Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Jim Jagielski]

> On Oct 9, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> I would like to see the old communication. Was the dev mailinglist
>> involved?
> 
> Oh, sure! You can search for digital signatures on the dev list 
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@openoffice.apache.org (I recall I sent 
> a message on 1st January 2015, and nothing significant happened after it 
> except discussions).
> 
>> What kind of seriousness do you need?
>> Like I volunteering to drive this in a civilised provesional mannor
>> would be sufficient for you?
> 
> Absolutely. Actually less than that is enough. I mean, if Infra is going to 
> be involved then we mustn't repeat once again -and I am responsible for at 
> least one occurrence- the mistake of asking to prepare stuff and not using it.
> 
> Let's start from the basics. I'll now reopen a conversation here asking if 
> the Symantec signing infrastructure applies to Gatekeeper or not. If it is 
> Windows-only, then the entire previous discussions are not relevant and we 
> (you) must find a way forward for Mac OS X. If, on the contrary, it applies, 
> then I'll give you explanations and liaise with Infra since you might not 
> have the needed level of access.
> 

+1. Let me know what I can do to help if need be.


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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Peter Kovacs]

On 09.10.2016 20:54, Jan Høydahl wrote:

Peter, don’t get yourself lost in historic discussions and perhaps 
unwillingness to tackle this. Some developers have been satisfied with the 
status quo since we have a workaround (an awful one).
No not want to get lost. But it is good to know what was already on the 
table. Then I know what to ask in order to avoid missasumptions.


On 09.10.2016 21:16, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I would like to see the old communication. Was the dev mailinglist
involved?


Oh, sure! You can search for digital signatures on the dev list 
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@openoffice.apache.org (I recall 
I sent a message on 1st January 2015, and nothing significant happened 
after it except discussions).

Thanks!
Absolutely. Actually less than that is enough. I mean, if Infra is 
going to be involved then we mustn't repeat once again -and I am 
responsible for at least one occurrence- the mistake of asking to 
prepare stuff and not using it.
Then Consider me in. It is something that I can fairly easy do. If you 
help me a bit.


Let's start from the basics. I'll now reopen a conversation here 
asking if the Symantec signing infrastructure applies to Gatekeeper or 
not. If it is Windows-only, then the entire previous discussions are 
not relevant and we (you) must find a way forward for Mac OS X. If, on 
the contrary, it applies, then I'll give you explanations and liaise 
with Infra since you might not have the needed level of access.

Hmm, I have nothing. Well except Bugzilla of course.
And Jörg said there needs to be of an introduction of sort? This 
beaucracy is not high n my priority list. :)


However I will need some help here and there. But I am confident I get 
the support from someone.


All the best
Peter

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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Andrea Pescetti]

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I would like to see the old communication. Was the dev mailinglist
involved?


Oh, sure! You can search for digital signatures on the dev list 
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@openoffice.apache.org (I recall I 
sent a message on 1st January 2015, and nothing significant happened 
after it except discussions).



What kind of seriousness do you need?
Like I volunteering to drive this in a civilised provesional mannor
would be sufficient for you?


Absolutely. Actually less than that is enough. I mean, if Infra is going 
to be involved then we mustn't repeat once again -and I am responsible 
for at least one occurrence- the mistake of asking to prepare stuff and 
not using it.


Let's start from the basics. I'll now reopen a conversation here asking 
if the Symantec signing infrastructure applies to Gatekeeper or not. If 
it is Windows-only, then the entire previous discussions are not 
relevant and we (you) must find a way forward for Mac OS X. If, on the 
contrary, it applies, then I'll give you explanations and liaise with 
Infra since you might not have the needed level of access.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Jan Høydahl]

+1 to proceed with NEXT STEP™ towards getting AOO signed for Gatekeeper.

Peter, don’t get yourself lost in historic discussions and perhaps 
unwillingness to tackle this. Some developers have been satisfied with the 
status quo since we have a workaround (an awful one).
So please, if you can bring some facts to the table, and consult a bit with 
INFRA then I think what we need more than anything else is someone just driving 
it through!

