Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 03/09/2016 Roberto Galoppini wrote:

If a bunch of us is willing to go I might join the party.


The "bunch" is still small and the deadline for submissions is tomorrow. 
Anyone else from Europe interested in attending?


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hi Andrea;


Pedro Giffuni wrote:

I had already submitted a talk for this year's ApacheConEU


Ah, nice! An OpenOffice-specific talk or a generic one? I mean, would it
fit into a (hypothetical, of course; everything depends on reviewers)
OpenOffice track or not?



It is about random number generation, based on the OpenOffice 
implementation (and I may find time for some further improvements

in the following weeks).

I think I may give another one on a different subject as well, but this 
one would be unrelated to AOO.


Pedro.

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Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Sep 3, 2016 7:46 PM, "Andrea Pescetti"  wrote:
>
> Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>
>> I had already submitted a talk for this year's ApacheConEU
>
>
> Ah, nice! An OpenOffice-specific talk or a generic one? I mean, would it
fit into a (hypothetical, of course; everything depends on reviewers)
OpenOffice track or not?

If a bunch of us is willing to go I might join the party.

Roberto

> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Andrea Pescetti]

Pedro Giffuni wrote:

I had already submitted a talk for this year's ApacheConEU


Ah, nice! An OpenOffice-specific talk or a generic one? I mean, would it 
fit into a (hypothetical, of course; everything depends on reviewers) 
OpenOffice track or not?


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Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Pedro Giffuni]

> Hello guys;
>
> Before "the dramatic events of the last hours" I had already submitted a
> talk for this year's ApacheConEU (Sevilla is such a nice city to have a
> conference!).
>
> I understand that AOO people may feel discouraged now to attend but I
> don't really believe any form of boycott will serve the purpose of
> strengthening OpenOffice within the Apache Software Foundation. The best
> way to show support for the project is to engage with the wider ASF
> community, meet member of the Board and tell them that Apache OpenOffice
> is important. What the heck ... if we can't convince them ... get them
> drunk ;).
>
> I hereby suggest, and it's the easiest way to "save" the project AFAICT,
> that we release Apache OpenOffice 4.2.0 *during* ApacheConEU 2016.
>
> Just IMHO, with the latest updates (thanks truckman for the help) I
> think we are in pretty good shape for a Release; we could start making
> Release Candidates really soon now and make it so that we release the
> new version on November 16. Maybe it's a tight schedule but I also think
> we have been adding a lot of red tape to the process of making a
> release, which in theory is just a vote.

According to ASF release approval policy,
http://www.apache.org/dev/release#approving-a-release, "Before voting +1
PMC members are required to download the signed source code package,
compile it as provided, and test the resulting executable on their own
platform, along with also verifying that the package meets the
requirements of the ASF policy on releases."

That takes a bit more effort than "just a vote".


The requirement is obvious. I am not a PMC member but I run the openoffice
development version in my desktop. I would expect someone in the PMC should
be doing the same.

We usually go beyond that for AOO, so the process takes months.



To some extent, it may conflict with ApacheConEU attendance, because
that will take PMC members away from their own platforms. Ideally, we
need to get the voting process done before those attending leave home.

Even though there is some publicity advantage to announcing at the
event, I would rather get the release out ASAP.


Well, before the event is fine, ASAP works for me as long as it is 
before the event(?).


Pedro.

RE: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I am in the same position as Patricia and will not be traveling to European 
conferences.

> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 04:21
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November
> 
> 
> On 9/3/2016 2:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> ...
> > The latter option (not going) of course does not require anything, but
> > I'd still prefer to get an "I'm not coming" note especially from
> > Europe-based PMC members.
> ...
> 
> I would prefer to see at least one PMC member attend, and give a talk.
> If a group can do so, all the better.
> 
> I do not personally plan to attend, because of the time and energy it
> would take to get there, and back, from the west coast of the USA.
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Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 9/3/2016 7:10 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hello guys;

Before "the dramatic events of the last hours" I had already submitted a
talk for this year's ApacheConEU (Sevilla is such a nice city to have a
conference!).

I understand that AOO people may feel discouraged now to attend but I
don't really believe any form of boycott will serve the purpose of
strengthening OpenOffice within the Apache Software Foundation. The best
way to show support for the project is to engage with the wider ASF
community, meet member of the Board and tell them that Apache OpenOffice
is important. What the heck ... if we can't convince them ... get them
drunk ;).

I hereby suggest, and it's the easiest way to "save" the project AFAICT,
that we release Apache OpenOffice 4.2.0 *during* ApacheConEU 2016.

Just IMHO, with the latest updates (thanks truckman for the help) I
think we are in pretty good shape for a Release; we could start making
Release Candidates really soon now and make it so that we release the
new version on November 16. Maybe it's a tight schedule but I also think
we have been adding a lot of red tape to the process of making a
release, which in theory is just a vote.


According to ASF release approval policy,
http://www.apache.org/dev/release#approving-a-release, "Before voting +1
PMC members are required to download the signed source code package,
compile it as provided, and test the resulting executable on their own
platform, along with also verifying that the package meets the
requirements of the ASF policy on releases."

That takes a bit more effort than "just a vote".

To some extent, it may conflict with ApacheConEU attendance, because
that will take PMC members away from their own platforms. Ideally, we
need to get the voting process done before those attending leave home.

Even though there is some publicity advantage to announcing at the
event, I would rather get the release out ASAP.

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Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

[Andrea Pescetti]

I had planned to send an exploratory mail to see who was considering, or 
even just available, to attend ApacheCon in November. We can't pretend 
that nothing happened in the last 36 hours, so this reflects in the 
current mail, but the question (and the tight deadline) still holds.


ApacheCon Europe 
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe will be in 
Sevilla, southern Spain, 16-18 November; a separate Big Data event will 
take place in the days just before it. As usual, it is an ASF-wide event 
where many topics are not of direct interest to OpenOffice enthusiast, 
and vice versa; but it is also a rare and important occasion for the 
project members to meet in person and for meeting in person with the 
Infra team and the occasional Board members.


My experience is that every time I attended I found some value in it; 
just to make an example, sitting together with Infra helped solving 
immediately several structural issues that would have significantly 
delayed the 4.1.2 release last year.


For this year, I believe it makes sense to either go as a group or skip 
entirely (you can call it boycotting, but I prefer not to echo the tone 
of some recent messages to this list).


I would prefer the former option, which would imply:
- At least 4-5 active PMC members attend
- Each of them submits a talk next week (by 9 Sept)
- We schedule half a day of sessions focused, presumably, on what each 
of us has to say in preparation for a new release
- We skip all other sessions and spend the rest of time actually doing 
work together for OpenOffice and benefiting from having Infra and/or 
Board members around
- We have a fund for events that we can use to refund travel expenses of 
participants from all over the world; probably the time has come to spend it
- Note: this also assumes that sessions are actually accepted, otherwise 
we pay 275 USD each for admission but at that point we'd have to 
consider if this is worth it


The latter option (not going) of course does not require anything, but 
I'd still prefer to get an "I'm not coming" note especially from 
Europe-based PMC members.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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