Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
I agree that in many scenarios the touch screen is irrelevant. (Both my Classics are behind glass.) I hope that either the touch functionality is not expensive to include (does anyone know?) or Logitech will eventually introduce a cheaper non-touch version. I personally would like a Non-Touch with a nice display like the Touch but larger, so it could be read easily from across a room. But the Touch display is already larger than old fashioned audio gear displays, so I don't know how many people would pay for a larger one. -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce wrote: I agree that in many scenarios the touch screen is irrelevant. (Both my Classics are behind glass.) I hope that either the touch functionality is not expensive to include (does anyone know?) or Logitech will eventually introduce a cheaper non-touch version. Touch screens are commodities these days. The old style screen was very expensive. I have not looked at the volume pricing, but I expect that a great, color touch screen is no more expensive than the old VLD screen. I do not expect (but I have no inside information) that a non-touch version will ever be made. What I expect is that touch screens will become ever cheaper as more cell phones and computer monitors include touch screens. Focusing on the screen is a bit misguided, IMHO. The Touch is much more than a Classic with a touch screen. Its a computer. Its not really a slim device as it can do things like read music off of a thumb or even external disk drive. For folks who already have a SlimServer, the ability of the Touch to work as a serverless system may not be all that critical, but for new users, it will be a godsend. Plus the DAC inside the Touch is better than the one in a Classic, so if you care about audio quality, you can save the cost of an expensive external DAC. Its better. Really. It will be releases soon, as soon as the software is ready. And I am sure that over time, the price will come down. What folks tend to forget is that the Classic is just a new name on a SB3, and the SB3 is just a new plastic package on the SB2. Its really old. Its ancient, almost prehistoric, in computer peripheral times. The underlying technology of the Classic/SB3/SB2 is nearly too old to contemplate. Sure, its dirt cheap, but so is a Pentium 4 computer. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] 20% off on amazon (if you buy 2)
Amazon is offering a 20% rebate on all Logitech products if you buy 2 to 5 of them on a single order between now and Christmas. You have to buy from amazon rather than one of their partners; you can see the details on the amazon pages of eligible products. I won't bother telling you what various Squeezebox components cost after rebate because amazon's prices change constantly, but there are some good deals to be got. -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72546 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
pfarrell;495076 Wrote: The Touch is much more than a Classic with a touch screen. Its a computer. Its not really a slim device as it can do things like read music off of a thumb or even external disk drive. For folks who already have a SlimServer, the ability of the Touch to work as a serverless system may not be all that critical, but for new users, it will be a godsend. I don't understand the configurations and usage scenarios you're anticipating will be a godsend. How many people carry music around on thumb drives as opposed to MP3 players (which don't need a Touch to play through a stereo)? Will people buy an external drive to store their music rather than running SlimServer on a PC, and if so, how will they add music to it, and will the drive be accessible throughout their network? I agree that setting up and managing a SlimServer is complicated for non-techies, but I don't understand how the Touch will help. Maybe I'm missing something. (Thanks for the rest of your reply, however, which makes sense to me.) -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce;495081 Wrote: I don't understand the configurations and usage scenarios you're anticipating will be a godsend. How many people carry music around on thumb drives as opposed to MP3 players (which don't need a Touch to play through a stereo)? Will people buy an external drive to store their music rather than running SlimServer on a PC, and if so, how will they add music to it, and will the drive be accessible throughout their network? I agree that setting up and managing a SlimServer is complicated for non-techies, but I don't understand how the Touch will help. Maybe I'm missing something. (Thanks for the rest of your reply, however, which makes sense to me.) It has samba, so the disc will appear on the network just as any other NAS . But the built in server has some limitations, for example no web-UI wich I think is a mistakes as so many want to use the web-UI for controlling the device, in this case you are better served by a real server. But it has much more options than the SB3 the improved 24/96 digital out sold it to me. It is marketed as costing the same as the SB3 the US price of the Touch is the same as the original US price for the SB3 . But nobody told the rest of logitech so it is 1/3 more expensive than the original SB3 price in most of Europe, this would upset some (inluding me) but it only expose lack of control and limitations withing logitech. Eventually on-line stores will bring the price down. But in the end of the day,price would not stop me from getting it ? It costs a mere fraction of the music library that you are supposed to play on it anyway. -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce Wrote: Will people buy an external drive to store their music rather than running SlimServer on a PC, and if so, how will they add music to it, and will the drive be accessible throughout their network? Yes they will. They can add music to it via a Samba network share or by plugging the drive directly into their PC. MC -- ModelCitizen Think the third party Squeeze plugins and applets are important? Then 'vote for bug 14194' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14194) so more can be made. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
Are you saying that if you have a Touch with an external drive attached to it, the Touch will function as a server for other Squeezeboxes on your network? Or can only Touches on your network access that drive? How would you perform the functions that are currently part of server management? Are those all accessible from individual players or the player that is connected to the external drive? -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce;495095 Wrote: Are you saying that if you have a Touch with an external drive attached to it, the Touch will function as a server for other Squeezeboxes on your network? Or can only Touches on your network access that drive? All players. But with some limitations, such as no web interface, no plugins, and no transcoding. How would you perform the functions that are currently part of server management? Are those all accessible from individual players or the player that is connected to the external drive? You can access them from the Touch. The server management functions are pretty limited, though. Scanning is revamped, so that you shouldn't need to manually launch library scans. But many of the server settings that can be accessed in the web interface's manager won't be accessible, at least not in the initial launch. I imagine a few might later become available. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce;495095 Wrote: Are you saying that if you have a Touch with an external drive attached to it, the Touch will function as a server for other Squeezeboxes on your network? Or can only Touches on your network access that drive? How would you perform the functions that are currently part of server management? Are those all accessible from individual players or the player that is connected to the external drive? It will function as a server for other squeezeboxes too, within some limits. I think the duet and SB3/2 and transporter is supported but the old slimp3 is not supported ? And the server on the Touch do not support transcoding. so it has limits on what file formats to support for older players. The Touch do support more file formats natively than any older squeezebox, making less demands on the server this will be beneficial for some radio stations too that have until now required a local server to play on any squeezebox. I have no idea on how to configure a multi-player setup from the touch screen I'm not a beta tester so I have not seen one irl yet. And the software is still developed as we speak. -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
If Logitech could market the Squeezebox line as not requiring a server to play one's music collection, just an external hard drive (which they could even sell as an option) connected to a Touch, and all the server functions could be handled by a combination of the Touch, the other players, and iTunes (or similar software to easily manage the music) running on a computer somewhere on the network, then that would truly be a big step forward. -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce;495103 Wrote: If Logitech could market the Squeezebox line as not requiring a server to play one's music collection, just an external hard drive (which they could even sell as an option) connected to a Touch, and all the server functions could be handled by a combination of the Touch, the other players, and iTunes (or similar software to easily manage the music) running on a computer somewhere on the network, then that would truly be a big step forward. I'm sure they're counting on it selling Squeezeboxes. Whether or not it's really a step forward remains to be seen. I think there will be more than a few people disappointed in the limitations of the server. They can still run the 'big' server with all the capabilities if they want, but you know they'll insist on both - all the former capabilities and running on the tiny little computer in the Touch. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 20% off on amazon (if you buy 2)
