Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Merrill, Matt]

Hi Chris,

I would definitely like to be in the loop if you decide to move forward with 
the ideas you proposed. Our organization is heavily invested in Shindig and we 
don’t yet have a viable alternative yet. I especially like what you’re saying 
about breaking up different parts of functionality.  Much like you, we don’t 
have a lot of use for Shindig’s OpenSocial capabilities, but use it’s gadget 
rendering primarily.

-Matt



On 11/8/15, 7:15 AM, "Chris Spiliotopoulos" 
 wrote:

>Hi Raj,
>
>well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to say
>just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
>
>Cheers
>
>
>
>On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> i am ready.
>> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't
>> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
>>
>> This time i can help creating few html pages.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Raj
>>
>> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
>> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
>> > have come down to the following conclusion.
>> >
>> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the
>> shadows
>> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
>> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
>> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
>> > number of years now).
>> >
>> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with
>> many
>> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time and
>> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if
>> things
>> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
>> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
>> > name is really interested any more.
>> >
>> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
>> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve
>> their
>> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can
>> totally
>> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same
>> time
>> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
>> Speaking
>> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
>> country
>> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that a
>> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
>> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
>> > course :)
>> >
>> > I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have changed
>> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
>> > communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place to
>> be
>> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean
>> that
>> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
>> > action now is over at GitHub.
>> >
>> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's
>> perspective)
>> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
>> >
>> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
>> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no
>> interest
>> > in
>> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and rendering
>> >facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot of
>> > time
>> >and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
>> >- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
>> >first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is
>> very
>> >important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that
>> > this
>> >technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out
>> > because
>> >it may solve them a number of problems.
>> >- Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
>> >experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials
>> >- We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered
>> marketplace
>> >- in the context of show casing stuff.  If I remember correctly
>> Darren's
>> >team has already launched a project which is very similar to the
>> iGoogle
>> >web site so he could certainly provide some ideas.
>> >- Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub
>> in a
>> >more agile and community oriented approach without any of the
>> > bureaucratic
>> >processes imposed by the Apache Foundation.  Once the 'monolith' is
>> > broken
>> >down into different projects then it would be more manageable and
>> people
>> >having certain skills could join forces
>> >- By 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ichiro Furusato]

Hi Chris,

Thanks very much for your long and thoughtful message regarding the Apache
Shindig project.

As I've described previously, we've made an initial investment in time and
up-skilling, gone through
a proof-of-concept and prototype phase and await funding for a rebuild of
our weather displays
using the Gadget hosting and rendering facilities provided by Shindig. We
are planning to host our
services over Liferay, using its embedded Shindig service. I've also
managed to build out a
prototype of Shindig-over-Jetty as a much lighter host should we decide not
to use Liferay for all
of our services. As you, we've focused mostly on the Gadget containment and
rendering provided
by Shindig (and are quite excited about that as it allows our developers to
focus on individual
gadgets rather than either the portal environment or inadvertent
multiple-gadget interaction across
the global JavaScript space. The containment alone is worth the cost of
entry.

That said I still hope to see a stable trunk that we can use for what would
be a large part of our
enterprise weather delivery. We simply can't use a hobbyist-level software
package for that. I am
perhaps rather old-school in not quite grokking the importance of GitHub,
but I can accept yours
and some of my co-workers opinions on its viability and rising importance
in the dev world.

We would largely be interested mostly in the Gadget containment and
rendering facilities, as we
have yet to use the OpenSocial features, nor do we see a requirement for
them in our aviation-
and industry-focused products. So splitting the project would (to me) not
be an issue. But I can
understand that some might fear that such a split might endanger the
viability of the overall
package.

We look forward to a successful migration of the active project to a new
home, if that should come
to pass. At this point I cannot unfortunately commit to providing code or
support as our project is
currently on hold. But having Shindig resurface on GitHub would be almost a
requirement for it
to be funded at this point. I assume that all the other 'lurkers' out there
who are using Shindig
may be in a similar predicament.

All the best,

Ichiro

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
> have come down to the following conclusion.
>
> There are many professionals among us that have been working in the shadows
> supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
> integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
> Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
> number of years now).
>
> My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with many
> other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time and
> money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if things
> don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
> some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
> name is really interested any more.
>
> During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
> technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve their
> purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can totally
> understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same time
> I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?  Speaking
> for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a country
> that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that a
> crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
> And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
> course :)
>
> I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have changed
> in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
> communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place to be
> but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean that
> the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
> action now is over at GitHub.
>
> So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's perspective)
> that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
>
>- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
>personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no interest
> in
>them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and rendering
>facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot of
> time
>and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
>- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
>first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is very
>important since we want to make a bold statement to communities 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Chris Spiliotopoulos]

Hi all,

having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
have come down to the following conclusion.

There are many professionals among us that have been working in the shadows
supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
number of years now).

My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with many
other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time and
money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if things
don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
name is really interested any more.

During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve their
purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can totally
understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same time
I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?  Speaking
for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a country
that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that a
crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
course :)

I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have changed
in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place to be
but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean that
the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
action now is over at GitHub.

So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's perspective)
that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:

   - We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
   personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no interest in
   them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and rendering
   facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot of time
   and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
   - We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
   first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is very
   important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that this
   technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out because
   it may solve them a number of problems.
   - Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
   experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials
   - We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered marketplace
   - in the context of show casing stuff.  If I remember correctly Darren's
   team has already launched a project which is very similar to the iGoogle
   web site so he could certainly provide some ideas.
   - Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub in a
   more agile and community oriented approach without any of the bureaucratic
   processes imposed by the Apache Foundation.  Once the 'monolith' is broken
   down into different projects then it would be more manageable and people
   having certain skills could join forces
   - By utilizing technologies like Docker there is no need for hosting
   resources and sample material - we can bundle our examples, show cases, etc
   in self-sufficient Docker images and host them over @ DockerHub.  The
   integration with GitHub is seamless so this is a no brainer
   - Reach out to Atlassian, Jive and the rest of the companies who we know
   for sure that they have invested a lot in this technology (and actively use
   it) to help with this effort - e.g. Atlassian has extended Shindig
   container & engine to meet their requirements and they definitely have devs
   who know the bits and pieces

So the question now for me is really simple.  How many of us want to move
over to the next phase without getting into any sort of credibility issues
regarding our choices?  +1 from me.

Kind regards,
Chris


On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:

> I completely understand.  I can't speak to the continued support of vendors
> who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just stop
> supporting the products consuming Shindig.  I am sorry that this puts you
> in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source software.
> With no community willing to support and enhance the project there is not
> much we can do.  If someone takes the code and the project regains life
> somewhere else, that is great.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Hi Chris,
i am ready.
Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't
do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.

This time i can help creating few html pages.

Regards,
Raj

On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
> have come down to the following conclusion.
>
> There are many professionals among us that have been working in the shadows
> supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
> integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
> Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
> number of years now).
>
> My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with many
> other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time and
> money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if things
> don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
> some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
> name is really interested any more.
>
> During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
> technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve their
> purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can totally
> understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same time
> I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?  Speaking
> for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a country
> that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that a
> crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
> And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
> course :)
>
> I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have changed
> in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
> communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place to be
> but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean that
> the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
> action now is over at GitHub.
>
> So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's perspective)
> that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
>
>- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
>personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no interest
> in
>them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and rendering
>facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot of
> time
>and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
>- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
>first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is very
>important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that
> this
>technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out
> because
>it may solve them a number of problems.
>- Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
>experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials
>- We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered marketplace
>- in the context of show casing stuff.  If I remember correctly Darren's
>team has already launched a project which is very similar to the iGoogle
>web site so he could certainly provide some ideas.
>- Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub in a
>more agile and community oriented approach without any of the
> bureaucratic
>processes imposed by the Apache Foundation.  Once the 'monolith' is
> broken
>down into different projects then it would be more manageable and people
>having certain skills could join forces
>- By utilizing technologies like Docker there is no need for hosting
>resources and sample material - we can bundle our examples, show cases,
> etc
>in self-sufficient Docker images and host them over @ DockerHub.  The
>integration with GitHub is seamless so this is a no brainer
>- Reach out to Atlassian, Jive and the rest of the companies who we know
>for sure that they have invested a lot in this technology (and actively
> use
>it) to help with this effort - e.g. Atlassian has extended Shindig
>container & engine to meet their requirements and they definitely have
> devs
>who know the bits and pieces
>
> So the question now for me is really simple.  How many of us want to move
> over to the next phase without getting into any sort of credibility issues
> regarding our choices?  +1 from me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Chris
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Ryan Baxter  > wrote:
>
> > I completely understand.  I can't speak to the continued support of
> vendors
> > who have 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Chris Spiliotopoulos]

Hi Raj,

well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to say
just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.

