Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[LM]

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 6:37 PM Nikita Krasnov
 wrote:
> While we're on it. Are there any good Android email clients
> that you can recommend? I've yet to find an app that allows
> you to send emails in plain text, let alone with line
> hard-wrapping :(

Haven't really tested out email clients on Android but if you use any of
the popular mail command line clients, you can get Termux on
Android and run familiar FLOSS command line/console programs on
your phone using it.

> It's the same thing with IRC. I recently started using it
> and it feels like a huge breath of fresh air. But it's so
> niche nowadays that there is barely any community around it.

I think some IRC users have switched to Matrix.   Speaking of Matrix,
I'd like to add a quick plug for Software Freedom Day.  If anyone's
interested in volunteering or helping out, the Software Freedom Day
organizers are meeting via:
https://matrix.to/#/%23SoftwareFreedomDay:matrix.org
Feel free to join in.

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Dave Blanchard]

> BTW, I suggest avoiding Android in the first place, for multiple reasons.
> 

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Android, and the "smart" phones that it 
runs on, are controlled by Google--which is a creation of U.S. intelligence.

Dave

(for better or worse, a U.S. citizen)

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Dave Blanchard]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 01:28:03 +0300
Nikita Krasnov  wrote:

> Thx! :D It is the first time I actually feel _clean_ when 
> using email. I don't know how much is it because of using 
> plain text or about actually talking to someone, but it's 
> the first time I feel like I'm using email as it was 
> intended to be used (aka not to simply receive one-time 
> confirmation codes or advertising).

You must be a young fellow. Welcome to the internet! The original internet, not 
the dumpster fire that is the "modern" web. This is how the net used to be, 
before Facefuck et al, when the masses had no computer/internet access or 
"smart" phones, and the net was a haven for people like us. IRC also used to be 
amazing, circa late 90s; nowadays it's a shadow of its former self. You've 
missed the best days of the internet, but as you can see, the fires of liberty 
are still kept burning in isolated areas, and history is cyclical; in some ways 
our best days are still to come.

Dave

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[marteg]

Hi!


While we're on it. Are there any good Android email clients that you
can recommend? I've yet to find an app that allows you to send emails
in plain text, let alone with line hard-wrapping :(


Here [0] is a list of clients recommended for plaintext. It also includes 
instructions on how to set them up. I myself use and can recommend 
FairEmail.



Thx! :D It is the first time I actually feel _clean_ when using email.
I don't know how much is it because of using plain text or about
actually talking to someone, but it's the first time I feel like I'm
using email as it was intended to be used (aka not to simply receive
one-time confirmation codes or advertising).

Now I'm gonna fall in love with using it and become sad because of how
unpopular it is. Am I the only one who eels that way?


I feel exactly the same! It's a shame simple and useful instruments like 
email and IRC are either unpopular or misused nowadays. I really hope 
more people will be using them in the future, especially since so many 
enthusiasts work on improving them.


[0]: https://useplaintext.email/#implementation-recommendations

Sincerely,
marteg

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Страхиња Радић]

On 23/07/02 06:39PM, Sebastian LaVine wrote:
> On Sun Jul 2, 2023 at 6:28 PM EDT, Nikita Krasnov wrote:
> > While we're on it. Are there any good Android email clients 
> > that you can recommend? I've yet to find an app that allows 
> > you to send emails in plain text, let alone with line 
> > hard-wrapping :(
> 
> I use and can recommend .

Since K9-Mail announced[1] that it will be "integrated" into Mozilla 
Thunderbird on Android, I use FairEmail[2] instead. Both "apps" are a bloated 
mess, but at least FairEmail doesn't depend on privacy-intruding Mozilla[3].

BTW, I suggest avoiding Android in the first place, for multiple reasons.

I have compiled a list of programs I use and recommend on my website[4] (page 
is in Serbian, but you can Google translate it to somewhat acceptable level).


[1]: https://k9mail.app/2022/06/13/K-9-Mail-and-Thunderbird
[2]: https://email.faircode.eu/
[3]: https://digdeeper.club/articles/mozilla.xhtml
[4]: https://strahinja.org/tekstovi/softver/preporuke


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Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Sebastian LaVine]

On Sun Jul 2, 2023 at 6:28 PM EDT, Nikita Krasnov wrote:
> While we're on it. Are there any good Android email clients 
> that you can recommend? I've yet to find an app that allows 
> you to send emails in plain text, let alone with line 
> hard-wrapping :(

I use and can recommend .

