Re: Sites which fail with tls 1.0

2014-02-05 Thread cloos
Brian Smith br...@briansmith.org writes:

 Thanks for replying. I am not sure about how SM works but I would
 expect it to work like Firefox in this aspect.

So did I; but even with 2.24pre1 (same gecko as ff27) it does not.

I'll grep thru the src for differences, and open a bugz.

 Understood. Next week Firefox 27 will be released and I think SM will
 be released around the same time. I would appreciate hearing whether
 or not you are having the same issues in Firefox 27 or SM 27.

sm 2.24pre1 is the same.  Except of course that the default max vers is
now 3, so that site now requires an explicit prefs setting.

Is the retry logic in nss or in mozilla-central?  And if the latter,
can anyone help narrow the search?  I didn't find anything relevant
in comm-central.

Thanks,

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Re: Sites which fail with tls 1.0

2014-02-05 Thread Brian Smith
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM,  cl...@jhcloos.com wrote:
 Is the retry logic in nss or in mozilla-central?  And if the latter,
 can anyone help narrow the search?  I didn't find anything relevant
 in comm-central.

It is in mozilla-central, in
security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSIOLayer.cpp. See these bugs:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=839310
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945195

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Re: Sites which fail with tls 1.0

2014-01-28 Thread Julien Vehent

On 2014-01-27 17:22, cl...@jhcloos.com wrote:

In case anyone is keeping a list, while helping a relative I determined
that timewarnercable.com's login server (wayfarer.timewarnercable.com)
will not work with tls 1.1 or 1.2.  The connection fails after the client
right after the client hello.



A small number of sites have bad security settings. Here's some stats.

Supported Protocols   Count Percent
-+-+---
SSL2  85447 18.9264
SSL2 Only 380.0084
SSL3  44986499.6443
SSL3 Only 4443  0.9841
TLS1  44657598.9158
TLS1 Only 736   0.163
TLS1.114526632.1762
TLS1.1 Only   1 0.0002
TLS1.214992133.2073
TLS1.2 Only   5 0.0011
TLS1.2 but not 1.111888 2.6332


I had to set security.tls.version.max to 1 to get ff (26) or sm (2.23)
to get her (relevant) profile to log in to their site.


Are you saying that the default settings were failing entirely, and you had 
to force tls1 for this site?




[Side note:  +\inf on the concecpt of profiles; one of Gecko's most
 important features!]
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Re: Sites which fail with tls 1.0

2014-01-28 Thread cloos
Julien Vehent jul...@linuxwall.info writes:

 I had to set security.tls.version.max to 1 to get ff (26) or sm (2.23)
 to get her (relevant) profile to log in to their site.

 Are you saying that the default settings were failing entirely, and
 you had to force tls1 for this site?

I thought that profile had the default settings for security, since it
is used only for interacting with that one vendor.

But it seems not, since 1 is the default value for tls.version.max.

I must have enabled 1.1 for all of her profiles by adding the line to
the prefs.js files.

Chromium must have re-tried with 1.0, since it defaults to 1.2 when
connecting to my servers.

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Re: Sites which fail with tls 1.0

2014-01-28 Thread Brian Smith
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:22 PM,  cl...@jhcloos.com wrote:
 In case anyone is keeping a list, while helping a relative I determined
 that timewarnercable.com's login server (wayfarer.timewarnercable.com)
 will not work with tls 1.1 or 1.2.  The connection fails after the client
 right after the client hello.

 I had to set security.tls.version.max to 1 to get ff (26) or sm (2.23)
 to get her (relevant) profile to log in to their site.

Hi,

What is the value of security.tls.version.min? It should have the
default value of 0. If not, could you please try again with
security.tls.version.min=0 and security.tls.version.max=3?

Also, could you try with Firefox 27 beta? Firefox 27 is supposed to be
released next week. The link to the beta version is here:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/beta/

When I try with Firefox Nightly, I find that we do fail to negotiate
TLS 1.2 and then we try TLS 1.1 and fail at that. But then we retry
with TLS 1.0 and that succeeds. I am curious why that is not happening
for you with Firefox 26, since Firefox 26 should have the retry logic
in it already.

Thank you very much for your help with this!

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Sites which fail with tls 1.0

2014-01-27 Thread cloos
In case anyone is keeping a list, while helping a relative I determined
that timewarnercable.com's login server (wayfarer.timewarnercable.com)
will not work with tls 1.1 or 1.2.  The connection fails after the client
right after the client hello.

I had to set security.tls.version.max to 1 to get ff (26) or sm (2.23)
to get her (relevant) profile to log in to their site.

[Side note:  +\inf on the concecpt of profiles; one of Gecko's most
 important features!]
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