bruce;495079 Wrote: Amazon is offering a 20% rebate on all Logitech products if you buy 2 to 5 of them on a single order between now and Christmas. You have to buy from amazon rather than one of their partners; you can see the details on the amazon pages of eligible products. Bruce, thanks for that but can you give a link please? Amazon now use a fragmented market system...US, UK, FR, DE that I know of, and no doubt there are others. Happy Christmas, kesey -- kesey kesey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72546 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problem with Transporter digital inputs (noise)
I'm using a Transporter as preamp and a Rotel power amp. When i'm using the Transporter as a DAC for my Samsung TV it works perfectly when there is an incomming signal for the Transporter. But when when I turn the TV off or disconnect the optical cable from the TV there is white noise and small clicks or something similar. It's the same problem with all digital inputs on the Transporter. No signal or cable = noise. I've tried with another amplifier and the problem is the Transporter. Is it broken and need repair? -- degofedal degofedal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34934 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72554 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
Touch advantages over SB3: - color display (album art on player) - touch screen - USB input (used as a server or quick Plug Play usage) - built in server (with limitations) - 24/96 support - better DAC - acts as a Controller for all other SB players For 1/3 more cost than today's close out sale price of an SB3, and the same original MSRP of $300, I'd say it's a bargain! Wait a year or two and the Touch will be 1/3 less than current MSRP. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem with Transporter digital inputs (noise)
degofedal;495113 Wrote: I'm using a Transporter as preamp and a Rotel power amp. When i'm using the Transporter as a DAC for my Samsung TV it works perfectly when there is an incomming signal for the Transporter. But when when I turn the TV off or disconnect the optical cable from the TV there is white noise and small clicks or something similar. It's the same problem with all digital inputs on the Transporter. No signal or cable = noise. I've tried with another amplifier and the problem is the Transporter. Is it broken and need repair? That's the noise a dac makes if it cannot lock to an incoming bitstream. Some dacs have muting cicuits that kill that noise - maybe the TP doesn't? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72554 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox Receiver - Where to buy?
I've been looking for a Squeezebox receiver for a few weeks now without any luck. There are a few for sale for well over list price on ebay. So I've been wondering if the receiver is just very popular or being phased out of production? -- e8link e8link's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34941 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72560 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495041 Wrote: I personally would have preferred a decent 7 display without the touch capabilities. After all, it comes with a remote (unlike the Radio), and the Classic did not have any buttons either. You nailed it. I guess the touch capability is the kind of gimmick that sells stuff - but usually won't be used after the excitement of new technology wears off. pfarrell;495076 Wrote: What folks tend to forget is that the Classic is just a new name on a SB3, and the SB3 is just a new plastic package on the SB2. Its really old. Its ancient, almost prehistoric, in computer peripheral times. The underlying technology of the Classic/SB3/SB2 is nearly too old to contemplate. Sure, its dirt cheap, but so is a Pentium 4 computer. The fact that something is old is a bad excuse to make something new. I don't care if it's old - I only care if it works. And it does exactly what I want from my wifi music player to do - play music and show what's playing even when I'm further away. ModelCitizen;495091 Wrote: Yes they will. They can add music to it via a Samba network share or by plugging the drive directly into their PC. Now that is something I can agree is an advantage for the Touch (again, where is this mentioned outside the forums?). If the user doesn't need plugins or the web-UI, then this is front page news IMHO. The fact that Squeezeboxes needs a computer or other platform (NAS) to run the server is the most limiting factor I can think of at the moment. But since I DO need plugins and the web-UI, this won't cut it for me. toby10;495121 Wrote: Touch advantages over SB3: - color display (album art on player) - touch screen - USB input (used as a server or quick Plug Play usage) - built in server (with limitations) - 24/96 support - better DAC - acts as a Controller for all other SB players - Album art: album art is nice, but I wouldn't pay for it - for a long time now I have not thought my music as albums. I have playlists that contain songs from many different albums and artists, thus I don't really care of the whole album concept. But maybe this is just me. - Touch screen: touch screen will most likely be useless for me (although I reserve the right for changing my mind:)). Let me ask you this: you are laying on the couch listening to music and you want to skip a song/adjust the volume. Do you get up to do this, or use the remote that you can reach from the sofa? I can't think of any scenario where I would want to control my music player without a remote, other than to show off my shiny (or not so shiny, depending on the amount of fingerprints) touch screen to someone else. - USB input: this is a basic function for any music player these days, and kinda goes against the whole idea of networked music player - Built in server: Good! - 24/96: don't really know anything about this.. But I'm happy with my current sound quality. - better DAC: Isn't this only used with analog output? Correct me if I'm wrong.. - Controller for other players: I have never had multiple SB's so can't comment much about this.. Can't you already control all SB's through web-interface? And if you have different music playing on different rooms, it would be kinda pointless to control them from somewhere else than the room in question. Thanks for the good discussions everyone, I needed some opinions about this since it's been bugging me for a long time :D The fact that I now need to pay much more for things I don't need still remains however. 300 euros is right on the edge of being WAY too much for a device like SB's. This whole thing actually started when I considered giving SB as a christmas present and then noticed the price difference (not to mention the fact that right now I can't buy a Squeezebox without speakers at all!). But as always, this is just my opinion. -- squeez-er squeez-er's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Ok thanks for the reply :) -- local.bin local.bin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495158 Wrote: This whole thing actually started when I considered giving SB as a christmas present and then noticed the price difference (not to mention the fact that right now I can't buy a Squeezebox without speakers at all!). But as always, this is just my opinion. Duet?? all interesting reading though, i have a duet right now which i think will be retired to the bedroom and a couple of computer speakers hooked up. I didnt really like the duet controller, just a bit slow and more complicated than it needed to be for single player control (probably should have bought the SB3, but now with touch on its way glad i didnt) A Radio is on its way for the kitchen which will be perfect i think and then the touch will be main lounge player but more importantly will be the server too and the fact from what im reading will turn any usb drive into a NAS, that sounds good, anyone know if it will have full nas capability and be able to share all files or just music? wonder what the speed will be like? as for the touch screen, will it used? NEVER - will be stuffed under the TV and i will be using the IR remote as it will be speedier than ipeng. -- trouty00 trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495158 Wrote: The fact that something is old is a bad excuse to make something new. I don't care if it's old - I only care if it works. And it does exactly what I want from my wifi music player to do - play music and show what's playing even when I'm further away. It may be a bad excuse, but that's the basic MO for consumer capitalism. Old models are constantly replaced by new models. Sometimes the newer models are better, sometimes not. For electronics a common pattern is to keep the same price point and add features/capacity. If you like your SB3 and think you might want more, buy them now. squeez-er;495158 Wrote: - USB input: this is a basic function for any music player these days, and kinda goes against the whole idea of networked music player I think you still don't quite understand the feature. Plug an external USB drive with your music library into the SB Touch and it appears on your network as a shared network drive, and all of the music is available to the Touch and any other SB in the house. How does this go ...against the whole idea of networked music player? squeez-er;495158 Wrote: - Controller for other players: I have never had multiple SB's so can't comment much about this.. Can't you already control all SB's through web-interface? And if you have different music playing on different rooms, it would be kinda pointless to control them from somewhere else than the room in question. Yes, you can control them through the web ui, if you want to be sitting at your computer while listening to music. I would say the whole idea of SBs is to get the user away from the computer. I have ~10 SBs and don't find it at all 'pointless' to control players from a different room. I usually do it from within the same room, but not always. Also, I am sure that some people won't even connect the SB Touch directly to their audio system at all, and instead use it exclusively for controlling other players. At least one of the other beta testers has said as much, and one of the Logitech staff has posted photos of his wall-mounted SB Touch that acts only as a controller. Seems like a waste of good audio outputs to me, but that's what works in their settings. squeez-er;495158 Wrote: The fact that I now need to pay much more for things I don't need still remains however. 