Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Pickfire]

Aditya Goturu  wrote:

> Why don't you have a peak at that date
>
>
> On 04/02/2017 09:56 AM, Pickfire wrote:
> > Aditya Goturu  wrote:
> >
> >> As we know, the greatest weakness of suckless apps is their dependence on 
> >> bloated build systems like make.
> >>
> >> I tried porting to to gnu autotools, but while it helped, it still needed 
> >> work.
> >>
> >> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system 
> >> immediately. We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern 
> >> languages like C# or Java.
> >>
> >> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
> >> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace 
> >> IRC with slack.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Aditya
> > What? Are you sure that you are in the right place?

Hehe, just noticed it. It's too late...

Blame the time zone, I am far in the future. :D

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Aditya Goturu]

Why don't you have a peak at that date


On 04/02/2017 09:56 AM, Pickfire wrote:
> Aditya Goturu  wrote:
>
>> As we know, the greatest weakness of suckless apps is their dependence on 
>> bloated build systems like make.
>>
>> I tried porting to to gnu autotools, but while it helped, it still needed 
>> work.
>>
>> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
>> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
>> Java.
>>
>> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
>> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace 
>> IRC with slack.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Aditya
> What? Are you sure that you are in the right place?

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Pickfire]

Aditya Goturu  wrote:

> As we know, the greatest weakness of suckless apps is their dependence on 
> bloated build systems like make.
>
> I tried porting to to gnu autotools, but while it helped, it still needed 
> work.
>
> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
> Java.
>
> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace IRC 
> with slack.
>
> Thanks
> Aditya

What? Are you sure that you are in the right place?

Re: [dev] farewell

[Cág]

Hiltjo Posthuma wrote:
 
> RIP sweet prince. Your small patches (0 lines) will be missed.

Legend says, hiro is Theo that condescended to us, mere mortals, to teach
us wisdom, to pass on knowledge and wit. Thou shalt hail hiro.

-- 
caóc

Re: [dev][all] Hello

[Silvan Jegen]

Hi Lennart

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 03:28:41PM +0530, Lennart Poeterring wrote:
> As some of you may know, there has been some discussion within the
> suckless project to bring in external talent to help improve the
> condition of the programs. As a result of this management discussion,
> the project has hired me, Lennart Poettering, after witnessing my
> wonderful work on lightweight, minimalistic and simplifying projects
> such as systemd and pulseaudio.
>
> I am willing to work with your highly bloated systems and help
> make them compatible with more systems, enable systemd integration
> (eventually they will be a part of systemd) while also promoting the
> use of superior software development techniques, such as forcing your
> project to become a dependency of another, to further its use (my
> marketing team came up with that).  Especially useful when a simple
> patch can reverse that dependency still works 5 years down the line.

Many thanks for supporting us! We all look up to you and your magnus opus!

I have a great idea for a first project already! You could start by
integrating 'st' into systemd, tightly couple them with each other so
that none of them can be used without each other and making sure that
we depend on DBus as well. Because of the incompatibility with the old
'st' I think we should rename the systemd-integrated version of 'st' to
'STD'. What do you think???


Cheers,

Silvan

Re: [dev] Re: Digest of dev@suckless.org issue 521 (26105-26154)

[Finn O'leary]

no you

On 2017-03-29 4:03 pm, Jordan Pisaniello wrote:

Fuck off


On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:00 AM, dev+h...@suckless.org wrote:

Topics (messages 26105 through 26154):

[dev] Surf update
 26105 - Nick 

[dev] [ask] search binary file offset in file
 26106 - Amer 

[dev] [ask] search binary file offset in file
 26107 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [ask] search binary file offset in file
 26108 - Amer 

[dev] [ask] search binary file offset in file
 26109 - Carlos Torres 

[dev] [announce] ff2sixel: view farbfeld images in terminal
 26110 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [announce] ff2sixel: view farbfeld images in terminal
 26111 - Amer 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 1/2] Fix commented out code
 26112 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26113 - Alexander Krotov 
 26115 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [announce] ff2sixel: view farbfeld images in terminal
 26114 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [ANNOUNCE] vis-0.3 with structural regexp support
 26116 - Marc André Tanner 

[dev] [announce] ff2sixel: view farbfeld images in terminal
 26117 - hiro <23h...@gmail.com>

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26118 - Laslo Hunhold 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26119 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26120 - Cág 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26121 - Laslo Hunhold 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26122 - Cág 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26123 - hiro <23h...@gmail.com>

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26124 - ilf 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26125 - hiro <23h...@gmail.com>

