Marcus


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Re: Help Wanted

[Andrea Pescetti]

Eric Bastarache wrote:

My name is Eric Bastarache and I have experience in both web design and 
development, and I am interested in contributing to improving the look of the 
website(s) for OpenOffice.


Welcome! Both the web and the code areas of OpenOffice require a bit of 
patience; we can guide you through all details (probably Marcus, who is 
the most prolific contributor to the website, will step in) but I'll 
give you some basic information on how the OpenOffice site differs from 
an ordinary site.


First, it's all static HTML and markdown. Yes, no CMS, no preprocessing, 
no PHP, nothing. We do have some limited preprocessing in the form of 
server-side includes for some common DIVs, but that's all. JavaScript is 
used extensively to cope with server-side restrictions.


The site is built through SVN commits. You can checkout the site (a few 
GBytes) with

$ svn co https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/
As for building it locally, it uses an ASF (Apache Software Foundation) 
thing that is known as "the CMS" but has little to do with any CMS you 
would consider.


CSS: We are not using any CSS frameworks at the moment; not even JS 
frameworks despite the quite active use of JavaScript. Adopting one, 
though, wouldn't be an obstacle, since the site is built from static 
content anyway (so one would either use SASS and "watch" the files with 
Compass, or compile the CSS in any other way before committing).


Are you prepared to work with this constraints? Then we'd love to get 
some help and we can continue the discussion! If you have expertise with 
more modern web systems, we could still use your help somehow, so don't 
be scared in case.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Ready to setup release build machines?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 29/08/2016 Kay Schenk wrote:

​Thanks for all this work. I suggest trying builds on /trunk and I would
bet the Perl problems go away. The new Java downloader is super!


Seeing the situation, I would still prefer to be able to build 4.1.2 
correctly (which works now, but JUnit and Perl modules are not 
contemplated in the standard system and are thus not so clean).



P​lease let us know how we can further contribute to this effort.​


I've added my notes to a new section of the "Building on different 
environments" page:


https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#CentOS_5

Ideally, this would become a semi-scriptable recipe for preparing a 
"standard" CentOS 5 VM for building OpenOffice releases, at least for 
the 4.1.x series (it may also work for trunk, obviously, but repeating 
4.1.2 is the best exercise we can do).


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Help Wanted

[Eric Bastarache]

To whom it may concern,
My name is Eric Bastarache and I have experience in both web design and 
development, and I am interested in contributing to improving the look of the 
website(s) for OpenOffice. I was hoping I could help contribute with web 
design/development and possibly with helping existing users. 

  

Re: Help needed: Build error in bean and vcl

[Marcus]

Thanks a lot. "libXt-devel" was indeed not installed.

But now it's breaking in svx:

[...]

=
Building module svx
=

Entering /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/svx/prj

cd .. && make -s -r -j1   && make -s -r deliverlog
[ build LNK ] Library/libsvxcore.so
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/svx/source/fmcomp/fmgridif.o:
In function
`FmXGridControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference
const&)':
fmgridif.cxx:(.text+0x68b2): undefined reference to `non-virtual thunk to
WindowListenerMultiplexer::acquire()'
/usr/bin/ld:
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/svx/source/fmcomp/fmgridif.o:
relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol
`_ZThn48_N25WindowListenerMultiplexer7acquireEv' can not be used when
making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:248: recipe for
target
'/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libsvxcore.so'
failed
make: ***
[/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libsvxcore.so]
Error 1
dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'

1 module(s):
svx
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/svx/prj

When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by
running:

build --from svx


Thanks

Marcus



Am 09/04/2016 07:55 PM, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

X11/StringDefs.h is provided by the libxt-dev package on Ubuntu.

Regards
Damjan

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Marcus  wrote:


I've managed to start my first build of trunk. After some hours of reading
building guides and installing/configuring prerequisites, it starts now but
quits with an error.

Hardware / software:
- Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5 GHz (4 cores)
- 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD
- Fedora 21

Configure options:
$ ./configure
--with-dmake-url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.
mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
--with-epm-url=https://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
--disable-odk
--disable-gconf
--disable-gnome-vfs
--disable-mozilla
--disable-odk
--disable-gtk
--with-package-format="installed"

Build command:
$ build -P4 -- -P4

Log:

There are many hints about:
fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
  #include

But I don't know which X11 package is maybe missing as I've installed many
incl. devel packages.

