Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Hi Andy - these are great insights... And there are lessons to be learned in this discussion that go beyond DDN. Thanks! Tobias On 1/5/09, Andy Swarbrick andyswa...@tickertxt.org wrote: As an owner-mod of around 30 groups on Yahoo and Google Groups I would be happy to reapply that experience to support DDN, if that is at all helpful. One question seems to be what platform one might use for DDN. Before you get to that one must ask, what is wrong (and right) with the existing one, and if we change what could the benefits pitfalls be. What is wrong with the existing platform? Does it cost money? Is it difficult to manage? At least it has a stable user-base who know its strengths and weaknesses. As I say I use Yahoo Groups which of course is free. Added to Y!G is Grouply which is a social-networking front end, possibly giving all the benefits and pitfalls of social networking, not to mention the benefits and pros cons of Y!G. (It is worth noting that some Y!G and Google Groups seem to be reflecting each others messages into both platforms.) I also use and like Wiserearth and (like all platforms) it has its benefits it also has its issues. One disadvantage (depending on your perspective) is that Wiserearth is primarily a website interface, whereas I love the DDN email interface. I do not know Moodle so cannot comment. To my way of thinkin any virtual group (and DDN is no different) goes through its high and low points. I run a few dead groups, but I know that at the right moment any of them could go live. So quiescence is not to me a core problem. What is needed is good management. This group needs someone to drive its agenda, and that means in part to stimulate the DDN community into self-action. What technology is used is then of secondary importance. Andy If the current owner-mod structure discourages that self-promotion (which it seems is true) then the starting point for me is to support a change that corrects that core problem. Correct that and then see what else is necessary later. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Sent from my mobile device Tobias Eigen Senior Steward - IT Global Action Networks-Net (GAN-Net) http://www.gan-net.net Executive Director Kabissa - Space for Change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Hi All I also can contribute the DDN as a volunteer moderator. Best regards, Sameera http://ict4d-in-srilanka.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net [mailto:digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Molly E. Uzoh Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:53 PM To: 'The Digital Divide Network discussion group' Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) Hi Andy, Happy New Year! I'm volunteering to be one of the moderators. Thanks for all your sustained effort all these years. Mary (Molly) Uzoh, CEO Learning Right Technologies, LLC P. O. Box 51616 San Jose, CA 95151 Phone: 408-649-5872, Cell: 408-826-2167 http://www.learningright.com -Original Message- From: digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net [mailto:digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Andy Carvin Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:34 AM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ** This e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or have received it in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Any unauthorized reading, reproducing, printing or further dissemination of this e-mail or its contents is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ** ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed, YouTube, etc...In an ideal world, there would be money available to hire a full time manager to oversee DDN, but we do not have that kind of luxury. Perhaps I am wrong, my assumption is, the more different tools we have, the more volunteers DDN would need. Presently we sometime have to wait for days before emails are approved for publication, (2 of my emails took about a month for approval), I think that would kill Twiter, for example? Another hesitation I have is, from my own observation the past 3 years, I think there are only a handful of DDN members that are very skill at using different tools. What would that mean in finding volunteers? Personally even IF I am willing, I would not dare to offere my service. = cindyho...@gmail.com --- On Fri, 2/1/09, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 2:46 PM Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed, YouTube, etc... Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Hi, I have been moderating lists at various policy community and development forums. I would like to volunteer. On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Regards. -- Fouad Bajwa ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
As an owner-mod of around 30 groups on Yahoo and Google Groups I would be happy to reapply that experience to support DDN, if that is at all helpful. One question seems to be what platform one might use for DDN. Before you get to that one must ask, what is wrong (and right) with the existing one, and if we change what could the benefits pitfalls be. What is wrong with the existing platform? Does it cost money? Is it difficult to manage? At least it has a stable user-base who know its strengths and weaknesses. As I say I use Yahoo Groups which of course is free. Added to Y!G is Grouply which is a social-networking front end, possibly giving all the benefits and pitfalls of social networking, not to mention the benefits and pros cons of Y!G. (It is worth noting that some Y!G and Google Groups seem to be reflecting each others messages into both platforms.) I also use and like Wiserearth and (like all platforms) it has its benefits it also has its issues. One disadvantage (depending on your perspective) is that Wiserearth is primarily a website interface, whereas I love the DDN email interface. I do not know Moodle so cannot comment. To my way of thinkin any virtual group (and DDN is no different) goes through its high and low points. I run a few dead groups, but I know that at the right moment any of them could go live. So quiescence is not to me a core problem. What is needed is good management. This group needs someone to drive its agenda, and that means in part to stimulate the DDN community into self-action. What technology is used is then of secondary importance. Andy If the current owner-mod structure discourages that self-promotion (which it seems is true) then the starting point for me is to support a change that corrects that core problem. Correct that and then see what else is necessary later. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Hi Andy, Happy New Year! I'm volunteering to be one of the moderators. Thanks for all your sustained effort all these years. Mary (Molly) Uzoh, CEO Learning Right Technologies, LLC P. O. Box 51616 San Jose, CA 95151 Phone: 408-649-5872, Cell: 408-826-2167 http://www.learningright.com -Original Message- From: digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net [mailto:digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Andy Carvin Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:34 AM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Sabi ni Andy noong Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:46:31 -0800 (PST): Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed, YouTube, etc... Interesting idea. I know that at least Twitter and YouTube are mashable although offhand I can't think of how this would work. Maybe someone with a clearer mind (Christmas holiday hangover g) can cook something up. -- Daniel O. Escasa independent IT writer and consulant techblog at http://descasa.i.ph twitter page at http://www.twitter.com/silverlokk -- Daniel O. Escasa desc...@internet-mail.org contributor, Free Software Magazine (http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com) personal blog at http://descasa.i.ph -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
-Original Message- From: Cindy Lemcke-Hoong cindylemcke_ho...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:10 AM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) First of all can someone, such as Andy Carvin, come up with a to-do/qualifications/expectation etc. list for moderator? Without that, some qualified persons might shy away from volunteering. Cindy = cindyho...@gmail.com --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 6:34 PM Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Any thought of moving DDN to Moodle? I think Moodle provides a centralized platform and better features than the email listing. It provides functions where we can build library related to DDN issues, members can conduct training, discussions etc. all within one location. The 'meaning' of DDN has changed since the beginning of DDN. What I see the future of DDN should go beyond discussions. Cindy = cindyho...@gmail.com --- On Wed, 31/12/08, Claude Almansi claude.alma...@gmail.com wrote: From: Claude Almansi claude.alma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 11:13 AM Thanks for your constructive personal opinion, Taran: it is all the more valuable because of your experience as admin. I've only been a user - well, theoretically managing some on-site discussions for a while before they got scrapped, but their were very few posts there. Between your lines: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Taran Rampersad taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com wrote: Personal opinion, meant constructively: DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth. I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit sketchy, so it's difficult to say. As far as I remember, there was a chonological coincidence between the rise of spam comments to blog entries and the big hacking of the on-site discussion boards during the 2nd WSIS in 2005. Spammers started using redirecting scripts in their profiles and in their comments. So script use was made impossible by admins. Then they directed to other free-hosted pages where they used those scripts. Etc. But already before that, the mailing-list had become the main exchange tool for DDNers, I think. We'd post to our DDN blogs, but often just fed them from another blog through RSS. I've been doing that for a while, because the DDN blog filter always tells me I'm attempting to post improper stuff I am unable to identify if I attempt to do it straight, whereas it doesn't if the same stuff comes through RSS. The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message and who has the time to do things. Yes, the e-mail list is stifled. But isn't it because people hesitate to post to it because they don't know when the post will get through? And couldn't moderation be technically simplified in part by making it plain-text no-attachments only (I'm thinking of Andy's message about people attempting to post messages with huge attachments)? Sure, moderation can be problematic: in the 3 Italian ones I mentioned before, I was made asst-manager because they had gone haywire in various ways, yet all based on the fact that the archives were private. People started to behave more decently after we made them public - after due consultation none of the trolls paid attention to: they left and limited themselves to sending the managers personal insults and threats. The archives of the DDN list are already public, so this should probably limit trolling. Present and past moderators could perhaps tell what proportion of trolling and spam they have to delete? And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there is a question that there is a future of DDN. I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki was presented and remains largely unused. There may still be a psychological reluctance to use wikis, even among DDNers. In other socially oriented projects and actions I participate in, the mailing-list seems to remain the prefered vehicle. Other tools get used by smaller sub-groups (wikis for the preparation of a statement then submitted to the list, e.g.). That might be a Digital Divide issue we might address. So before we get into technicalities again, as well as human moderation of email messages, I suggest that people on the list consider whether they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be missing. From there, we can decide what that future will be. Personally, I do. Web 2.0 - many applications of which I discovered thanks to DDN mailing list discussions - raised great enthusiasm and hopes, but it might time for an assessment of their actual opportunities, uses and implications. Some
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Thanks for your constructive personal opinion, Taran: it is all the more valuable because of your experience as admin. I've only been a user - well, theoretically managing some on-site discussions for a while before they got scrapped, but their were very few posts there. Between your lines: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Taran Rampersad taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com wrote: Personal opinion, meant constructively: DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth. I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit sketchy, so it's difficult to say. As far as I remember, there was a chonological coincidence between the rise of spam comments to blog entries and the big hacking of the on-site discussion boards during the 2nd WSIS in 2005. Spammers started using redirecting scripts in their profiles and in their comments. So script use was made impossible by admins. Then they directed to other free-hosted pages where they used those scripts. Etc. But already before that, the mailing-list had become the main exchange tool for DDNers, I think. We'd post to our DDN blogs, but often just fed them from another blog through RSS. I've