Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
Martin, of course you are right. In the next days I will go to move the two deprecated plugins (codebehind and dojo) to the archive. What happens with the Wiki Pages? Johannes - web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep -- View this message in context: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Move-deprecated-plugins-to-archive-tp4528259p4599742.html Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
RE: [struts-dev] Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
-Original Message- From: Dave Newton [mailto:davelnew...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 20:25 To: Struts Developers List Subject: [struts-dev] Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dale Newfield d...@newfield.org wrote: On 6/27/11 10:09 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: I vote leave dojo as un-deprecated Too late. It's been deprecated since the first 2.1 release, and that conversation happened nearly 3 ago: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-Deprecate-or-remove-Dojo- plugin-td3535027.html This conversation is not about whether or not it should be deprecated, but whether or not it should be excised from the first 2.3 release. No, it should stay, otherwise it would break an upgrade path for many apps. If this was a 3.0 release then that would be a different story. If there was a previously ship alternative, again a different story. In short there is no upgrade path. IMO it's borderline negligent to be shipping such an old version of Dojo anyway. Hey Martin, perhaps you'll donate an updated version of the Dojo tags and maintain them--those seemed to be the sticking points when we made the decision in the first place. If help is needed... Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
RE: [struts-dev] Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
On Jul 18, 2011 2:34 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote: IMO it's borderline negligent to be shipping such an old version of Dojo anyway. Hey Martin, perhaps you'll donate an updated version of the Dojo tags and maintain them--those seemed to be the sticking points when we made the decision in the first place. If help is needed... If help is needed what? This Dojo plugin thing has lingered for years, and it was deprecated for good reasons. Dave
RE: [struts-dev] Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
i was moving in to mobile-apps when jason rang the dojo bell.. upgrading dojo is real work...Attach Points to DOM..event handlers and dealing with descriptive JavaScript objects that are named '1a' then a macro language to populate the values from request..so 1)alot of work .. 2)bountiful criticism .. 3)little (or no) pay but the payback is pulling in Dojo clients...(so the effort could be justified) I wished Antonio would chime in but I think he has summer off..? WDYT? Martin _ Disclaimer goes here From: jpye...@pdinc.us To: dev@struts.apache.org Subject: RE: [struts-dev] Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:36:24 -0400 -Original Message- From: Dave Newton [mailto:davelnew...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 20:25 To: Struts Developers List Subject: [struts-dev] Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dale Newfield d...@newfield.org wrote: On 6/27/11 10:09 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: I vote leave dojo as un-deprecated Too late. It's been deprecated since the first 2.1 release, and that conversation happened nearly 3 ago: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-Deprecate-or-remove-Dojo- plugin-td3535027.html This conversation is not about whether or not it should be deprecated, but whether or not it should be excised from the first 2.3 release. No, it should stay, otherwise it would break an upgrade path for many apps. If this was a 3.0 release then that would be a different story. If there was a previously ship alternative, again a different story. In short there is no upgrade path. IMO it's borderline negligent to be shipping such an old version of Dojo anyway. Hey Martin, perhaps you'll donate an updated version of the Dojo tags and maintain them--those seemed to be the sticking points when we made the decision in the first place. If help is needed... Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Jason Pyeron PD Inc. http://www.pdinc.us - - Principal Consultant 10 West 24th Street #100- - +1 (443) 269-1555 x333Baltimore, Maryland 21218 - - - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This message is copyright PD Inc, subject to license 20080407P00. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org wrote: What about further development as a plugin outside of the Struts Project? We can create a project at Google Code or Github like the jQuery Plugin. Who is we? If we is a group of Struts committers, why would we take the code somewhere else, rather than working on it where it is now? If we isn't Struts committers, then they can take the code and do what they will with it, under the terms of the Apache License. The caveat in the latter case is if there is an intent to bring the code back to the ASF later. In that case, there just needs to be an assurance of code provenance when it comes back (e.g. an iCLA mechanism), and then it would need to go through a software grant or some such process to bring it back in. Before someone goes off and creates a separate project, though, it'd be interesting to hear why we think contributors will appear if the project is elsewhere, when they have not done so here for the last several years. (Or am I mistaken and we do have patches attached that are not being applied?) -- Martin Cooper Johannes - web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep -- View this message in context: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Move-deprecated-plugins-to-archive-tp4528259p4538454.html Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
