Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Cameron Childress]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:58 PM, Jeff Howard wrote:

> This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed in
> over a year.
>
>
>
> As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear in
> the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and then
> the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times of the
> day.
>

Jeff-

I would look at the network between the browser and the server. Sean
mentioned a load balancer but look for any sort of new caching or network
infrastructure in place. If a cache is misbehaving and not passing along
cookies that could be a problem. Could be caching a null CFID/CFTOKEN pair.
Could be a new proxy scanning network traffic on the network or locally on
end user's machines.

It's interesting that you say 2/3 of the content appears. This smells
almost like you are load balanced over 3 servers and one is misconfigured.
That's a clue too.

If it's been running fine for a year and you didn't change the app, maybe
load just increased to a point where the load balancer finally decided to
send some traffic to another different server in the cluster? Maybe that
server is configured to use JSessions instead of CFID/CFTOKEN? Maybe the
underlying JEE server was changed?

I don't know if any of these ideas lead to something, just suggesting
things to consider in case they lead you someplace.

-Cameron

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Matt Fuller]

Oh sweet ACFUG!  Great to see the names of old friends in my inbox. Miss 
hanging with you.  Hope you're all doing well!

Matt Fuller

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 11:13 PM, Charlie Arehart <char...@carehart.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for stepping in, John, and for handling things going forward.
> 
> /charlie
>  
> From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of John Mason
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:08 AM
> To: discussion@acfug.org; l...@lgriffin.net
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9
>  
> Sorry for the delay Les, I still manage the ACFUG list and will have you off 
> in a moment. FYI for others as well, simply email me if you need to 
> unsubscribe.
> 
> John
> ma...@fusionlink.com
>  

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Charlie Arehart]

Thanks for stepping in, John, and for handling things going forward.

/charlie

 

From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of John Mason
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:08 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org; l...@lgriffin.net
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

 

Sorry for the delay Les, I still manage the ACFUG list and will have you off in 
a moment. FYI for others as well, simply email me if you need to unsubscribe.

John
ma...@fusionlink.com <mailto:ma...@fusionlink.com> 

 

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[John Mason]

Sorry for the delay Les, I still manage the ACFUG list and will have you
off in a moment. FYI for others as well, simply email me if you need to
unsubscribe.

John
ma...@fusionlink.com



On 2/24/18 7:12 AM, Les wrote:
> That's cool, thanks.  No offense, I've just retired.
>
> On 2/23/2018 5:50 PM, Charlie Arehart wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I don’t know if there’s anyone with that ability. There was for
>> a time, but then the group moved to a new system. Then it went quiet
>> for a few years.
>>
>> Now that it’s reviving again, surely some like Les will say “I don’t
>> care to be here anymore”. I’m just not sure who has control anymore
>> to remove you. (There was even a time where there was a way to remove
>> yourself, but I don’t know it myself.)
>>
>> So Les, if you don’t hear from anyone, you may no choice but to just
>> setup a rule to just tell your mail client (or server) to delete
>> messages you receive that show being sent “to” discussion@acfug.org
>> <mailto:discussion@acfug.org>. (It’s also possible that this spate of
>> activity will die down again. Just depends on who DOES value it.)
>>
>> /charlie
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Les
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 06:53 AM
>> *To:* discussion@acfug.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid
>> with CF9
>>
>>  
>>
>> please remove me from this list.
>>
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Les]

That's cool, thanks.  No offense, I've just retired.

On 2/23/2018 5:50 PM, Charlie Arehart wrote:


Wow, I don’t know if there’s anyone with that ability. There was for a 
time, but then the group moved to a new system. Then it went quiet for 
a few years.


Now that it’s reviving again, surely some like Les will say “I don’t 
care to be here anymore”. I’m just not sure who has control anymore to 
remove you. (There was even a time where there was a way to remove 
yourself, but I don’t know it myself.)


So Les, if you don’t hear from anyone, you may no choice but to just 
setup a rule to just tell your mail client (or server) to delete 
messages you receive that show being sent “to” discussion@acfug.org 
<mailto:discussion@acfug.org>. (It’s also possible that this spate of 
activity will die down again. Just depends on who DOES value it.)


/charlie

*From:*ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Les
*Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 06:53 AM
*To:* discussion@acfug.org
*Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

please remove me from this list.

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Charlie Arehart]

Wow, I don’t know if there’s anyone with that ability. There was for a time, 
but then the group moved to a new system. Then it went quiet for a few years. 

Now that it’s reviving again, surely some like Les will say “I don’t care to be 
here anymore”. I’m just not sure who has control anymore to remove you. (There 
was even a time where there was a way to remove yourself, but I don’t know it 
myself.)

So Les, if you don’t hear from anyone, you may no choice but to just setup a 
rule to just tell your mail client (or server) to delete messages you receive 
that show being sent “to” discussion@acfug.org <mailto:discussion@acfug.org> . 
(It’s also possible that this spate of activity will die down again. Just 
depends on who DOES value it.)

/charlie

 

From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Les
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 06:53 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

 

please remove me from this list. 

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Les]

please remove me from this list.