Cheers



On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> i am ready.
> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't
> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
>
> This time i can help creating few html pages.
>
> Regards,
> Raj
>
> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
> > have come down to the following conclusion.
> >
> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the
> shadows
> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
> > number of years now).
> >
> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with
> many
> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time and
> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if
> things
> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
> > name is really interested any more.
> >
> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve
> their
> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can
> totally
> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same
> time
> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
> Speaking
> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
> country
> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that a
> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
> > course :)
> >
> > I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have changed
> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
> > communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place to
> be
> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean
> that
> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
> > action now is over at GitHub.
> >
> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's
> perspective)
> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
> >
> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no
> interest
> > in
> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and rendering
> >facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot of
> > time
> >and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
> >- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
> >first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is
> very
> >important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that
> > this
> >technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out
> > because
> >it may solve them a number of problems.
> >- Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
> >experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials
> >- We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered
> marketplace
> >- in the context of show casing stuff.  If I remember correctly
> Darren's
> >team has already launched a project which is very similar to the
> iGoogle
> >web site so he could certainly provide some ideas.
> >- Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub
> in a
> >more agile and community oriented approach without any of the
> > bureaucratic
> >processes imposed by the Apache Foundation.  Once the 'monolith' is
> > broken
> >down into different projects then it would be more manageable and
> people
> >having certain skills could join forces
> >- By utilizing technologies like Docker there is no need for hosting
> >resources and sample material - we can bundle our examples, show
> cases,
> > etc
> >in self-sufficient Docker images and host them over @ DockerHub.  The
> >integration with GitHub is seamless so this is a no brainer
> >- Reach out to Atlassian, Jive and the rest of the companies who we
> know
> >for sure that they have invested a lot in this technology (and
> actively
> > use
> >it) to help with this effort - e.g. Atlassian has extended Shindig
> >container & engine to meet their requirements and they definitely have
> > devs
> >who 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Just to let you know

I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com

I can definitely share some working examples.

Cheers.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Raj,
>
> well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to say
> just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> i am ready.
>> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't
>> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
>>
>> This time i can help creating few html pages.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Raj
>>
>> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
>> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
>> > have come down to the following conclusion.
>> >
>> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the
>> shadows
>> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
>> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
>> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
>> > number of years now).
>> >
>> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with
>> many
>> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time
>> and
>> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if
>> things
>> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
>> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
>> > name is really interested any more.
>> >
>> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
>> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve
>> their
>> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can
>> totally
>> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same
>> time
>> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
>> Speaking
>> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
>> country
>> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that
>> a
>> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
>> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
>> > course :)
>> >
>> > I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have
>> changed
>> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
>> > communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place
>> to be
>> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean
>> that
>> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
>> > action now is over at GitHub.
>> >
>> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's
>> perspective)
>> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
>> >
>> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
>> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no
>> interest
>> > in
>> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and
>> rendering
>> >facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot
>> of
>> > time
>> >and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
>> >- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
>> >first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is
>> very
>> >important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that
>> > this
>> >technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out
>> > because
>> >it may solve them a number of problems.
>> >- Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
>> >experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials
>> >- We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered
>> marketplace
>> >- in the context of show casing stuff.  If I remember correctly
>> Darren's
>> >team has already launched a project which is very similar to the
>> iGoogle
>> >web site so he could certainly provide some ideas.
>> >- Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub
>> in a
>> >more agile and community oriented approach without any of the
>> > bureaucratic
>> >processes imposed by the Apache Foundation.  Once the 'monolith' is
>> > broken
>> >down into different projects then it would be more manageable and
>> people
>> >having certain skills could join forces
>> >- By utilizing technologies like Docker there is no need for hosting
>> >resources and sample material - we can bundle our examples, show
>> cases,
>> > etc
>> >in self-sufficient Docker images and 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Thats Great Site Darren.
Lets give new life to Shindig.

I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.

Regards, Raj

On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond  wrote:

> Hi Raj,
>
> We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
>
> Happy to share some experiences too.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Darren
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Raj Janorkar" >
> To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos"  >
> Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org "  >
> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
>
> Just to let you know
>
> I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
> something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
>
> I can definitely share some working examples.
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> > Hi Raj,
> >
> > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to say
> > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >> i am ready.
> >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but
> couldn't
> >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
> >>
> >> This time i can help creating few html pages.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Raj
> >>
> >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so
> far, I
> >> > have come down to the following conclusion.
> >> >
> >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the
> >> shadows
> >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
> >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
> >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for
> a
> >> > number of years now).
> >> >
> >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with
> >> many
> >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time
> >> and
> >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if
> >> things
> >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is
> that
> >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no
> big
> >> > name is really interested any more.
> >> >
> >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
> >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve
> >> their
> >> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can
> >> totally
> >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same
> >> time
> >> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
> >> Speaking
> >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
> >> country
> >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is
> that
> >> a
> >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better
> tomorrow.
> >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way
> of
> >> > course :)
> >> >
> >> > I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have
> >> changed
> >> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
> >> > communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place
> >> to be
> >> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean
> >> that
> >> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all
> the
> >> > action now is over at GitHub.
> >> >
> >> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's
> >> perspective)
> >> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
> >> >
> >> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct
> parts -
> >> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no
> >> interest
> >> > in
> >> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and
> >> rendering
> >> >facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot
> >> of
> >> > time
> >> >and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
> >> >- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
> >> >first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is
> >> very
> >> >important since we want to make a bold statement to communities
> that
> >> > this
> >> >technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out
> >> > because
> >> >it may solve them a number of problems.
> >> >- Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
> >> >experiences through 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Darren Bond]

Hi Raj,

We did the same and produced www.blueg.com

Happy to share some experiences too.

Kind regards,

Darren

- Reply message -
From: "Raj Janorkar" 
To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" 
Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org" 
Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM

Just to let you know

I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com

I can definitely share some working examples.

Cheers.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Raj,
>
> well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to say
> just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> i am ready.
>> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't
>> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
>>
>> This time i can help creating few html pages.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Raj
>>
>> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
>> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I
>> > have come down to the following conclusion.
>> >
>> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the
>> shadows
>> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
>> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like
>> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a
>> > number of years now).
>> >
>> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with
>> many
>> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time
>> and
>> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if
>> things
>> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that
>> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big
>> > name is really interested any more.
>> >
>> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the
>> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve
>> their
>> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can
>> totally
>> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same
>> time
>> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
>> Speaking
>> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
>> country
>> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that
>> a
>> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow.
>> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of
>> > course :)
>> >
>> > I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have
>> changed
>> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
>> > communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place
>> to be
>> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean
>> that
>> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all the
>> > action now is over at GitHub.
>> >
>> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's
>> perspective)
>> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
>> >
>> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts -
>> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no
>> interest
>> > in
>> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and
>> rendering
>> >facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot
>> of
>> > time
>> >and work on extending the OpenSocial features.
>> >- We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the
>> >first place (speaking for myself once more).  I think that this is
>> very
>> >important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that
>> > this
>> >technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out
>> > because
>> >it may solve them a number of problems.
>> >- Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our
>> >experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials
>> >- We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered
>> marketplace
>> >- in the context of show casing stuff.  If I remember correctly
>> Darren's
>> >team has already launched a project which is very similar to the
>> iGoogle
>> >web site so he could certainly provide some ideas.
>> >- Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub
>> in a
>> >more agile and community oriented approach without any of the
>> > bureaucratic
>> >processes imposed by the Apache Foundation.  

