Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Simon Phipps]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
>
> the 404 is now gone.


But so is the usable table of downloads, which is completely lost. I
believe that is an unwelcome step backwards.

S.

Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Marcus]

Am 11.05.2017 um 00:00 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 10.05.2017 um 23:21 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.05.2017 um 21:07 schrieb Hagar Delest:

A user raised this strange result: when performing a Google search with
"openoffice download", the 3.4.1 version is the 3rd choice, this tends
to present the 3.4.1 version as a not that old one. Is there a way to
change that from the AOO site?
See: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6=88693

By curiosity, I tried with Bing. The first result is... Office 365! then
non official sites and the official one in 5th position only.

Yahoo does not show 3.4.1 (even if the results are rather similar to
those from Bing).


interesting topic. Of course, I've also tried a Google search with
"openoffice download" and got:

- Not a single link to any webpages for a 3.4.1 download (I've only
looksed at the first 5 result pages).

So, there must be something special in the kind of seaching that the
user is doing.

However, it doesn't matter. There is no reason to provide download
pages to offer outdated versions - based on w.oo.o. Of course we
cannot influence what others are offering on their webpages.

I've deleted the webpage that is mentioned in the result page the user
has posted in the screenshot. As soon as Google is re-indexing our
website I expect that this special webpage is recognized as deleted
and therefore no longer in the search results.


If you now choose 3.4.1 in downloads you get an Error 404...
I don't think it should be deleted otherwise the download page must be
updated (legacy releases).


the 404 is now gone.

Marcus


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Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Marcus]

Am 11.05.2017 um 21:04 schrieb Hagar Delest:

Le 10/05/2017 à 23:21, Marcus a écrit :

So, there must be something special in the kind of seaching that the
user is doing.


I tried myself (see screenshot in the forum) with the standard search.
So nothing special at all.



I've deleted the webpage that is mentioned in the result page the user
has posted in the screenshot. As soon as Google is re-indexing our
website I expect that this special webpage is recognized as deleted
and therefore no longer in the search results.

I agree with others that the page itself should be kept to allow the
download of older versions. But perhaps there are keywords that can be
removed to lower the relevance for a search.


there is no need to have a single page with a single version. Every 
outdated version can be accessed in the archive.



Or perhaps increase the visibility of the archived & legacy versions
(quite hidden as a last link at bottom of the additional resources
section).


Sure, we want to put the newer/newest version forward and not old stuff. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Windows 10 S

[Issac Goldstand]

On 5/11/2017 11:01 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989
>
> The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit 
> applications.
>
> I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy, being a 
> contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are true ought we not 
> seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?
(trying a second time, as I don't think my first attempt made it to the
list)

I don't think that it's about 32-bit vs 64-bit, it's about not running
native old-style win32 apps, and only allowing new UWP apps.  The apps
can still be 32 or 64 bits, but must be UWP and live in the Windows Store


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Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Simon Phipps]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Hagar Delest 
wrote:

> Le 10/05/2017 à 23:21, Marcus a écrit :
>
> I've deleted the webpage that is mentioned in the result page the user has
>> posted in the screenshot. As soon as Google is re-indexing our website I
>> expect that this special webpage is recognized as deleted and therefore no
>> longer in the search results.
>>
> I agree with others that the page itself should be kept to allow the
> download of older versions.


It should be restored ASAP since at the moment it makes the download page
deliver a 404 when v3.4.1 is requested from the dropdown. I've no access
otherwise I'd do it now.


> But perhaps there are keywords that can be removed to lower the relevance
> for a search.
> Or perhaps increase the visibility of the archived & legacy versions
> (quite hidden as a last link at bottom of the additional resources section).


Indeed, that was what I meant by "not promoting". At a minimum the page
should have a prominent warning that the versions in the table are very
old, legacy versions with known security issues and should not be used
unless the user is fully aware of what they are doing. That way anyone
clicking through to it from a search result will be sufficiently warned. We
should just rely on SEO.

S.

Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Hagar Delest]

Le 10/05/2017 à 23:21, Marcus a écrit :

So, there must be something special in the kind of seaching that the user is 
doing.


I tried myself (see screenshot in the forum) with the standard search. So 
nothing special at all.



