Re: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills
Hello Ian, While I do not know how well TDF certification fits with respect to your project (I suspect there's some overlap but there are also lots of differences in terms of audience and purpose) I think it would be a good idea for you to use the LibreOffice logo , as it can only benefit TDF, LibreOffice and your company. My only conditions would of course be no exclusivity (i.e the respective parties are not tied in any sort of exclusive agreement) and that it does not preclude any future certification of our own. Best, Charles. Le 04/09/2011 11:40, Ian Lynch a écrit : Background As many will know we have been working on FOSS friendly qualifications for end-users for several years now through the INGOT project. The qualifications and associated certificates are differentiated across 6 levels covering all software applications from complete beginner to university entrance level. The assessment criteria are generic and based on the UK National Standards referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. Further, the assessment is backed by a comprehensive (Drupal + LAMP) on-line system for managing submission of evidence, moderation, progress tracking, reporting and authentication of certificates. We have been invited by the OpenOffice.org certification project to work in partnership with them to support a large corporate training company in providing certification of user skills in OpenOffice.org. This is simply a matter of contextualising the assessments with evidence drawn from OOo or products derived from that code base. The assessment criteria are no different from those used for any office products but the evidence has to be provided using OOo, LibO or other OOo based applications. In this sense changes to OOo or LibO are unlikely to have a material effect on the certification and that is a deliberate design strategy in the UK national frameworks. You don't want to have to potentially change things on every new release. The specific proposal is to use the LibO logo on end user certificates and the LibreOffice name and logo on the handbook with full acknowledgement of trade marks etc. There will be a payment back to the community for each certificate issued carrying a LibO logo - I can't be precise at the moment as we are still working out costs but it is likely to be around 50 cents to a dollar per certificate. We are trying to keep costs down to get maximum reach to less economically advantaged nations. High volume will make the marketing dimension more effective but we also have to cover hosting, quality assurance and other costs. I don't really know where LibO certification fits into this. It might not and if so there is no harm done, we can just carry on as before. I just thought this might be an opportunity for something that could be a joint OOo/LibO activity and a means of raising brand awareness for LibO. Since I fly to Ecuador with Manfred Reiter from Frankfurt in about 1.5 weeks and the handbook is currently being translated into Spanish by Alexandro Colorado, it would be helpful to have an answer as soon as possible. If anyone wants a copy of the draft handbook I can send it. We aim to make it available from Lulu in paper form, as an e-book, as a downloadable pdf and in web pages translated into multiple languages. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Res: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills
Hi Ian, Are you planning to use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice logos on your material ? Best, Jomar -Original Message- From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:40:51 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Reply-To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills Background As many will know we have been working on FOSS friendly qualifications for end-users for several years now through the INGOT project. The qualifications and associated certificates are differentiated across 6 levels covering all software applications from complete beginner to university entrance level. The assessment criteria are generic and based on the UK National Standards referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. Further, the assessment is backed by a comprehensive (Drupal + LAMP) on-line system for managing submission of evidence, moderation, progress tracking, reporting and authentication of certificates. We have been invited by the OpenOffice.org certification project to work in partnership with them to support a large corporate training company in providing certification of user skills in OpenOffice.org. This is simply a matter of contextualising the assessments with evidence drawn from OOo or products derived from that code base. The assessment criteria are no different from those used for any office products but the evidence has to be provided using OOo, LibO or other OOo based applications. In this sense changes to OOo or LibO are unlikely to have a material effect on the certification and that is a deliberate design strategy in the UK national frameworks. You don't want to have to potentially change things on every new release. The specific proposal is to use the LibO logo on end user certificates and the LibreOffice name and logo on the handbook with full acknowledgement of trade marks etc. There will be a payment back to the community for each certificate issued carrying a LibO logo - I can't be precise at the moment as we are still working out costs but it is likely to be around 50 cents to a dollar per certificate. We are trying to keep costs down to get maximum reach to less