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

Hi Guys,

It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project!  I still need to go
through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I don't
see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project
elsewhere.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar  wrote:

> Thats Great Site Darren.
> Lets give new life to Shindig.
>
> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.
>
> Regards, Raj
>
> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond  wrote:
>
> > Hi Raj,
> >
> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
> >
> > Happy to share some experiences too.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > - Reply message -
> > From: "Raj Janorkar" >
> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos"  > >
> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org "  > >
> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
> >
> > Just to let you know
> >
> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
> >
> > I can definitely share some working examples.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Raj,
> > >
> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to
> say
> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar  > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Chris,
> > >> i am ready.
> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but
> > couldn't
> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
> > >>
> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Raj
> > >>
> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> >
> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so
> > far, I
> > >> > have come down to the following conclusion.
> > >> >
> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the
> > >> shadows
> > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating,
> > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company
> like
> > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project
> for
> > a
> > >> > number of years now).
> > >> >
> > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened
> with
> > >> many
> > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of
> time
> > >> and
> > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if
> > >> things
> > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is
> > that
> > >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no
> > big
> > >> > name is really interested any more.
> > >> >
> > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt
> the
> > >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve
> > >> their
> > >> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I can
> > >> totally
> > >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the
> same
> > >> time
> > >> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
> > >> Speaking
> > >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
> > >> country
> > >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is
> > that
> > >> a
> > >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better
> > tomorrow.
> > >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way
> > of
> > >> > course :)
> > >> >
> > >> > I think that now is the right time to make a change.  Things have
> > >> changed
> > >> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and
> > >> > communities.  Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the
> place
> > >> to be
> > >> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't
> mean
> > >> that
> > >> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies.  But all
> > the
> > >> > action now is over at GitHub.
> > >> >
> > >> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's
> > >> perspective)
> > >> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals:
> > >> >
> > >> >- We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct
> > parts -
> > >> >personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no
> > >> interest
> > >> > in
> > >> >them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and
> > >> rendering
> > >> >facilities.  But there are people like Rene who have 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Okay.

Thank you Ryan.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:

> Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here.  The board voted
> to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to
> happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes.  Then
> you can take the code and do what you please with the code.  At this point
> since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can do a
> release.
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ryan,
> >
> > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version
> > with all the changes done in since last release.
> >
> > What says?
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ryan,
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github.
> If
> > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single
> > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to
> > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in
> > different
> > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard to
> > > track and focus on.
> > >
> > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into
> > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to
> > github
> > > then we can do that way.
> > >
> > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others?
> > >
> > > Thank You.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Guys,
> > >>
> > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project!  I still need to
> go
> > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I
> > don't
> > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project
> > >> elsewhere.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Thats Great Site Darren.
> > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards, Raj
> > >>>
> > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Hi Raj,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Kind regards,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Darren
> > >>> >
> > >>> > - Reply message -
> > >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" >
> > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos"  > >>> > >
> > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " <
> dev@shindig.apache.org
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Just to let you know
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
> > >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I can definitely share some working examples.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Cheers.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > Hi Raj,
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have
> > to
> > >>> say
> > >>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Cheers
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar <
> > raj.janor...@gmail.com
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >> Hi Chris,
> > >>> > >> i am ready.
> > >>> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples
> but
> > >>> > couldn't
> > >>> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Regards,
> > >>> > >> Raj
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > >>> > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> > Hi all,
> > >>> > >> >
> > >>> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community
> > so
> > >>> > far, I
> > >>> > >> > have come down to the following conclusion.
> > >>> > >> >
> > >>> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working
> in
> > >>> the
> > >>> > >> shadows
> > >>> > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing,
> > >>> advocating,
> > >>> > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named
> > company
> > >>> like
> > >>> > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this
> > project
> > >>> for
> > >>> > a
> > >>> > >> > number of 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here.  The board voted
to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to
happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes.  Then
you can take the code and do what you please with the code.  At this point
since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can do a
release.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar  wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version
> with all the changes done in since last release.
>
> What says?
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ryan,
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github. If
> > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single
> > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to
> > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in
> different
> > places with different versions and customization which is very hard to
> > track and focus on.
> >
> > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into
> > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to
> github
> > then we can do that way.
> >
> > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others?
> >
> > Thank You.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project!  I still need to go
> >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I
> don't
> >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project
> >> elsewhere.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thats Great Site Darren.
> >>> Lets give new life to Shindig.
> >>>
> >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.
> >>>
> >>> Regards, Raj
> >>>
> >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hi Raj,
> >>> >
> >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
> >>> >
> >>> > Happy to share some experiences too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Kind regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > Darren
> >>> >
> >>> > - Reply message -
> >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" >
> >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos"  >>> > >
> >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org "  >>> > >
> >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
> >>> >
> >>> > Just to let you know
> >>> >
> >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
> >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
> >>> >
> >>> > I can definitely share some working examples.
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Hi Raj,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have
> to
> >>> say
> >>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cheers
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar <
> raj.janor...@gmail.com
> >>> > >
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> Hi Chris,
> >>> > >> i am ready.
> >>> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but
> >>> > couldn't
> >>> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Regards,
> >>> > >> Raj
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> >>> > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> > Hi all,
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community
> so
> >>> > far, I
> >>> > >> > have come down to the following conclusion.
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in
> >>> the
> >>> > >> shadows
> >>> > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing,
> >>> advocating,
> >>> > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named
> company
> >>> like
> >>> > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this
> project
> >>> for
> >>> > a
> >>> > >> > number of years now).
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened
> >>> with
> >>> > >> many
> >>> > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of
> >>> time
> >>> > >> and
> >>> > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and
> >>> if
> >>> > >> things
> >>> > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Hi Ryan,

Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version
with all the changes done in since last release.

What says?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar 
wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> Thank you.
>
> I think it would be good if we officially move this project to github. If
> not possible then put this project to attic and then just create single
> copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to
> concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in different
> places with different versions and customization which is very hard to
> track and focus on.
>
> If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it into
> github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to github
> then we can do that way.
>
> What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others?
>
> Thank You.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project!  I still need to go
>> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I don't
>> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thats Great Site Darren.
>>> Lets give new life to Shindig.
>>>
>>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.
>>>
>>> Regards, Raj
>>>
>>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Raj,
>>> >
>>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
>>> >
>>> > Happy to share some experiences too.
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards,
>>> >
>>> > Darren
>>> >
>>> > - Reply message -
>>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" >
>>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" >> > >
>>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " >> > >
>>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
>>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
>>> >
>>> > Just to let you know
>>> >
>>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn
>>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
>>> >
>>> > I can definitely share some working examples.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
>>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Raj,
>>> > >
>>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others have to
>>> say
>>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar >> > >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi Chris,
>>> > >> i am ready.
>>> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but
>>> > couldn't
>>> > >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This time i can help creating few html pages.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards,
>>> > >> Raj
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
>>> > >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > Hi all,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so
>>> > far, I
>>> > >> > have come down to the following conclusion.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in
>>> the
>>> > >> shadows
>>> > >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing,
>>> advocating,
>>> > >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company
>>> like
>>> > >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project
>>> for
>>> > a
>>> > >> > number of years now).
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened
>>> with
>>> > >> many
>>> > >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of
>>> time
>>> > >> and
>>> > >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and
>>> if
>>> > >> things
>>> > >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is
>>> > that
>>> > >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until
>>> no
>>> > big
>>> > >> > name is really interested any more.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt
>>> the
>>> > >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to
>>> serve
>>> > >> their
>>> > >> > purposes.  And this is exactly where we stand at the moment.  I
>>> can
>>> > >> totally
>>> > >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the
>>> same
>>> > >> time
>>> > >> > I get Ryan's point of view.  So how do we handle this situation?
>>> > >> Speaking
>>> > >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a
>>> > >> country
>>> > >> > that is in 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Chris Spiliotopoulos]

Raj,

I think rushing into things will just bring us to the same situation but at
a different location this time.