300 euros is right on the edge of being WAY too much for a device like SB's. This whole thing actually started when I considered giving SB as a christmas present and then noticed the price difference (not to mention the fact that right now I can't buy a Squeezebox without speakers at all!). But as always, this is just my opinion. You can't find an SB3 at any retailers? What about eBay? Last I looked there were quite a few. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
pfarrell;495043 Wrote: I have not tried mine at a typical living room distance. For example, my Transporter is about 15 feet from my favorite listening chair. But other beta testers claim that it is easily read at 10 feet or so. I don't have 10 feet long 3 meters to our euro-zone friends), so I've never worried about that part. I guess as a pure replacement for the Classic, it could raise some concerns. I am not so much worried about the readability (the font seems sufficiently big), just about the amount of text that can be displayed without scrolling. I have set all my SBs to Scroll once and stop because I find the constant movement in the corner of my eye somewhat annyoing. Hm. Now that I think of it I'm not sure if that setting is even available on the Touch, I can't seem to find it in the SqueezePlay menus. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495168 Wrote: I am not so much worried about the readability (the font seems sufficiently big), just about the amount of text that can be displayed without scrolling. I have set all my SBs to Scroll once and stop because I find the constant movement in the corner of my eye somewhat annyoing. Hm. Now that I think of it I'm not sure if that setting is even available on the Touch, I can't seem to find it in the SqueezePlay menus. You may already be aware of this, but just in case you're not, the Touch's LCD is higher resolution than the SB2/SB3/Classic's. So the width of the Touch display is only about 60% of the Classic comparison is misleading, because even with its larger fonts the Touch accommodates a lot more than 60% of the text that the Classic shows with 'standard' fontsize. I haven't measured it, but I would guesstimate that it's probably around 85%. Definitely less than 100%, but nowhere near as bad as 60%. Also, don't forget that the Touch has 3 text lines that are potentially readable from across the room (depending on distance, lighting, and eyesight), whereas the top line of the Classic in 'standard' font is too small to read from more than a few feet away. NB: For comparison I'm referring to the Touch's Now Playing screen that is text only, with no album art. Presumably that's what someone who wants maximum text real estate would use. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495158 Wrote: .. The fact that I now need to pay much more for things I don't need still remains however. 300 euros is right on the edge of being WAY too much for a device like SB's. This whole thing actually started when I considered giving SB as a christmas present and then noticed the price difference (not to mention the fact that right now I can't buy a Squeezebox without speakers at all!). But as always, this is just my opinion. Yes, for you it's not worth it. I'm just pointing out the *many* advantages of the Touch over the (now discontinued) SB3, and these advantages will drive sales and generate new interest in the entire SB lineup. And all for the same introduction price point as the original SB3. They are essentially taking the SB3 (which was wildly popular at $300 to many people), added numerous features and functions, and are offering it at the same introductory price point. Your options: buy used SB 1/2/3's, wait a year or so for the Touch price to drop to current SB3 prices, buy lesser capable streaming devices. I'd love to buy a 3rd generation 64gb iTouch at the same price as what the 1st generation 8gb iTouch is selling for. But then reality sets in. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 25% off at Logitech store (Europe)
westiebj;494980 Wrote: I did manage to get the code but unfortunately the prices shown on the UK website are so high in the first place they are still more expensive after discount than most other retail sites eg :- Transporter :- Logitech UK Regular price= 1799 GBP Logitech UK Price after discount = 1349 GBP Average price in UK = 1250 GBP (Can be found for less) Boom :- Logitech UK Regular price= 249 GBP Logitech UK Price after discount = 186 GBP Average price in UK = 179 GBP (Again can be found for less) So no savings for UK This offer is still of good use to buy spares like batteries, cradles or PSUs that aren't available elsewhere. But of course you are right to think first and compare prices. :) -- signor_rossi signor_rossi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11941 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72516 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce;495103 Wrote: So as long as you have one Touch on your network, most any player (Touch, Receiver, Transporter, Boom, Radio, or SB3/2) on your network can play music from any hard drive(s) on your network, without any server running? Not from -any- drive on the network, only from USB drives that are directly connected to the Touch. But it works the other way around, the Touch can act as a NAS and other computers can access that drive over the network. pfarrell;495076 Wrote: The Touch is much more than a Classic with a touch screen. Its a computer. That's exactly the point. The SB3 is discontinued, and there is no direct replacement. Of course you can ignore the built-in server and the touch screen and just use the Touch as a player, but that's like buying a house and then living in a single room only. I would really like to use it as a standalone server, but its capabilities seem way too limited, given that plugins are not fully supported and you already need a plugin to do such simple things as automatic playlists based on track ratings. In combination it feels overpriced as a player, and underpowered as a server. pfarrell;495076 Wrote: What folks tend to forget is that the Classic is just a new name on a SB3, and the SB3 is just a new plastic package on the SB2. To be honest, of all types of SBs that have ever been made I like the SB2 best. I would immediately buy one, but they seem really hard to get, even harder than the SB1. I don't like the upright form factor of the Classic and the Touch - my stereo rack is more than 10 deep, but there is only so much vertical space left. My SB1 fits there neatly, as would an SB2, the Classic would already look crammed in, and the Touch might not fit at all. If one of the reasons to discontinue the Classic was that the displays are no longer made, couldn't they build a similar player around a current one like this: '24064-CCFL' (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-27/DSA-534851.pdf)? These would be totally sufficient to display now playing information, they are almost as wide as the Classic display, and not much taller. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA controller solution
Rob W;495046 Wrote: Probably a dumb question: How do I minimise SCtrl? Clicking the red gearwheel closes it completely, and I haven't found any other way of navigating away from it other than by answering the phone. Thanks Probably depends on the phone/sw. On my Touch Pro with a custom rom, the hard home key essentially minimizes it and switches you back to the home screen. eric -- EricBergan EricBergan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4746 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62486 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to get Artwork?
jsmathers;283137 Wrote:
I also use a java script to save iTunes artwork to a file. Google for
iTunes COM SDK for more info. My script basically does the same as
andlauer's, but I added a few options you can set. The
bOptIgnoreBadArtworkComment option allows you to add a Don't use iTunes
artwork comment to the mp3 if the iTunes artwork is wrong or low
resolution and it won't save the artwork for that file. Of course you
could also just clear the bad downloaded artwork in iTunes, but then
you'll have to do this again if you ever rescan your iTunes library.