economically advantaged nations. High volume will make the marketing dimension more effective but we also have to cover hosting, quality assurance and other costs. I don't really know where LibO certification fits into this. It might not and if so there is no harm done, we can just carry on as before. I just thought this might be an opportunity for something that could be a joint OOo/LibO activity and a means of raising brand awareness for LibO. Since I fly to Ecuador with Manfred Reiter from Frankfurt in about 1.5 weeks and the handbook is currently being translated into Spanish by Alexandro Colorado, it would be helpful to have an answer as soon as possible. If anyone wants a copy of the draft handbook I can send it. We aim to make it available from Lulu in paper form, as an e-book, as a downloadable pdf and in web pages translated into multiple languages. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills
That's what I understood, but I may be wrong. Ian? Best, Charles. Le 04/09/2011 18:29, Jomar Silva a écrit : Hi Ian, Are you planning to use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice logos on your material ? Best, Jomar -Original Message- From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:40:51 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Reply-To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills Background As many will know we have been working on FOSS friendly qualifications for end-users for several years now through the INGOT project. The qualifications and associated certificates are differentiated across 6 levels covering all software applications from complete beginner to university entrance level. The assessment criteria are generic and based on the UK National Standards referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. Further, the assessment is backed by a comprehensive (Drupal + LAMP) on-line system for managing submission of evidence, moderation, progress tracking, reporting and authentication of certificates. We have been invited by the OpenOffice.org certification project to work in partnership with them to support a large corporate training company in providing certification of user skills in OpenOffice.org. This is simply a matter of contextualising the assessments with evidence drawn from OOo or products derived from that code base. The assessment criteria are no different from those used for any office products but the evidence has to be provided using OOo, LibO or other OOo based applications. In this sense changes to OOo or LibO are unlikely to have a material effect on the certification and that is a deliberate design strategy in the UK national frameworks. You don't want to have to potentially change things on every new release. The specific proposal is to use the LibO logo on end user certificates and the LibreOffice name and logo on the handbook with full acknowledgement of trade marks etc. There will be a payment back to the community for each certificate issued carrying a LibO logo - I can't be precise at the moment as we are still working out costs but it is likely to be around 50 cents to a dollar per certificate. We are trying to keep costs down to get maximum reach to less economically advantaged nations. High volume will make the marketing dimension more effective but we also have to cover hosting, quality assurance and other costs. I don't really know where LibO certification fits into this. It might not and if so there is no harm done, we can just carry on as before. I just thought this might be an opportunity for something that could be a joint OOo/LibO activity and a means of raising brand awareness for LibO. Since I fly to Ecuador with Manfred Reiter from Frankfurt in about 1.5 weeks and the handbook is currently being translated into Spanish by Alexandro Colorado, it would be helpful to have an answer as soon as possible. If anyone wants a copy of the draft handbook I can send it. We aim to make it available from Lulu in paper form, as an e-book, as a downloadable pdf and in web pages translated into multiple languages. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
On 02/09/2011, M Robinson mr.m.robin...@gmail.com wrote: LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) I've tried this repeatedly, when I generate lines of text, number them (F12), delete every other line number, save in Microsoft Word 2007 XML (*.docx) format the results are always the same when viewed in MS Word 2007: the numbered lines with deleted numbers are no longer indented. However, the Open Office XML Text (*.docx) format does correctly save the file and appears as expected when viewed in MS Word 2007. These typical m$ queries are irrelevant to LO. If you want to create m$ documents, get money out of your pocket and pay for m$o. If the expected and desired behaviour occurs with the native odt format, then LO is good. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
On 04/09/2011 09:31, e-letter wrote: On 02/09/2011, M Robinsonmr.m.robin...@gmail.com wrote: LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) I've tried this repeatedly, when I generate lines of text, number them (F12), delete every other line number, save in Microsoft Word 2007 XML (*.docx) format the results are always the same when viewed in MS Word 2007: the numbered lines with deleted numbers are no longer indented. However, the Open Office XML Text (*.docx) format does correctly save the file and appears as expected when viewed in MS Word 2007. These typical m$ queries are irrelevant to LO. If you want to create m$ documents, get money out of your pocket and pay for m$o. If the expected and desired behaviour occurs with the native odt format, then LO is good. Unfortunately they aren't irrelevant. If only life were that simple. Whether or not you have a copy of MSO, to communicate with other people and companies it is frequently necessary to write .doc or .docx files. The original message is good information towards making that process better. -- Mike Hall www.onepoyle.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
