Re: SiliconMotion - unable to restore VGA screen on exit

2003-10-11 Thread Egbert Eich
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  What is the status of the problem of being unable to restore the VGA screen using 
  the SiliconMotion drivers? 
   
  Bugzilla 124  702 have reported the problem. Some comments indicate there is a 
  working patch, while some comments (and my experience) indicate that the problem 
  still exits, even using the latest 4.3.99.x XFree86. It's not clear if anyone is 
  actively working on the problem.
   
  I would add that in my case, using a Panasonic CF-28 ToughBook (laptop), the 
  problem exists using Solaris 8 and 4.3.99.x XFree86, but does NOT exist using 
  RedHat Linux with 4.2 XFree86 on the same machine. Also, as I reported in Bugzilla 
  702, using Solaris 8 and 4.0.2 XFree86 Porting Kit, I did not have the problem 
  either.

I would have fixed this problem long ago if I could reproduce it on
Linux. I have dug out my Lynx3D evaluation board just recently to
see if I can reproduce this problem however I don't see it.
It is fairly hard to fix a problem that I don't see.
If you could describe the problem a little closer one may get an idea:
- Dose the monitor sync at all when you go back to text mode?
- Is this a video mode restoration problem? (Do you get the same
  frequencies on the text console as you had before you started X?)
- Are you using a 'real' text mode (or is this something like a
  framebuffer mode under Linux)?
- Is it a font loading problem (under linux you can load a new font
  by doing setfont ...  to test this)?
- Is it a pallette problem (ie that you get black on black)?
  Under linux the VGAlib had some tools to save/restore the VGA palette. 

   
  I would appreciate feedback on any planned efforts on this problem. If any XFree86 
  Developer in the LA area needs to look at my machine, I may be able to accommodate 
  them to get this problem solved.
   

I don't know if there is any XFree86 Developer in the LA area.
In fact there may by fewer XFree86 Developer around the world
than you expect. It seems to be a popular misconception that
this project has hundreds of active developers. 

Egbert.
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Re: SiliconMotion - unable to restore VGA screen on exit

2003-10-11 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is the status of the problem of being unable to restore the
VGA screen using the SiliconMotion drivers?

The status of the problem is whatever the bug report states.  If 
it doesn't state what you'd like to hear, then that is because 
nobody has anything to comment as of yet about the report(s), and 
nobody is likely investigating the problem.
 
Bugzilla 124  702 have reported the problem. Some comments
indicate there is a working patch, while some comments (and my
experience) indicate that the problem still exits, even using
the latest 4.3.99.x XFree86. It's not clear if anyone is
actively working on the problem.

The bug is reported against XFree86 4.3.0 on ia32.  I doubt there 
are many people who:

1) Even have silicon motion hardware
2) Have the hardware you are having problems with
3) Are running NetBSD
4) Can reproduce your problem
5) Have had the time and interest in investigating the issue.


I would add that in my case, using a Panasonic CF-28 ToughBook
(laptop), the problem exists using Solaris 8 and 4.3.99.x
XFree86, but does NOT exist using RedHat Linux with 4.2 XFree86
on the same machine. Also, as I reported in Bugzilla 702, using
Solaris 8 and 4.0.2 XFree86 Porting Kit, I did not have the
problem either.

If 4.2.x works for you, why don't you just continue using 4.2.x?
Or alternatively, extract a binary 4.2.x driver module from the 
older release and rename the 4.3.0 driver and plop the old one 
that worked in its place.

I would appreciate feedback on any planned efforts on this
problem. If any XFree86 Developer in the LA area needs to look
at my machine, I may be able to accommodate them to get this
problem solved.

Everyone working on XFree86 does so as a volunteer.  When people 
report bugs, if there is a volunteer who works in that area of 
code, be it a library, the X server, or a driver module, etc. 
and they have the time and inclination, and the problem interests 
them to fix, they generally respond to reports and fix them.  If 
you display all bug reports, you'll notice the majority of them 
are fixed and closed.

Since this issue is open still, that possibly means nobody is
interested in hacking on an ancient video driver for ancient
video hardware, so the bug stays open until someone comes along 
and volunteers to fix it, and submits a patch.  That could well 
be an existing XFree86 developer, or someone such as yourself.  
More likely than not however, whoever fixes it (if it ever does 
get fixed) will be someone who actually has the hardware 
themselves.

There really aren't enough volunteer developers out there to 
endlessly maintain every single video driver and keep it working 
on every piece of video hardware, and respond to problem reports 
instantly and fix all issues and fix them quickly.

If you're unable to fix the problem yourself and submit a patch 
onto that bug report, you might find my previous suggestion of 
using the 4.2.1 video driver in 4.3.0 to be a useable workaround 
for now.

Hope this helps.

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Re: SiliconMotion - unable to restore VGA screen on exit

2003-10-11 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Egbert Eich wrote:

 I would appreciate feedback on any planned efforts on this
problem. If any XFree86 Developer in the LA area needs to look
at my machine, I may be able to accommodate them to get this
problem solved.

