Re: 4.1.4 Release Manager?

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Kovacs 
Hmm, does anyone know an artist that has some time and can draw a splash 
screen?
I would love to see the next edition Called 4.1.3 Phoenix addition, And 
I would love to see a Splashscreen that shows an Phönix carry the AOOo 
Logo upward.
That would make a statement. Actually thinking of it, if this is liked 
by the community I would pledge 50 Euro for an acceptable artwork (means 
liked by AOOo. If this is dev or all involved we could discuss.).

Haha.

for the followup release I would stay with 4.2.0 as the /life, the 
universe and everything Version of OOo. I actually like that too much./


5.0.0 I would like to have for something moonshot like. I have fear you 
will hate me for what I have in mind, because this is a meocratic 
Project, and stuff. I did not came around yet to read what Jörg send me 
for reading to understand you guys more. Hope I manage later to day.
But I would call the 5.0.0 Version Sun. Which is also a great Wordgame 
for something that has been moonshoted and if you look at the history of 
OO. As Splash I would suggest the Logo with a sun corona.
This would be so super cool. I would also pledge some money here for 
an artist, if the Community agrees. Haha!




On 16.09.2016 20:11, Marcus wrote:

Am 09/16/2016 02:07 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com]



Any real reason to name it 4.2.0 ?


Two years of miscellaneous changes and fixes, a radically

improved build system, unit tests at build time, updates of a
lot of libraries, support for new languages, new
translations, new dictionaries... if this is not 4.2.0 it
should be named 5.0.




That was kind of my thoughts... or maybe call it 4.5.0

The idea is to represent the "re-charged" AOO project with
a meaningful change in version.


OK, an idea which I understand.

But one could, in this context, not to think about a completely 
different way of

naming?

(a)
What if we took us Ubuntu as an example?

Ubuntu 4.16 is called "Xenial Xerus" and AOO 4.2 or 4.5 or 5.0 (and 
so on) might

be called "Lively Phoenix"? (just an example)


as an addition to the numbering schema this could work. Then we can 
give the release a special touch/meaning/expression or whatever is 
best for the respective release time frame.



(b)
Or you choose a more formal type of label them.
OK, "AOO XP" would probably not so great, but what would be, for 
example, with

"AOO NE" (for new experience)?


From the view point of a normal user I find it confusing as there is 
no comparsion pattern and you don't know what was first and was next.


I think that the reason that Microsoft has come back to numbers for 
the versioning schema. I don't see any need to go their way, make the 
same experience and come back to the numbers.


So, please no version numbering with words/text only.

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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Kovacs 

On 17.09.2016 17:10, Xen wrote:


I had not known about it, so thank you.

I am not impressed with its looks, but they don't feature large size 
screenshots, so I don't know.
you are welcome. I was also not impressed. the last writing tool that 
impressed me was Scribus. However that tool is really bad with tables.

[...]
I don't know how much can be gained by simply using an alternative 
that is in essence, the same kind of program. I still won't have cloud 
access and will be far away from using something like Google Drive or 
OneDrive.

btw. have you tried dropbox?
they have an official Linux client.


Migrating to a non-prominent tool for me is never a very appealing 
thing. It's the same with computer games: there are a 100.000 of them 
but only a few that really appeal. The "no name" or "B-brand" computer 
games generally are not that interesting and I wonder why companies 
even *try*. If you do something, at least try to be the best, and 
don't just copy what another has done in the hopes of some success.


With computer games, this is often shown with the lack of creative story.
I recommend the documentary: indi games: the movie. Gives you an Idea on 
why people do wired things.

I believe Open Source as such has no Market interest. They exist as
long as someone has the Code. Development is not the main focus.


That almost sounds like it is just a storage place for projects, a 
dump place of sorts, where projects can retire ;-).

I am sure Oracle had the same thought. ;-)

All the best.
Peter


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RE: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton 


> -Original Message-
> From: Xen [mailto:l...@xenhideout.nl]
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:57
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or
> Die]
> 
> toki schreef op 17-09-2016 17:52:
> > On 17/09/2016 10:46, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> >
> >> (Maybe WPS is a good alternate to you then. I read in the german
> Linux
> >
> > Why would a program whose developers, in the name of destroying the
> > user
> > experience, removed features, functionalities, and capabilities. The
> > only user case in which that is a virtue, is one in which the user has
> > no qualms about not being able to open documents created with the
> > software.
> 
> After reading some threads on a Dutch review site I can't say I have
> really seen any positive reviews or remarks about WPS. Most of that came
> down to ill compatibility with MS products. I am sure it works fine on
> its own but also cannot save or open(?) in ODT.
> 
> I'm not sure if it is still based on OpenOffice?
[orcmid] 

Current versions of WPS do not support ODF Formats.  Only Microsoft Office 
formats are supported, beside the native .wps format.