[dev] [slock] 1.4 no longer working on freebsd with ldap/kerberos
 26126 - Andrew Cobaugh 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26127 - Anselm R Garbe 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26128 - Josuah Demangeon 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26129 - Amadeusz Żołnowski 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26130 - Laslo Hunhold 

[dev] [slock] 1.4 no longer working on freebsd with ldap/kerberos
 26131 - Markus Teich 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26132 - Quentin Rameau 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26133 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] oasis: small linux system inspired by stali
 26134 - Marc André Tanner 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26135 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [slock] 1.4 no longer working on freebsd with ldap/kerberos
 26136 - Andrew Cobaugh 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26137 - Laslo Hunhold 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26138 - Britton Kerin 

[dev] [slock] 1.4 no longer working on freebsd with ldap/kerberos
 26139 - Markus Teich 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26140 - Alexander Krotov 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26141 - Josuah Demangeon 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26142 - Josuah Demangeon 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26143 - Greg Reagle 

[dev] oasis: small linux system inspired by stali
 26144 - Michael Forney 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26145 - Anselm R Garbe 

[dev] [st] [PATCH 2/2] Keep end of lines in memory when resizing 
terminal

 26146 - Quentin Rameau 

[dev] oasis: small linux system inspired by stali
 26147 - Kamil Cholewiński 

Re: [dev] farewell

[Hiltjo Posthuma]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 12:13:12PM +0200, hiro wrote:
> i finally decided to leave this community so that you can concentrate
> on development.
> 

RIP sweet prince. Your small patches (0 lines) will be missed.

-- 
Kind regards,
Hiltjo

Re: [dev][all] Hello

[sylvain . bertrand]

Lennart,

I have to thank you. Yes, I have to.

You are the genius who did save us all: you found *THE* way to keep going with
corporate/developer lock-in in an open source world. Bill is jealous, he told
me: "wow, this guy showed me that we can be nasty even with open source code
and keep control on the code, don't need code secrecy anymore, hurray!"

The disguting bloat/kludge way to scare any potential competing devs away...
wonderfull...  and for lambda developers you even appear as a coding god! So
sweet.

But you did not got far enough, coze some are beating you now: they use c++ and
java. Look: harfbuzz, webkit/blink, gecko, llvm, android. Even your friends at
gcc steering commity decided to go the c++ way and turn gcc in a massive
object-oriented brain fuckage (they want to beat and do worse than llvm).

Again, the world thanks you for your amazing work. And you are right:
nobody should complain, it's free!

-- 
Sylvain

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[sylvain . bertrand]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 03:05:17PM +0530, Aditya Goturu wrote:
> Yes, I have considered yahoo groups. It will also allow us to view
> similar intellectually challenging questions on the same page, such as
> 'how is babby formed'.

Good idea. Yahoo people are really competent: they have resisted the IPv6
hipster trend on their email mx servers, we are in 2017. Amazing resistance!

-- 
Sylvain

Re: [dev][all] Hello

[Markus Teich]

Lennart Poeterring wrote:
> …

Greetings Lennart,

you seem to have misspelled your last name. Also, stop talking, send patches!

I wish you have the loveliest of days!
--Markus

Re: [dev][all] Hello

[Martin Kühne]

How is your project to grow a beard so you look older than 12 coming along?

cheers!
mar77i

Re: [dev][all] Hello

[Jens Nyberg]

2017-04-01 11:58 GMT+02:00 Lennart Poeterring :
> Hi,
> As some of you may know, there has been some discussion within the
> suckless project to bring in external talent to help improve the
> condition of the programs. As a result of this management discussion,
> the project has hired me, Lennart Poettering, after witnessing my
> wonderful work on lightweight, minimalistic and simplifying projects
> such as systemd and pulseaudio. I am willing to work with your highly
> bloated systems and help make them compatible with more systems,
> enable systemd integration (eventually they will be a part of systemd)
> while also promoting the use of superior software development
> techniques, such as forcing your project to become a dependency of
> another, to further its use (my marketing team came up with that).
> Especially useful when a simple patch can reverse that dependency
> still works 5 years down the line.
>
> My plan will for fixing the suckless project also involves porting
> most of the code to a high level language where it can be expressed as
> abstractions, such as Microsoft Powershell. Another major step
> includes using docker containers to build and distribute the binaries
> for all suckless projects.
>
> Thanks for inviting me to join this project
>
> -
>
> Lennart
>

No thank you Lennart! I am so happy you are joining. You are exactly
what has been missing in my life. A father figure. A true visionary.

[dev] farewell

[hiro]

i finally decided to leave this community so that you can concentrate
on development.