The other options are pretty self-explanatory.
Download the attached text file and rename it to
SaveItunesArtworkToFile.js. Make sure iTunes is open and double-click
the js file to run the script. Here is the code from the script for
reference...
-
// Script options
var bOptSaveEmbeddedArtwork = false;
var bOptIgnoreBadArtworkComment = false;
var bOptOverwriteArtworkFile = false;
var bOptCreateArtworkThumbs = false;
var iTunesApp = WScript.CreateObject(iTunes.Application);
var tracks = iTunesApp.LibraryPlaylist.Tracks;
// NOTE: Change to Test playlist for testing
//var tracks =
iTunesApp.LibrarySource.Playlists.ItemByName(Test).Tracks;
// NOTE: Instead of looking for Don't use iTunes artwork comment, can
also create smart playlist
//var tracks = iTunesApp.LibrarySource.Playlists.ItemByName(Use iTunes
Artwork).Tracks;
var numTracks = tracks.Count;
var currTrack;
var count = 0;
var fso = new ActiveXObject(Scripting.FileSystemObject);
var shell = new ActiveXObject(WScript.Shell);
var albumArray = new Array();
for (var i = 1; i = numTracks; i++)
{
currTrack = tracks.Item(i);
var album = currTrack.Album;
if ((album != undefined) (album != ))
if (albumArray[album] == undefined)
albumArray[album] = currTrack;
}
for (var albumNameKey in albumArray)
{
try
{
currTrack = albumArray[albumNameKey];
if (currTrack.Artwork.Count == 0)
continue;
var artItem = currTrack.Artwork.Item(1);
if (!bOptSaveEmbeddedArtwork)
if (!artItem.IsDownloadedArtwork)
continue;
// Look for a comment indicating if we should NOT save artwork
// (separate multiple comments with a semi-colon)
if (!bOptIgnoreBadArtworkComment)
{
var bSaveArtwork = true;
var comments = currTrack.Comment.split(;);
for (var j = 0; j comments.length; j++)
if (comments[j] == Don't use iTunes artwork)
{
bSaveArtwork = false;
break;
}
if (!bSaveArtwork)
continue;
}
var type;
if (artItem.Format == 0)
continue;
else if (artItem.Format == 1)
type = jpg;
else if(artItem.Format == 2)
type = png;
else if(artItem.Format == 3)
type = bmp;
else
continue;
// Save artwork in same directory as track
var loc = currTrack.Location;
var parentFolder = loc.substr(0,loc.lastIndexOf(\\)) + \\;
var artworkPath = parentFolder + cover. + type;
// Don't save artwork if already exists
if (!bOptOverwriteArtworkFile)
if (fso.FileExists(artworkPath))
continue;
artItem.SaveArtworkToFile(artworkPath);
count++;
// Create artwork thumbnails using ImageMagick convert
(www.imagemagick.org)
if (bOptCreateArtworkThumbs)
{
shell.Run(C:\\convert.exe -thumbnail 300x300 \ +
artworkPath + \ \ + parentFolder + cover_sm. + type + \, 0);
shell.Run(C:\\convert.exe -thumbnail 150x150 \ +
artworkPath + \ \ + parentFolder + cover_tn2. + type + \, 0);
shell.Run(C:\\convert.exe -thumbnail 100x100 \ +
artworkPath + \ \ + parentFolder + cover_tn. + type + \, 0);
}
}
catch(er)
{
WScript.Echo(er);
}
}
WScript.Echo (Saved artwork for + count + tracks.);
This worked great to put the art work into my mp3 folder but is there a
way for it to also copy them to my identical flac folder?
Thanks, DeWayne
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Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
aubuti;495176 Wrote: You may already be aware of this, but just in case you're not, the Touch's LCD is higher resolution than the SB2/SB3/Classic's. Correct, but the pixel resolution is totally irrelevant when viewed from the distance. I already cannot distinguish individual pixels on the current VFD when I am more than five feet away, it's just the physical size that counts here. aubuti;495176 Wrote: NB: For comparison I'm referring to the Touch's Now Playing screen that is text only, with no album art. Presumably that's what someone who wants maximum text real estate would use. Interesting, that doesn't seem to exist in the desktop SqueezePlay skin. Could you post some screenshots of the various Now Playing screens? Maybe that could change my mind. :) -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
trouty00;495165 Wrote: Duet?? I completely forgot that. But no, I wouldn't want to get the Duet either because it doesn't have a screen and I have heard bad things about the remote (last time from you ;)). aubuti;495166 Wrote: I think you still don't quite understand the feature. Plug an external USB drive with your music library into the SB Touch and it appears on your network as a shared network drive, and all of the music is available to the Touch and any other SB in the house. How does this go ...against the whole idea of networked music player? I do understand this - but the list contained USB-drive and server separately, so I assumed the first one referred to the simple plug play function that almost all music players have (you can plug USB-stick into the device and it will play whatever music is stored on it). Sorry the confusion. aubuti;495166 Wrote: Yes, you can control them through the web ui, if you want to be sitting at your computer while listening to music. I would say the whole idea of SBs is to get the user away from the computer. And I would agree. That's why I control the music from my phone (any phone with a decent web browser does the job) or my 9 inch laptop. aubuti;495166 Wrote: You can't find an SB3 at any retailers? What about eBay? Last I looked there were quite a few. I guess I was a little unfair there - yes, I can still find the SB3 from some retailers. What I meant was that as it is no longer manufactured, there's no guarantee how long it will be available or how easy it will be to find one. toby10;495178 Wrote: Yes, for you it's not worth it. I'm just pointing out the *many* advantages of the Touch over the (now discontinued) SB3, and these advantages will drive sales and generate new interest in the entire SB lineup. And all for the same introduction price point as the original SB3. I'm sure what you say is correct. It's just too bad that those who want a player like SB3 (just a player with clear and large display) are left out.Even if they buy the Touch, they are getting a smaller display. toby10;495178 Wrote: They are essentially taking the SB3 (which was wildly popular at $300 to many people), added numerous features and functions, and are offering it at the same introductory price point. Oh yeah, the Touch would be awesome for $300. But not for *$438.6* which is the price in Europe. The best price I could find for SB3 at the moment was $248 (from a retail store). toby10;495178 Wrote: Your options: buy used SB 1/2/3's, wait a year or so for the Touch price to drop to current SB3 prices, buy lesser capable streaming devices. As much as I would love to believe that the Touch will 1/3 cheaper after a year, I can't. My guess would be 3 years. -- squeez-er squeez-er's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495192 Wrote: .. I don't like the upright form factor of the Classic and the Touch - my stereo rack is more than 10 deep, but there is only so much vertical space left. My SB1 fits there neatly, as would an SB2, the Classic would already look crammed in, and the Touch might not fit at all.. The nice thing about the Touch and SB3 is their light, small form factor (thin client design). So light in fact, that like you I was limited on AV rack space for my SB3, so I created a floating SB3 taking up no