Let's just leave Ryan to do what he's been told to do and wait for others
input regarding the calls to action I suggested.  If we really want to make
a fresh start, then this should include a new perspective on things and
processes.

I can hardly agree with you regarding the monolith project - I think that
if someone wants to put a 'body tag' on this thing is to just leave it as
it is.  Let's just wait for others to give their feedback on the renaming
and splitting options and I'm sure that things will get clearer.

Regards,
Chris

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:16 AM Raj Janorkar  wrote:

> Okay.
>
> Thank you Ryan.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>
> > Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here.  The board
> voted
> > to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to
> > happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes.  Then
> > you can take the code and do what you please with the code.  At this
> point
> > since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can do
> a
> > release.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ryan,
> > >
> > > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL version
> > > with all the changes done in since last release.
> > >
> > > What says?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Ryan,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to
> github.
> > If
> > > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create
> single
> > > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community to
> > > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in
> > > different
> > > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard
> to
> > > > track and focus on.
> > > >
> > > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it
> into
> > > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to
> > > github
> > > > then we can do that way.
> > > >
> > > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others?
> > > >
> > > > Thank You.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Guys,
> > > >>
> > > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project!  I still need to
> > go
> > > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but I
> > > don't
> > > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new" project
> > > >> elsewhere.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar  >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thats Great Site Darren.
> > > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards, Raj
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond 
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Hi Raj,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Kind regards,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Darren
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > - Reply message -
> > > >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" >
> > > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos"  > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " <
> > dev@shindig.apache.org
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > > >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Just to let you know
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and
> learn
> > > >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I can definitely share some working examples.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Cheers.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > > >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > Hi Raj,
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's wait for what others
> have
> > > to
> > > >>> say
> > > >>> > > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Cheers
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar <
> > > raj.janor...@gmail.com
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >> Hi Chris,
> > > >>> > >> i am ready.
> > > >>> > >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples
> > but
> > > >>> > 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Okay Chris.

You are right we need proper planning before we do anything here.




On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Raj,
>
> I think rushing into things will just bring us to the same situation but at
> a different location this time.
>
> Let's just leave Ryan to do what he's been told to do and wait for others
> input regarding the calls to action I suggested.  If we really want to make
> a fresh start, then this should include a new perspective on things and
> processes.
>
> I can hardly agree with you regarding the monolith project - I think that
> if someone wants to put a 'body tag' on this thing is to just leave it as
> it is.  Let's just wait for others to give their feedback on the renaming
> and splitting options and I'm sure that things will get clearer.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:16 AM Raj Janorkar 
> wrote:
>
> > Okay.
> >
> > Thank you Ryan.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Raj, I need to check with the board about what to do here.  The board
> > voted
> > > to move the project to the attic so I have a feeling that will need to
> > > happen first to officially retire the project in the Apache's eyes.
> Then
> > > you can take the code and do what you please with the code.  At this
> > point
> > > since the project has officially been terminated I don't think we can
> do
> > a
> > > release.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:07 PM Raj Janorkar 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Ryan,
> > > >
> > > > Before moving to Github, It would be great to release the FINAL
> version
> > > > with all the changes done in since last release.
> > > >
> > > > What says?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Raj Janorkar <
> raj.janor...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ryan,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it would be good if we officially move this project to
> > github.
> > > If
> > > > > not possible then put this project to attic and then just create
> > single
> > > > > copy on github, so that we have one project for all dev community
> to
> > > > > concentrate on. Otherwise we will end up creating same project in
> > > > different
> > > > > places with different versions and customization which is very hard
> > to
> > > > > track and focus on.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you all okay i can checkout the project from apache and put it
> > into
> > > > > github, if there is way anybody know directly moving from apache to
> > > > github
> > > > > then we can do that way.
> > > > >
> > > > > What you think about this Ryan/Chris/Darren and all others?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank You.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Baxter  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Guys,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It is great to see your enthusiasm for the project!  I still need
> to
> > > go
> > > > >> through the process of moving the project to attic in Apache, but
> I
> > > > don't
> > > > >> see why you cant take the pieces you want and start a "new"
> project
> > > > >> elsewhere.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:07 PM Raj Janorkar <
> raj.janor...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Thats Great Site Darren.
> > > > >>> Lets give new life to Shindig.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I am sure there are so many other sites using shindig.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Regards, Raj
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Monday 9 November 2015, Darren Bond 
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > Hi Raj,
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Happy to share some experiences too.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Kind regards,
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Darren
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > - Reply message -
> > > > >>> > From: "Raj Janorkar" >
> > > > >>> > To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" <
> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org " <
> > > dev@shindig.apache.org
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > > > >>> > Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Just to let you know
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and
> > learn
> > > > >>> > something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I can definitely share some working examples.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Cheers.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > > > >>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > Hi Raj,
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > well I guess this makes 2 of us!  Let's 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ichiro Furusato]

Hi Ryan,

While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects
and
advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the
project has
folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals
(that
have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using
Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets.
With
the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will
likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use.

It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the
project. If the
project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of
online
delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that
decision
I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this
stage.

Sadly.

Cheers,

Ichiro

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:

> Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't
> continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than
> you should be able to continue to use it as is.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato 
> wrote:
>
> > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear
> of
> > the demise of what
> > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the
> > past nine months I have
> > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry
> > delivery platforms of the
> > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig
> > based site. Over the
> > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting
> > the next project
> > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and
> tell
> > them that the
> > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and
> we
> > will likewise now
> > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have
> > been quite happy
> > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward
> > to a robust
> > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
> > shiny new Gadget-based
> > solution.
> >
> > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry
> to
> > hear about it being
> > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
> > Apache but we were actively
> > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online
> weather
> > delivery solution.
> >
> > Ichiro
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> > >
> > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
> > report
> > > (below).
> > >
> > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and
> the
> > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
> > certainly
> > > be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> > >
> > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
> > keep
> > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message -
> > > From: Ryan Baxter 
> > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > > To: bo...@apache.org 
> > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
> > >
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
> > >  Attic; and
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> > > due to inactivity;
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
> > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
> > > Project; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
> > > hereby terminated; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
> > >
> >
>

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Very sad.
Such a beautiful product is going away. Does this mean social gadget
concept is going to die or already dead.

So many organisation currently using it. I think Ryan it will be good idea
to move it to github, apache trunk sucks (sorry), developer choice is
github. may be shindig will get new life there. (the problem is many people
dont know what is shindig, it is limited to implementer like google,
atlasian etc. mostly these organisation take copy of shindig and enhance it
to their needs and keep it with them.)

I think it's all because google terminated igoogle, microsoft terminated
my.msn, and all mobile apps everywhere.

Not sure whats going to happen in this space.

I am also worried about Apache RAVE.

Now there is nothing social there, i need to visit individual sites.

God knows when history will repeat itself.