I don't know if there is any XFree86 Developer in the LA area.
In fact there may by fewer XFree86 Developer around the world
than you expect. It seems to be a popular misconception that
this project has hundreds of active developers.

Another popular misconception that people have is that the
developers that are actually working on the code have endless
hours to volunteer, and each have a warehouse containing one of
every piece of video hardware ever made including one of every
laptop, as well as complete technical specification of all of
that hardware, and that fixing bugs even in _ancient_ hardware is
a high priority for them.  ;o)

It's kindof funny...  Once in a while I get a rude response on a 
bug report from someone along the lines of Um.. Is *ANYONE* 
looking at this??? Is there any MOVEMENT on this??  *WHAT* do I 
need to do to get this problem fixed IMMEDIATELY??

Of course I rarely respond, but the answer I'm thinking in my 
mind - the true answer, is You need to go backwards in time, and 
remove your last comment from the bug report so that when time 
moves forward again, I have never seen it.  Then you need to send 
me $1.   ;o)

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dual head different resolutions

2003-10-11 Thread Darek Borkowski
Hi all!

I'm not the XFree developer, but there Is important feature lacking.
Thi is support for different resolution in dual head mode with 
functionality like
big desktop mode in Windows XP. I use fglrx ati 3.2.5 driver.
I have flatpanel 1280x1024 and TVset 800x600 connected to the Radeon
9000 PRO. In KDE and Gnome I lost half of the bottom bar and Start Menu.
The windows maximizes to both of sceen, not to only one (e.g. TV screen).
When I turn on the Xinerama extension if XF86config-4 the driver does not
work. I've read that ati drivers have merged fb functionality, but I 
don't know
how to turn it on and if it works with two different resolutions in KDE 
and Gnome.
I've been searching for thread about this feature in devel mailing list, 
but I found
some threads, more or less close to that.
My idea/suggestion is to implement that feature to the XFree. The 4.4 
feature freeze
is coming soon, so maybe it is possible in the next release.

Darek Borkowski



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Re: dual head different resolutions

2003-10-11 Thread Alex Deucher
I've never used ati's fireglx drivers so I can't comment on how they
work. Plus since they are closed source binary only drivers, opensource
developers cannot add any new features.  if you want a xinerama like
feature, ask ati directly.  
I maintain the mergedfb functionality in the xfree86 opensource radeon
driver.  Mergedfb creates a single large framebuffer with two viewports
(the heads) looking into it.  the xfree86 driver does not support
tv-out yet on radeon hardware.  However with mergedfb, you can use the
vga and dvi ports to create a dualhead desktop.  the driver also
implements pseudo-xinerama which allows xinarama-aware apps to act as
expected in a dualhead setup. For more information please see my radeon
man page or Thomas Winischhofer's sis page:
http://www.botchco.com/alex/radeon/mergedfb/cvs/DRI/final/radeon.4.html
http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml

I committed Mergedfb support to DRI cvs and it is available in the DRI
snapshots:
http://dri.sourceforge.net/snapshots/

Alex

--- Darek Borkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 I'm not the XFree developer, but there Is important feature lacking.
 Thi is support for different resolution in dual head mode with 
 functionality like
 big desktop mode in Windows XP. I use fglrx ati 3.2.5 driver.
 I have flatpanel 1280x1024 and TVset 800x600 connected to the Radeon
 9000 PRO. In KDE and Gnome I lost half of the bottom bar and Start
 Menu.
 The windows maximizes to both of sceen, not to only one (e.g. TV
 screen).
 When I turn on the Xinerama extension if XF86config-4 the driver does
 not
 work. I've read that ati drivers have merged fb functionality, but I 
 don't know
 how to turn it on and if it works with two different resolutions in
 KDE 
 and Gnome.
 I've been searching for thread about this feature in devel mailing
 list, 
 but I found
 some threads, more or less close to that.
 My idea/suggestion is to implement that feature to the XFree. The 4.4
 
 feature freeze
 is coming soon, so maybe it is possible in the next release.
 
 Darek Borkowski
 
 


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Re: [Dri-devel] Deadlock with radeon DRI

2003-10-11 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Keith Whitwell wrote:

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:55:57 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Dri-devel] Deadlock with radeon DRI

John Dennis wrote:
 The locking problem is solved, my original analysis was incorrect. The
 problem was that DRM_CAS was not correctly implemented on IA64. Thus
 this was an IA64 issue only, this is consistent with others who showed
 up in a google search describing the problem, all were on IA64.
 
 I have filed an XFree86 bug report on this. I could not find a DRI
 specific bug reporting mechanism other than the dri-devel list.

This list is good.  Can you put together a patch to correct the behaviour?

http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778 has John's patch that 
fixes this.

Thanks Keith,
TTYL

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