space on the AV rack shelves. Using just a wire hanger and a flat black piece of rubber tubing my SB3 is floating centered above the top shelf AV devices. All wires (support hanger, power, RJ45, Optical) are all hidden inside the black tubing (I'm a wire FANATIC! You don't see *any* wires in my home if at all possible). The support hanger is in no way visible and is mounted to the back of the AV rack, SB3 is at eye level and angled slightly down for easy reading of the display and no glare issues. This is NOT a good setup if you intend to use the Touch's screen touch capabilities though as the player will move around as you touch the screen. :( -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495192 Wrote: . If one of the reasons to discontinue the Classic was that the displays are no longer made, couldn't they build a similar player around a current one like this: '24064-CCFL' (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-27/DSA-534851.pdf)? These would be totally sufficient to display now playing information, they are almost as wide as the Classic display, and not much taller. Who knows, maybe they have several other players in Beta right now, I dunno. But I doubt it. I think they have the width of players they want to have and are willing to support. I'd bet the Touch is the only SB3 like (i.e. with screen, no speakers) player we will see for quite a while. :( -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495201 Wrote: I'm sure what you say is correct. It's just too bad that those who want a player like SB3 (just a player with clear and large display) are left out.Even if they buy the Touch, they are getting a smaller display... Many miss the simplicity of physical dials on car radios. Technology marches forward, get on board or be run over. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495201 Wrote: As much as I would love to believe that the Touch will 1/3 cheaper after a year, I can't. My guess would be 3 years. Could be, though there was a recent 20% discount offered for Touch pre-orders, dunno the details or if it was available to EU customers. I guess you and I will both be shopping in 3 years, you for the discounted Touch, me for the discounted 3rd generation 64 gb iTouch. If we want todays tech at discounted prices, we must wait. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
toby10;495212 Wrote: Many miss the simplicity of physical dials on car radios. Technology marches forward, get on board or be run over. :) Lol, technology marches forward, but does it always march in the right direction? Like I said, many times new technology is developed and sold (and bought..) just because it's new. Doesn't mean it's better. -- squeez-er squeez-er's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
toby10;495218 Wrote: Could be, though there was a recent 20% discount offered for Touch pre-orders, dunno the details or if it was available to EU customers. I guess you and I will both be shopping in 3 years, you for the discounted Touch, me for the discounted 3rd generation 64 gb iTouch. If we want todays tech at discounted prices, we must wait. :) The thing is, I -don't- want todays tech (Touch) even if I could get it at discounted price right now. The price isn't my biggest problem, the features are. I'm willing to pay if I get something in return. The Touch - for my use - is a step backwards. -- squeez-er squeez-er's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495197 Wrote: Correct, but the pixel resolution is totally irrelevant when viewed from the distance. I already cannot distinguish individual pixels on the current VFD when I am more than five feet away, it's just the physical size that counts here. Interesting, that doesn't seem to exist in the desktop SqueezePlay skin. Could you post some screenshots of the various Now Playing screens? Maybe that could change my mind. :) I disagree that pixel resolution is irrelevant. You know the point isn't to see the individual pixels. Packing the pixels tighter on the SBT means you can make equally legible text in less horizontal space. Here's the NP screen with only text, no album art, side by side with a Classic. When I get a chance, I'll do another one using a track with a longer title, so you can judge better the amount of truncation on the SBT. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=492388#post492388 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
I have upgraded to Mac OS 10.6 and tried NET UDAP. Both the SVN and the zip file load fine, but the discover command returns instantaneously. I also tried the broacast_test.pl (working blindly here) which told me that IO/Interface/SIMPLE.pm cannot be located. Any clues on what is up? Is @INC, which point to a Perl Library correct? Thanks in advance. Eric -- ericj ericj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57861 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495219 Wrote: Lol, technology marches forward, but does it always march in the right direction? Like I said, many times new technology is developed and sold (and bought..) just because it's new. Doesn't mean it's better. The thing is, I -don't- want todays tech (Touch) even if I could get it at discounted price right now. The price isn't my biggest problem, the features are. I'm willing to pay if I get something in return. The Touch - for my use - is a step backwards. For the vast majority of users, YES, the Touch IS the right direction and YES it IS better. :) Agreed, Touch is of no added value to *you*, so as suggested buy used SB 1/2/3's or wait three years for a lower cost Touch. *shrug* My dad only uses AM radio in his car, not fully utilizing the car's 16 speakers or 6 CD changer or USB and iPod inputs. But that's what came with the car. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er;495219 Wrote: The thing is, I -don't- want todays tech (Touch) even if I could get it at discounted price right now. The price isn't my biggest problem, the features are. I'm willing to pay if I get something in return. The Touch - for my use - is a step backwards. I guess you're out of luck and have two choices. Buy a bunch of SB3's and hoard them until they are in great demand or find a competitive solution. :rolleyes: -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
bruce wrote: running on a computer somewhere on the network, then that would truly be a big step forward. Its really, a big step forward. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
squeez-er wrote: The fact that something is old is a bad excuse to make something new. I don't care if it's old - I only care if it works. And it does exactly what I want from my wifi music player to do - play music and show what's playing even when I'm further away. Er, you seem to be fighting the realities and economics of the consumer electronic industry. Moore's law drives everything and it either drives the price of old stuff to zero (bad for profits) or it drives the company to add new features to use up all the power that Moore's law provides. Apple is on the third generation of the iPhone since January 9, 2007. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: Mobile skin for iPhone, iPod touch, PSP, LG Dare, Samsung Instinct ...
