[digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
Listening this morning (Monday) in the UK on 3633 kHz at around 0300 UTC, I heard a strange weebly-warbly digital signal that continued for at least 15 minutes without a break (then it sent me to sleep). The striking characteristic of the signal was that the data rate was very low (a few bits per second?), and the transition between the tones wasn't sharp -- it seemed as if each tone glided gracefully up/down to the next. At first I thought it was ROS, but I haven't heard ROS like this before. Any ideas on provenance? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
IT WORKED !! This is part of a sinister plot to take over the world. First it puts you to sleep ... z... then I take over. BEWARE !! I assume you were on LSB? Could have been WISP on 3.5926 USB which puts the carrier on 35941 +/- a couple hundred kc. It almost sounds like a steady tone, you have to listen carefully to detect that it is not. It would also have been JT-65 on 3.576 USB, +/- a few hundred kcs. Lots of activity on JT-65 around 14.076 USB. All data modes use USB. JT-65 and WISP sound very different from each other. Time to adjust your (foil) hat. ve3bdr From: Ian Wade G3NRW Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:51 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m? Listening this morning (Monday) in the UK on 3633 kHz at around 0300 UTC, I heard a strange weebly-warbly digital signal that continued for at least 15 minutes without a break (then it sent me to sleep). The striking characteristic of the signal was that the data rate was very low (a few bits per second?), and the transition between the tones wasn't sharp -- it seemed as if each tone glided gracefully up/down to the next. At first I thought it was ROS, but I haven't heard ROS like this before. Any ideas on provenance? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
I got one decoded signal, 10316 -17 -1.1 10.140158 0 VE7THZ DN09 30. The rest of the night, nothing. Abdy 2010/8/30 Peter Frenning pe...@frenning.dk søn, 29 08 2010 kl. 22:45 -0400, skrev Andy obrien: Interesting, I get the same thing. It has been months since I tried WSPR. I checked my old guide http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/Whisper_Guide.html Followed my own instructions and get NO decode. Will play around some more On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert L. Tucker rltuc...@aol.com wrote: ...showing spots but no decodes. BTW, I went through the steps to upload this image to the Photos section of the website, but it doesn't show up... just a little blue box with a ? inside. Robert K5TD Robert and Andy I don't really understand what your problem(s) are. For me, and hundreds of other users it just works, as witnessed by this screen shot (taken from my linux Ubuntu to boot) And the reporting system works just as smoothly these days as witnessed by this excerpt from wsprnet.org: *Spot Database* Specify query parameters http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spotquery 50 spots: *Timestamp* *Call* *MHz* *SNR* *Drift* *Grid* *Pwr* *Reporter* * RGrid* *km* *az*2010-08-30 08:48PA3GFE10.140133-200 JO21rk0.1OZ1PIFJO65an63241 2010-08-30 08:48 DM1FS 10.140169 -4 0 JN39wu 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 694 222010-08-30 08:48 G3RIK 10.140224 -3 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 71 2010-08-30 08:48 F6BIA 10.140252 0 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:48 G3RIK 10.140281 -23 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 712010-08-30 08:46 DH3JO 10.140188 -19 -1 JO30lw 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 615 312010-08-30 08:46 F5KIS 10.140226 +2 0 JN23qi 10 OZ1PIF JO65an 1439 172010-08-30 08:46 DL4RU 10.140286 -14 0 JN69cr 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 649 3592010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140264 -20 1 JO65an 0.5 MW0VVO IO71mt 1191 2572010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140238 -16 0 JO65an 0.5 G8SQH IO81tx 1025 2532010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140162 -23 0 JO65an 0.5 G4FUI IO84pp 942 2702010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140243 -23 0 JO65an 0.5 DL6MFL JN58ta 839 1822010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140259 -19 0 JO65an 0.5 PA1GSJ JO22da 643 2352010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140250 -18 0 JO65an 0.5 DL1MMK JN58sd 825 1832010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140258 -2 0 JO65an 0.5 F6BIA JN18dq 1012 2252010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140248 -17 0 JO65an 0.5 DL4RU JN69cr 649 1792010-08-30 08:42 M0PPP 10.140241 -19 0 IO93gm 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 898 702010-08-30 08:40 F1EXL 10.140130 -5 0 IN98qh 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 1182 422010-08-30 08:40 DM1FS 10.140168 +2 1 JN39wu 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 694 222010-08-30 08:40 F6BIA 10.140252 -9 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:38 PA3GFE 10.140133 -4 0 JO21rk 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 632 412010-08-30 08:38 G3RIK 10.140224 -8 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 712010-08-30 08:36 F2WA 10.140199 +7 1 JN38rm 10 OZ1PIF JO65an 843 202010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140238 -19 0 JO65an 0.5 G8SQH IO81tx 1025 2532010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140258 -7 0 JO65an 0.5 F6BIA JN18dq 1012 225 2010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140279 -7 0 JO65an 0.5 F2WA JN38rm 843 2042010-08-30 08:32 F6BIA 10.140253 +2 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:30 DH3JO 10.140189 -15 -1 JO30lw 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 615 312010-08-30 08:30 HB9LFT 10.140198 -18 0 JN47cl 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 937 152010-08-30 08:30 DL6NL 10.140216 -8 0 JO50cb 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 624 11 Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter * ** Genius is one per cent inspiration, ** ** and ninety-nine per cent** ** perspiration. ** ** -- Thomas A. Edison ** * email: peter(no-spam filler)@frenning.dk filler...@frenning.dkhttp://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *
[digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
Got 'em rolling in now 1042 -23 -1.1 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1052 -24 -0.6 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1100 -23 -0.4 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1100 -18 -0.3 10.140178 0 JQ1HDR QM05 37 1106 -20 0.1 10.140189 0 7M1QMY PM95 40 1108 -24 -0.5 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1108 -16 -0.5 10.140178 0 JQ1HDR QM05 37 1110 -27 -0.5 10.140142 1 W6PDD DM04 37 Any luck Robert ? On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I got a report 0316 -17 -1.1 10.140158 0 VE7THZ DN09 30 10386 was the receive dial frequency that the software was tuned to
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New
Thanks Jeff, that helps a lot. Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:51 PM Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 Time: 06:13:31 IT WORKED !! This is part of a sinister plot to take over the world. First it puts you to sleep ... z... then I take over. BEWARE !! I assume you were on LSB? Could have been WISP on 3.5926 USB which puts the carrier on 35941 +/- a couple hundred kc. It almost sounds like a steady tone, you have to listen carefully to detect that it is not. It would also have been JT-65 on 3.576 USB, +/- a few hundred kcs. Lots of activity on JT-65 around 14.076 USB. All data modes use USB. JT-65 and WISP sound very different from each other. Time to adjust your (foil) hat. ve3bdr Yes, Rudy, it was LSB, but it was neither WSPR nor JT-65. It was the distinctive gliding from one tone to another that made it stand out from anything I have heard before. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
MFSK8? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Ian Wade G3NRW g3...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca benner%40vianet.ca Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 Time: 06:13:31 Yes, Rudy, it was LSB, but it was neither WSPR nor JT-65. It was the distinctive gliding from one tone to another that made it stand out from anything I have heard before. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW Replg3...@yahoo.co.uk?subject=re:+%5Bdigitalradio%5D+Weebly-warbly+on+80m?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Sorry Howard But this brain dead thinking (or lack of it) about pactor that some seen to have just burns me the wrong way. I guess if I had a sound card in the shack computer I could blast back every time I get QRM'ed by some other mode also. Speaking of, where have you been hiding your pactor station at? John At 11:26 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: Thank you, John, Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV
[digitalradio] DM-780
Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn
Re: [digitalradio] DM-780
Assuming you're using v5, it is activated via a macro instruction rsid. For use on receive, go to Program Options, Modes + IDs, the Reed Solomon (RSID) tab, and Enable RSID detection. You can also activate a RSID transmit button as well, if you don't want to program it into the macros. That option is on the right-hand side of the Reed-Solomon (RSID) tab mentioned in the previous paragraph. Dave K3DCW On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Lynn wrote: Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net
Re: [digitalradio] DM-780
Yes, it does. TOOLSPROGRAM OPTIONSMODES IDS - SELECT THE RSID TAB. ve3bdr From: Lynn Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] DM-780 Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 02:35:00
[digitalradio] CMSK successful tests on 600m
I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU
RE: [digitalradio] DM-780
Not every version though. Only these later versions over the last eight months or so. Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Benner Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:28 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] DM-780 Yes, it does. TOOLSPROGRAM OPTIONSMODES IDS - SELECT THE RSID TAB. ve3bdr From: Lynn mailto:n0...@cox.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] DM-780 Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 02:35:00
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK successful tests on 600m
Pretty impressive , Murray. Thanks for the update. Andy K3UK On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, zl1...@nzart.org.nz wrote: I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU R zl1...@nzart.org.nz?subject=cmsk+successful+tests+on+600m
[digitalradio] Re: CMSK successful tests on 600m
I just wish there was more activity down here on 600m! 73, Murray ZL1BPU --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: Pretty impressive , Murray. Thanks for the update. Andy K3UK On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, zl1...@... wrote: I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU R zl1...@...?subject=cmsk+successful+tests+on+600m
[digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k4cjx k4...@... wrote: Amazing that one thinks that 1 percent can cause any type of difference, anywhere, especially on the Phone bands. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. Steve, k4cjx, aaa9ac So you think 1% transmitting on your frequency without listening systematically would be ok? Actually it was winlink advocates that pressed for the rightfully doomed proposal. And I think I remember a certain person advocating sending boilerplate comments to the FCC in support of this. To the original post, ROS seems overly wide for any perceived advantages it offers; unless you have information to the contrary. 73, Bill N9DSJ