On 2/22/2018 5:58 PM, Jeff Howard wrote:


This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed 
in over a year.


As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear 
in the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and 
then the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times 
of the day.


Any ideas?



 
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Jeff Howard]

Sean,

There are 2 servers but one isn't really being used. They are trying to
phase this app out and have migrated most customers but not all. However,
this problem exists on both servers.

As for the cflocation and traffic I have asked the same questions but yet
to get a response. In the built in CF debug output that you turn on/off in
CF Admin I did notice that there was a long page load time so I was also
thinking that there may be a cflock issue that's happening.

As far as what I've been told it happens exactly at the same time every day
since Sunday.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 8:05 PM, W. Sean Harrison <
sharri...@alienetworks.com> wrote:

> Is there a loadhandler in the mix? 8 to 4 is heavy corporate use - maybe
> the site has grown in traffic over time, and now during peak hours it's
> getting shifted over to another box with slightly different code? Or the
> session info isn't getting passed over along with the http request? Is
> there a CFLocation in the process someplace? That can screw up a
> cookie-write.  Does it start happening at 8am sharp? Never at 7:59, 8:01,
> etc?
>
> --Sean
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:14 PM, Jeff Howard  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Charlie. I've always had quicker response on ACFUG but today I was
>> proven wrong. I'll keep to the Adobe site but any ideas from anyone are
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Charlie Arehart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff has posted this question also in the Adobe forums. Folks may want
>>> to see my reply there (just written), if not also reply there.
>>>
>>> https://forums.adobe.com/message/10198418#10198418
>>>
>>>
>>> (Cross-posting is always risky, Jeff. Some will see one but not the
>>> other. And only you, or others watching both, will get the complete
>>> picture, which can be confusing for all concerned.)
>>>
>>> /charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
>>> Howard
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 04:58 PM
>>> *To:* discussion@acfug.org
>>> *Subject:* [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed in
>>> over a year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear
>>> in the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and then
>>> the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times of the
>>> day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>> 
>>>
>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[W. Sean Harrison]

Is there a loadhandler in the mix? 8 to 4 is heavy corporate use - maybe
the site has grown in traffic over time, and now during peak hours it's
getting shifted over to another box with slightly different code? Or the
session info isn't getting passed over along with the http request? Is
there a CFLocation in the process someplace? That can screw up a
cookie-write.  Does it start happening at 8am sharp? Never at 7:59, 8:01,
etc?

--Sean

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:14 PM, Jeff Howard  wrote:

> Thanks Charlie. I've always had quicker response on ACFUG but today I was
> proven wrong. I'll keep to the Adobe site but any ideas from anyone are
> greatly appreciated.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Charlie Arehart 
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff has posted this question also in the Adobe forums. Folks may want to
>> see my reply there (just written), if not also reply there.
>>
>> https://forums.adobe.com/message/10198418#10198418
>>
>>
>> (Cross-posting is always risky, Jeff. Some will see one but not the
>> other. And only you, or others watching both, will get the complete
>> picture, which can be confusing for all concerned.)
>>
>> /charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
>> Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 04:58 PM
>> *To:* discussion@acfug.org
>> *Subject:* [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed in
>> over a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear in
>> the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and then
>> the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times of the
>> day.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>> 
>>
>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Jeff Howard]

Thanks Charlie. I've always had quicker response on ACFUG but today I was
proven wrong. I'll keep to the Adobe site but any ideas from anyone are
greatly appreciated.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Charlie Arehart 
wrote:

> Jeff has posted this question also in the Adobe forums. Folks may want to
> see my reply there (just written), if not also reply there.
>
> https://forums.adobe.com/message/10198418#10198418
>
>
> (Cross-posting is always risky, Jeff. Some will see one but not the other.
> And only you, or others watching both, will get the complete picture, which
> can be confusing for all concerned.)
>
> /charlie
>
>
>
> *From:* ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2018 04:58 PM
> *To:* discussion@acfug.org
> *Subject:* [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9
>
>
>
> This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed in
> over a year.
>
>
>
> As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear in
> the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and then
> the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times of the
> day.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Charlie Arehart]

Jeff has posted this question also in the Adobe forums. Folks may want to see 
my reply there (just written), if not also reply there. 

https://forums.adobe.com/message/10198418#10198418


(Cross-posting is always risky, Jeff. Some will see one but not the other. And 
only you, or others watching both, will get the complete picture, which can be 
confusing for all concerned.)



/charlie

 

From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Howard
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 04:58 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

 

This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed in over a 
year.

 

As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear in the 
middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and then the 
cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times of the day.

 

Any ideas?

 

 


 

 

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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] strange behavior with cftoken/cfid with CF9

[Ajas Mohammed]

Can you share screenshots and add some more information?



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:58 PM Jeff Howard  wrote:

> This is an older CRM application using CF 9 that hasn't been changed in
> over a year.
>
>
>
> As of Sunday between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM cftoken/cfid disappear in
> the middle of loading the dashboard. 2/3 of the content appears and then
> the cfid/cftoken disappear. It only occurs at very specific times of the
> day.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> 
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