On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ichiro Furusato 
wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects
> and
> advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the
> project has
> folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals
> (that
> have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using
> Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets.
> With
> the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will
> likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use.
>
> It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the
> project. If the
> project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of
> online
> delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that
> decision
> I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this
> stage.
>
> Sadly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ichiro
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>
> > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you
> can't
> > continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you
> than
> > you should be able to continue to use it as is.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato <
> ichiro.furus...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear
> > of
> > > the demise of what
> > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For
> the
> > > past nine months I have
> > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and
> industry
> > > delivery platforms of the
> > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a
> Liferay/Shindig
> > > based site. Over the
> > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently
> awaiting
> > > the next project
> > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and
> > tell
> > > them that the
> > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing,
> and
> > we
> > > will likewise now
> > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I
> have
> > > been quite happy
> > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked
> forward
> > > to a robust
> > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
> > > shiny new Gadget-based
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry
> > to
> > > hear about it being
> > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
> > > Apache but we were actively
> > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online
> > weather
> > > delivery solution.
> > >
> > > Ichiro
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have
> already
> > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
> > > report
> > > > (below).
> > > >
> > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and
> > the
> > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
> > > certainly
> > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
> > > keep
> > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.
> Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > -Ryan
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> > > >
> > > > -- Forwarded message -
> > > > From: Ryan Baxter 
> > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > > > To: bo...@apache.org 
> > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

I completely understand.  I can't speak to the continued support of vendors
who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just stop
supporting the products consuming Shindig.  I am sorry that this puts you
in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source software.
With no community willing to support and enhance the project there is not
much we can do.  If someone takes the code and the project regains life
somewhere else, that is great.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato 
wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and architects
> and
> advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if the
> project has
> folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy portals
> (that
> have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) using
> Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social Gadgets.
> With
> the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig will
> likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use.
>
> It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the
> project. If the
> project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of dollars of
> online
> delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for that
> decision
> I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use at this
> stage.
>
> Sadly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ichiro
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>
> > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you
> can't
> > continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you
> than
> > you should be able to continue to use it as is.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato <
> ichiro.furus...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear
> > of
> > > the demise of what
> > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For
> the
> > > past nine months I have
> > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and
> industry
> > > delivery platforms of the
> > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a
> Liferay/Shindig
> > > based site. Over the
> > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently
> awaiting
> > > the next project
> > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and
> > tell
> > > them that the
> > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing,
> and
> > we
> > > will likewise now
> > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I
> have
> > > been quite happy
> > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked
> forward
> > > to a robust
> > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
> > > shiny new Gadget-based
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry
> > to
> > > hear about it being
> > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
> > > Apache but we were actively
> > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online
> > weather
> > > delivery solution.
> > >
> > > Ichiro
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have
> already
> > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
> > > report
> > > > (below).
> > > >
> > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and
> > the
> > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
> > > certainly
> > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
> > > keep
> > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.
> Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > -Ryan
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> > > >
> > > > -- Forwarded message -
> > > > From: Ryan Baxter 
> > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > > > To: bo...@apache.org 
> > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
> > > >  Attic; and
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> > 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Darren Bond]

Dear All,

I'd like to second Ron's query relating to support. Our team successfully 
integrated Shindig some time ago but their skill-set does not extend to 
maintaining/extending (Java) Shindig itself. Would be interested to hear 
from anyone interested in doing so and/or supporting the project under 
GitHub or some other repository as permitted.

Kind regards,

Darren


 From: "Ron Wheeler" <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:35 PM
To: dev@shindig.apache.org
Subject: Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for 
enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features?

If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there 
individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis?

What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in 
light of the cessation of development?

Ron

On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote:
> Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you 
can't
> continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you 
than
> you should be able to continue to use it as is.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato 
<ichiro.furus...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear 
of
>> the demise of what
>> seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For 
the
>> past nine months I have
>> advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and 
industry
>> delivery platforms of the
>> Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a 
Liferay/Shindig
>> based site. Over the
>> past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently 
awaiting
>> the next project
>> funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and 
tell
>> them that the
>> basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and 
we
>> will likewise now
>> need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I 
have
>> been quite happy
>> with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked 
forward
>> to a robust
>> implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
>> shiny new Gadget-based
>> solution.
>>
>> Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry 
to
>> hear about it being
>> put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
>> Apache but we were actively
>> using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online 
weather
>> delivery solution.
>>
>> Ichiro
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@apache.org> 
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
>>>
>>> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
>>> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have 
already
>>> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
>> report
>>> (below).
>>>
>>> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
>>> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and 
the
>>> downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
>> certainly
>>> be seen in our reports to the board [1].
>>>
>>> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
>> keep
>>> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  
Thanks.
>>>
>>> -Ryan
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@apache.org>
>>> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
>>> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
>>> To: bo...@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>
>>> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org <priv...@shindig.apache.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
>>> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
>>>   Attic; and
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
>>> interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
>>> due to inactivity;
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
>>> project is hereby terminated; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
>>> oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
>>> Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
>>> hereby terminated; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
>>>

-- 
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ron Wheeler]

Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for 
enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features?


If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there 
individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis?


What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in 
light of the cessation of development?


Ron

On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote:

Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't
continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than
you should be able to continue to use it as is.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato 
wrote:


To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of
the demise of what
seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the
past nine months I have
advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry
delivery platforms of the
Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig
based site. Over the
past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting
the next project
funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell
them that the
basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we
will likewise now
need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have
been quite happy
with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward
to a robust
implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
shiny new Gadget-based
solution.

Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to
hear about it being
put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
Apache but we were actively
using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather
delivery solution.

Ichiro

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:


Hi fellow Shindig Devs,

I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board

report

(below).

As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the
downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can

certainly

be seen in our reports to the board [1].

If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to

keep

everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.

-Ryan

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ryan Baxter 
Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
To: bo...@apache.org 
Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 


WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
  Attic; and

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
due to inactivity;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
project is hereby terminated; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
hereby terminated; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.




--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

Ron, IMO the termination of the project is due to a lack of activity around
fixing bugs, making enhancements, and the termination of the OpenSocial
organization as well.  Most people, including myself, have moved on to
other projects and are no longer actively working in the OpenSocial/gadget
space.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:28 AM Ron Wheeler 
wrote:

> Is the inactivity due to absence of bugs and no suggestions for
> enhancements or no interest in fixing bugs or adding missing features?
>
> If an organization still wanted to use it but wanted support, are there
> individuals willing and able to provide support on a commercial basis?
>
> What are the other projects and products that depend on Shindig doing in
> light of the cessation of development?
>
> Ron
>
> On 04/11/2015 9:01 AM, Ryan Baxter wrote:
> > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you
> can't
> > continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you
> than
> > you should be able to continue to use it as is.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato <
> ichiro.furus...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear
> of
> >> the demise of what
> >> seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For
> the
> >> past nine months I have
> >> advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry
> >> delivery platforms of the
> >> Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a
> Liferay/Shindig
> >> based site. Over the
> >> past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting
> >> the next project
> >> funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and
> tell
> >> them that the
> >> basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing,
> and we
> >> will likewise now
> >> need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I
> have
> >> been quite happy
> >> with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked
> forward
> >> to a robust
> >> implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
> >> shiny new Gadget-based
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry
> to
> >> hear about it being
> >> put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
> >> Apache but we were actively
> >> using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online
> weather
> >> delivery solution.
> >>
> >> Ichiro
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> >>> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> >>> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
> >> report
> >>> (below).
> >>>
> >>> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> >>> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and
> the
> >>> downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
> >> certainly
> >>> be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
> >> keep
> >>> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> -Ryan
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> >>>
> >>> -- Forwarded message -
> >>> From: Ryan Baxter 
> >>> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> >>> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> >>> To: bo...@apache.org 
> >>> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> >>> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
> >>>   Attic; and
> >>>
> >>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> >>> interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> >>> due to inactivity;
> >>>
> >>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
> >>> project is hereby terminated; and be it further
> >>>
> >>> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> >>> oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
> >>> Project; and be it further
> >>>
> >>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
> >>> hereby terminated; and be it further
> >>>
> >>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
> >>>
>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>
>

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean you can't
continue to use it.  If it is stable enough as it is right now for you than
you should be able to continue to use it as is.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato 
wrote:

> To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of
> the demise of what
> seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the
> past nine months I have
> advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry
> delivery platforms of the
> Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig
> based site. Over the
> past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting
> the next project
> funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell
> them that the
> basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we
> will likewise now
> need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have
> been quite happy
> with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward
> to a robust
> implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
> shiny new Gadget-based
> solution.
>
> Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to
> hear about it being
> put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
> Apache but we were actively
> using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather
> delivery solution.
>
> Ichiro
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>
> > Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> >
> > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
> report
> > (below).
> >
> > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the
> > downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
> certainly
> > be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> >
> > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
> keep
> > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> >
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: Ryan Baxter 
> > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > To: bo...@apache.org 
> > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
> >  Attic; and
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> > due to inactivity;
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
> > project is hereby terminated; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
> > Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
> > hereby terminated; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
> >
>

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ichiro Furusato]

To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad to hear of
the demise of what
seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature project. For the
past nine months I have
advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and industry
delivery platforms of the
Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a Liferay/Shindig
based site. Over the
past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently awaiting
the next project
funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management team and tell
them that the
basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat embarrassing, and we
will likewise now
need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead designer I have
been quite happy
with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had looked forward
to a robust
implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service with a
shiny new Gadget-based
solution.

Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, very sorry to
hear about it being
put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev side at
Apache but we were actively
using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our online weather
delivery solution.

Ichiro

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:

> Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
>
> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report
> (below).
>
> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the
> downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can certainly
> be seen in our reports to the board [1].
>
> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep
> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
>
> -Ryan
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ryan Baxter 
> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> To: bo...@apache.org 
> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
>  Attic; and
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> due to inactivity;
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
> project is hereby terminated; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
> Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
> hereby terminated; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
>

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Henry Saputra]

I have met some good friends when working with Apache Shindig project.

Thanks all for the hard work and hope to see and work with you again
in other projects.

- Henry

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 6:24 AM, Raj Janorkar  wrote:
> Thank you all, really helpful.
>
> In worst scenario if it closed,
> then lets move it to github.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> thanks for the response - points taken.  Let's see what the future holds :)
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Chris, thanks for the very thoughtful email.  In general I agree with
>> > what you are saying.  Some more comments inline.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM Chris Spiliotopoulos <
>> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > instead of becoming emotional I prefer sharing some thoughts with
>> > everyone
>> > > in this thread.  Well, to be honest I think that everyone expected this
>> > to
>> > > happen at some point.  Of course not due to lack of support from the
>> dev
>> > > team - this had always been superb - but rather due to lack of
>> awareness
>> > > regarding this (IMHO) ground-breaking technology and I'm referring to
>> the
>> > > gadgets side of things.
>> > >
>> > > I've been using gadgets for quite a few years and I've managed to
>> > convince
>> > > people about the benefits of having a fully decoupled system with
>> > pluggable
>> > > apps either in-house or 3rd party.  Of course as I have stated in the
>> > past
>> > > this had always been a steep curve as very few people are aware of this
>> > > technology but in the end everybody would buy in after seeing the
>> > results.
>> > > During these years I have managed to 'tame the beast' as resources had
>> > > always been scattered and very few and eventually was able to put it to
>> > > work for producing great dashboard apps and in the future (I hope)
>> > > marketplaces as well.
>> > >
>> > > My personal feeling is that most of the people using Shindig for a long
>> > > time now are here for its gadget rendering capabilities and the
>> potential
>> > > it provides towards a fully decoupled architecture where app devs can
>> > work
>> > > independently from platform devs but eventually everything can work
>> > > together a a whole with minimum orchestration efforts.  This has been
>> my
>> > > personal experience so far anyways.  Having said that, I've always felt
>> > > that the Shindig project had always been to large / broad in
>> > functionality
>> > > lacking clearly not dev but rather promotional & awareness efforts.
>> > >
>> > > Another factor that always helped me rest assured in a way regarding
>> its
>> > > usefulness and future  is that major companies like Google, Atlassian
>> and
>> > > others with very popular products have also been using this technology
>> > as a
>> > > core component of their infrastructure until now.  Although Google who
>> > > open-sourced the tech seems that it progressively deprecates some of
>> > their
>> > > products who had major touch points with the gadgets spec, still keeps
>> it
>> > > alive in products like Gmail, Google apps, etc plus they have been
>> > hosting
>> > > the official Gadgets API site for a long time now.  One of the puzzling
>> > > questions though is why these companies (apart from the IBM people who
>> > kept
>> > > the project running) were never openly involved with the promotion and
>> > > support of the tech in order to reach broader audiences through
>> real-life
>> > > use cases?  Correct me if I'm wrong but I've come to the conclusion
>> that
>> > > these companies are maintaining probably ports of certain Shindig
>> > > components that have extended them in order to meet their requirements.
>> > > This is easy to speculate since reading the documentation of their
>> > products
>> > > shows clearly that there are extensions not supported by Shindig
>> > > out-of-the-box - once I had a chat with a guy working at Jive at the
>> time
>> > > and he told me that they wrote their own security layer around their
>> > gadget
>> > > containers.
>> >
>> >
>> > > I'll have to agree with Darren that due to the robustness of the
>> > framework
>> > > most integrators are more than ok with the standard features it has to
>> > > offer and therefore this might have caused the side-effect to the
>> > > maintainers to since there are no new requests / ticket activities then
>> > > this framework has fulfilled its purpose and has become out of fashion.
>> > I
>> > > personally think that gadget tech has a future and a lot to offer when
>> it
>> > > comes down to specific use cases - dashboards and marketplaces being a
>> > > couple for starters.  After I received this mail today morning, I had a
>> > > quick search on the web to see if there are any real alternatives but I
>> > > found none.  

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Chris Spiliotopoulos]

Hi all,

instead of becoming emotional I prefer sharing some thoughts with everyone
in this thread.  Well, to be honest I think that everyone expected this to
happen at some point.  Of course not due to lack of support from the dev
team - this had always been superb - but rather due to lack of awareness
regarding this (IMHO) ground-breaking technology and I'm referring to the
gadgets side of things.

I've been using gadgets for quite a few years and I've managed to convince
people about the benefits of having a fully decoupled system with pluggable
apps either in-house or 3rd party.  Of course as I have stated in the past
this had always been a steep curve as very few people are aware of this
technology but in the end everybody would buy in after seeing the results.
During these years I have managed to 'tame the beast' as resources had
always been scattered and very few and eventually was able to put it to
work for producing great dashboard apps and in the future (I hope)
marketplaces as well.

My personal feeling is that most of the people using Shindig for a long
time now are here for its gadget rendering capabilities and the potential
it provides towards a fully decoupled architecture where app devs can work
independently from platform devs but eventually everything can work
together a a whole with minimum orchestration efforts.  This has been my
personal experience so far anyways.  Having said that, I've always felt
that the Shindig project had always been to large / broad in functionality
lacking clearly not dev but rather promotional & awareness efforts.

Another factor that always helped me rest assured in a way regarding its
usefulness and future  is that major companies like Google, Atlassian and
others with very popular products have also been using this technology as a
core component of their infrastructure until now.  Although Google who
open-sourced the tech seems that it progressively deprecates some of their
products who had major touch points with the gadgets spec, still keeps it
alive in products like Gmail, Google apps, etc plus they have been hosting
the official Gadgets API site for a long time now.  One of the puzzling
questions though is why these companies (apart from the IBM people who kept
the project running) were never openly involved with the promotion and
support of the tech in order to reach broader audiences through real-life
use cases?  Correct me if I'm wrong but I've come to the conclusion that
these companies are maintaining probably ports of certain Shindig
components that have extended them in order to meet their requirements.
This is easy to speculate since reading the documentation of their products
shows clearly that there are extensions not supported by Shindig
out-of-the-box - once I had a chat with a guy working at Jive at the time
and he told me that they wrote their own security layer around their gadget
containers.

I'll have to agree with Darren that due to the robustness of the framework
most integrators are more than ok with the standard features it has to
offer and therefore this might have caused the side-effect to the
maintainers to since there are no new requests / ticket activities then
this framework has fulfilled its purpose and has become out of fashion.  I
personally think that gadget tech has a future and a lot to offer when it
comes down to specific use cases - dashboards and marketplaces being a
couple for starters.  After I received this mail today morning, I had a
quick search on the web to see if there are any real alternatives but I
found none.  Has the plug-n-play model on the web become old fashioned
then?  Are composable  web apps like dashboards coming to an end?  I don't
think so.

It would be really interesting to get in touch with the aforementioned
companies and ask them what are their plans regarding the infrastructure
they have invested on for years.  Will they be switching to something new?
Are they willing to port the project and maintain it under a different
perspective?