The Windows version uses Qt and while one might see similarities in the GUI, I 
don't think there is any meaningful connection with OpenOffice. The "native" 
.wps format does not use a Zip package.  LibreOffice opens it though.  It is in 
the Microsoft DocFile format and could be a flavor of .doc.

Also, the software installs in AppData\Local\Kingsoft\WPS Office\ (on Windows 
10).

It all appears very smooth.  I have no idea about the quality of Microsoft 
format support, including OOXML.


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Re: Building 4.1.3: Error with dmake and further packages

2016-09-17 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile 
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:57:10PM +0200, Marcus wrote:
> it breaks again at the same place:
> 
> ...
> 
> [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/libxcr.so not defined: Assuming headers to
> be there!
> R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro &&
> W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/ExternalHeaders/Library/ && touch
> $W/ExternalHeaders/Library/libxcr.so && mkdir -p $W/LinkTarget/pdb/Library/
> R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro &&
> W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/Headers/Library/ && touch
> $W/Headers/Library/libxcr.so
> R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro &&
> W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/ExternalHeaders/Library/ && touch
> $W/ExternalHeaders/Library/libsvx.so && mkdir -p $W/LinkTarget/pdb/Library/
> R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro &&
> W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/Headers/Library/ && touch
> $W/Headers/Library/libsvx.so
> [ build DEP ] LNK:Library/libsvx.so
> R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro &&
> W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/Dep/LinkTarget/Library/ &&
> RESPONSEFILE=/tmp/gbuild.ViuwkU && cat ${RESPONSEFILE} /dev/null | xargs -n
> 200 cat > $W/Dep/LinkTarget/Library/libsvx.so.d && rm -f ${RESPONSEFILE}
> /share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:163: *** Unable to
> find generated C++ file 
> /share/linux2/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/svx/source/sdr/attribute/sdrallfillattributeshelper.cxx

main/svx/source/sdr/attribute/sdrallfillattributeshelper.cxx
main/svx/inc/svx/sdr/attribute/sdrallfillattributeshelper.hxx

where introduced in revision 1599233 and are only part of trunk, not
branch AOO41*. How did you get the AOO413 source? 


Regards
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Re: Building 4.1.3: Error with dmake and further packages

2016-09-17 Thread Marcus 

Am 09/17/2016 10:29 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 09/17/2016 08:55 PM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile:


On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:51:08PM +0200, Marcus wrote:

Hi all,

I want to build the current 4.1.3 source.

Therefore I've checked out today the new AOO413 branch (incl. Ariels
last
commit r1761157 !).

Configure was successful but bootstrap throws an error:



download from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2

failed
download failed
making and entering
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/
can not find the dmake package



It doesn't matter if it's a HTTP or HTTPS URL.


It matters, sourceforge is redirecting all HTTP to HTTPS.


I can workaround this by using the dmake binary built in trunk with the
"--with-dmake-path" option. Then I can build until errors in these
modules:

more_fonts (which are the dejavu fonts), libxml2, expat, curl

Looking at the errors it seems that the 4 package files cannot be
build as
they were not downloaded.

I think the downloading of external libraries/dependencis isn't
working like
for trunk. Any reason for the difference?


There have been some changes in the code that hasn't been cherrypicked,
I'd try to merge those changes and test.


Needless to say that with trunk I don't have this problem. ;-)

Any hint for root cause and solution?


You might be missing some perl modules that enable HTTPS, the configure
on branch AOO413 does not fail if those are not installed. Check if you
have the following modules:

perl-Archive-Zip
perl-XML-Parser
perl-Digest-SHA
perl-Digest-MD5
perl-Crypt-SSLeay
perl-libwww-perl
perl-LWP-Protocol-https


Right, these are not installed.


