Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:37 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: On 26.01.2015 15:20, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a community before one loses credibility? Not one or two times, not seven times and not seven multiplied by seventyseven times. Specifically, I'm asking about when someone repeatedly shows an attitude of If you don't do it my way I will resign. I'm concerned that this temprement is not very conducive to being a PMC Chair. The attitude, more than the numbers, is what matters. The repetition, of course, confirms the attitude. Regards, -Rob Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
jan i wrote: I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. (Answering both messages in one) OK, so we have two candidates, which is great! Thank you Dennis. Thank you Jan. I appreciate the availability of both of you and your sense of responsibility. Your candidacy will hopefully be met by the PMC with a large participation in the vote and with a positive, constructive, attitude. I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts... and again, thank you both for helping move this project forward. OpenOffice needs people like you. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On 26.01.2015 15:20, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a community before one loses credibility? Not one or two times, not seven times and not seven multiplied by seventyseven times. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: jan i wrote: I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. (Answering both messages in one) OK, so we have two candidates, which is great! I must have missed it, but when did you call for nominations? And how long are we giving to nominations? And can we have an explanation why the results of the last vote were just ignored? -Rob Thank you Dennis. Thank you Jan. I appreciate the availability of both of you and your sense of responsibility. Your candidacy will hopefully be met by the PMC with a large participation in the vote and with a positive, constructive, attitude. I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts... and again, thank you both for helping move this project forward. OpenOffice needs people like you. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
I hav On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. I promise to do the chair duties as defined by ASF, everything else depends on the PMC. I think Dennis will make a good chair/PMC, he is a lot better connected to AOO than me while I am relatively well connected within apache (have a look at people.apache.org) Just avoid any misunderstandings, LABS (which is a very very silent project) elected me as chair earlier this month and I am also spending hours developing Corinthia. I prefer not to enter into a debate about the qualifications of Dennis and me, the community knows us both (I have not changed since I resigned). I hope our community get a working PMC with a lot more activity. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. I have to second your nomination, I know your work and I know that you are very focused on improving the open source community. Also that you are very invested with communities beyond the OpenOffice one, and have helped in infra for Apache. You are more than qualified to be n the PMC since you have a great deal of knowledge on how Apache as a whole works. I do however want to turn this into a question, what makes you go deeper into OpenOffice and if you will have enough time to complete whatever task you will take upon. However this is not to challenge your nomination just make sure that there is a plan and vision with having this position. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a community before one loses credibility? -Rob I promise to do the chair duties as defined by ASF, everything else depends on the PMC. I think Dennis will make a good chair/PMC, he is a lot better connected to AOO than me while I am relatively well connected within apache (have a look at people.apache.org) Just avoid any misunderstandings, LABS (which is a very very silent project) elected me as chair earlier this month and I am also spending hours developing Corinthia. I prefer not to enter into a debate about the qualifications of Dennis and me, the community knows us both (I have not changed since I resigned). I hope our community get a working PMC with a lot more activity. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Rob Weir wrote: I must have missed it, but when did you call for nominations? And how long are we giving to nominations? All of this started on January 1st and we can't go on and discuss forever. Everybody has had the opportunity to nominate and be nominated. We need something that converges. People who are stopping the process must realize they are damaging the project by reiterating the same discussions. If we vote, I would add an option None of the above and ask that people who prefer that one are constructive and suggest some concretely verified different options. And can we have an explanation why the results of the last vote were just ignored? Vote was canceled, in agreement with the only candidate, since the number of binding -1 votes (especially compared to the number of voters) was making it clear that I couldn't conclude we had consensus. This is basically what I wrote at the time http://markmail.org/message/jlwujrial43unk4j ; maybe I don't understand your question, but I'm confident I didn't do anything wrong. We don't even need a formal vote. There are projects that are able to change their Chair with a 3-day discussion on the private list. Here we chose to do everything in public, with the obvious noise that comes with it. And this requires constructive attitude. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I must have missed it, but when did you call for nominations? And how long are we giving to nominations? All of this started on January 1st and we can't go on and discuss forever. Everybody has had the opportunity to nominate and be nominated. We need something that converges. People who are stopping the process must realize they are damaging the project by reiterating the same discussions. If we vote, I would add an option None of the above and ask that people who prefer that one are constructive and suggest some concretely verified different options. And can we have an explanation why the results of the last vote were just ignored? Vote was canceled, in agreement with the only candidate, since the number of binding -1 votes (especially compared to the number of voters) was making it clear that I couldn't conclude we had consensus. This is basically what I wrote at the time http://markmail.org/message/jlwujrial43unk4j ; maybe I don't understand your question, but I'm confident I didn't do anything wrong. We don't even need a formal vote. There are projects that are able to change their Chair with a 3-day discussion on the private list. Here we chose to do everything in public, with the obvious noise that comes with it. And this requires constructive attitude. So my concern was your statement I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts, when there has not been a call for nominations, nor a 3-day period of time. It sounds like someone has solicited up nominations via private emails. Let's do this in public. Yes, we had discussion before, but some of the candidates who previously dropped out seem to now be back in, due to these private conversations. Maybe others would emerge if we did this openly. So let's be fair and have an actual open call for nominations if we're going to have a 2nd round of this, and not just rush to a vote based on backroom discussions. Thanks! -Rob Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On 26/01/2015 Rob Weir wrote: So my concern was your statement I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts, when there has not been a call for nominations, nor a 3-day period of time. Fair. You all get three days. But no more than that, please. We are really in need for a solution. It sounds like someone has solicited up nominations via private emails. I have no problems to admit that, since vote on the only candidate could not be considered successful and I wished to avoid to vote with zero candidates, I asked other nominees to reconsider in the order in which they had declined. I stopped as soon as I found one, but indeed I'll give everyone else the opportunity to reconsider. And others to join. I'll only put a condition: either nominate yourself (at this point, preferred) or get approval by your nominee BEFORE sending in the nomination. Let's do this in public. So: Rob, Juergen, Marcus, Kay, you declined your nomination before we compiled the final list of nominees last round. Have you changed your mind? If so, please nominate yourself within the next three days. And if other people want to join the nominees, please do. Including Louis obviously. So let's be fair and have an actual open call for nominations if we're going to have a 2nd round of this, and not just rush to a vote based on backroom discussions. With three days, you won't have the None of the above options. Three days (after 26 days!) are enough to consider this to be fair for any definition of fair. We already discussed the voting procedure back at the time and I'm not going to revisit it unless there are objections. Thanks! In exchange, I ask everybody to be constructive and polite. Note that I may be offline for (relatively) long periods due to travel in the next days, so I may not be able to start or close the vote in a timely fashion. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Am 01/26/2015 01:17 PM, schrieb jan i: I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. I'm happy to see that you are available for the chair. :-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Am 01/26/2015 05:24 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: So: Rob, Juergen, Marcus, Kay, you declined your nomination before we compiled the final list of nominees last round. Have you changed your mind? If so, please nominate yourself within the next three days. I'm sorry but my situation hasn't changed. So, I'm not available for the PMC chair. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. I promise to do the chair duties as defined by ASF, everything else depends on the PMC. I think Dennis will make a good chair/PMC, he is a lot better connected to AOO than me while I am relatively well connected within apache (have a look at people.apache.org) Just avoid any misunderstandings, LABS (which is a very very silent project) elected me as chair earlier this month and I am also spending hours developing Corinthia. I prefer not to enter into a debate about the qualifications of Dennis and me, the community knows us both (I have not changed since I resigned). I hope our community get a working PMC with a lot more activity. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