What about further development as a plugin outside of the Struts Project? We can create a project at Google Code or Github like the jQuery Plugin. Johannes - web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep -- View this message in context: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Move-deprecated-plugins-to-archive-tp4528259p4538454.html Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
We had discussed that as well at one point; there was some pushback. I don't have a problem with it, and I don't recall off the top of my head what the issue(s) were. Dave On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org wrote: What about further development as a plugin outside of the Struts Project? We can create a project at Google Code or Github like the jQuery Plugin. Johannes - web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep -- View this message in context: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Move-deprecated-plugins-to-archive-tp4528259p4538454.html Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
On 6/27/11 10:09 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: I vote leave dojo as un-deprecated Too late. It's been deprecated since the first 2.1 release, and that conversation happened nearly 3 ago: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-Deprecate-or-remove-Dojo-plugin-td3535027.html This conversation is not about whether or not it should be deprecated, but whether or not it should be excised from the first 2.3 release. -Dale - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dale Newfield d...@newfield.org wrote: On 6/27/11 10:09 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: I vote leave dojo as un-deprecated Too late. It's been deprecated since the first 2.1 release, and that conversation happened nearly 3 ago: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-Deprecate-or-remove-Dojo-plugin-td3535027.html This conversation is not about whether or not it should be deprecated, but whether or not it should be excised from the first 2.3 release. IMO it's borderline negligent to be shipping such an old version of Dojo anyway. Hey Martin, perhaps you'll donate an updated version of the Dojo tags and maintain them--those seemed to be the sticking points when we made the decision in the first place. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Move deprecated plugins to archive
What you all think about moving deprecated plugins to archive for the 2.3 release? I think especially the codebehind plugin confuses the user and should be moved to the archive. Johannes - web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep -- View this message in context: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Move-deprecated-plugins-to-archive-tp4528259p4528259.html Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
And Dojo, if it isn't already moved. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org wrote: What you all think about moving deprecated plugins to archive for the 2.3 release? I think especially the codebehind plugin confuses the user and should be moved to the archive. Johannes - web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep -- View this message in context: http://struts.1045723.n5.nabble.com/Move-deprecated-plugins-to-archive-tp4528259p4528259.html Sent from the Struts - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
On 6/27/11 9:02 AM, Johannes Geppert wrote: What you all think about moving deprecated plugins to archive for the 2.3 release? And the Dojo plugin... -Dale - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
Do we need a Vote for that as well ? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Warszawa JUG conference - Confitura http://confitura.pl/ 2011/6/27 Dale Newfield d...@newfield.org: On 6/27/11 9:02 AM, Johannes Geppert wrote: What you all think about moving deprecated plugins to archive for the 2.3 release? And the Dojo plugin... -Dale - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
Re: Move deprecated plugins to archive
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Do we need a Vote for that as well ? Good question. As far as I recall, and as far as I can determine, previous moves to the archive have been by lazy consensus. Thus as long as nobody's objecting here, we can go ahead and do the same thing. IMHO, as long as we have at least one regular dot release in which something is deprecated, it's reasonable to remove it in a subsequent dot release. -- Martin Cooper Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Warszawa JUG conference - Confitura http://confitura.pl/ 2011/6/27 Dale Newfield d...@newfield.org: On 6/27/11 9:02 AM, Johannes Geppert wrote: What you all think about moving deprecated plugins to archive for the 2.3 release? And the Dojo plugin... -Dale - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