Hi e-letter, e-letter wrote (04-09-11 10:31) These typical m$ queries are irrelevant to LO. If you want to create m$ documents, get money out of your pocket and pay for m$o. If the expected and desired behaviour occurs with the native odt format, then LO is good. Sorry, but I am not so happy with your post. Not only does it not help the poster with his question, it also breathes a negative attitude towards Microsoft. Which may be your or any ones personal choice, but is not the tone I would like to see promoted here. Would be great if you want to consider this. Regards, Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
Hello , M Robinson wrote (02-09-11 19:24) LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) I've tried this repeatedly, when I generate lines of text, number them (F12), delete every other line number, save in Microsoft Word 2007 XML (*.docx) format the results are always the same when viewed in MS Word 2007: the numbered lines with deleted numbers are no longer indented. However, the Open Office XML Text (*.docx) format does correctly save the file and appears as expected when viewed in MS Word 2007. Below are area screenshots of both formats viewed in MS Word 2007. http://imagebin.org/170701 http://imagebin.org/170702 Thanks for this clear problem description. I did a search in our bugtracker (on indent and docx) and found one possibly related post: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34283 Note that he most recent version is 3.4.3. Maybe that version does the job better? Fact is that the docx filters are not yet fully finished, so this might be on the to do list, In any case, I think it would be useful if there is an issue for your finding. Could you pls do that your self? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice Version 3.4.0, component writer. Thanks, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
On 04/09/2011, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi e-letter, e-letter wrote (04-09-11 10:31) These typical m$ queries are irrelevant to LO. If you want to create m$ documents, get money out of your pocket and pay for m$o. If the expected and desired behaviour occurs with the native odt format, then LO is good. Sorry, but I am not so happy with your post. Not only does it not help the poster with his question, it also breathes a negative attitude towards Microsoft. Which may be your or any ones personal choice, but is not the tone I would like to see promoted here. Long-term it does help, in terms of making very clear to the original poster that the priority is superior performance of LO. There is no negative attitude towards m$ except your own perception. The position is clear, help LO odt, not m$. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
On 04/09/2011, Mike Hall mike.h...@onepoyle.net wrote: ... Unfortunately they aren't irrelevant. If only life were that simple. Whether or not you have a copy of MSO, to communicate with other people and companies it is frequently necessary to write .doc or .docx files. Then you should buy m$o if receipt of m$ formats is mandatory. Otherwise, what's wrong with despatch of both pdf (to view) and odt (to promote LO)? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
On 04/09/2011 23:09, e-letter wrote: On 04/09/2011, Mike Hallmike.h...@onepoyle.net wrote: ... Unfortunately they aren't irrelevant. If only life were that simple. Whether or not you have a copy of MSO, to communicate with other people and companies it is frequently necessary to write .doc or .docx files. Then you should buy m$o if receipt of m$ formats is mandatory. Otherwise, what's wrong with despatch of both pdf (to view) and odt (to promote LO)? I can give you many examples. Here is one in my last post on this thread: I'm applying for a job. The company insists that CVs are submitted in Word XP format. In this case there is no option but to comply. This requirement is by no means unusual, especially for bigger companies. If you aren't willing to conform, your application will be rejected. The CV won't be read 'just in case'. And yes, the insistence is generally perfectly reasonable because the HR recruitment system only works with Word XP documents. -- Mike Hall www.onepoyle.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] The Microsoft Word 2007 XML(*.docx) format does not correctly save numbering edits.
Le 02/09/2011 19:24, M Robinson a écrit : LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) I've tried this repeatedly, when I generate lines of text, number them (F12), delete every other line number, save in Microsoft Word 2007 XML (*.docx) format the results are always the same when viewed in MS Word 2007: the numbered lines with deleted numbers are no longer indented. However, the Open Office XML Text (*.docx) format does correctly save the file and appears as expected when viewed in MS Word 2007. Below are area screenshots of both formats viewed in MS Word 2007. http://imagebin.org/170701 http://imagebin.org/170702 Hi, Try this : instead of saving in MS-Word format, do your work in odt format only. And when your document is finished, export it to the target format. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