Having said all that my personal belief is that gadget technology deserves
a better luck through proper communication and reach to broader developer
audiences.  The only way I can see that happening is through a
modernization / revamp process of marketing / reference / tutorial material
and transfer to a more popular collaboration environment like GitHub.  My
personal experience for doing this sort of thing last year through the
standard Apache process led to a dead-end - I have nothing against formal
processes, but when things are more about bureaucracy and old-school stuff
rather than moving forward to the present then I start to lose interest.
On the other hand, if a bunch of us decided to do something very simple as
creating a Jekyll site on GitHub with a few tutorials and a number of
ready-to-use artifacts making use of new age techs like Docker containers
to start sharing our experiences then we would have more success I guess
reaching out to younger 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Thank you all, really helpful.

In worst scenario if it closed,
then lets move it to github.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> thanks for the response - points taken.  Let's see what the future holds :)
>
> Best regards
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, thanks for the very thoughtful email.  In general I agree with
> > what you are saying.  Some more comments inline.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> > chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > instead of becoming emotional I prefer sharing some thoughts with
> > everyone
> > > in this thread.  Well, to be honest I think that everyone expected this
> > to
> > > happen at some point.  Of course not due to lack of support from the
> dev
> > > team - this had always been superb - but rather due to lack of
> awareness
> > > regarding this (IMHO) ground-breaking technology and I'm referring to
> the
> > > gadgets side of things.
> > >
> > > I've been using gadgets for quite a few years and I've managed to
> > convince
> > > people about the benefits of having a fully decoupled system with
> > pluggable
> > > apps either in-house or 3rd party.  Of course as I have stated in the
> > past
> > > this had always been a steep curve as very few people are aware of this
> > > technology but in the end everybody would buy in after seeing the
> > results.
> > > During these years I have managed to 'tame the beast' as resources had
> > > always been scattered and very few and eventually was able to put it to
> > > work for producing great dashboard apps and in the future (I hope)
> > > marketplaces as well.
> > >
> > > My personal feeling is that most of the people using Shindig for a long
> > > time now are here for its gadget rendering capabilities and the
> potential
> > > it provides towards a fully decoupled architecture where app devs can
> > work
> > > independently from platform devs but eventually everything can work
> > > together a a whole with minimum orchestration efforts.  This has been
> my
> > > personal experience so far anyways.  Having said that, I've always felt
> > > that the Shindig project had always been to large / broad in
> > functionality
> > > lacking clearly not dev but rather promotional & awareness efforts.
> > >
> > > Another factor that always helped me rest assured in a way regarding
> its
> > > usefulness and future  is that major companies like Google, Atlassian
> and
> > > others with very popular products have also been using this technology
> > as a
> > > core component of their infrastructure until now.  Although Google who
> > > open-sourced the tech seems that it progressively deprecates some of
> > their
> > > products who had major touch points with the gadgets spec, still keeps
> it
> > > alive in products like Gmail, Google apps, etc plus they have been
> > hosting
> > > the official Gadgets API site for a long time now.  One of the puzzling
> > > questions though is why these companies (apart from the IBM people who
> > kept
> > > the project running) were never openly involved with the promotion and
> > > support of the tech in order to reach broader audiences through
> real-life
> > > use cases?  Correct me if I'm wrong but I've come to the conclusion
> that
> > > these companies are maintaining probably ports of certain Shindig
> > > components that have extended them in order to meet their requirements.
> > > This is easy to speculate since reading the documentation of their
> > products
> > > shows clearly that there are extensions not supported by Shindig
> > > out-of-the-box - once I had a chat with a guy working at Jive at the
> time
> > > and he told me that they wrote their own security layer around their
> > gadget
> > > containers.
> >
> >
> > > I'll have to agree with Darren that due to the robustness of the
> > framework
> > > most integrators are more than ok with the standard features it has to
> > > offer and therefore this might have caused the side-effect to the
> > > maintainers to since there are no new requests / ticket activities then
> > > this framework has fulfilled its purpose and has become out of fashion.
> > I
> > > personally think that gadget tech has a future and a lot to offer when
> it
> > > comes down to specific use cases - dashboards and marketplaces being a
> > > couple for starters.  After I received this mail today morning, I had a
> > > quick search on the web to see if there are any real alternatives but I
> > > found none.  Has the plug-n-play model on the web become old fashioned
> > > then?  Are composable  web apps like dashboards coming to an end?  I
> > don't
> > > think so.
> > >
> > > I have not seen anything else that is as robust as gadgets so far,
> > although I have heard some buzz around these things called "web
> components"
> > that sounded like they would do 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Chris Spiliotopoulos]

Hi Ryan,

thanks for the response - points taken.  Let's see what the future holds :)

Best regards

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:

> Hi Chris, thanks for the very thoughtful email.  In general I agree with
> what you are saying.  Some more comments inline.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM Chris Spiliotopoulos <
> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > instead of becoming emotional I prefer sharing some thoughts with
> everyone
> > in this thread.  Well, to be honest I think that everyone expected this
> to
> > happen at some point.  Of course not due to lack of support from the dev
> > team - this had always been superb - but rather due to lack of awareness
> > regarding this (IMHO) ground-breaking technology and I'm referring to the
> > gadgets side of things.
> >
> > I've been using gadgets for quite a few years and I've managed to
> convince
> > people about the benefits of having a fully decoupled system with
> pluggable
> > apps either in-house or 3rd party.  Of course as I have stated in the
> past
> > this had always been a steep curve as very few people are aware of this
> > technology but in the end everybody would buy in after seeing the
> results.
> > During these years I have managed to 'tame the beast' as resources had
> > always been scattered and very few and eventually was able to put it to
> > work for producing great dashboard apps and in the future (I hope)
> > marketplaces as well.
> >
> > My personal feeling is that most of the people using Shindig for a long
> > time now are here for its gadget rendering capabilities and the potential
> > it provides towards a fully decoupled architecture where app devs can
> work
> > independently from platform devs but eventually everything can work
> > together a a whole with minimum orchestration efforts.  This has been my
> > personal experience so far anyways.  Having said that, I've always felt
> > that the Shindig project had always been to large / broad in
> functionality
> > lacking clearly not dev but rather promotional & awareness efforts.
> >
> > Another factor that always helped me rest assured in a way regarding its
> > usefulness and future  is that major companies like Google, Atlassian and
> > others with very popular products have also been using this technology
> as a
> > core component of their infrastructure until now.  Although Google who
> > open-sourced the tech seems that it progressively deprecates some of
> their
> > products who had major touch points with the gadgets spec, still keeps it
> > alive in products like Gmail, Google apps, etc plus they have been
> hosting
> > the official Gadgets API site for a long time now.  One of the puzzling
> > questions though is why these companies (apart from the IBM people who
> kept
> > the project running) were never openly involved with the promotion and
> > support of the tech in order to reach broader audiences through real-life
> > use cases?  Correct me if I'm wrong but I've come to the conclusion that
> > these companies are maintaining probably ports of certain Shindig
> > components that have extended them in order to meet their requirements.
> > This is easy to speculate since reading the documentation of their
> products
> > shows clearly that there are extensions not supported by Shindig
> > out-of-the-box - once I had a chat with a guy working at Jive at the time
> > and he told me that they wrote their own security layer around their
> gadget
> > containers.
>
>
> > I'll have to agree with Darren that due to the robustness of the
> framework
> > most integrators are more than ok with the standard features it has to
> > offer and therefore this might have caused the side-effect to the
> > maintainers to since there are no new requests / ticket activities then
> > this framework has fulfilled its purpose and has become out of fashion.
> I
> > personally think that gadget tech has a future and a lot to offer when it
> > comes down to specific use cases - dashboards and marketplaces being a
> > couple for starters.  After I received this mail today morning, I had a
> > quick search on the web to see if there are any real alternatives but I
> > found none.  Has the plug-n-play model on the web become old fashioned
> > then?  Are composable  web apps like dashboards coming to an end?  I
> don't
> > think so.
> >
> > I have not seen anything else that is as robust as gadgets so far,
> although I have heard some buzz around these things called "web components"
> that sounded like they would do something similar.  I never really looked
> into it though.  I think gadgets are still the best choice when it comes to
> allowing 3rd party apps to be integrated into a platform.
>
>
> > It would be really interesting to get in touch with the aforementioned
> > companies and ask them what are their plans regarding the infrastructure
> > they have invested on for years.  Will they be switching to something
> new?

