Re: F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
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Re: F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
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Re: F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
> === BuildRequires ===
> repoquery -q --repo=rawhide{,-source} --whatrequires 'aspell*' | grep
> -v '^aspell' | grep 'src$' | pkgname
>
...
> hunspell-az
>
> hunspell-csb
>
> hunspell-de
>
> hunspell-en
>
> hunspell-fa
>
> hunspell-gv
>
> hunspell-ky
Apparantly, our spelling dictionaries for different languages come from quite
different sources, and some use aspell to convert them during package build.
This change provides an opportunity to update them to "hunspell-native"
dictionaries, which can support more functionality (e.g. for compound words,
block lists).
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Re: F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
On Tue May 30, 2023 at 3:04 PM EDT, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AspellDeprecation
>
> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved
> by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
>
> == Summary ==
>
> Deprecating aspell package because there are better-supported spell
> checkers like hunspell/enchant2 which could be used instead. It also
> has an upstream with almost 4 years of no action.
I am concerned about the potential accessibility ramifications of
removing Aspell.
I am a terrible speller; I had a spelling tutor in the summer between
4th and 5th grade to get me to the point where spellcheck could
understand me. Even still, I struggle with most spellcheckers. However,
I have found that Aspell with --sug-mode=bad-spellers and both the
Aspell and system dictionaries to be extremely helpful (it should be
noted that this was so monumental for me that I still remember the
argument even though I’ve only ever written in once — in my editor’s
config file).
I looked through the Hunspell documentation [1] and did not find any
equivalent option. I am further concerned because I also found [2]
saying that Hunspell was not adequate for the author and that Aspell
was, and “Spell Checker Test Kernel Results” [3] in which Aspell in Bad
Spellers mode achieved a score of 82.3, while Hunspell achieved 75.8.
[1]: https://github.com/hunspell/hunspell/tree/master/man
[2]:
https://battlepenguin.com/tech/aspell-and-hunspell-a-tale-of-two-spell-checkers/
[3]: http://aspell.net/test/cur/
Additionally, I do not believe that general support level should be a
factor in deciding what to package. If we were to follow that logic,
then we should remove niche DEs like NsCDE because most tools support
other desktops. Support level is certainly something that should be
considered when deciding what to deploy, but that decision should be
left up to the people deploying them. As a more pertinent example, Nano
supports Aspell by default and documents how to better integrate with
it. As such, as a Nano user, it does not matter to me whether Aspell is
supported in LibreOffice.
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Re: F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
On 30. 05. 23 21:04, Aoife Moloney wrote: Upstream of the aspell package has been inactive for almost 4 years now. Most of the packages that have been using aspell in the past did migrate to the supported [https://github.com/hunspell/hunspell hunspell package] or any other spell checker. A slight off topic: https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans.txt currently has: hunspell-ak orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-am orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ast orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-az orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ber orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-bg orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-br orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ca orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-cop orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-csb orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-cv orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-cy orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-dsb orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-eo orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-es olea, orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-et orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-fa orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-fj orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-fo orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-fr orphan, remi 2 weeks ago hunspell-fur orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-fy orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ga orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-gd orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-gl orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-grc orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-gv orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-haw orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-hil orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-hr orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-hsb orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ht orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-hu orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-hy orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ia orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-id orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-is orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-it orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-kk orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-km orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-la orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-lb orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ln orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-lt orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-mg orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-mi orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-mk orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-mn orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-mos orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ms orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-mt orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-nds orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-nl orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-ny orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-oc orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-om orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-pl orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-pt orphan 2 weeks ago hunspell-qu
F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AspellDeprecation
This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved
by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
== Summary ==
Deprecating aspell package because there are better-supported spell
checkers like hunspell/enchant2 which could be used instead. It also
has an upstream with almost 4 years of no action.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:ljavorsk| Lukas Javorsky]]
* Email: ljavo...@redhat.com
== Detailed Description ==
Upstream of the aspell package has been inactive for almost 4 years
now. Most of the packages that have been using aspell in the past did
migrate to the supported [https://github.com/hunspell/hunspell
hunspell package] or any other spell checker.
The plan is simple:
1) Deprecate aspell package.
2) Create Bugzilla tracker to request all packages to be migrated to
the hunspell or any other spell checker (let maintainers choose their
preferred one).
3) After all of the packages have been migrated, create a Change to
retire aspell from Fedora
== Feedback ==
Early feedback from the community is located in this
([https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YJWK522SSTYGIILBRC5BFVRAU74TQYHB/
Devel list announce])
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Fedora shouldn't maintain a dead package. This change will ensure
Fedora has relevant and upstreamed packages in it's repositories.
== Scope ==
* Proposal owners: Package aspell will be deprecated and the migration
request will be filled as a Bugzilla to all dependent packages
* Other developers: Migrate to hunspell package or any other supported
spellchecker present in Fedora repositories.
