Re: [libreoffice-documentation] simplifying documentation
Hi Cor, I appreciate your advice about how to get the wording revised on the program download page. Unfortunately, I don't know what adding "needsUXEval to the keywords field" means. Could you please translate into plain English? Thank you. Cathy On 7/28/2017 3:16 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Cathy, Cathy Crumbley wrote on 28-07-17 06:18: Just to be clear, I was not expressing problems with the Help files. In fact, I was not even aware that they exist when I wrote this. In know that you was talking about the user interface. That is what my comment is about too ;) On 7/27/2017 3:52 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Indeed issues are the proper way to suggest better wording. You may add needsUXEval to the keywords field, so that the UX team, deciding on improvements, finds your proposal easily. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] simplifying documentation
Thanks for your input. These is much to learn! I am referring to the LibreOffice download page. Why? Because it sounds like I am not the only one who is unaware that we need to download a separate file for the Help files. It should be a relatively simple fix to just re-word what is on that page so that people understand. It is puzzling that this has not been done since people are aware of the problem. I can see what is on the wiki. However, Olivier said "But it requires permanent reordering and addition/deletion/update of hundreds of pages, permanently." I was trying to understand if he was saying that it is not a great source of information. In any case, it sounds like it is the only place to get an overview of LibreOffice (although it is still challenging to do so). From your description of Pootle, I was able to learn that an online version of LibreOffice is in the works. I don't really understand the rest of it, but at least I now know that Pootle is related to that project. On 7/28/2017 4:41 AM, Sophie wrote: Hi Cathy, Le 27/07/2017 à 21:55, Cathy Crumbley a écrit : Hi Olivier, Thanks again for the responses. If this has been a problem for a while, I am puzzled about why it has not been fixed. Are you aware of a reason why the download page cannot be re-worded now? It depends on which download page you're talking about. The download page on the main website is reworked by infrastructure, design and marketing project, together with the donate page. It's currently being improved before being translated. For the download page of the documentation project, the page is quite new, and maybe no volunteer had time to work on it for the moment. To be clear, what are you saying is the best source of information for people who are new to this and want to learn about the overall LibreOffice project? Are you saying that the wiki is not useful because so much work needs to be done on it? On the wiki, you'll see the different sub-projects of the LibreOffice overall project, mainly: development, QA (quality assurance), UX/Design (user experience), l10n (localization), documentation, infrastructure, marketing, certification and NLPs (native language projects). All those sub projects interact together to finally deliver LibreOffice the product. You'll find also information about the Document Liberation Project (DLP) which is another project under TDF umbrealla. As long as I am asking questions, here is one more: What is the Pootle server? Pootle is an instance used by the l10n team to localize LibreOffice UI and Help, part of the website, LibreOffice On Line currently. Don't hesitate to ask any question you have :) Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] simplifying documentation
Hi Cathy, Le 27/07/2017 à 21:55, Cathy Crumbley a écrit : > Hi Olivier, > > Thanks again for the responses. > > If this has been a problem for a while, I am puzzled about why it has > not been fixed. Are you aware of a reason why the download page cannot > be re-worded now? It depends on which download page you're talking about. The download page on the main website is reworked by infrastructure, design and marketing project, together with the donate page. It's currently being improved before being translated. For the download page of the documentation project, the page is quite new, and maybe no volunteer had time to work on it for the moment. > > To be clear, what are you saying is the best source of information for > people who are new to this and want to learn about the overall > LibreOffice project? Are you saying that the wiki is not useful because > so much work needs to be done on it? On the wiki, you'll see the different sub-projects of the LibreOffice overall project, mainly: development, QA (quality assurance), UX/Design (user experience), l10n (localization), documentation, infrastructure, marketing, certification and NLPs (native language projects). All those sub projects interact together to finally deliver LibreOffice the product. You'll find also information about the Document Liberation Project (DLP) which is another project under TDF umbrealla. > > As long as I am asking questions, here is one more: What is the Pootle > server? Pootle is an instance used by the l10n team to localize LibreOffice UI and Help, part of the website, LibreOffice On Line currently. Don't hesitate to ask any question you have :) Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Wiki cleanup
Hi Kenneth Le 28/07/2017 à 07:04, Kenneth Hanson a écrit : > I've started to revise and organize parts of the documentation wiki, > starting with things I think will be uncontroversial. I figure that this is > a good thing to do while I'm new, since it's obvious to me what is > confusing or hard to find, but do speak up if I get carried away. great, thanks for your work :) > > Two major problems that stick out to me: > 1. There is a large but incomplete duplication of content between the TDF > wiki, the documentation website, and the main website. I think there needs > to be a discussion about what should go where. > 2. There seems to be two very different kinds of content on the TDF > documentation team sub-wiki: pages for users, and pages for the > documentation team. On the other hand, there is also miscellaneous info for > users scattered around other parts of the wiki. Could you add links to what you're talking about and the duplication you see, it would be easier to help you. > > Currently it doesn't look like it would be trivial to move the all the > users-facing wiki pages to the documentation website, so perhaps as a > temporary solution we could make a separate section or subsection on the > wiki to collect everything together. I'll think about what to name this > hypothetical section and wait for other opinions before I do anything. You can open a discussion page under the documentation project in the wiki and put the links of the page you want us to discuss, that would be really helpful Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] simplifying documentation
Hi Cathy, Cathy Crumbley wrote on 28-07-17 06:18: > Just to be clear, I was not expressing problems with the Help files. In > fact, I was not even aware that they exist when I wrote this. In know that you was talking about the user interface. That is what my comment is about too ;) > On 7/27/2017 3:52 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: >> Indeed issues are the proper way to suggest better wording. >> You may add needsUXEval to the keywords field, so that the UX team, >> deciding on improvements, finds your proposal easily. -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