Do not install modules using CPAN, use the packagemanager, yum or dnf on
newer Fedora. For example:

dnf info perl-Crypt-SSLeay
yum info perl-Crypt-SSLeay


Done


If the packages do not exist with this names, use the perl module path
to find out which package provides it:

dnf whatprovides */Crypt/SSLeay.pm
yum whatprovides */Crypt/SSLeay.pm

I opened two tasks:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127119
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127120


That would be great if it could be committed to the AOO413 branch.

Thanks a lot for your help. I now can build much further until svx. Here
a precompiled CXX file is not found. I'll cleanup everything and start
the build again.


it breaks again at the same place:

...

[ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/libxcr.so not defined: Assuming headers 
to be there!
R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro && 
W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/ExternalHeaders/Library/ && touch 
$W/ExternalHeaders/Library/libxcr.so && mkdir -p $W/LinkTarget/pdb/Library/
R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro && 
W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/Headers/Library/ && touch 
$W/Headers/Library/libxcr.so
R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro && 
W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/ExternalHeaders/Library/ && touch 
$W/ExternalHeaders/Library/libsvx.so && mkdir -p $W/LinkTarget/pdb/Library/
R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro && 
W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/Headers/Library/ && touch 
$W/Headers/Library/libsvx.so

[ build DEP ] LNK:Library/libsvx.so
R=/share/linux2/AOO413 && S=$R/main && O=$S/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro && 
W=$O/workdir && mkdir -p $W/Dep/LinkTarget/Library/ && 
RESPONSEFILE=/tmp/gbuild.ViuwkU && cat ${RESPONSEFILE} /dev/null | xargs 
-n 200 cat > $W/Dep/LinkTarget/Library/libsvx.so.d && rm -f ${RESPONSEFILE}
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:163: *** Unable to 
find generated C++ file 
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/svx/source/sdr/attribute/sdrallfillattributeshelper.cxx 
in WORKDIR..  Stop.
rm 
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/ExternalHeaders/Library/libxcr.so

dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'

1 module(s):
svx
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /share/linux2/AOO413/main/svx/prj

When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build 
by running:


build --from svx



The file is indeed not existing:

/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/workdir/svx/source/sdr/attribute/sdrallfillattributeshelper.cxx

But also not this part of the mentioned path:

svx/source/sdr/attribute/sdrallfillattributeshelper.cxx

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Re: Building 4.1.3: Error with dmake and further packages

2016-09-17 Thread Marcus 

Am 09/17/2016 08:55 PM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile:


On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:51:08PM +0200, Marcus wrote:

Hi all,

I want to build the current 4.1.3 source.

Therefore I've checked out today the new AOO413 branch (incl. Ariels last
commit r1761157 !).

Configure was successful but bootstrap throws an error:



download from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
failed
 download failed
making and entering
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/
can not find the dmake package



It doesn't matter if it's a HTTP or HTTPS URL.


It matters, sourceforge is redirecting all HTTP to HTTPS.


I can workaround this by using the dmake binary built in trunk with the
"--with-dmake-path" option. Then I can build until errors in these modules:

more_fonts (which are the dejavu fonts), libxml2, expat, curl

Looking at the errors it seems that the 4 package files cannot be build as
they were not downloaded.

I think the downloading of external libraries/dependencis isn't working like
for trunk. Any reason for the difference?


There have been some changes in the code that hasn't been cherrypicked,
I'd try to merge those changes and test.


Needless to say that with trunk I don't have this problem. ;-)

Any hint for root cause and solution?


You might be missing some perl modules that enable HTTPS, the configure
on branch AOO413 does not fail if those are not installed. Check if you
have the following modules:

perl-Archive-Zip
perl-XML-Parser
perl-Digest-SHA
perl-Digest-MD5
perl-Crypt-SSLeay
perl-libwww-perl
perl-LWP-Protocol-https


Right, these are not installed.


Do not install modules using CPAN, use the packagemanager, yum or dnf on
newer Fedora. For example:

dnf info perl-Crypt-SSLeay
yum info perl-Crypt-SSLeay


Done


If the packages do not exist with this names, use the perl module path
to find out which package provides it:

dnf whatprovides */Crypt/SSLeay.pm
yum whatprovides */Crypt/SSLeay.pm

I opened two tasks:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127119
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127120


That would be great if it could be committed to the AOO413 branch.