* Release engineering: No action required
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Alignment with Objectives:
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
As this is only deprecation change, nothing will need to be handled
manually. The dependent packages will migrate to hunspell or any other
supported spellchecker present in Fedora repositories.
== How To Test ==
== User Experience ==
== Dependencies ==
List of the packages from Fedora 39
=== Requires ===
repoquery -q --repo=rawhide{,-source} --whatrequires 'aspell*' | grep
-v '^aspell' | grep -v 'src$' | pkgname
eiskaltdcpp-qt
enchant-aspell
enchant2-aspell
kf5-sonnet-core
kf5-sonnet-core
moodle
perl-Code-TidyAll
perl-Text-Aspell
php-pspell
qa-tools
recoll
recoll
xedit
xmlcopyeditor
yagf
=== BuildRequires ===
repoquery -q --repo=rawhide{,-source} --whatrequires 'aspell*' | grep
-v '^aspell' | grep 'src$' | pkgname
eiskaltdcpp
enchant
enchant2
hunspell-az
hunspell-csb
hunspell-de
hunspell-en
hunspell-fa
hunspell-gv
hunspell-ky
ibus-typing-booster
inkscape
kf5-sonnet
logjam
perl-MouseX-ConfigFromFile
perl-MouseX-Types-Path-Class
perl-Text-Aspell
perl-Text-SpellChecker
PHP
recoll
tin
xmlcopyeditor
yagf
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: No contingency mechanism is required for deprecation.
* Contingency deadline: Beta freeze
* Blocks release? No
''NOTE: If we don't finish this change by the deadline, it is possible
to just complete this change with the next release.''
== Documentation ==
== Release Notes ==
--
Aoife Moloney
Product Owner
Community Platform Engineering Team
Red Hat EMEA
Communications House
Cork Road
Waterford
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F39 Change Proposal: Aspell Depreciation (Self-Contained Change)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AspellDeprecation
This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved
by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
== Summary ==
Deprecating aspell package because there are better-supported spell
checkers like hunspell/enchant2 which could be used instead. It also
has an upstream with almost 4 years of no action.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:ljavorsk| Lukas Javorsky]]
* Email: ljavo...@redhat.com
== Detailed Description ==
Upstream of the aspell package has been inactive for almost 4 years
now. Most of the packages that have been using aspell in the past did
migrate to the supported [https://github.com/hunspell/hunspell
hunspell package] or any other spell checker.
The plan is simple:
1) Deprecate aspell package.
2) Create Bugzilla tracker to request all packages to be migrated to
the hunspell or any other spell checker (let maintainers choose their
preferred one).
3) After all of the packages have been migrated, create a Change to
retire aspell from Fedora
== Feedback ==
Early feedback from the community is located in this
([https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YJWK522SSTYGIILBRC5BFVRAU74TQYHB/
Devel list announce])
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Fedora shouldn't maintain a dead package. This change will ensure
Fedora has relevant and upstreamed packages in it's repositories.
== Scope ==
* Proposal owners: Package aspell will be deprecated and the migration
request will be filled as a Bugzilla to all dependent packages
* Other developers: Migrate to hunspell package or any other supported
spellchecker present in Fedora repositories.
* Release engineering: No action required
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Alignment with Objectives:
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
As this is only deprecation change, nothing will need to be handled
manually. The dependent packages will migrate to hunspell or any other
supported spellchecker present in Fedora repositories.
== How To Test ==
== User Experience ==
== Dependencies ==
List of the packages from Fedora 39
=== Requires ===
repoquery -q --repo=rawhide{,-source} --whatrequires 'aspell*' | grep
-v '^aspell' | grep -v 'src$' | pkgname
eiskaltdcpp-qt
enchant-aspell
enchant2-aspell
kf5-sonnet-core
kf5-sonnet-core
moodle
perl-Code-TidyAll
perl-Text-Aspell
php-pspell
qa-tools
recoll
recoll
xedit
xmlcopyeditor
yagf
=== BuildRequires ===
repoquery -q --repo=rawhide{,-source} --whatrequires 'aspell*' | grep
-v '^aspell' | grep 'src$' | pkgname
eiskaltdcpp
enchant
enchant2
hunspell-az
hunspell-csb
hunspell-de
hunspell-en
hunspell-fa
hunspell-gv
hunspell-ky
ibus-typing-booster
inkscape
kf5-sonnet
logjam
perl-MouseX-ConfigFromFile
perl-MouseX-Types-Path-Class
perl-Text-Aspell
perl-Text-SpellChecker
PHP
recoll
tin
xmlcopyeditor
yagf
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: No contingency mechanism is required for deprecation.
* Contingency deadline: Beta freeze
* Blocks release? No
''NOTE: If we don't finish this change by the deadline, it is possible
to just complete this change with the next release.''
== Documentation ==
== Release Notes ==
--
Aoife Moloney
Product Owner
Community Platform Engineering Team
Red Hat EMEA
Communications House
Cork Road
Waterford
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