been doing that for a while, because the DDN blog filter always tells me I'm attempting to post improper stuff I am unable to identify if I attempt to do it straight, whereas it doesn't if the same stuff comes through RSS. The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message and who has the time to do things. Yes, the e-mail list is stifled. But isn't it because people hesitate to post to it because they don't know when the post will get through? And couldn't moderation be technically simplified in part by making it plain-text no-attachments only (I'm thinking of Andy's message about people attempting to post messages with huge attachments)? Sure, moderation can be problematic: in the 3 Italian ones I mentioned before, I was made asst-manager because they had gone haywire in various ways, yet all based on the fact that the archives were private. People started to behave more decently after we made them public - after due consultation none of the trolls paid attention to: they left and limited themselves to sending the managers personal insults and threats. The archives of the DDN list are already public, so this should probably limit trolling. Present and past moderators could perhaps tell what proportion of trolling and spam they have to delete? And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there is a question that there is a future of DDN. I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki was presented and remains largely unused. There may still be a psychological reluctance to use wikis, even among DDNers. In other socially oriented projects and actions I participate in, the mailing-list seems to remain the prefered vehicle. Other tools get used by smaller sub-groups (wikis for the preparation of a statement then submitted to the list, e.g.). That might be a Digital Divide issue we might address. So before we get into technicalities again, as well as human moderation of email messages, I suggest that people on the list consider whether they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be missing. From there, we can decide what that future will be. Personally, I do. Web 2.0 - many applications of which I discovered thanks to DDN mailing list discussions - raised great enthusiasm and hopes, but it might time for an assessment of their actual opportunities, uses and implications. Some Feature Story articles (see http://www.digitaldivide.net/articles/index.php) are about this. But first, people have to decide that they want it - and decide what they are willing to do toward a future of DDN. Hence my willingness to co-moderate the mailing-list. Not only to prevent spam, trolling and behemoth attachments, but to try and incite people to share again there the DDN-related experiences they are involved in elsewhere: exploration of new tools, accessibility and usability issues, their usefulness for the promotion of education, health, welfare and human rights in general, blocks against them and how to cirvumvent them - etc. Best Claude -- Claude Almansi ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list
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Could I join Michael below. As another normally silent but very interested witness, I think that DDN still has a very useful role to play. Our work here at CLICT is mostly focussed on urban/rural digital divide issues within the EU as well as digital divide issues in Kenya, India and a number of other countries...but we follow developments all over the world with great interest. There are so many issues that we have in common...as well as a few which are special across cultures... that listening in on what colleagues have to say is truly a salutary experience. There are multiple uses for DDN which we may not have yet properly explored or exploited...and since all of us are so busy the problems that have been raised over the past few days are understandable...but let's cogitate a bit more and keep the list going while we think of ways to improve matters all round. Meanwhile, I take this opportunity to convey our very best wishes for a very Happy New Year 2009 to all members. Joe Professor Joseph A. Cannataci Director, Centre for Law, Information Converging Technologies Harris Building HB260 University of Central Lancashire Preston PR1 2HE England UK Tel: 0044 1772 893947 Fax: 0044 1772 892908 e-mail: jacannat...@uclan.ac.uk Web: www.uclan.ac.uk/clict Michael Malahy Morris mmmor...@unm.edu 31/12/2008 00:25 I have been a silent but interested witness to the list serve for several years now and have found this counsel by Taran to be the absolute best advice I have seen on DDs survival and prospects in many months. If we do not follow (even with modification) her suggestions here, I fear the network will not survive for long. My work in the Southwestern United States and with colleagues elsewhere in the world tell me we need DD but someone has to wrap their hands, heart and mind around this process and give us better direction. I also do not have the time (or the inside knowledge) to do this but I know we need this tool and its voices. Michael Malahy Morris Research Professor in Public Policy University of New Mexico On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:36:29 -0400 Taran Rampersad taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com wrote: Personal opinion, meant constructively: DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth. I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit sketchy, so it's difficult to say. The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message and who has the time to do things. And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there is a question that there is a future of DDN. I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki was presented and remains largely unused. So before we get into technicalities again, as well as human moderation of email messages, I suggest that people on the list consider whether they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be missing. From there, we can decide what that future will be. But first, people have to decide that they want it - and decide what they are willing to do toward a future of DDN. Andy Carvin wrote: Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, Deborah? Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow -- Taran Rampersad taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com http://www.knowprose.com ( http://www.knowprose.com/ ) http://www.your2ndplace.com ( http://www.your2ndplace.com/ ) http://www.opendepth.com ( http://www.opendepth.com/ ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word