Thanks a lot for your help. I now can build much further until svx. Here 
a precompiled CXX file is not found. I'll cleanup everything and start 
the build again.


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Issue 127119: configure does not check all Perl modules that are used at build
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Re: How do all the binaries get built?

2016-09-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 16/09/2016 Jim Jagielski wrote:

I'm in the process of bringing up a new CentOS5 system as we speak


Good news! The recipe on our MWiki

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#CentOS_5

is still incomplete (see the "Ready to setup release build machines?" 
thread). I'll make sure it is updated during the weekend, so we have a 
"standard recipe" to get the build dependencies that are not available 
on CentOS 5 through standard channels.


A CentOS 5 32-bit buildbot would be more useful than a 64-bit one, so 
that we can differentiate further (I already have the 64-bit one 
working, with a test run of builds coming this weekend).


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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Xen 

toki schreef op 17-09-2016 17:52:

On 17/09/2016 10:46, Peter Kovacs wrote:


(Maybe WPS is a good alternate to you then. I read in the german Linux


Why would a program whose developers, in the name of destroying the 
user

experience, removed features, functionalities, and capabilities. The
only user case in which that is a virtue, is one in which the user has
no qualms about not being able to open documents created with the 
software.


After reading some threads on a Dutch review site I can't say I have 
really seen any positive reviews or remarks about WPS. Most of that came 
down to ill compatibility with MS products. I am sure it works fine on 
its own but also cannot save or open(?) in ODT.


I'm not sure if it is still based on OpenOffice?

Seeing the number of changes they have made to their (international) 
versions and their name, I don't think they have a very consistent 
outlook on the thing. It seems rather 'spurious' or haphazard. Very 
successful in China apparently. And the Android app is apparently 
greatly recommended over any alternative (so for tablet use etc). Recent 
free versions should have less limitations (no watermark on printing) 
but may still not save in .docx format.


Personally I generally mistrust Chinese products. I have only once tried 
a Chinese email client, and it was not a good product.


I also hardly trust their "phone home" capabilities, but that aside.

I tend to want to filter Chinese products through Japanese or western 
agencies ;-).


Also never really happy with the cheap stuff I order from the cheap 
websites... it just feels dirty to me, except one time with some plugs.


So I don't really think WPS is a good alternative, but then I also don't 
really know what you mean here, Toki ;-).


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Consolidating all the build guides

2016-09-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 15/09/2016 John D'Orazio wrote:

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

I'm noticing that even in this page that is considered an official guide to
building, the epm module is downloaded from msweet.org and not from the
sourceforge oooextras mirror. Does it make any difference? Was it really
patched, or can it be downloaded just the same from the msweet.org url?


The thing we download is the official version (with the minor 
convenience that the OOoExtras copy is also available with an embedded 
MD5 hash in the filename, to validate the download). So the files are 
identical.


All patching occurs after download, using patches that are stored in our 
source tree.


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2016-09-17 Thread bugzilla 
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4.1.3_release_blocker:
Issue 127119: configure does not check all Perl modules that are used at build
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Re: Building 4.1.3: Error with dmake and further packages

2016-09-17 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile 
Hi Marcus,

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:51:08PM +0200, Marcus wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I want to build the current 4.1.3 source.
> 
> Therefore I've checked out today the new AOO413 branch (incl. Ariels last
> commit r1761157 !).
> 
> Configure was successful but bootstrap throws an error:
> 
> 
> 
> download from
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
> failed
> download failed
> making and entering
> /share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/
> can not find the dmake package
> 
> 
> 
> It doesn't matter if it's a HTTP or HTTPS URL.

It matters, sourceforge is redirecting all HTTP to HTTPS.

> I can workaround this by using the dmake binary built in trunk with the
> "--with-dmake-path" option. Then I can build until errors in these modules:
> 
> more_fonts (which are the dejavu fonts), libxml2, expat, curl
> 
> Looking at the errors it seems that the 4 package files cannot be build as
> they were not downloaded.
> 
> I think the downloading of external libraries/dependencis isn't working like
> for trunk. Any reason for the difference?

There have been some changes in the code that hasn't been cherrypicked,
I'd try to merge those changes and test.

> Needless to say that with trunk I don't have this problem. ;-)
> 
> Any hint for root cause and solution?