The full build log is here [1]. The following is an excerpt of the last
lines:

[...]

wizards deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'wizards' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 1 files unchanged
In file included from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
cl/inc/unx/svunx.h:27:0,
  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svsys.h:26,
  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/svsys.h:34,
  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
cl/source/window/window.cxx:58:
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/too
ls/prex.h:45:28: fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
  #include
 ^
compilation terminated.
In file included from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
cl/inc/unx/svunx.h:27:0,
  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svsys.h:26,
  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/svsys.h:34,
  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
cl/source/window/wrkwin.cxx:33:
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/too
ls/prex.h:45:28: fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
  #include
 ^
compilation terminated.
make: *** No rule to make target '/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/
unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/vcl/source/app/svapp.o', needed by
'/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdi
r/LinkTarget/Library/libvcl.so'.  Stop.
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'

2 module(s):
 bean
 vcl
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/b
ean/native/unix
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
cl/prj

When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by
running:

 build --from bean vcl



[1] http://people.apache.org/~marcus/build_error_log.txt

Thanks in advance for your help.

Marcus


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Re: Help needed: Build error in bean and vcl

[Damjan Jovanovic]

X11/StringDefs.h is provided by the libxt-dev package on Ubuntu.

Regards
Damjan

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Marcus  wrote:

> I've managed to start my first build of trunk. After some hours of reading
> building guides and installing/configuring prerequisites, it starts now but
> quits with an error.
>
> Hardware / software:
> - Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5 GHz (4 cores)
> - 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD
> - Fedora 21
>
> Configure options:
> $ ./configure
> --with-dmake-url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.
> mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
> --with-epm-url=https://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
> --disable-odk
> --disable-gconf
> --disable-gnome-vfs
> --disable-mozilla
> --disable-odk
> --disable-gtk
> --with-package-format="installed"
>
> Build command:
> $ build -P4 -- -P4
>
> Log:
>
> There are many hints about:
> fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
>  #include 
>
> But I don't know which X11 package is maybe missing as I've installed many
> incl. devel packages.
>
> The full build log is here [1]. The following is an excerpt of the last
> lines:
>
> [...]
>
> wizards deliver
> deliver -- version: 275594
> Module 'wizards' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 1 files unchanged
> In file included from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
> cl/inc/unx/svunx.h:27:0,
>  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svsys.h:26,
>  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/svsys.h:34,
>  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
> cl/source/window/window.cxx:58:
> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/too
> ls/prex.h:45:28: fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
>  #include 
> ^
> compilation terminated.
> In file included from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
> cl/inc/unx/svunx.h:27:0,
>  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svsys.h:26,
>  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/svsys.h:34,
>  from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
> cl/source/window/wrkwin.cxx:33:
> /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/too
> ls/prex.h:45:28: fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
>  #include 
> ^
> compilation terminated.
> make: *** No rule to make target '/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/
> unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/vcl/source/app/svapp.o', needed by
> '/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdi
> r/LinkTarget/Library/libvcl.so'.  Stop.
> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
> dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'
>
> 2 module(s):
> bean
> vcl
> need(s) to be rebuilt
>
> Reason(s):
>
> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/b
> ean/native/unix
> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/v
> cl/prj
>
> When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by
> running:
>
> build --from bean vcl
>
>
>
> [1] http://people.apache.org/~marcus/build_error_log.txt
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Help needed: Build error in bean and vcl

[Marcus]

I've managed to start my first build of trunk. After some hours of 
reading building guides and installing/configuring prerequisites, it 
starts now but quits with an error.


Hardware / software:
- Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5 GHz (4 cores)
- 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD
- Fedora 21

Configure options:
$ ./configure
--with-dmake-url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
--with-epm-url=https://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
--disable-odk
--disable-gconf
--disable-gnome-vfs
--disable-mozilla
--disable-odk
--disable-gtk
--with-package-format="installed"

Build command:
$ build -P4 -- -P4

Log:

There are many hints about:
fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory
 #include 

But I don't know which X11 package is maybe missing as I've installed 
many incl. devel packages.