--
Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com

> 9. okt. 2016 kl. 19.31 skrev Peter Kovacs :
> 
> Thanks for the insight.
> 
> 
> On 09.10.2016 17:54, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> So this is not impossible, but probably a prerequisite will be to sign MacOS 
>> X packages with a signature that Apple (to be precise, Gatekeeper) 
>> recognizes as valid. I have no idea on what this entails. The ASF has a 
>> signing solution (from Symantec) available, but if I recall correctly it 
>> does not apply to Mac, only Windows. I can double-check but, due to a long 
>> history of misunderstandings and unfulfilled promises between OpenOffice and 
>> ASF Infra on this, I'd like to be sure that we are serious about getting 
>> this done before proceeding.
> 
> I agree. This is a complex topic with a lots of possible missunderstandings 
> if not spoken clearly.
> I would like to see the old communication. Was the dev mailinglist involved?
> 
> What kind of seriousness do you need?
> Like I volunteering to drive this in a civilised provesional mannor would be 
> sufficient for you?
> Or should we do a vote?
> 
> In case of a vote, I would prepare all the facts I can find. So everyone can 
> have at least a summary what we are heading towards before proceeding.
> Of course this will take a bit. Since I am not Quick :-D.
> 
> All the best
> Peter
> 
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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Peter Kovacs]

Thanks for the insight.


On 09.10.2016 17:54, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
So this is not impossible, but probably a prerequisite will be to sign 
MacOS X packages with a signature that Apple (to be precise, 
Gatekeeper) recognizes as valid. I have no idea on what this entails. 
The ASF has a signing solution (from Symantec) available, but if I 
recall correctly it does not apply to Mac, only Windows. I can 
double-check but, due to a long history of misunderstandings and 
unfulfilled promises between OpenOffice and ASF Infra on this, I'd 
like to be sure that we are serious about getting this done before 
proceeding.


I agree. This is a complex topic with a lots of possible 
missunderstandings if not spoken clearly.

I would like to see the old communication. Was the dev mailinglist involved?

What kind of seriousness do you need?
Like I volunteering to drive this in a civilised provesional mannor 
would be sufficient for you?

Or should we do a vote?

In case of a vote, I would prepare all the facts I can find. So everyone 
can have at least a summary what we are heading towards before proceeding.

Of course this will take a bit. Since I am not Quick :-D.

All the best
Peter

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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Andrea Pescetti]

Peter Kovacs wrote:

Yes I agree signing the package for our users would be a good step, while
the app store is the next step in this topic.


For some literature on the ASF and the App Store you can read this long 
discussion from a few months ago:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11183

So this is not impossible, but probably a prerequisite will be to sign 
MacOS X packages with a signature that Apple (to be precise, Gatekeeper) 
recognizes as valid. I have no idea on what this entails. The ASF has a 
signing solution (from Symantec) available, but if I recall correctly it 
does not apply to Mac, only Windows. I can double-check but, due to a 
long history of misunderstandings and unfulfilled promises between 
OpenOffice and ASF Infra on this, I'd like to be sure that we are 
serious about getting this done before proceeding.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Peter Kovacs]

Yes I agree signing the package for our users would be a good step, while
the app store is the next step in this topic.

Matthias Seidel  schrieb am So., 9. Okt. 2016,
00:41:

> +1
>
> Maybe this would be something for long-term?
>
> But what about getting a Developer ID from Apple to get rid of the
> gatekeeper-messages?
> A lot of traffic on the user-mailinglist is from people who think they
> can not install AOO on MacOS because of that...
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491
>
> regards
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 09.10.2016 um 00:14 schrieb Jan Høydahl:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I’m afraid we need a lot of changes to the software to comply with the
> sandboxing policy of the Appstore, see
> >
> https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/MigratingALegacyApp/MigratingAnAppToASandbox.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011183-CH6-SW1
> <
> https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/MigratingALegacyApp/MigratingAnAppToASandbox.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011183-CH6-SW1
> >
> > But Collabora has done it for LibreOffice “in a few months", so it
> should be possible… Now you find LibreOffice Vanilla and NeoOffice on the
> AppStore. It would be great to find Apache OpenOffice as well!
> >
> > --
> > Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> > Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
> >
> >> 4. okt. 2016 kl. 07.32 skrev Peter Kovacs :
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I would like to propose to publish _Open Office_ as _Apache Foundation_
> on the Apple store.
> >>
> >> I am always dissapointed when I see some unknown developer publishes
> Open Source, and the Project itself is not present.
> >> Afaik this costs money (99$/year).
> >> Here is a blog post that explains the details what is involved as
> effort:
> >> https://www.raywenderlich.com/127936/submit-an-app-part-1
> >>
> >> Does the Apache Foundation allow this?
> >> What does such a move involve on our side?
> >> Where can we get the money from?
> >> Do we want to do this on a general thought?
> >>
> >> I would volunteer as a Apple Store publisher, if it comes down for
> volunteers who do it.
> >> But I think this is only the last piece to think about.
> >>
> >> all the best
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Matthias Seidel]

