RE: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook and InDesign]
Hi, Just curiousity here, but what about going instead to LaTeX from DocBook instead of InDesign? I can't imagine someone needing higher typographic quality than that. Wouldn't that bypass the problem of fo, indesign, antennahouse et al.? In my experience the DBLaTeX workflow is very high quality, no matter the technical content of the document. --Tim -Original Message- From: Ivan Ristic [mailto:ivan.ris...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:26 AM To: Giuseppe Bonelli Cc: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook- apps] DocBook and InDesign] On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Giuseppe Bonelli peppo.bone...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi Giuseppe, I will definitely have to do some work on this as I have some clients who are not confortable with the typographycal quality you can actually get with FO, even using the AntennaHouse formatter, and therefore need a path going from DB to InDesign. Out of interest, what typographic features do your clients seek in InDesign that are not in FOP? To clarify, I am not asking how InDesign is better :) Also, in what ways is Antenna House's processor better than others (e.g., FOP)? -- Ivan Ristic ModSecurity Handbook [http://www.modsecurityhandbook.com] SSL Labs [https://www.ssllabs.com/ssldb/] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook and InDesign]
Hi Tim, I agree with you that the quality of a page typesetted with LateX is _very_ high, but I think it would be _very_ difficult to introduce a LateX typesetting phase in a production worflow of a traditional publishing house. In other environment this could definitely be a good solution. regards, __peppo PS: I don't want to start a flame on typesetting engines!!! On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Tim Arnold tim.arn...@sas.com wrote: Hi, Just curiousity here, but what about going instead to LaTeX from DocBook instead of InDesign? I can't imagine someone needing higher typographic quality than that. Wouldn't that bypass the problem of fo, indesign, antennahouse et al.? In my experience the DBLaTeX workflow is very high quality, no matter the technical content of the document. --Tim -Original Message- From: Ivan Ristic [mailto:ivan.ris...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:26 AM To: Giuseppe Bonelli Cc: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook- apps] DocBook and InDesign] On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Giuseppe Bonelli peppo.bone...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi Giuseppe, I will definitely have to do some work on this as I have some clients who are not confortable with the typographycal quality you can actually get with FO, even using the AntennaHouse formatter, and therefore need a path going from DB to InDesign. Out of interest, what typographic features do your clients seek in InDesign that are not in FOP? To clarify, I am not asking how InDesign is better :) Also, in what ways is Antenna House's processor better than others (e.g., FOP)? -- Ivan Ristic ModSecurity Handbook [http://www.modsecurityhandbook.com] SSL Labs [https://www.ssllabs.com/ssldb/] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook and InDesign]
Tim Arnold wrote: I can't imagine someone needing higher typographic quality than that. Wouldn't that bypass the problem of fo, indesign, antennahouse et al.? In my experience the DBLaTeX workflow is very high quality, no matter the technical content of the document. TeX as well FO work in batch mode -- you can't interactively fiddle with details like line and page breaks and object placement and instantly see changes on-screen. This necessary especially for document with more artistic design. Also I'm not sure whether pdfTeX implementation of hz-algorithm and hanging punctuation is on a par with one available in InDesign. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hz-program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_punctuation -- -- Jirka Kosek e-mail: ji...@kosek.cz http://xmlguru.cz -- Professional XML consulting and training services DocBook customization, custom XSLT/XSL-FO document processing -- OASIS DocBook TC member, W3C Invited Expert, ISO JTC1/SC34 member -- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook and InDesign]
FYI: Nice overview of InDesign capabilities: http://www.scribd.com/doc/238960/Adobe-InDesign-InDepth-Typography Some of them aren't available even in TeX. Many of them are patented. Lucky are those who can't recognize the difference ;-) Unfortunately I can. Regards, Jan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook and InDesign]
I've always been curious as to the possibility of 'finishing off' a paper output in a layout environment. InDesign is very popular with publishers and hence makes a fair target. Is there any way the docbook xsl-fo output could help users of indesign to do this 'finishing off'? Not having used in-design I'm far from a good source for this, but a recent London project was treading the same path, PDF 'backwards' to XML, then wanting to (amongst other media) again produce print output, so IMHO it isn't quite so uncommon and may warrant further investigation. -- regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] InDesign typography advantage [Was: Re: [docbook-apps] DocBook and InDesign]
Jirka Kosek ji...@kosek.cz wrote: TeX as well FO work in batch mode -- you can't interactively fiddle with details like line and page breaks and object placement and instantly see changes on-screen. This necessary especially for document with more artistic design. There are LaTeX editors that allow you to do this via a two-pane editor, with the LaTeX editor in one pane and a PDF view in the other. LEd is an example: http://www.latexeditor.org I've never used such an editor, so I can't vouch for whether it is instant. Perhaps one could create such a DocBook editor. (XMLmind allows you to work in a partially wysiwyg environment, although they're quick to point out that it's very partial; and it certainly doesn't allow low-level fiddling.) Also I'm not sure whether pdfTeX implementation of hz-algorithm and hanging punctuation is on a par with one available in InDesign. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hz-program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_punctuation XeTeX (a Unicode-enabled version of LaTeX) has an experimental implementation of character protrusion or margin kerning (new in the last few months). Not being a typographer (I almost wrote typologist, an area that I do claim to know a little about!), I'm not sure how much that answers your question. Perhaps more relevant, there is a discussion thread here: http://scripts.sil.org/xetex about the relative uses and merits of Xe(La)TeX and InDesign. Some of the points would also pertain to DocBook in general. Mike Maxwell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
