Re: [digitalradio] NBEMS experience today

2008-01-07 Thread Rein Couperus
Most of your questions are answered here:

http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSK_arq

73,

Rein PA0R


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 Several of us were around the 10137 frequency earlier today and tried 
 various combinations of modes, including NBEMS. We had at least KH6TY, 
 K3UK, VE5MU, KC7GNM, and WD4KPD. Some attempts at making transfers was 
 done. I sent Skip one of my standard messages which is the Gettysburgh 
 Address. It took about 6 minutes or so to send with its 1419 character 
 length.using the PSK63 speed. I unfortunately did not record this 
 exactly. Not really fast, but we had quite a few repeats due to 
 conditions being marginal. Again, this mode is intended more for VHF, 
 but it does work on HF, even with fairly modest signals. The main thing 
 is that the message was completely accurate at the receiving station, 
 something nearly impossible to do with most of the sound card modes.
 
 What we probably should have done is try the same message with FAE 400 
 mode and compare the throughput under similar conditions.
 
 Eventually it sounds like NBEMS may have a chat mode, which I think 
 would be a good thing, but you can easily switch back and forth between 
 the flarq ARQ add-on and the basic VBdigi program. I wonder if it might 
 be possible to eventually add the FAE 400 mode?
 
 In fact, later on I was tuning around and VE5MU was down the band 
 calling on FAE 400 and I just sort of set my cursor on the waterfall and 
 I was connected. We had a lengthy chat and if you have used this mode, 
 you know that it is hard to keep up with the throughput with less than 
 40 wpm keyboard speed:) And that is when conditions are not the best.
 
 I am wondering if it might be possible to have this mode eventually 
 available on VBdigi as it clearly is the superior ARQ HF sound card mode 
 at this time. You can use wide FAE for more speed, but it is no where 
 near as sensitive as the 400 Hz narrower mode. And for those of us who 
 really do not want to operate with moderate width modes (under 500 Hz), 
 the 400 Hz wide mode is ideal. The 10130 to 10140 sub bands under the 
 new Region 2 Band Plan recommends no more than 500 Hz bandwidth.
 
 Questions about NBEMS:
 
 1. I think I asked something like this before, but bear with me. It 
 seems to be sending several blocks of data because you see the inserted 
 characters that must be a checksum and if the receiving station decodes 
 all correctly it knows that. Is this a CRC kind of check or something 
 similar?
 
 2. Am I correct that it only requests the parts that it can not decode 
 properly? And it does this even though in between blocks are OK and so 
 don't need ARQ? So you can send maybe three or more blocks with the 
 check and if only one is bad it only resends that one?
 
 3. If it needs to repeat one or more blocks, the transmitting station 
 does the repeat, but then continues to send new data as well? Probably 
 to fill a maximum number of bytes per transmission?
 
 4. If you see someone sending the flarq beacon in VBdigit, and their 
 callsign, is that just a general call to anyone? Or is there some way to 
 differentiate who is to get the message?
 
 5. And then when their callsign appears automatically in the flarq 
 program, does that mean they are trying to connect specifically to your 
 callsign, or is your flarq program just responding to any flarq beacon?
 
 6. If it is a general call, how do we know when you receive a message or 
 who it is supposed to go to?
 
 73,
 
 Rick, KV9U
 
   
  
 

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[digitalradio] NBEMS experience today

2008-01-06 Thread Rick
Several of us were around the 10137 frequency earlier today and tried 
various combinations of modes, including NBEMS. We had at least KH6TY, 
K3UK, VE5MU, KC7GNM, and WD4KPD. Some attempts at making transfers was 
done. I sent Skip one of my standard messages which is the Gettysburgh 
Address. It took about 6 minutes or so to send with its 1419 character 
length.using the PSK63 speed.  I unfortunately did not record this 
exactly. Not really fast, but we had quite a few repeats due to 
conditions being marginal. Again, this mode is intended more for VHF, 
but it does work on HF, even with fairly modest signals. The main thing 
is that the message was completely accurate at the receiving station, 
something nearly impossible to do with most of the sound card modes.

What we probably should have done is try the same message with FAE 400 
mode and compare the throughput under similar conditions.

Eventually it sounds like NBEMS may have a chat mode, which I think 
would be a good thing, but you can easily switch back and forth between 
the flarq ARQ add-on and the basic VBdigi program. I wonder if it might 
be possible to eventually add the FAE 400 mode?

In fact, later on I was tuning around and VE5MU was down the band 
calling on FAE 400 and I just sort of set my cursor on the waterfall and 
I was connected. We had a lengthy chat and if you have used this mode, 
you know that it is hard to keep up with the throughput with less than 
40 wpm keyboard speed:) And that is when conditions are not the best.

I am wondering if it might be possible to have this mode eventually 
available on VBdigi as it clearly is the superior ARQ HF sound card mode 
at this time. You can use wide FAE for more speed, but it is no where 
near as sensitive as the 400 Hz narrower mode. And for those of us who 
really do not want to operate with moderate width modes (under 500 Hz), 
the 400 Hz wide mode is ideal. The 10130 to 10140 sub bands under the 
new Region 2 Band Plan recommends no more than 500 Hz bandwidth.

Questions about NBEMS:

1. I think I asked something like this before, but bear with me. It 
seems to be sending several blocks of data because you see the inserted 
characters that must be a checksum and if the receiving station decodes 
all correctly it knows that. Is this a CRC kind of check or something 
similar?

2. Am I correct that it only requests the parts that it can not decode 
properly? And it does this even though in between blocks are OK and so 
don't need ARQ? So you can send maybe three or more blocks with the 
check and if only one is bad it only resends that one?

3. If it needs to repeat one or more blocks, the transmitting station 
does the repeat, but then continues to send new data as well? Probably 
to fill a maximum number of bytes per transmission?

4. If you see someone sending the flarq beacon in VBdigit, and their 
callsign, is that just a general call to anyone? Or is there some way to 
differentiate who is to get the message?

5. And then when their callsign appears automatically in the flarq 
program, does that mean they are trying to connect specifically to your 
callsign, or is your flarq program just responding to any flarq beacon?

6. If it is a general call, how do we know when you receive a message or 
who it is supposed to go to?

73,

Rick, KV9U