I also can't find the option to change album lists from text only to the album art. Dave77 if you figured this out, it would be greatly appreciated if you detailed the solution you found. Thanks, Paul -- pauljones pauljones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
toby10;495204 Wrote: The nice thing about the Touch and SB3 is their light, small form factor (thin client design). So light in fact, that like you I was limited on AV rack space for my SB3, so I created a floating SB3 taking up no space on the AV rack shelves. Using just a wire hanger and a flat black piece of rubber tubing my SB3 is floating centered above the top shelf AV devices. Nice idea. :) I would have to put it -way- above the top shelf though, or otherwise I would no longer be able to open the lid of my record player (which I still use since I've only ripped a small fraction of my LPs to disk yet). Wasn't there a rumour about a wall mount for the Touch? aubuti;495226 Wrote: I disagree that pixel resolution is irrelevant. You know the point isn't to see the individual pixels. Packing the pixels tighter on the SBT means you can make equally legible text in less horizontal space. Which means you are essentially using the higher resolution to create a smaller font. But if you want sufficiently big text (of the same physical size on both devices) and read that from the distance, it makes no difference whether that font is made of 24 or 32 pixels. aubuti;495226 Wrote: Here's the NP screen with only text, no album art, side by side with a Classic. When I get a chance, I'll do another one using a track with a longer title, so you can judge better the amount of truncation on the SBT. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=492388#post492388 Great, thanks. I see you have the track time in the bottom row which uses up some space. If you move that to the top row like I have and use the entire bottom row for the title, according to the photo I'd guess that you can show a text that is more than twice as long on the Classic, while there is only room for about 50% more on the Touch. But I admit that it does not look as bad as I expected. As you mention truncation, is it possible to turn scrolling off and simply truncate the text, or will it inevitably scroll everything that doesn't fit? I could live with truncation, I just hate text that is scrolling all the time. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495249 Wrote: Wasn't there a rumour about a wall mount for the Touch? Yes, it exists. Though I don't think that would be much help inside an AV cabinet in most instances. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem with Transporter digital inputs (noise)
I never noticed this but from what you've described it sounds like Transporter's S/PDIF receiver chip is to blame. The noise floor on the DAC is low enough that it doesn't need a muting circuit, but it sounds like a software check to test if the S/PDIF input is active may be needed. Seems silly that the receiver would produce anything but zeroes while waiting for a lock. So if you exit s/pdif input mode (eg play some music from the computer then press pause), it goes away? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72554 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
pfarrell;495243 Wrote: Moore's law drives everything and it either drives the price of old stuff to zero (bad for profits) or it drives the company to add new features to use up all the power that Moore's law provides. I had to learn that when I bought my first ink jet printer. I knew exactly which model I wanted to buy, I just wanted it to become a bit cheaper. But instead of that it was discontinued, and a follow-up model was released at exactly the same price. Another thing I observed is that at the end of a product's life the street price might even rise again. Kind of logical if you think about it because the cheapest dealers will get rid of their stock first, but surprising if you expect the price to gow down continually. So anybody who still wants a new Classic should probably not wait until the last minute. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
(Touch Wall Mount) toby10;495252 Wrote: Yes, it exists. Though I don't think that would be much help inside an AV cabinet in most instances. Of course not -inside- the cabinet, but one could mount the Touch on the wall next to it without the need for an extra shelf. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495264 Wrote: Another thing I observed is that at the end of a product's life the street price might even rise again. Kind of logical if you think about it because the cheapest dealers will get rid of their stock first, but surprising if you expect the price to gow down continually. So anybody who still wants a new Classic should probably not wait until the last minute. Not just the cheapest dealers selling out first, but also the price going up because of scarcity as there are fewer out there. Constant demand + shrinking supply = increasing price. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
pfarrell;495243 Wrote: Er, you seem to be fighting the realities and economics of the consumer electronic industry. Can't blame me for trying :) -- squeez-er squeez-er's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495266 Wrote: Of course not -inside- the cabinet, but one could mount the Touch on the wall next to it without the need for an extra shelf. Yes, you could do that. But it's a recess mounting bracket, so then you'd need to fiddle with getting the interconnects back out of the wall to get to your amp. Here's some pics: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67420 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
aubuti;495272 Wrote: Yes, you could do that. But it's a recess mounting bracket, so then you'd need to fiddle with getting the interconnects back out of the wall to get to your amp. Here's some pics: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67420 Ah, yes, I forgot about the wires. :( Is it just me, or does anybody else agree that with the wall mount it looks a lot like an electricity meter? :D http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8053stc=1d=1251998911 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/476660042_ec4d5096d6.jpg -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495192 Wrote: Not from -any- drive on the network, only from USB drives that are directly connected to the Touch. ... I would really like to use it as a standalone server, but its capabilities seem way too limited, given that plugins are not fully supported and you already need a plugin to do such simple things as automatic playlists based on track ratings. In that case, here's how I think the Touch could turn Squeezebox line into a successful semi-mass market product: 1) Logitech should sell a few external drives in varying sizes appropriate for music storage. Ideally these would come with housing that looks related to the Touch and can share a power adapter with the Touch. Audio users shouldn't feel like they're shopping for computer parts. 2) Make sure that a non-technical user can configure all their players with the most important features using some combination of the server Touch (the one that hosts the music drive), the other players on the network, and a separate admin utility that can run on a computer on the network. By most important features I don't mean all plugins, but I would include lazy search because that is so essential to a usable system. I've heard that lazy search must be a separate plugin not provided by Logitech for legal reasons; if that's true, then Logitech needs to make it possible for someone to make a similar plugin for the Touch, even if there's not a more general plugin capacity. Couldn't smart playlists be set up with iTunes or similar programs? -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495285 Wrote: Ah, yes, I forgot about the wires. :( Is it just me, or does anybody else agree that with the wall mount it looks a lot like an electricity meter? :D http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8053stc=1d=1251998911 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/476660042_ec4d5096d6.jpg I guess you haven't seen the MySB App for whole house thermostat control! :) Of course if Touch loses it's connection to MySB then your heat doesn't work, but hey -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to *delete* a favorite?
It's easy enough to add a favorite. But how does one delete one? I added one accidentally and truly can not find a way in the web control or remote to delete it. -- pablolie ...pablo Server: Shuttle X27D - Ubuntu 8.04LTS - SBS 7.4.1 Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet, Accuphase DP65v CD Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22 Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic Energy Aego M Headphones: Grado SR-1 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 20% off on amazon (if you buy 2)
You'll see the link on any amazon.com page showing a Logitech product sold by amazon (but not by 3rd parties, even though the save 20% notice still appears on the 3rd party pages!). For example, the Classic is at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000VZL9C2/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=ATVPDKIKX0DER Currently the Classic costs $236.81 from amazon, or $225.00 when sold by a 3rd party on amazon.com. -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72546 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to *delete* a favorite?
Found it. It seems the only way to edit favorites is on the Home menu. If you mouse over Favorites an edit option will appear on the right. It is the *only* category where this is the case out of the items, which does not make it very intuitive. I think the edit button should always be next to Favorites to make it clear there is a special option there. -- pablolie ...pablo Server: Shuttle X27D - Ubuntu 8.04LTS - SBS 7.4.1 Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet, Accuphase DP65v CD Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22 Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic Energy Aego M Headphones: Grado SR-1 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to *delete* a favorite?