The full build log is here [1]. The following is an excerpt of the last 
lines:


[...]

wizards deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'wizards' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 1 files unchanged
In file included from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svunx.h:27:0,
 from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svsys.h:26,
 from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/svsys.h:34,
 from 
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/window/window.cxx:58:
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/tools/prex.h:45:28: 
fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory

 #include 
^
compilation terminated.
In file included from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svunx.h:27:0,
 from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/unx/svsys.h:26,
 from /share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/inc/svsys.h:34,
 from 
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/source/window/wrkwin.cxx:33:
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/inc/tools/prex.h:45:28: 
fatal error: X11/StringDefs.h: No such file or directory

 #include 
^
compilation terminated.
make: *** No rule to make target 
'/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/CxxObject/vcl/source/app/svapp.o', 
needed by 
'/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/solver/420/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/LinkTarget/Library/libvcl.so'. 
 Stop.

make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'

2 module(s):
bean
vcl
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/bean/native/unix
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
/share/linux2/aoo/trunk/main/vcl/prj


When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build 
by running:


build --from bean vcl



[1] http://people.apache.org/~marcus/build_error_log.txt

Thanks in advance for your help.

Marcus


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Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Marcus]

Am 09/04/2016 06:43 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:




-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 02:09
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

Am 09/04/2016 01:40 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:




-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:18
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?




-Original Message-
From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 09:26
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[ ... ]

Something we can easily do already [as well], and we have not acted

on

it, is add the ASF Help Wanted widget in a number of places.  We can
then populate the database the Widget uses with specific requests for
assistance on Apache OpenOffice.  The benefit is that (1) these can

be

focused tasks, (2) the Help Wanted will also be visible in other

places

among the Help Wanted from other projects, and (3) the Help Wanted

item

provides enough properties about skill requirements and nature of the
task, as well as a link to details that help the interested volunteer
find details enough to decide how to contribute.

Addition of the help-wanted widget can be done immediately.

I have another promised activity for this US Holiday weekend, but I

will

dig into that too.

[orcmid]

I figured out how to add the widget to the orange box on the Download

page.  It does not fit will with that.

you don't need to figure this out on your own. You can ask me how it
works. It would be much faster and more efficient. ;-)


I think it is best to have the AOO Help Wanted Widget on a page of its

own.

The widget points already to a webpage to its own [1]. We just need a
point to this webpage and the text on the download page fits good for
this purpose. We could add this on the main webpage, too.

Of course we can also think about changes to the "get-involved" webpage
[1] to hightlight better the need for more devs.


It could be linked to by other pages, where its list of help-wanted

tasks can be lengthy.


I am going to stop looking into that for now.


Sure, the idea behind the text can be changed how it should work or act
to have a different effect. However, why do you think it is not working
like it is now? Any points to reasons?

[1] http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html


[orcmid]

I wanted to train myself and one way is to look at the code.  It helped me 
understand the way that the localization is handled in the .js JavaScripts that 
the web site depends so much on.  I wanted to discern the principles and then 
keep faith with them.

  1. With regard to the widget, I was able to add it to the Orange "Help 
Wanted" block on a test version of the English/default download page (the only page 
that has it on the live site).  The reason that I did not propose it is the widget does 
not look good that way.  A better widget using the current source of the data would be 
needed.  That becomes a more-involved dev-community activity and I was not prepared to go 
there.  Also, help-wanted widget is still experimental and we might run into maintenance 
issues as there is more development of the widget.

  2. The current widget (obtained from http://helpwanted.apache.org) can be customized to show just 
"openoffice" items.  I added one to confirm that works.  However, it appears that the 
widget does the equivalent of "show me everything" which is why it should be on a 
separate page.  The list could become rather long.

We could also have a page that works more like the helpwanted.apache.org page, 
but about Apache openoffice only, adding a link to the helpwanted.a.o for folks 
who want to know about helpwanted-tasks for all ASF projects.  Before we do any 
of that, we need to populate helpwanted.a.o with more OpenOffice tasks.

  3. I did look at putting something on the 
current  page.

Although it is right there in the link, I kept looking for it on openoffice.org.  My error.  That 
explains why ooo-site does not have any get-involved/participate page with the "Diese Seite in 
Deutsch" line and the sentence " Although many are content to make a small donation to 
support Apache OpenOffice and the Apache Software Foundation (we appreciate every contribution), 
some users want to get more involved and volunteer their time and expertise with the project."

Is this a hack on  to break out of the localization model and link 
"I want to participate in OpenOffice" to what we call the project 
site,?


I don't understand your question. This exists since, hm, I don't know 
when, maybe ever.