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To facilitate and encourage discussion while dealing with users who break the discussion rules. It's pretty straightforward. btw, one thing to point out - if the group decides to migrate to another tool - googlegroups, etc - there may be some integration work required because membership to the list can be controlled through the digitaldivide.net website membership. Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: Cindy Lemcke-Hoong cindylemcke_ho...@yahoo.co.uk To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:13:26 AM Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) First of all can someone, such as Andy Carvin, come up with a to-do/qualifications/expectation etc. list for moderator? Without that, some qualified persons might shy away from volunteering. Cindy = cindyho...@gmail.com --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 6:34 PM Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, Deborah? Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: Deborah Phelan deborahphe...@gmail.com To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an alternative suggestion. a previous email suggested incorporating the group into something larger I've been working as a volunteer editor at WiserEarthhttp://www.wiserearth.org, an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest) serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment, peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation, 110,422 Organizations http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/ 19,979 People http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active 1,012 Groups http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse 4,933 Resources http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/ The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ... We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF. The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados /group/ICT http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT has already been somewhat built out DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to further develop the AofF. Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the directed movement and growing participation here. Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ... Deborah On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Imagine better than the best you know. Neville Goddard. ...experience is like tail-lights on a boat which illuminate where we have been when we should be focusing on where we should be going. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1959. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
not saying that at all, Andy. what I was suggesting was possibly using this resource as a home for the listserv since you seemed to be looking for volunteers to manage it. That idea could just mean listing Digitial Divide Network and TakingITGlobal on WE, (unable to locate either in a search there) ... the website's visualization network automatically graphs for you a web of resources http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT relative to your Onthe ICT afficiando's listing, for example, here's http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/limitToMasterid/349/limitToType/aofwhat they list as relevant or invoved organizations Just a suggestion, Andy. As I said, I haven't been following DDN for awhile. Perhaps I got the wrong impression. Deborah On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, Deborah? Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: Deborah Phelan deborahphe...@gmail.com To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an alternative suggestion. a previous email suggested incorporating the group into something larger I've been working as a volunteer editor at WiserEarthhttp://www.wiserearth.org, an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest) serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment, peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation, 110,422 Organizations http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/ 19,979 People http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active 1,012 Groups http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse 4,933 Resources http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/ The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ... We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF. The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados /group/ICT http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT has already been somewhat built out DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to further develop the AofF. Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the directed movement and growing participation here. Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ... Deborah On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Imagine better than the best you know. Neville Goddard. ...experience is like tail-lights on a boat which illuminate where we have been when we should be focusing on where we should be going. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1959
Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
I've co-moderated 3 Italian mailing-lists a couple of years ago. So I'd volunteer to co-moderate this DDN list - preferably not alone, especially at first, until I get the hang of issues possibly involved. DDN counts. The issues may have evolved, but they have not gone away. Best Claude On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, Deborah? Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow - Original Message From: Deborah Phelan deborahphe...@gmail.com To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN) haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an alternative suggestion. a previous email suggested incorporating the group into something larger I've been working as a volunteer editor at WiserEarthhttp://www.wiserearth.org, an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest) serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment, peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation, 110,422 Organizations http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/ 19,979 People http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active 1,012 Groups http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse 4,933 Resources http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/ The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ... We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF. The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados /group/ICT http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT has already been somewhat built out DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to further develop the AofF. Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the directed movement and growing participation here. Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ... Deborah On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin andycar...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tom, The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR. ac Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