You might be missing some perl modules that enable HTTPS, the configure
on branch AOO413 does not fail if those are not installed. Check if you
have the following modules:

perl-Archive-Zip
perl-XML-Parser
perl-Digest-SHA
perl-Digest-MD5
perl-Crypt-SSLeay
perl-libwww-perl
perl-LWP-Protocol-https

Do not install modules using CPAN, use the packagemanager, yum or dnf on
newer Fedora. For example:

dnf info perl-Crypt-SSLeay
yum info perl-Crypt-SSLeay

If the packages do not exist with this names, use the perl module path
to find out which package provides it:

dnf whatprovides */Crypt/SSLeay.pm
yum whatprovides */Crypt/SSLeay.pm

I opened two tasks:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127119
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127120


Regards
-- 
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4.1.3_release_blocker requested: [Issue 127120] Update code for downloading dependencies

2016-09-17 Thread bugzilla 
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4.1.3_release_blocker:
Issue 127120: Update code for downloading dependencies
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--- Description ---
trunk has some changes in the scripts to download dependencies that should be
cherrypicked on branch AOO413 from

trunk/main/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl

There is no need to apply the Java downloader changes,
trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/ExtensionsLst.pm can be changed to use older Perl
API so that it works on systems with an older Perl, like CentOS 5

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Re: Building 4.1.3: Error with dmake and further packages

2016-09-17 Thread Marcus 
I've tried the whole afternoon. I cannot get bootstrap to downlaod the 
external libraries that are missing. When doing this manually with wget 
then it's no problem. So, Sourceforge has them but they cannot be 
downloaded when the build is prepared.


Marcus



Am 09/17/2016 12:51 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Hi all,

I want to build the current 4.1.3 source.

Therefore I've checked out today the new AOO413 branch (incl. Ariels
last commit r1761157 !).

Configure was successful but bootstrap throws an error:



download from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2 failed

download failed
making and entering
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/
can not find the dmake package



It doesn't matter if it's a HTTP or HTTPS URL.

I can workaround this by using the dmake binary built in trunk with the
"--with-dmake-path" option. Then I can build until errors in these modules:

more_fonts (which are the dejavu fonts), libxml2, expat, curl

Looking at the errors it seems that the 4 package files cannot be build
as they were not downloaded.

I think the downloading of external libraries/dependencis isn't working
like for trunk. Any reason for the difference?

Needless to say that with trunk I don't have this problem. ;-)

Any hint for root cause and solution?

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread toki 
On 17/09/2016 10:46, Peter Kovacs wrote:

> (Maybe WPS is a good alternate to you then. I read in the german Linux

Why would a program whose developers, in the name of destroying the user
experience, removed features, functionalities, and capabilities. The
only user case in which that is a virtue, is one in which the user has
no qualms about not being able to open documents created with the software.

jonathon

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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Xen 

Peter Kovacs schreef op 17-09-2016 12:46:

Hello


I have a question.

I dont know the Open Document Foundation. But maybe they work on it. I
mean they forked from Oracle OpenOffice because they were frustrated
that the errors were not fixed.

I personly do not know, but I would not be surprised if Apache
Foundation as the successor to Oracle has not has such structures. I
think classic way is within Apaches Foundation that they cooperate
with one or more  interst groups (free devlopers, communities,
cooperations / Companies) that has an interest in development of the
Product. With this method different Companies can cooperate in order
to achieve their individual goals and save money with synergy. Can
someone maybe enlight this point? Am I right?

So the question is which Structures does Apache Open Office offers to 
users?



Xen are you willing to pay a sum in order to get a fullfillment of
your needs? - Or is it more important to you that the feature you need
already exist?

(Maybe WPS is a good alternate to you then. I read in the german Linux
magazin (I think latest edition) that they are pretty stable and quite
good on working with docx.)


I had not known about it, so thank you.

I am not impressed with its looks, but they don't feature large size 
screenshots, so I don't know.


I hesitate to go to completely new solutions particularly if it means 
abandoning what I am already familiar with and also if it is not 
actually a new type of solution, but really more of the same. Something 
like Google Docs is, of course, inspiring. I am also a developer.


I don't know how much can be gained by simply using an alternative that 
is in essence, the same kind of program. I still won't have cloud access 
and will be far away from using something like Google Drive or OneDrive.