It also creates a special island where certain kinds of task are 
recruited from the German Language 

RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 02:09
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?
> 
> Am 09/04/2016 01:40 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:18
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 09:26
> >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?
> > [ ... ]
> >> Something we can easily do already [as well], and we have not acted
> on
> >> it, is add the ASF Help Wanted widget in a number of places.  We can
> >> then populate the database the Widget uses with specific requests for
> >> assistance on Apache OpenOffice.  The benefit is that (1) these can
> be
> >> focused tasks, (2) the Help Wanted will also be visible in other
> places
> >> among the Help Wanted from other projects, and (3) the Help Wanted
> item
> >> provides enough properties about skill requirements and nature of the
> >> task, as well as a link to details that help the interested volunteer
> >> find details enough to decide how to contribute.
> >>
> >> Addition of the help-wanted widget can be done immediately.
> >>
> >> I have another promised activity for this US Holiday weekend, but I
> will
> >> dig into that too.
> > [orcmid]
> >
> > I figured out how to add the widget to the orange box on the Download
> page.  It does not fit will with that.
> 
> you don't need to figure this out on your own. You can ask me how it
> works. It would be much faster and more efficient. ;-)
> 
> > I think it is best to have the AOO Help Wanted Widget on a page of its
> own.
> 
> The widget points already to a webpage to its own [1]. We just need a
> point to this webpage and the text on the download page fits good for
> this purpose. We could add this on the main webpage, too.
> 
> Of course we can also think about changes to the "get-involved" webpage
> [1] to hightlight better the need for more devs.
> 
> > It could be linked to by other pages, where its list of help-wanted
> tasks can be lengthy.
> >
> > I am going to stop looking into that for now.
> 
> Sure, the idea behind the text can be changed how it should work or act
> to have a different effect. However, why do you think it is not working
> like it is now? Any points to reasons?
> 
> [1] http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html
> 
[orcmid] 

I wanted to train myself and one way is to look at the code.  It helped me 
understand the way that the localization is handled in the .js JavaScripts that 
the web site depends so much on.  I wanted to discern the principles and then 
keep faith with them.

 1. With regard to the widget, I was able to add it to the Orange "Help Wanted" 
block on a test version of the English/default download page (the only page 
that has it on the live site).  The reason that I did not propose it is the 
widget does not look good that way.  A better widget using the current source 
of the data would be needed.  That becomes a more-involved dev-community 
activity and I was not prepared to go there.  Also, help-wanted widget is still 
experimental and we might run into maintenance issues as there is more 
development of the widget.

 2. The current widget (obtained from http://helpwanted.apache.org) can be 
customized to show just "openoffice" items.  I added one to confirm that works. 
 However, it appears that the widget does the equivalent of "show me 
everything" which is why it should be on a separate page.  The list could 
become rather long.  

We could also have a page that works more like the helpwanted.apache.org page, 
but about Apache openoffice only, adding a link to the helpwanted.a.o for folks 
who want to know about helpwanted-tasks for all ASF projects.  Before we do any 
of that, we need to populate helpwanted.a.o with more OpenOffice tasks.

 3. I did look at putting something on the current 
 page.

Although it is right there in the link, I kept looking for it on 
openoffice.org.  My error.  That explains why ooo-site does not have any 
get-involved/participate page with the "Diese Seite in Deutsch" line and the 
sentence " Although many are content to make a small donation to support Apache 
OpenOffice and the Apache Software Foundation (we appreciate every 
contribution), some users want to get more involved and volunteer their time 
and expertise with the project."  

Is this a hack on  to break out of the localization 
model and link "I want to participate in OpenOffice" to what we call the 
project site, ?  It also creates a special 

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Xen]

Marcus schreef op 04-09-2016 11:09:


you don't need to figure this out on your own. You can ask me how it
works. It would be much faster and more efficient. ;-)


How common is not that experience ;-).

For some reason in Linux (or in general) we assume or we are given 
reasons to believe that people will not answer our calls when we ask for 
help, and we do ask for help (often in frustration) people send us into 
the woods or say that we need to find the answer on our own (for 
instance by reading help pages better) and so we assume and regret the 
fact that it is unlikely a question will simply be answered.


So we plough on in despair and work hard to find the answer that someone 
else already has (but sometimes refuses to give ;-)). And then when 
someone says "you can just ask" we are flabbergasted because most of the 
time we are told the opposite


How strange a gesture of friendliness in this world.

