Re: Very bad news
I like it too, Phil et al. Re your second paragraph, I fully understand the applause. You don't want to get me or Jim Williams and some others I can think of started on this topic at all, but a very good observation on your part. Not necessarily due to the failure of of individuals knowing why certain actions should be taken but the fast-gathering clouds above their heads. Walt Phil Pister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walt and all: Minckley remains with us, whether we like it or not (I like it). Such is the legacy of an incredible professor. I'm certain that lack of use of the t, h and e keys on our word processors attests to this!! Warning: Remain aware that it is not just State FW agency administrators who are slow to respond to critical issues. I once commented in a talk at a big FWS meeting that innovation and dedication are often inversely proportional to the square of an administrator's GS level. Everyone below the level of GS-12 applauded loudly. The remainder of attendees just sat there and glowered! This observation is not without its exceptions. Just a likely justifiable generality. Phil Edwin P. (Phil) Pister Executive Secretary, Desert Fishes Council P.O. Box 337, Bishop, CA 93515 (for regular mail) For FedEx or UPS: 437 East South Street, Bishop, CA 93514 (760) 872-8751 [FAX and voice phone] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. ...Amos Bronson Alcold. On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Walter Courtenay wrote: Well said, Phil. All to many introductions are made illegally. My message last evening was a baited hook in part to find out how many states prohibit introductions of crayfishes. Catching someone in the act is almost impossible. But I (perhaps like you with your long experience with one agency) have noted that those who administrate some state game and fish agencies are all to often too slow in following recommendations of their biologists regarding prohibitions. Those were just my thoughts as W.L. Minckley might have expressed, were he still here among us. Walt Phil Pister wrote: All: In defense of the state game and fish agencies (having worked for one for the better part of a half-century), most of these introductions are done illegally, without agency concurrence, and against the advice of state biologists, who are 99 percent highly competent and dedicated people. The people who make these introductions either do so out of ignorance, for the money, and most often both. They just don't give a damn about following the law, and state agencies and biologists end up getting stuck with the results and try to make the best of it. Phil Edwin P. (Phil) Pister Executive Secretary, Desert Fishes Council P.O. Box 337, Bishop, CA 93515 (for regular mail) For FedEx or UPS: 437 East South Street, Bishop, CA 93514 (760) 872-8751 [FAX and voice phone] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. ...Amos Bronson Alcold. On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Walter Courtenay wrote: If the folks in charge of state game fish agencies don't give a damn about this, Phil et al., nothing can stop this kind of introduction. The feds are powerless in such situations, as you know. In our combined experience, we both know that despite how long or how loud biologists want and need something done NOW, those in charge of agencies typically take such action when it is far too late, after the fact. Walt Phil Pister wrote: All: I just received this email from Paul Loiselle, a long-time DFC member now affiliated with the New York Zoological Society. Paul conducts extensive research in Madagascar. The purpose of this is simply to alert you to another threat to North America's desert fishes which, to repeat Paul's subject, is VERY bad news. Phil Edwin P. (Phil) Pister Executive Secretary, Desert Fishes Council P.O. Box 337, Bishop, CA 93515 (for regular mail) For FedEx or UPS: 437 East South Street, Bishop, CA 93514 (760) 872-8751 [FAX and voice phone] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. ...Amos Bronson Alcold. Begin forwarded message: From: Loiselle, Paul Date: June 5, 2007 12:14:54 PM PDT To: Subject: FW: Very bad news Dear Phil, I hope this note finds you well. I am forwarding a rather alarming piece of information about a highly predatory, parthenogenetic N. American catfish that has become established in Madagascar. As this beast appears to be in the aquarium trade, there exists the possibility of it finding its way into aquatic habitats in the desert southwest. Given that crayfish translocations within N. America have caused serious problems, I dont think we really want this animal in places like Ash Meadows, Quitobaquito Springs or Cuatro Cienegas! Could
Re: Very bad news