[dev][all] Hello

[Lennart Poeterring]

Hi,
As some of you may know, there has been some discussion within the
suckless project to bring in external talent to help improve the
condition of the programs. As a result of this management discussion,
the project has hired me, Lennart Poettering, after witnessing my
wonderful work on lightweight, minimalistic and simplifying projects
such as systemd and pulseaudio. I am willing to work with your highly
bloated systems and help make them compatible with more systems,
enable systemd integration (eventually they will be a part of systemd)
while also promoting the use of superior software development
techniques, such as forcing your project to become a dependency of
another, to further its use (my marketing team came up with that).
Especially useful when a simple patch can reverse that dependency
still works 5 years down the line.

My plan will for fixing the suckless project also involves porting
most of the code to a high level language where it can be expressed as
abstractions, such as Microsoft Powershell. Another major step
includes using docker containers to build and distribute the binaries
for all suckless projects.

Thanks for inviting me to join this project

-

Lennart

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Aditya Goturu]

On 04/01/2017 03:03 PM, David Phillips wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:46:36PM +0530, Aditya Goturu wrote:
>> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
>> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
>> Java.
> Have you seen FRIGN's efforts on porting sbase to Java [1] ?
> Perhaps you could collaborate with him on this.
I have been considering this, and realized that as Java is a very weak
VM, and we are better off implementing C# on a VAX11/70 virtual machine.
>> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
>> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace 
>> IRC with slack.
> I prefer Yahoo! Groups. It's clean, tidy, and minimalist.
>
>> Thanks
>> Aditya
> Cheers!
> David
>
> [1]: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1404/20654.html

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Aditya Goturu]

Yes, I have considered yahoo groups. It will also allow us to view
similar intellectually challenging questions on the same page, such as
'how is babby formed'.


On 04/01/2017 03:03 PM, David Phillips wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:46:36PM +0530, Aditya Goturu wrote:
>> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
>> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
>> Java.
> Have you seen FRIGN's efforts on porting sbase to Java [1] ?
> Perhaps you could collaborate with him on this.
>
>> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
>> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace 
>> IRC with slack.
> I prefer Yahoo! Groups. It's clean, tidy, and minimalist.
>
>> Thanks
>> Aditya
> Cheers!
> David
>
> [1]: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1404/20654.html

Re: [dev] [slock] [PATCH] Add option to show the password on the screen

[ssd]

* David Phillips 2017-04-01 06:42
> With slock's current behaviour, the user can become frustrated when they
> suspect that they have made a typo in their password and are unable to
> remember how many times to hit the backspace key to correct it. This patch

Now that I see the date of the mail: this patch is brilliant!

--s

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[David Phillips]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:46:36PM +0530, Aditya Goturu wrote:
> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
> Java.

Have you seen FRIGN's efforts on porting sbase to Java [1] ?
Perhaps you could collaborate with him on this.

> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace IRC 
> with slack.

I prefer Yahoo! Groups. It's clean, tidy, and minimalist.

> Thanks
> Aditya

Cheers!
David

[1]: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1404/20654.html

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Hadrien Lacour]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:26:33AM +0100, Joseph Graham wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:46:36PM +0530, Aditya Goturu wrote:
> > As we know, the greatest weakness of suckless apps is their dependence on 
> > bloated build systems like make.
> > 
> > I tried porting to to gnu autotools, but while it helped, it still needed 
> > work.
> > 
> > I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
> > We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
> > Java.
> > 
> > I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
> > better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace 
> > IRC with slack.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Aditya
> > 
> 
> What?
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 
> 
> I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
> I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
> I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
> And a platform for Free Software success stories: 
> http://www.freedcomputer.net/
> 

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 14:46:36 +0530

Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Mattias Andrée]

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 14:46:36 +0530
Aditya Goturu  wrote:

> As we know, the greatest weakness of suckless apps is their dependence on 
> bloated build systems like make.
> 
> I tried porting to to gnu autotools, but while it helped, it still needed 
> work.
> 
> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
> Java.
> 
> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace IRC 
> with slack.
> 
> Thanks
> Aditya
> 

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Re: [dev][all] Migrating build system

[Joseph Graham]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:46:36PM +0530, Aditya Goturu wrote:
> As we know, the greatest weakness of suckless apps is their dependence on 
> bloated build systems like make.
> 
> I tried porting to to gnu autotools, but while it helped, it still needed 
> work.
> 
> I am proposing we migrate to visual studio as our build system immediately. 
> We must also start reimplementing some parts in modern languages like C# or 
> Java.
> 
> I also propose we stop using this mailing list immediately and move to a 
> better communication platform like Microsoft Exchange and that we replace IRC 
> with slack.
> 
> Thanks
> Aditya
> 

What?

-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/