I've deleted the webpage that is mentioned in the result page the user has 
posted in the screenshot. As soon as Google is re-indexing our website I expect 
that this special webpage is recognized as deleted and therefore no longer in 
the search results.

I agree with others that the page itself should be kept to allow the download 
of older versions. But perhaps there are keywords that can be removed to lower 
the relevance for a search.
Or perhaps increase the visibility of the archived & legacy versions (quite 
hidden as a last link at bottom of the additional resources section).

Hagar

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Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Marcus]

Am 11.05.2017 um 00:02 schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 23:37, Simon Phipps  wrote:


On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Marcus  wrote:


However, it doesn't matter. There is no reason to provide download pages
to offer outdated versions - based on w.oo.o. Of course we cannot

influence

what others are offering on their webpages.


Actually the trademark owner can ask third parties to distribute only the
last version, or allow them to distribute older versions as far as links to
the last version are also made available in a prominent way.


OK, we can try to influence what others should offer. In the end they 
decide on their own if they would follow our advice. But asking is of 
course not forbidden.



I disagree. I and users I support have often had reason to download old
versions of software. The most common cause is because they are using an
outdated operating system they can't change for some reason, but sometimes
a feature or a bug of a given version is needed.

There's no need to promote them, but removing them is a mistake.



I agree.

Roberto


Marcus


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Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.li...@googlemail.com] 

> The text there says:
> ...
> ... does not harm the reputation of The Document Foundation;...»

And this is not enough for me, because it can be arbitrarily interpreted.

For example, I was reproached in the forum de.openoffice.info I want to damage 
LibreOffice just because I said I see problems with the Wiki and would 
therefore offer help.


Excuse only the problem is too special for me to discuss it in English because 
I have some problems with the English language.



Jörg


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Re: Windows 10 S

[Matthias Seidel]

Maybe we could start with getting the BuildBots running on Windows 10 -
64bit with the new SDKs...

Regards, Matthias


Am 11.05.2017 um 10:24 schrieb Raphael Bircher:
> Hi all
>
> We have anyway to move, because we use very old SDK's
>
> Regards Raphael
>
> Am .05.2017, 10:19 Uhr, schrieb FR web forum :
>
>> +1
>> With XP and Vista EoL, 32-bit systems are dead.
>> Issue for AOO: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
>> 64-bit port has been done for LibO.
>> Process described here:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64
>>
>>
>> - Mail original -
>> De: "Rory O'Farrell" 
>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Envoyé: Jeudi 11 Mai 2017 10:01:00
>> Objet: Windows 10 S
>>
>>
>> I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
>> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989
>>
>> The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit
>> applications.
>>
>> I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy,
>> being a contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are
>> true ought we not seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?
>>
>
>




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Re: Windows 10 S

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

We have anyway to move, because we use very old SDK's

Regards Raphael

Am .05.2017, 10:19 Uhr, schrieb FR web forum :


+1
With XP and Vista EoL, 32-bit systems are dead.
Issue for AOO: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
64-bit port has been done for LibO.
Process described here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64


- Mail original -
De: "Rory O'Farrell" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 11 Mai 2017 10:01:00
Objet: Windows 10 S


I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989

The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit  
applications.


I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy,  
being a contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are true  
ought we not seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?





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Re: Windows 10 S

[FR web forum]

+1
With XP and Vista EoL, 32-bit systems are dead.
Issue for AOO: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
64-bit port has been done for LibO.
Process described here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64


- Mail original -
De: "Rory O'Farrell" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 11 Mai 2017 10:01:00
Objet: Windows 10 S


I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989

The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit 
applications.

I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy, being a 
contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are true ought we not 
seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Windows 10 S

[Issac Goldstand]

On 5/11/2017 11:01 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989
>
> The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit 
> applications.
>
> I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy, being a 
> contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are true ought we not 
> seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?
>
I don't think that it's about 32-bit vs 64-bit, it's about not running
native old-style win32 apps, and only allowing new UWP apps.  The apps
can still be 32 or 64 bits, but must be UWP and live in the Windows Store


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Windows 10 S

[Rory O'Farrell]

I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989

The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit 
applications.

I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy, being a 
contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are true ought we not 
seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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