Re: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech
Right, I understand that Don. But you can't be *sure* that will happen. Early adopters don't always make effective helpers; in my many years working in community technology settings, I have seen that over and over. The other issue is of cultural applicability. will people in developing nations have the same view of mutuality in suppport that we want them to have? I don't know the answer to that. but i certainly wouldn't plan a project without knowing the answer; i wouldn't introduce anything that required community or locallly developed support without knowing the answer and having a plan B ready. steve - Original Message - From: Don Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Digital Divide Network discussion group' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech Even today, in my much more limited connection to electronic technology, I field email from people who are asking me questions such as, Why is the web page on my screen bigger than the screen? It won't all fit on there! Hi Steve, I think in some respects your observation helps answer the question on support and training. What happens in practice with communal ICT implementations is that community develops its own support networks - just as you help people known to you; others in community self-develop skills and use these skills to help family and friends. Depending on the scope and scale of implementations this can even become quite an organised initiative. This is certainly what we see in the Telecentre movement - A few bright sparks adopt the technology very easily and quickly become peers and helpers assisting others with adoption/support issues. We don't need all kids to be intuitive adopters, just enough to self-develop a useful support network. Cheers, Don ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech
It's definitely an interesting idea...I wasn't aware that CLIEs with those capabilities could be found for less than the $100 price tag Negropointe's initiative is aiming for. If so, I'd buy one myself...what's the cheapest handheld with a wifi card? Most of the options I've looked at are in the $300 - $400 range. Dave. --- Dave A. Chakrabarti Projects Coordinator CTCNet Chicago [EMAIL PROTECTED] (708) 919 1026 --- Mark Frazier wrote: Joe, This is an intriguing idea! Sony Clie's do all the same thing, including video, sound, mp3, text, still, flash, and even internet Can you help identify specific (low-cost) Clie models that have all the above capabilities? A recent check on eBay yielded a number of $250 Clie models. We'd like to find more affordable options -- ideally in the $75-$100 range -- with the capabilities that you mentioned. The aim is for student teams to use them for eLesson creation/sharing at entrepreneurially-run schools for the poor. We're aiming to try them in grassroots learning initiatives such as the Virtual Academy in a Sri Lankan farming village (www.horizonlanka.org) and the microscholarship system at eCenters in Kyrgyzstan (http://tinyurl.com/q4aqv). Look forward to hearing from you... Best, Mark Frazier President Openworld, Inc. Creating assets for grassroots initiatives www.openworld.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Beckmann Sent: 07/13/2006 8:51 AM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech While I certainly sympathize with ipods as micro-supercomputers, much older - and thereby much cheaper - Sony Clie's do all the same thing, including video, sound, mp3, text, still, flash, and even internet. What they lack is phone, but that is what distinguishes the smartphones. In the meantime, I wonder that people haven't collected old Clie's from Sony and EBay and created whole computer classrooms able to do most of what a full scale lab can do, with much more flexibility, at much less than Negroponte's projected computer, with much more software capacity. Joe Beckmann On 7/12/06, Stephen Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, et. al., I was directly involved in people learning to use and maintain a great variety of equipment for a bunch of years, and I certainly don't doubt that equipment has become simpler to maintain; that's often the case. I also saw great frustration from people who used equipment and either didn't know how or didn't want to learn how (a LOT of people do not feel comfortable with fixing ANYthing. Anything.); they just wanted to be able to DO things. I am sympathetic to the idea of kids connecting more intuitively to the equipment...at least SOME kids. Remember, MANY kids aren't that way! It's a brain development thing. So how do *the rest of us* manage? Remember when the Mac was created, ostensibly for the rest of us? Even today, in my much more limited connection to electronic technology, I field email from people who are asking me questions such as, Why is the web page on my screen bigger than the screen? It won't all fit on there! And this is not an uncommon level of question. My point is that we can *pretend* all we want that people, especially young people (who get everything!) will just get it and things will be fine. That is a setup for failure designed to serve the limited view of people who are designing something they want to have out there and they don't have a solution for this other stuff, so they merely explain it away. I don't buy it. It not only sets up such a project for failure, but the message then is that the PEOPLE are failures for not being able to figure it out. As for the limitations of the ipod as a training too, I agree. Part of the appeal of it for me is its size. It is so small and easy to lug around and you have dongles to connect to everything else. it is the universal hard drive that connects to other less portable media to do stuff. It's not the holy grail, by far. I also really like the mpeg players that are built into wireless phones. They are a little bulkier but they offer triple functionality: phone, ipod and internet for web and mail. and they don't require a wired network infrastructure. For the moment, I am wanting to see what can happen with a bunch of ipods. they are cheap, light, small, etc. I mean, I don't even own one, but I have seen enough to think there is more than coolness happening. It feels a little like early Google. Steve Snow - Original Message - From: Dave A. Chakrabarti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech stuff snipped for space Stephen, The Ipod is definitely an intriguing tool for training (I should convince my boss to buy me one for, er, training