At least on Linux, and even though on Windows these things are obviously 
much easier


I don't want to bitch here but Windows usage is not very possible for me 
just yet. Having stuff in the Cloud is even a form of data security for 
me. I have little to hide at this point and just having secure data (not 
losing it) is more important than any thoughts of "oh google".


Migrating to a non-prominent tool for me is never a very appealing 
thing. It's the same with computer games: there are a 100.000 of them 
but only a few that really appeal. The "no name" or "B-brand" computer 
games generally are not that interesting and I wonder why companies even 
*try*. If you do something, at least try to be the best, and don't just 
copy what another has done in the hopes of some success.


With computer games, this is often shown with the lack of creative 
story.





I believe Open Source as such has no Market interest. They exist as
long as someone has the Code. Development is not the main focus.


That almost sounds like it is just a storage place for projects, a dump 
place of sorts, where projects can retire ;-).


I realize what I say could be visionary or "different" or challenging or 
odd or weird or non-functional.


It is just that I approach it as a developer with a bit of an 
entrepeneurial mind. I see the potential for something, you just have to 
believe in it. Not saying I can do it, but if people would be inspired 
with the same, I would not be the last to be interested to join in on 
that.


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Re: More Buildbot Information

2016-09-17 Thread Jim Jagielski 
Most excellent. Thx!!

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Gavin McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> For those wanting to follow along or assist in the ASF hosted Buildbot 
> builds, I created a 
> new wiki page with some info about the builds and their hosts, how to update, 
> trigger builds etc.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Buildbot+info
> 
> My work on migrating builds from old to new slaves is complete.
> 
> Project debs should check for failed builds. (Most are passing currently)
> 
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More Buildbot Information

2016-09-17 Thread Gavin McDonald 
Hi All,

For those wanting to follow along or assist in the ASF hosted Buildbot builds, 
I created a 
new wiki page with some info about the builds and their hosts, how to update, 
trigger builds etc.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Buildbot+info

My work on migrating builds from old to new slaves is complete.

Project debs should check for failed builds. (Most are passing currently)

Gav…


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Tools for building and checking a release candidate

2016-09-17 Thread Patricia Shanahan 
Are there any tools to help put together an AOO release? If so, where 
are they?


In particular, the binaries for each language for e.g. Windows will 
result from a build in a Windows environment. The release candidate 
groups the binaries by language, a transposition of the build matrix.


Each binary needs to be signed, presumably by the person building it.

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Building 4.1.3: Error with dmake and further packages

2016-09-17 Thread Marcus 

Hi all,

I want to build the current 4.1.3 source.

Therefore I've checked out today the new AOO413 branch (incl. Ariels 
last commit r1761157 !).


Configure was successful but bootstrap throws an error:



download from 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2 failed

download failed
making and entering 
/share/linux2/AOO413/main/solenv/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/

can not find the dmake package



It doesn't matter if it's a HTTP or HTTPS URL.

I can workaround this by using the dmake binary built in trunk with the 
"--with-dmake-path" option. Then I can build until errors in these modules:


more_fonts (which are the dejavu fonts), libxml2, expat, curl

Looking at the errors it seems that the 4 package files cannot be build 
as they were not downloaded.


I think the downloading of external libraries/dependencis isn't working 
like for trunk. Any reason for the difference?


Needless to say that with trunk I don't have this problem. ;-)

Any hint for root cause and solution?

Thanks

Marcus

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Re: Become the IMAP client for documents [Re: Differentiate or Die]

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Kovacs 

Hello


I have a question.

I dont know the Open Document Foundation. But maybe they work on it. I 
mean they forked from Oracle OpenOffice because they were frustrated 
that the errors were not fixed.


I personly do not know, but I would not be surprised if Apache 
Foundation as the successor to Oracle has not has such structures. I 
think classic way is within Apaches Foundation that they cooperate with 
one or more  interst groups (free devlopers, communities, cooperations / 
Companies) that has an interest in development of the Product. With this 
method different Companies can cooperate in order to achieve their 
individual goals and save money with synergy. Can someone maybe enlight 
this point? Am I right?


So the question is which Structures does Apache Open Office offers to 
users?



Xen are you willing to pay a sum in order to get a fullfillment of your 
needs? - Or is it more important to you that the feature you need 
already exist?


(Maybe WPS is a good alternate to you then. I read in the german Linux 
magazin (I think latest edition) that they are pretty stable and quite 
good on working with docx.)