Don't know about the GUI but from the remote, display the favourite keep hitting right arrow until you reach cancel. Up/down arrow right arrow once more. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 20% off on amazon (if you buy 2)
To clarify my last post, the save 20% notice seems to appear on all Logitech pages on amazon, even though the fine print says the rebate applies only to products sold by amazon, not to those sold by 3rd parties through amazon! -- bruce bruce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72546 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: New Squeezeslave 0.9 Release available on sourceforge
fphredd;493608 Wrote: Would be happy to test a windows asio version... :D I've removed all previous test releases and the associated links from my posts above and uploaded new binaries for 'Windows' (http://ralph_irving.users.sourceforge.net/squeezeslave-0.9-108-win32-beta.zip) and 'OSX' (http://ralph_irving.users.sourceforge.net/squeezeslave-0.9-108-osx-beta.tar.gz). The source repository has also been updated. See the 'ChangeLog' (http://squeezeslave.googlecode.com/svn/squeezeslave/trunk/squeezeslave/ChangeLog) for update details. -- ralphy ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63966 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Network Diagnostic Tool
Based on my time reading these boards, it strikes me that a lot of the issues people have with their Squeezebox setups are related to WiFi or network setup. I'm surprised Logitech doesn't include some form of network diagnostic tool that could address this (or at a minimum a one-sheet summary of tips for proper network setup.) I'm envisioning a tool that could: 1 - Identify the user's WiFi network, scan for other networks in the area, suggest optimal channel setting based on scan. 2 - Identify all Squeezebox devices connected. If a player is missing from the list, suggest ways to get it connected. Perform throughput test on all players, callout if any may have streaming issues based on results. I know most of this can be done piecemeal with existing tools, and with help in the wiki and on these boards. But it seems it would reduce the load on Logitech's tech support and reduce new-user frustration if an all-in-one diagnostic/setup tool existed. (I'd take a stab at developing it but don't have the know-how.) Do others agree that such a tool would be useful and beneficial, or is this impractical? -- ajkidle 2x SBR, Boom, Radio, iPeng ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72577 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA controller solution
On my Touch Cruise the red phone hang-up button does the same thing usually, but not with Slim Control for some reason. Sebastian, A dialogue box sounds a bit clunky, but would be OK otherwise. What about if you click on the green connect symbol at the top right corner to minimise? That's what I tried initially as it seemed intuitive to me. Also, as I mentioned in reply to Eric, for some reason on my Touch Cruise the normal Home key (the red hang-up key) is locked out when using SC. -- Rob W Rob W's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62486 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA controller solution
EricBergan;495193 Wrote: Probably depends on the phone/sw. On my Touch Pro with a custom rom, the hard home key essentially minimizes it and switches you back to the home screen. eric The same on my XDA Diamond. But at the Blue Angel I can not minimize it. -- arztde arztde's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62486 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem with Transporter digital inputs (noise)
If I remove Optical S/PDIF (Toslink) from the playlist (stop playback) or play music the noise stops. If I unplug the optical cable when there is an active input (eg TV) the noise starts again. -- degofedal degofedal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34934 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72554 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA controller solution
Rob W;495328 Wrote: On my Touch Cruise the red phone hang-up button does the same thing usually, but not with Slim Control for some reason. [...] Also, as I mentioned in reply to Eric, for some reason on my Touch Cruise the normal Home key (the red hang-up key) is locked out when using SC. The variety of OS' and hardware platforms makes it virtually impossible for me to handle harware buttons apropriately. More so, since I am developing under WM 2003 which barely 'knows' about hardware phone keys. I made an attempt to capture hardware keys according to MSDN but to no avail. If anybody can make the connection between the red phone button and the underlying WM-event. Please let me know. (Hint: I have tried to capure VK_TEND VK_TBACK events) -- Locuth Use your PDA/Phone as SqueezeBox remote -- http://sc.sciatec.de Locuth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62486 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 low volume :(
Thank you, ill do exactly that tonight.. ill connect up the Duet and see how it goes thanks! -- Kris Kris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Renaming inputs?
Is there any way to rename inputs (and possibly other menu items)? Would be great to have my optical input called TV etc... -- elverket elverket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72582 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Renaming inputs?
Hi elverket Sorry, that is currently not possible. Felix -- fcm4711 Focus means saying no. - Steve Jobs fcm4711's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72582 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox server on OS x
Without relying on MySB.com, I don't think so. I use InsomniaX to keep my MacBook awake when I close its lid so that the Squeezeboxen keep pumping out tunes. If you come up with a better solution, I'd be happy to hear about it. -- ajkidle 2x SBR, Boom, Radio, iPeng ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72543 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Network Diagnostic Tool
A good thought, as connectivity problems seem to be a weak point for the new user setup experience. I wonder if your suggestion would do much good. Many people who ARE inclined to troubleshoot problems probably don't need a lot of help. Or prefer using forums or contacting Support. Less technically savvy customers may not be inclined to investigate problems, with or without help. Many would pronounce their purchase DOA and return it. Having more pages of hints would be useful, especially if they were easy to find and written with a beginner in mind. Perhaps there should be a few pages of Helpful Setup Hints included in each box. I personally find the wiki unwelcoming and unusable. It's one of those things that seems to be written for people who already understand the subject matter. I have found it to be of limited value. I'm sure the company has info on what percentage of purchased products get returned and why. Maybe it's not a big issue? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72577 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox server on OS x
danco;349045 Wrote: I use a Mac, so my solution below won't be immediately relevant, but it might suggest a way that you can go. I have a program called Jiggler that simulates mouse movement after a user definable period of time. So the computer won't sleep if Jiggler is running. And I use the Execute Script plugin to run Jiggler when an item starts playing and also to quit Jiggler when the SB stops either manually or automatically.. This may help you Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72543 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495249 Wrote: Which means you are essentially using the higher resolution to create a smaller font. But if you want sufficiently big text (of the same physical size on both devices) and read that from the distance, it makes no difference whether that font is made of 24 or 32 pixels. What I am trying to say is that the higher resolution allows a smaller font to be as easy to read as a larger, lower res font because it is more sharply defined. That is, to my eyes at least, they don't have to be equal size to be equally legible. YMMV. usch;495249 Wrote: As you mention truncation, is it possible to turn scrolling off and simply truncate the text, or will it inevitably scroll everything that doesn't fit? I could live with truncation, I just hate text that is scrolling all the time. I don't recall whether there's a setting or not. Offhand I don't think so. I'll try to remember to check and post back. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wireless performance on mixed networks: answers!
Mnyb;488044 Wrote: Eeh there is one argument not investigated here when people say that a squeezebox would not gain anything by being a N device. If you have *one* squeezebox and one accesspoint/router i totally get the argument the speed needed is lower then 801.11g anyway. (...)That's my situation exactly although I have the double hop issue since the music server is also on wireless. How about having the Boom on a separate channel (if I were to get a simultaneous dual-band router)? -- dSly dSly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33276 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42853 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] About the current lineup of Squeezeboxes
usch;495249 Wrote: Great, thanks. I see you have the track time in the bottom row which uses up some space. If you move that to the top row like I have and use the entire bottom row for the title, according to the photo I'd guess that you can show a text that is more than twice as long on the Classic, while there is only room for about 50% more on the Touch. But I admit that it does not look as bad as I expected. No photo this time, but I moved the track time from the SB3 bottom row and queued up a track with a longer title to compare truncation. Standard fonts on the SB3: Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Me (34 characters incl spaces) Large fonts on the SBT: Stuck Inside of Mobile w (24 characters incl spaces) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any possibility for 24/96 support on the SB3?