Walt and all: Minckley remains with us, whether we like it or not (I like it). Such is the legacy of an incredible professor. I'm certain that lack of use of the t, h and e keys on our word processors attests to this!! Warning: Remain aware that it is not just State FW agency administrators who are slow to respond to critical issues. I once commented in a talk at a big FWS meeting that innovation and dedication are often inversely proportional to the square of an administrator's GS level. Everyone below the level of GS-12 applauded loudly. The remainder of attendees just sat there and glowered! This observation is not without its exceptions. Just a likely justifiable generality. Phil Edwin P. (Phil) Pister Executive Secretary, Desert Fishes Council P.O. Box 337, Bishop, CA 93515 (for regular mail) For FedEx or UPS: 437 East South Street, Bishop, CA 93514 (760) 872-8751 [FAX and voice phone] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. ...Amos Bronson Alcold. On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Walter Courtenay wrote: Well said, Phil. All to many introductions are made illegally. My message last evening was a baited hook in part to find out how many states prohibit introductions of crayfishes. Catching someone in the act is almost impossible. But I (perhaps like you with your long experience with one agency) have noted that those who administrate some state game and fish agencies are all to often too slow in following recommendations of their biologists regarding prohibitions. Those were just my thoughts as W.L. Minckley might have expressed, were he still here among us. Walt Phil Pister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: In defense of the state game and fish agencies (having worked for one for the better part of a half-century), most of these introductions are done illegally, without agency concurrence, and against the advice of state biologists, who are 99 percent highly competent and dedicated people. The people who make these introductions either do so out of ignorance, for the money, and most often both. They just don't give a damn about following the law, and state agencies and biologists end up getting stuck with the results and try to make the best of it. Phil Edwin P. (Phil) Pister Executive Secretary, Desert Fishes Council P.O. Box 337, Bishop, CA 93515 (for regular mail) For FedEx or UPS: 437 East South Street, Bishop, CA 93514 (760) 872-8751 [FAX and voice phone] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. ...Amos Bronson Alcold. On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Walter Courtenay wrote: If the folks in charge of state game fish agencies don't give a damn about this, Phil et al., nothing can stop this kind of introduction. The feds are powerless in such situations, as you know. In our combined experience, we both know that despite how long or how loud biologists want and need something done NOW, those in charge of agencies typically take such action when it is far too late, after the fact. Walt Phil Pister wrote: All: I just received this email from Paul Loiselle, a long-time DFC member now affiliated with the New York Zoological Society. Paul conducts extensive research in Madagascar. The purpose of this is simply to alert you to another threat to North America's desert fishes which, to repeat Paul's subject, is VERY bad news. Phil Edwin P. (Phil) Pister Executive Secretary, Desert Fishes Council P.O. Box 337, Bishop, CA 93515 (for regular mail) For FedEx or UPS: 437 East South Street, Bishop, CA 93514 (760) 872-8751 [FAX and voice phone] e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. ...Amos Bronson Alcold. Begin forwarded message: From: Loiselle, Paul Date: June 5, 2007 12:14:54 PM PDT To: Subject: FW: Very bad news Dear Phil, I hope this note finds you well. I am forwarding a rather alarming piece of information about a highly predatory, parthenogenetic N. American catfish that has become established in Madagascar. As this beast appears to be in the aquarium trade, there exists the possibility of it finding its way into aquatic habitats in the desert southwest. Given that crayfish translocations within N. America have caused serious problems, I don’t think we really want this animal in places like Ash Meadows, Quitobaquito Springs or Cuatro Cienegas! Could you circulate this to the DFC membership as sort of a general warning that this animal could cause major problems and it might be prudent for managers to think proactively about it? Ho ela velona! Paul From: Herilala, Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:35 AM To: Loiselle, Paul Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Claudine RAMIARISON [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Very bad news Hello This news is about American crayfish introduced to