+1

Maybe this would be something for long-term?

But what about getting a Developer ID from Apple to get rid of the
gatekeeper-messages?
A lot of traffic on the user-mailinglist is from people who think they
can not install AOO on MacOS because of that...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

regards

Matthias


Am 09.10.2016 um 00:14 schrieb Jan Høydahl:
> Hi,
>
> I’m afraid we need a lot of changes to the software to comply with the 
> sandboxing policy of the Appstore, see
> https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/MigratingALegacyApp/MigratingAnAppToASandbox.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011183-CH6-SW1
>  
> 
> But Collabora has done it for LibreOffice “in a few months", so it should be 
> possible… Now you find LibreOffice Vanilla and NeoOffice on the AppStore. It 
> would be great to find Apache OpenOffice as well!
>
> --
> Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
>
>> 4. okt. 2016 kl. 07.32 skrev Peter Kovacs :
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would like to propose to publish _Open Office_ as _Apache Foundation_ on 
>> the Apple store.
>>
>> I am always dissapointed when I see some unknown developer publishes Open 
>> Source, and the Project itself is not present.
>> Afaik this costs money (99$/year).
>> Here is a blog post that explains the details what is involved as effort:
>> https://www.raywenderlich.com/127936/submit-an-app-part-1
>>
>> Does the Apache Foundation allow this?
>> What does such a move involve on our side?
>> Where can we get the money from?
>> Do we want to do this on a general thought?
>>
>> I would volunteer as a Apple Store publisher, if it comes down for 
>> volunteers who do it.
>> But I think this is only the last piece to think about.
>>
>> all the best
>> Peter
>>
>>
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Re: [Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Jan Høydahl]

Hi,

I’m afraid we need a lot of changes to the software to comply with the 
sandboxing policy of the Appstore, see
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/MigratingALegacyApp/MigratingAnAppToASandbox.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011183-CH6-SW1
 

But Collabora has done it for LibreOffice “in a few months", so it should be 
possible… Now you find LibreOffice Vanilla and NeoOffice on the AppStore. It 
would be great to find Apache OpenOffice as well!

--
Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com

> 4. okt. 2016 kl. 07.32 skrev Peter Kovacs :
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I would like to propose to publish _Open Office_ as _Apache Foundation_ on 
> the Apple store.
> 
> I am always dissapointed when I see some unknown developer publishes Open 
> Source, and the Project itself is not present.
> Afaik this costs money (99$/year).
> Here is a blog post that explains the details what is involved as effort:
> https://www.raywenderlich.com/127936/submit-an-app-part-1
> 
> Does the Apache Foundation allow this?
> What does such a move involve on our side?
> Where can we get the money from?
> Do we want to do this on a general thought?
> 
> I would volunteer as a Apple Store publisher, if it comes down for volunteers 
> who do it.
> But I think this is only the last piece to think about.
> 
> all the best
> Peter
> 
> 
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[Proposal] Publish Apache Open Office on the apple store.

[Peter Kovacs]

Hello all,

I would like to propose to publish _Open Office_ as _Apache Foundation_ 
on the Apple store.


I am always dissapointed when I see some unknown developer publishes 
Open Source, and the Project itself is not present.

Afaik this costs money (99$/year).
Here is a blog post that explains the details what is involved as effort:
https://www.raywenderlich.com/127936/submit-an-app-part-1

Does the Apache Foundation allow this?
What does such a move involve on our side?
Where can we get the money from?
Do we want to do this on a general thought?

I would volunteer as a Apple Store publisher, if it comes down for 
volunteers who do it.

But I think this is only the last piece to think about.

all the best
Peter


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