Re: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech
They're still a little overpriced, given history, at Amazon and - quite infrequently - EBay, but no longer through Sony. I just checked and there are some at the $75 level, and many at $150, which I think is too much. My bet is that there is SOMEBODY at Sony who (a) knows of a corporate adoption that (s)he'd like to convert to Sony/Ericson phone or (b) could find a cache of overstocked and fully depreciated, ready for a non-traditional adoption. My own is a PEG-NX70V/u, with a PEGA WL100 wifi card, and it was particularly the NX and NZ series that had this extraordinary range of capability. And Steve's right that they are heavy and bigger - but ONLY to the sleekest of IPODs. For that matter I've also got an old Newton that makes the Clie's look very sleek indeed. When I taught delinquents in lockup, the clie was perfect - it was both enough gee wiz to exceed the capacity of the clunky desktops available and, with sound and video recording, had just the right capacity to catch kids doing what they thought no one saw - their work! I could lend it to them for writing and check their speed at tetris. The value of these older toy-like palms is that they can do so much more than some of their successors, even if they do it less well. With a keyboard, the Clie is almost a laptop; with a wifi card, it's almost a phone; plugged into a projector, it can play powerpoints or MP3's. And it is very sturdy, uses micro power, and recharges superbly. Finally, although Negroponte's got tenure at MIT, I can't think of a hardware or software need that a $100 computer would fill that couldn't be done better by this old warhorse. It may not be the sleekest linux box, but it's got lots more than an IPOD. Joe On 7/13/06, Stephen Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Joe, et. al., The Clie is so much bigger. I mean for what I am thinking. But then, my thinking might be too small!! What appeals about the ipod is its diminuitive size compared to other things. It slips right into a pocket and disappears. The use threshhold is very low because the functionality is limited...that is a good thing, I am thinking, if the use is primarily for sharing training videos and information. The Clie can do a lot, maybe too much. I don't know. What do others think? Steve Snow - Original Message - From: Joe Beckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech While I certainly sympathize with ipods as micro-supercomputers, much older - and thereby much cheaper - Sony Clie's do all the same thing, including video, sound, mp3, text, still, flash, and even internet. What they lack is phone, but that is what distinguishes the smartphones. In the meantime, I wonder that people haven't collected old Clie's from Sony and EBay and created whole computer classrooms able to do most of what a full scale lab can do, with much more flexibility, at much less than Negroponte's projected computer, with much more software capacity. Joe Beckmann context snipped for space ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Joe Beckmann 22 Stone Avenue Somerville, MA 02143 617-625-9369 and Search for a Cure 17 Worcester Street Cambridge, MA 02139 617-945-5350 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
RE: [DDN] Request for documents
Hi Hakik, I guess there's no 2004 or 2005 report. These last months I've tried to keep track of all the reports and indicators published. You can find the historic of the Telecom reports here: http://ictlogy.net/wiki/index.php?title=World_Telecommunication_Development_ Report And the historic of ITU here: http://ictlogy.net/wiki/index.php?title=International_Telecommunication_Unio n Hope I helped :) Ismael Peña López www.ICTlogy.net Public Policies for Development and ICT4D Faculty of Law and Political Science Open University of Catalonia -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Hakikur Rahman Enviado el: jueves, 13 de julio de 2006 10:20 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [DDN] Request for documents I was looking for the Executive Summary of World Telecommunications Development Report between year 2002 and 2006. I could download 2002, 2003 and 2006 from ITU's site (in pdf format), but could not obtain 2004 and 2005 (not even from ITU's site). If anyone has these documents, please send them off the list. Best Regards. Hakik. Dr. Md. Hakikur Rahman National Project Coordinator SDNP Bangladesh (UNDP) web: www.sdnbd.org, www.hakik.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
[DDN] my new email address
Hi everyone, Just wanted to send out a quick note to let you know I'm no longer using my edc.org account. You can now reach me at andycarvin /at/ yahoo /dot/ com instead. thanks, andy Andy Carvin andycarvin at yahoo com www.andycarvin.com www.pbs.org/learningnow __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
RE: [DDN] Nicholas Negroponte- ISTE NECC Speech
I've never seen a piece of hardware so simple that a child in a third world nation (who is completely digitally illiterate) could intuitively repair. A child who has never seen a laptop before cannot intuitively use a mouse/trackpad. I have! http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/india/ Here's another. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388789/ Just two of many examples of well-designed, self-directed learning environments overcoming the need for structured training, in the process, defining new learning paradigms. As the teacher of a technology workforce development program in New York City, I quickly learned that students learnt faster than I could teach, if I left them alone and set up interesting problems for them to solve. -SG ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