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

Hi Chris, thanks for the very thoughtful email.  In general I agree with
what you are saying.  Some more comments inline.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:54 AM Chris Spiliotopoulos <
chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> instead of becoming emotional I prefer sharing some thoughts with everyone
> in this thread.  Well, to be honest I think that everyone expected this to
> happen at some point.  Of course not due to lack of support from the dev
> team - this had always been superb - but rather due to lack of awareness
> regarding this (IMHO) ground-breaking technology and I'm referring to the
> gadgets side of things.
>
> I've been using gadgets for quite a few years and I've managed to convince
> people about the benefits of having a fully decoupled system with pluggable
> apps either in-house or 3rd party.  Of course as I have stated in the past
> this had always been a steep curve as very few people are aware of this
> technology but in the end everybody would buy in after seeing the results.
> During these years I have managed to 'tame the beast' as resources had
> always been scattered and very few and eventually was able to put it to
> work for producing great dashboard apps and in the future (I hope)
> marketplaces as well.
>
> My personal feeling is that most of the people using Shindig for a long
> time now are here for its gadget rendering capabilities and the potential
> it provides towards a fully decoupled architecture where app devs can work
> independently from platform devs but eventually everything can work
> together a a whole with minimum orchestration efforts.  This has been my
> personal experience so far anyways.  Having said that, I've always felt
> that the Shindig project had always been to large / broad in functionality
> lacking clearly not dev but rather promotional & awareness efforts.
>
> Another factor that always helped me rest assured in a way regarding its
> usefulness and future  is that major companies like Google, Atlassian and
> others with very popular products have also been using this technology as a
> core component of their infrastructure until now.  Although Google who
> open-sourced the tech seems that it progressively deprecates some of their
> products who had major touch points with the gadgets spec, still keeps it
> alive in products like Gmail, Google apps, etc plus they have been hosting
> the official Gadgets API site for a long time now.  One of the puzzling
> questions though is why these companies (apart from the IBM people who kept
> the project running) were never openly involved with the promotion and
> support of the tech in order to reach broader audiences through real-life
> use cases?  Correct me if I'm wrong but I've come to the conclusion that
> these companies are maintaining probably ports of certain Shindig
> components that have extended them in order to meet their requirements.
> This is easy to speculate since reading the documentation of their products
> shows clearly that there are extensions not supported by Shindig
> out-of-the-box - once I had a chat with a guy working at Jive at the time
> and he told me that they wrote their own security layer around their gadget
> containers.


> I'll have to agree with Darren that due to the robustness of the framework
> most integrators are more than ok with the standard features it has to
> offer and therefore this might have caused the side-effect to the
> maintainers to since there are no new requests / ticket activities then
> this framework has fulfilled its purpose and has become out of fashion.  I
> personally think that gadget tech has a future and a lot to offer when it
> comes down to specific use cases - dashboards and marketplaces being a
> couple for starters.  After I received this mail today morning, I had a
> quick search on the web to see if there are any real alternatives but I
> found none.  Has the plug-n-play model on the web become old fashioned
> then?  Are composable  web apps like dashboards coming to an end?  I don't
> think so.
>
> I have not seen anything else that is as robust as gadgets so far,
although I have heard some buzz around these things called "web components"
that sounded like they would do something similar.  I never really looked
into it though.  I think gadgets are still the best choice when it comes to
allowing 3rd party apps to be integrated into a platform.


> It would be really interesting to get in touch with the aforementioned
> companies and ask them what are their plans regarding the infrastructure
> they have invested on for years.  Will they be switching to something new?
> Are they willing to port the project and maintain it under a different
> perspective?
>
There are certainly a number of companies that have consumed Shindig and
used it in well established products that won't be going away any time
soon.  Some have chosen to fork the code base, others have not.  And you
are right most that have consumed the technology 

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Raj Janorkar]

Hi Ryan,

This is really sad news.
I am really thankful of your and dev team support you all helped me lot.

As Darren Said Shindig is very much stable and i dont see any isues at the
moment.

Just one thing i can see so many bug fixed since last release. So will
there be final release Ryan? If you can that would be great and may be your
last favour to all of us and your loved baby Shindig.

I dont see any future of apache rave either, people are so busy switching
between millions of apps on their iphone. so no gadgets based sites are
their interest But history repeats itself.

lets see what comes next.

Thank you


On Thursday 8 October 2015, Darren Bond  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of several of
> our very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does exactly
> what it should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly the
> reason for the lack of user support requests!
>
> You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back in
> 2014 and we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig!
>
> Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing the
> project - we truly value what you have created and will continue its use
> well into the future.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Darren
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org ]
> Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32
> To: dev@shindig.apache.org 
> Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
>
> Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
>
> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report
> (below).
>
> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the
> downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can certainly
> be seen in our reports to the board [1].
>
> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep
> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
>
> -Ryan
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ryan Baxter >
> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> To: bo...@apache.org  >
> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org   >
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the  Attic;
> and
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest of
> the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity;
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby
> terminated; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over
> the software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby
> terminated; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
>
>
>

RE: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Darren Bond]

Dear All,

This is very sad news indeed. Apache Shindig is at the core of several of our 
very popular sites - we consider it a mature product that does exactly what it 
should, and does it very well indeed. Perhaps that's partly the reason for the 
lack of user support requests!

You, the dev team, kindly helped us resolve a number of issues back in 2014 and 
we've never looked back since - we love Apache Shindig!

Thank you for all your commitment, love, sweat and tears developing the project 
- we truly value what you have created and will continue its use well into the 
future.

Kind regards,

Darren


-Original Message-
From: Ryan Baxter [mailto:rbaxte...@apache.org] 
Sent: 07 October 2015 19:32
To: dev@shindig.apache.org
Subject: Fwd: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

Hi fellow Shindig Devs,

I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to terminate 
the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already informed the 
Apache board about the termination in this months board report (below).

As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in participation in 
all aspects of the project over the past months and the downward trend has been 
happening for over a year now.  This can certainly be seen in our reports to 
the board [1].

If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep 
everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.

-Ryan

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ryan Baxter 
Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
To: bo...@apache.org 
Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 


WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory project 
has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the  Attic; and

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best interest of the 
Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project due to inactivity;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig project is hereby 
terminated; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with oversight over the 
software developed by the Apache Shindig Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is hereby 
terminated; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Davies,Douglas]

Super big frowny face.

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
> 
> Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> 
> I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board report
> (below).
> 
> As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the
> downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can certainly
> be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> 
> If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to keep
> everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
> 
> -Ryan
> 
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> 
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ryan Baxter 
> Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> To: bo...@apache.org 
> Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
> 
> 
> WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
> Attic; and
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> due to inactivity;
> 
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
> project is hereby terminated; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
> Project; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
> hereby terminated; and be it further
> 
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.

Re: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project

[Ryan Baxter]

Doug, I share your sadness, it was fun while it lasted.  We appreciate all
your work!
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:56 PM Davies,Douglas  wrote:

> Super big frowny face.
>
> > On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Ryan Baxter  wrote:
> >
> > Hi fellow Shindig Devs,
> >
> > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has voted to
> > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic.  I have already
> > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months board
> report
> > (below).
> >
> > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in
> > participation in all aspects of the project over the past months and the
> > downward trend has been happening for over a year now.  This can
> certainly
> > be seen in our reports to the board [1].
> >
> > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be sure to
> keep
> > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic.  Thanks.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports
> >
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: Ryan Baxter 
> > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM
> > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project
> > To: bo...@apache.org 
> > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org 
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache DirectMemory
> > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to the
> > Attic; and
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best
> > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig project
> > due to inactivity;
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig
> > project is hereby terminated; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig
> > Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" is
> > hereby terminated; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated.
>
>