How strange a gesture of friendliness.


But I suggest you do not focus solely on acquiring more volunteers or 
workers or developers.


What you need is to put forth a vision that will attract those people. 
Do not try to attract them yourself, let the vision attract them.


After all, you seek to inspire those people right? Inspiration is like 
the opposite of transpiration: it gives energy. Maybe it is the opposite 
of expiration you don't want the project to expire, so you need to 
inspire people.


I mean, start by positioning Apache OpenOffice in a way that gives it 
new life.


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Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Jim Jagielski]

We still need PackageMaker, from what I can tell, which is
really, really deprecated. Has anyone tried porting that
function to Packages or OSX's own pkgbuild?

But yes, I do have PackageMaker installed and worked around
the hardcoded path in configure... Why it does a strings on epm
and looks for a hardcoded path is beyond me. :)

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 05:20:08PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> I had an issue w/ epm and PackageMaker, which is hardcoded in
>> configure to live in /Developer/ Also some other nits...
> 
> For epm you have two options:
> 
> - use --with-epm-url pointing to a tarball
> 
> - build you own epm based on that very same version and
>  with AOO patches applied, then use --with-epm
> 
> 
> These are my configure options:
> 
> ./configure \
> --with-build-version="$(date +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S (%a, %d %b %Y)")" \
> --enable-verbose \
> --enable-crashdump=yes  \
> --enable-wiki-publisher  \
> --with-dmake-url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
>  \
> --with-epm-url=http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz \
> --enable-category-b \
> --enable-bundled-dictionaries \
> --with-package-format="installed dmg" \
> --with-jdk-home=/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_80.jdk/Contents/Home
>  \
> --with-ant-home=$HOME/aoo/build/apache-ant-1.9.7 \
> --with-perl-home=/usr/local/ActivePerl-5.24 \
> --disable-systray \
> --without-junit
> 
> My OS X El Capitan is a clean environment, no marcports nor homebrew,
> thus no headers in /usr/local nor /opt nor elsewhere (this is needed in
> order to reproduce the missing OpenSSL system headers bug). I don't even
> update nor install Perl modules, I just installed Perl from ActivePerl,
> that comes with everything out of the box.
> 
> 
> Regards
> -- 
> Ariel Constenla-Haile


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Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Marcus]

Am 09/04/2016 01:40 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:




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From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 10:18
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?




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From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 09:26
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[ ... ]

I would like to see every possible medium used to present one message:
"AOO is at serious risk of dying, unless we get more volunteer
developers, especially C++ programmers."

I know we need other skills as well, but I don't want to dilute or
complicate that message.

I would like a special mailing list recruitm...@openoffice.apache.org,
just for signing up and organizing new developers. No need for them to
start with dev@, especially the less experienced developers. Just send
an e-mail to recruitment@

[orcmid]

We can, of course, add a mailing list.  That does mean we need
moderators and we also need someone to watch the list and figure out
what to do with the offers.

Something we can easily do already [as well], and we have not acted on
it, is add the ASF Help Wanted widget in a number of places.  We can
then populate the database the Widget uses with specific requests for
assistance on Apache OpenOffice.  The benefit is that (1) these can be
focused tasks, (2) the Help Wanted will also be visible in other places
among the Help Wanted from other projects, and (3) the Help Wanted item
provides enough properties about skill requirements and nature of the
task, as well as a link to details that help the interested volunteer
find details enough to decide how to contribute.

Addition of the help-wanted widget can be done immediately.

I have another promised activity for this US Holiday weekend, but I will
dig into that too.

[orcmid]

I figured out how to add the widget to the orange box on the Download page.  It 
does not fit will with that.


you don't need to figure this out on your own. You can ask me how it 
works. It would be much faster and more efficient. ;-)



I think it is best to have the AOO Help Wanted Widget on a page of its own.


The widget points already to a webpage to its own [1]. We just need a 
point to this webpage and the text on the download page fits good for 
this purpose. We could add this on the main webpage, too.


Of course we can also think about changes to the "get-involved" webpage 
[1] to hightlight better the need for more devs.



It could be linked to by other pages, where its list of help-wanted tasks can 
be lengthy.

I am going to stop looking into that for now.


Sure, the idea behind the text can be changed how it should work or act 
to have a different effect. However, why do you think it is not working 
like it is now? Any points to reasons?


[1] http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html

Marcus


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