An update on development efforts

[Damjan Jovanovic]

Hi

Since there is a lot of political discussion lately, I thought a post on
our development might be refreshing.

The last of the "big 6" modules, Calc (in main/sc), has been ported to
gbuild, and 68 of 187 modules in total or about 36%, are now in gbuild. If
externals are not counted as modules, then we're on 49.63%. Work remains to
integrate yacc, flex, javamaker, cppumaker and a few other tools into
gbuild, so that the modules that use them can also be ported. I've also
done some calculations with module dependencies in an attempt to split the
build into an early bad build.pl/dmake phase, and a late
fast/correct/reproducible gbuild phase, in which all gbuild modules are
built in one make instance, and build.pl/dmake are not used, however it's
not clear how best to do this, as you can't call make with full concurrency
from build.pl when it is itself threaded.

Our testing also received some improvement. I've resurrected parts of the
main/test directory which I believe were deleted in error, as the test.jar
and test-tools.jar they produce are used by our subsequent tests, yet were
missing. Also I've added an optional --with-hamcrest-core option to
configure, for those using new versions of JUnit that require Hamcrest, and
gotten this to be used in gbuild modules. The subsequent tests were relying
on a makefile in smoketest to unpack the "archive" package format zip file
to use as the default office instance to test, and I've changed them to
directly use the "installed" package format instead, without relying on the
smoketest makefile which is currently broken anyway. Paths to it have also
been updated from OpenOffice 3 to 4. Subsequent tests can now be run (in
gbuild modules anyway) and I am working on debugging a few that fail.
Smoketest itself should move to the test/ directory instead, as an old copy
of its document is run as part of the bvt tests, yet the main/ document
isn't built there nor used at all.

I think the idea should be to get tests working on the buildbots, so that
we don't only build every day, but build and test, which is important to
prevent regressions, which are invariably introduced through new versions
of dependencies, the move to gbuild, etc.

I've also been looking at other languages to add for AOO development.
Google Go seems interesting, but doesn't support exceptions, making it
incapable of being a first class UNO language (just like our StarBasic
isn't). Google did translate Python to Go recently though, so they must
have done exceptions somehow. .NET is more open and free than Java nowdays,
and we do have some UNO .NET support, but it's almost undocumented.

Damjan

Re: Using IRC more

[Alexandro Colorado]

I am usually at #dev.openoffice.org

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Mechtilde  wrote:

> I'm there too
>
> Mechtilde
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 20:41 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Hi Raphael,
> >
> > I never used IRC but for Ubuntu (Translation) we use a Telegram group.
> > That works well and is very quick.
> >
> > I will try to connect to IRC though...
> >
> > Regards, Matthias
> >
> >
> > Am 23.01.2017 um 19:41 schrieb Raphael Bircher:
> >> Hi at all
> >>
> >> We don't use IRC at the moment. I miss this instrument. First to get
> >> fast respond for problems, like building. second I believe that it
> >> also helps to grow the community. You have the possibility for real
> >> time talk. This is sometimes really healthy. For me, a good chat can
> >> be like a heartbeat of a community.
> >>
> >> Do we meet at freenode.net on ApacheOO or what do you think.
> >>
> >> Regards Raphael
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Re: Using IRC more

[Mechtilde]

I'm there too

Mechtilde

Am 23.01.2017 um 20:41 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Raphael,
> 
> I never used IRC but for Ubuntu (Translation) we use a Telegram group.
> That works well and is very quick.
> 
> I will try to connect to IRC though...
> 
> Regards, Matthias
> 
> 
> Am 23.01.2017 um 19:41 schrieb Raphael Bircher:
>> Hi at all
>>
>> We don't use IRC at the moment. I miss this instrument. First to get
>> fast respond for problems, like building. second I believe that it
>> also helps to grow the community. You have the possibility for real
>> time talk. This is sometimes really healthy. For me, a good chat can
>> be like a heartbeat of a community.
>>
>> Do we meet at freenode.net on ApacheOO or what do you think.
>>
>> Regards Raphael
>>
> 
> 

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Re: Using IRC more

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Raphael,

I never used IRC but for Ubuntu (Translation) we use a Telegram group.
That works well and is very quick.

I will try to connect to IRC though...

Regards, Matthias


Am 23.01.2017 um 19:41 schrieb Raphael Bircher:
> Hi at all
>
> We don't use IRC at the moment. I miss this instrument. First to get
> fast respond for problems, like building. second I believe that it
> also helps to grow the community. You have the possibility for real
> time talk. This is sometimes really healthy. For me, a good chat can
> be like a heartbeat of a community.
>
> Do we meet at freenode.net on ApacheOO or what do you think.
>
> Regards Raphael
>




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Using IRC more

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all

We don't use IRC at the moment. I miss this instrument. First to get fast  
respond for problems, like building. second I believe that it also helps  
to grow the community. You have the possibility for real time talk. This  
is sometimes really healthy. For me, a good chat can be like a heartbeat  
of a community.


Do we meet at freenode.net on ApacheOO or what do you think.

Regards Raphael

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4.1.4_release_blocker denied: [Issue 127108] Update the Copyright year

[bugzilla]

Ariel Constenla-Haile  has denied Matthias Seidel
's request for 4.1.4_release_blocker:
Issue 127108: Update the Copyright year
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127108



--- Comment #9 from Ariel Constenla-Haile  ---
This one for 2016 ;)

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4.1.4_release_blocker granted: [Issue 127295] Update the Copyright year to 2017

[bugzilla]

Ariel Constenla-Haile  has granted  4.1.4_release_blocker:
Issue 127295: Update the Copyright year to 2017
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127295



--- Description ---
Update the copyright year in the About dialog and NOTICE files.
See issue 127108

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Re: Google Summer Of Code 2017

[Pedro Giffuni]

BTW, JFYI ...

Last time I tried to mentor for the ASF, I was told I had to ask the PMC
and get their OK first.

Pedro.

On 01/22/17 20:38, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hi Yakov;

I have mentored previously for other organizations. I could consider
mentoring this year if there is an interesting project.

Regards,

Pedro.


Is it planned in this season participated Apache Open Office in Google
Summer Of Code ?
https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/01/now-accepting-organization-applications.html


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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

[Simon Phipps]

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:

>
> > From: toki [mailto:toki.kant...@gmail.com]
>
> > * GoOo: The fork that wasn't.
>
> Oh, that was a fork! A fork against OpenOffice.
>

In fact Go-OO was started by Ximian in 2003, long before Novell bought
them, as a convenient build system for developers not working within Sun.
The difficulty of getting the Sun team to accept patches, and the
complexity of the Sun build system, meant that most developers external to
Sun used Go-OO as their repository.

There were indeed strong words spoken by many people (including me on Sun's
behalf) but for the most part Go-OO maintained its role as a downstream
convenience for non-Sun contributors and played a positive role developing
a developer community around the code. I think we would all be well served
by dropping the decade-old hostility to it at this point.

S.

Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

[Peter Kovacs]

+1, yeah we should talk in person.
You can always only build communities by meeting.

Matthias Seidel  schrieb am So., 22. Jan. 2017,
09:25:

> It CAN work!
> Indeed it does in an even smaller community for several years...
>
> We should have a talk together with Raphael and Peter at FOSDEM 17.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 22.01.2017 um 08:26 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
> > Hi,
> >
> > IMO Raphael's suggestion will work under Apache rules. It is normal that
> > developers of Apache projects are paid by companies etc. to contribute
> > to the project.
> >
> > Whether Raphael`s plan will work as a "business model", we will see.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
>
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