[digitalradio] No HF data/text bandwidth limit in USA Re: A closer look at ROS

2010-02-21 Thread expeditionradio
Dear Rik van Riel,

There is currently no finite bandwidth limit 
on HF data/text emission in USA ham bands, 
except for the sub-band and band edges.

FCC data/text HF rules are still mainly based 
on content of the digital emission, not bandwidth. 

FCC rules allow hams to transmit a 149kHz bandwidth 
data/text signal on the 20 meter band. It may 
not be popular to do so, but it is legal :)

The amateur radio regulations of many other 
countries of the world do not have bandwidth 
limits on signals. Bandwidth regulation has 
been recently adopted by some countries.

New SDR radios have the potential to transmit 
and receive wider bandwidths. Perhaps we will 
see more development in this area of technology 
in the future. There are other HF services using 
24kHz and 48kHz bandwidth fast data modems. Some 
of these modems are capable of sending a page 
of text in the time it would take you to call CQ 
on one of the slow digital modes.
Perhaps there are good applications for 48kHz 
modems in HF ham radio. For example, large portions 
of the 24MHz, 21MHz, and 28MHz ham bands are 
almost completely empty of amateur radio signals 
for years. It would be easy to fit a 24kHz or 
48kHz bandwidth signal in these bands.

Rik, you recently wrote that FCC part §97.307
places [bandwidth] limitation on any data 
mode transmitted in the HF bands

Please check your copy of the FCC rules more closely, 
because you overlooked what the rule actually says: 

(f) The following standards and limitations 
apply to transmissions on the frequencies 
specified in §97.305(c) of this Part.

§97.305(c) is a chart of amateur radio bands 
and sub-bands. Each sub-band has a note, 
and the notes are listed in part §97.307.

The Note # (2) only applies a soft bandwidth 
limit to non-phone emissions within the 
Phone,image sub-bands. 

Note # (2) does not apply to the CW/data/RTTY 
sub-bands.

Several years ago, there was a proposal to FCC 
to provide regulation by bandwidth rather than 
content. However, it failed to be adopted. 

Thus, USA hams still don't have a bandwidth limit 
for HF data/text :)

Best Wishes,
Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA

 Rik van Riel r...@... wrote:
 Furthermore, from part 97.307 places this limitation on any
 data mode transmitted in the HF bands:
 
 (2)No non-phone emission shall exceed the bandwidth of a
 communications quality phone emission of the same
 modulation type. The total bandwidth of an independent
 sideband emission (having B as the first symbol), or a
 multiplexed image and phone emission, shall not exceed
 that of a communications quality A3E emission. 



Re: [digitalradio] No HF data/text bandwidth limit in USA Re: A closer look at ROS

2010-02-21 Thread Rik van Riel
On 02/21/2010 04:48 PM, expeditionradio wrote:

 §97.305(c) is a chart of amateur radio bands
 and sub-bands. Each sub-band has a note,
 and the notes are listed in part §97.307.

 The Note # (2) only applies a soft bandwidth
 limit to non-phone emissions within the
 Phone,image sub-bands.

 Note # (2) does not apply to the CW/data/RTTY
 sub-bands.

Indeed, you are right.

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