I had downloaded a sample of Mozart's Violin Concerto No. 4 in D Major KV 218 Allegro in the 24BIT/96kHz FLAC format a few months ago and had totally forgotten about how good it sounded. For reference, the site where I downloaded is: www.2l.no/hires/index.htm That site's server isn't up at the moment, here's the cache version: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Wky_snLrI1MJ:www.2l.no/hires/index.html+mozart's+Violin+Concerto+No.+4+in+D+Major+KV+218+Allegro+24/96cd=2hl=enct=clnkgl=us I replayed it a few minutes ago on the latest firmware and here's what it says under more info: Bitrate: 2593kbps VRB (Converted to 705.6kbps ABR). So, does this mean that the SB3 actually supports 24BIT/96kHz format to a degree, but has to compress the bitrate? Just asking since I'm not sure how the Touch will compare in overall sound quality vs a digitally modded SB3 with an upgraded power supply. -- zzvelik zzvelik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72414 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wireless performance on mixed networks: answers!
Mnyb;488044 Wrote: In my home i get a reliable 3000kbps mostly if i do the speed test What speed test are you referring to? If it's on the internet then your bottleneck is most likely your internet connection (WAN), not your wireless. Secondly, do not confuse kbps (kilobits per second) and kBps (kilobytes per second). Multiply by 8 to convert kBps to kbps. FLAC typically uses about 750 kbps (or 0.75 Mbps) bandwidth, whereas 802.11g will have real throughput over ten times that. Even with a house full of players it's just not a problem. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42853 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any possibility for 24/96 support on the SB3?
zzvelik;495418 Wrote: Bitrate: 2593kbps VRB (Converted to 705.6kbps ABR). So, does this mean that the SB3 actually supports 24BIT/96kHz format to a degree, but has to compress the bitrate? Just asking since I'm not sure how the Touch will compare in overall sound quality vs a digitally modded SB3 with an upgraded power supply. No, the server uses SoX to resample it. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72414 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any possibility for 24/96 support on the SB3?
snarlydwarf wrote: zzvelik;495418 Wrote: Bitrate: 2593kbps VRB (Converted to 705.6kbps ABR). So, does this mean that the SB3 actually supports 24BIT/96kHz format to a degree, but has to compress the bitrate? Just asking since I'm not sure how the Touch will compare in overall sound quality vs a digitally modded SB3 with an upgraded power supply. No, the server uses SoX to resample it. More specifically, note that seanadam's prior posting noted that: FLAC typically uses about 750 kbps (or 0.75 Mbps) bandwidth so @zzvelik's 705kbps is typical for FLAC of redbook audio. The server is converting the stream to normal flac. The SB3 does not support high/wide bit rates. The Touch will. Another reason that the Touch is better than the SB3/Classic. And to the point of the subject topic of this thread. The SB3/Classic is done. Its never going to do anything more than it does today. The Server may do fancy stuff in the future, but its not going to be enhanced. The future is the Touch. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any possibility for 24/96 support on the SB3?
I think sox actually makes 24/48 of it this 705kbps is a somewhat bogus number, the players reports on converted bitrates is not to be trusted. it's similar to other transcoding, but there this number often are a better guess However the conversion is running perfectly I *think* it is just this info that often is a bad gues not more, the number should be higher for 24bit files . They should prepare another bogus number for 24bit files around 1400 something, but it's not a high priority I imagine . If SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48 I'm sure one of those paranoid audiophiles would have cried foul in the audiphile section ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72414 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48
Mnyb wrote: If SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48 I'm sure one of those paranoid audiophiles would have cried foul in the audiphile section ;) Making 16/48 out of 24/96 is trivial, any embedded processor can do that, just throw away every other sample, and truncate them all to 16 bits using a shift-right by eight instruction. Converting 24/96 to 16/44.1 or even 24/44.1 is a different matter completely. Doing it right is not just simple division. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any possibility for 24/96 support on the SB3?
pfarrell;495433 Wrote: Mnyb wrote: If SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48 I'm sure one of those paranoid audiophiles would have cried foul in the audiphile section ;) Making 16/48 out of 24/96 is trivial, any embedded processor can do that, just throw away every other sample, and truncate them all to 16 bits using a shift-right by eight instruction. Converting 24/96 to 16/44.1 or even 24/44.1 is a different matter completely. Doing it right is not just simple division. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ But it is doing 24/48 right ? btw should you not use dithering of some kind when going 2416 ? truncation is simple but i think they use more finesse these days . And SOX is not just throwing away every other sample either, that was what the SB3 did internally that would get you aliasing problems ? and other problems to ? some filtering must be done to ensure no content above 1/2 the target sample rate exist when lowering the sample rate . I have no clue to what sox sample rate conversion algorithm is btw, but I'm sure it is a lot more than throwing 1/2 of the samples away otherwise it would not use 70% of my cpu on my 1,2gHz server ,. So it must employ some kind of digital filter to I think . -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72414 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48
Mnyb wrote: But it is doing 24/48 right ? I have no idea. I've never looked at Sox btw should you not use dithering of some kind when going 2416 ? truncation is simple but i think they use more finesse these days . If you care about sound quality, you should always use a dithering algorithm when truncating. Its trivial as well, just add an eight bit random number to the 24 bit value, and then shift right. There are better algorithms, but in an embedded system, adding is nearly as trivial as shifting. Again, I don't know what Sox is doing. Proper conversion from 96 to 44.1 is more complex, but there is a chance that the Classic/SB3 can process 48kHz natively. So there is no need to bother going to 44.1 Obviously if you are doing FFTs to try to use digital transformation, then you will use a ton of CPU power -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Display Question
bstrulo;493867 Wrote: OK, that sounds right. I did install some plugins. But it only shows on albums and artists, not on tracks, so right-arrow just takes me to the tracks. Could TrackStat be doing it? If you look at the same artist/album in the web interface, you can probably see the mixes that are available. Alternatively you can hold play down for a while on the IR remote and it will launch be mix. TrackStat offers mixers and also a few of my other plugins. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72411 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any possibility for 24/96 support on the SB3?
This is why they don't do in the embedded system aka SB3 anymore . But since 7.3 something uses SOX SB3 supports 24bit 48kHz , I tried my 24/48 files, they do not launch the flac and sox processes in the server. Off topic : the light version of the squeezeboxserver would not have sox so the Squeezebox Touch would not do transcoding for older connected players. The Touch itself would not need it as it does 24/96 . I like that approach better, as 24/96 is getting somewhat more common, there could be cases where family members would listen to different 24/96 files at the same time , my rather lightweight server can not run more than one transcoding process at the time . I'm speculating that 3 or 4 parallel transcoding processes would give even a modern 4gHz quad core a headache. So 24/96 in a cheaper players than transporter is good even not considering sound quality. Syncing is no problem sbs is smart enough to use the same stream so server load is decent even syncing 3 players to a 24/96 album -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72414 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