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Dave Blanchard]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 21:32:18 +0200
Hiltjo Posthuma  wrote:

> Congratulations, you have successfully sent an electronic mail!

Welcome.to the WORLD OF TOMORROW !!

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[fossy]

> Is this message – an equivalent of a new forum topic or thread? Does anyone
> even see this? Sorry, first time having conversations this way.  Also, is
> hard-wrapping lines at 80 characters a requirement? I see many people
> doing this here (I
> think I also saw Linus Torvalds doing the same in kernel emails).

Wrapping lines like that means smaller screens have a much better viewing
experience.
Also on bigger screens one can resize or tile windows, which means more
windows
and text for better efficiency.

> I do see an appeal in this, but I don't necessarily see the purpose. You
can
> configure any text editor to soft-wrap at the end of the screen
> without breaking lines.
> Is there something I can read about this?

I use Vi and have `set wraplen=79` in ~/.exrc file among others things.

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Marcel Plch]

On Sat, Jul 01, 2023 at 06:15:17PM +0300, Nikita Krasnov wrote:
> Is this message – an equivalent of a new forum topic or thread? Does anyone
> even see this? Sorry, first time having conversations this way.  Also, is
> hard-wrapping lines at 80 characters a requirement? I see many people
> doing this here (I
> think I also saw Linus Torvalds doing the same in kernel emails).
> 
> I do see an appeal in this, but I don't necessarily see the purpose. You can
> configure any text editor to soft-wrap at the end of the screen
> without breaking lines.
> Is there something I can read about this?
> 
Hi!

Yes, all seems to be working (that is if you receive replies from us), I
have just recently shared some netiquette guidelines [0] on this list,
so I'm gonna attach it here just as well so you don't
have to go archive digging. ;)


[0] - https://neomutt.org/rfc/1855
-- 
# Marcel Plch

()  ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
/\- against proprietary attachments

## What is that .asc attachment on my e-mails?

* https://gnupg.org/

## Contact:

* Website: https://plch.xyz
* Gitea: https://gitea.plch.xyz/dormouse
* Matrix: @dormouse:matrix.org


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Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Hiltjo Posthuma]

On Sat, Jul 01, 2023 at 06:15:17PM +0300, Nikita Krasnov wrote:
> Is this message – an equivalent of a new forum topic or thread? Does anyone
> even see this? Sorry, first time having conversations this way.  Also, is
> hard-wrapping lines at 80 characters a requirement? I see many people
> doing this here (I
> think I also saw Linus Torvalds doing the same in kernel emails).
> 
> I do see an appeal in this, but I don't necessarily see the purpose. You can
> configure any text editor to soft-wrap at the end of the screen
> without breaking lines.
> Is there something I can read about this?
> 

Congratulations, you have successfully sent an electronic mail!

-- 
Kind regards,
Hiltjo

Re: [dev] Am I doing this right?

[Laslo Hunhold]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 18:15:17 +0300
Nikita Krasnov  wrote:

Dear Nikita,

> Is this message – an equivalent of a new forum topic or thread? Does
> anyone even see this? Sorry, first time having conversations this
> way.

yes, welcome to this mailing list!

> Also, is hard-wrapping lines at 80 characters a requirement? I
> see many people doing this here (I think I also saw Linus Torvalds
> doing the same in kernel emails).

I even wrap at 70 characters.

> I do see an appeal in this, but I don't necessarily see the purpose.
> You can configure any text editor to soft-wrap at the end of the
> screen without breaking lines.
> Is there something I can read about this?

Automatic line wrapping mostly fails, e.g. for blockquotes. 50-75
characters per line is a sane default given human limits. It's proven
to be the "best" line length for readability[0]; the Wikipedia-page[1]
also gives some more insights.

With best regards

Laslo

[0]:https://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability
[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_length

[dev] Am I doing this right?

[Nikita Krasnov]

Is this message – an equivalent of a new forum topic or thread? Does anyone
even see this? Sorry, first time having conversations this way.  Also, is
hard-wrapping lines at 80 characters a requirement? I see many people
doing this here (I
think I also saw Linus Torvalds doing the same in kernel emails).

I do see an appeal in this, but I don't necessarily see the purpose. You can
configure any text editor to soft-wrap at the end of the screen
without breaking lines.
Is there something I can read about this?