I believe Open Source as such has no Market interest. They exist as long 
as someone has the Code. Development is not the main focus.


All the best.

Peter

On 16.09.2016 13:40, Xen wrote:

Phillip Rhodes schreef op 08-09-2016 22:18:

So anyway, just wanted to seed this discussion and hopefully provoke 
some
serious thinking around this.  Let's think hard about what we want to 
be so

that
we can easily say "Why develop/use AOO instead of X?" type questions.


I just wanted to take this opportunity to voice my ideas again ;-).

I will keep it short this time.

I am a user who is disgrunted by both the features and stability of 
LibreOffice and probably also OpenOffice, since many features are the 
same. One important feature for me is a GOOD undo facility and both 
products don't have it, because they don't store, or merge, block 
level undo's resulting from typing. In mostly any editor I can go 
infinitely into the past as I undo stuff but in OO and LO it is 
limited to a few sentences at most.


Last time this happened I swore to never use LO again and started 
using Google Docs.


The only reason I am not using Microsoft Office (365) now is that 
there is no Linux variant of it.


Given these flaws and failings for me (and sometimes LO just crashes 
and takes your work with you and it is unrecoverable) and given the 
fact that I think OO looks outdated (on Linux), I would have ventured 
in the past that these were the most important things for me:


* I do not want to be exclusively dependent on the ODT format editors 
anymore
- In Windows I have much better fonts available (or more of them) than 
in Linux
- Even Google Docs just has much better fonts than Linux and it even 
has the Linux fonts, so there you ahve that.


* I would like AOO (or anything) to be a glue between the platforms. 
Cloud is becoming very important or is already so. Being able to 
reference documents on Google Drive can be important. Being able to 
reference documents on Microsoft OneDrive can be important.


- Google Docs natively saves.. or ehm, downloads, documents in .docx, 
but can also process .odt, I believe. So in order to stay relevant you 
must focus, for instance, on perfect interoperability between AOO and 
the .docx that result from Google Docs.


- Since there is no Microsoft Office client on Linux, and neither do 
they have an online editor, it becomes product to become that client 
to Microsoft OneDrive that can also edit or save in .docx format. Now 
there are a few meagre solutions for using OneDrive on Linux, but it 
is not much.


Suppose AOO had its own OneDrive client plugin? That you could use AOO 
to browse and modify, load and save, documents on OneDrive?


Just the same as that Microsoft Office would do, is what I mean. Just 
become cloud-ready. Just allow a person to save on OneDrive.


* Fix the OpenOffice looks (at least on Linux). That black hard shadow 
behind the "page" is not good enough anymore. Make sure it looks nice 
enough and start with that thick black border.


Google Docs works awesomely if a bit slow (due to the internet 
connection) and you can't do everything you can do in a regular editor 
(particularly positioning and such things) (and you can only choose a 
few font sizes) but in general (apart from not being able to actually 
manually really save stuff) the editing experience is much nice than 
either OpenOffice or LibreOffice. And it's just a new product, right.


It's not perfect but looks much better than anything else I've seen 
and you don't run the risk of losing your content, that I constantly 
have with LibreOffice/OO.


I have probably lost important court battles due to LibreOffice.

So I will say 3 things:

- fix the looks
- interoperate with OneDrive and Google Drive if possible (OneDrive 
more important) and ensure perfect compability with these

4.1.3_release_blocker granted: [Issue 127118] Update dmake URL in configure

2016-09-17 Thread bugzilla 
Patricia Shanahan  has granted Ariel Constenla-Haile
's request for 4.1.3_release_blocker:
Issue 127118: Update dmake URL in configure
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127118

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4.1.3_release_blocker denied: [Issue 127116] Update python in the release branch to version 2.7.8

2016-09-17 Thread bugzilla 
Patricia Shanahan  has denied Pedro Giffuni 's
request for 4.1.3_release_blocker:
Issue 127116: Update python in the release branch to version 2.7.8
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127116

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4.1.3_release_blocker denied: [Issue 127117] Update OpenSSL in the stable branch to version 0.9.8zh

2016-09-17 Thread bugzilla 
Patricia Shanahan  has denied Pedro Giffuni 's
request for 4.1.3_release_blocker:
Issue 127117: Update OpenSSL in the stable branch to version 0.9.8zh
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127117

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