[libreoffice-documentation] NextCloud + LibreOffice Online for ODFAuthors: Is it a good idea?
Hi All Lets talk about Nextcloud and LOOL for ODFAuthors. Is it a good idea? Em 13/06/2018 17:41, K-J LibreOffice escreveu: >> There is a proposal under consideration that we move from ODFAuthors to >> NextCloud LibreOffice Online as our working platform. > So Andreas should wait with continuing his work until we have a > decision? Otherwise he perhaps does a lot of work for the waste paper bin. What is NextCloud and LibreOffice Online (NC+LOOL)? --- NC+LOOL is a hosted cloud storage with the addition of LibreOffice online allowing direct document edition when the files are compatible with ODF and OOXML for text documents, spreadsheets and presentations. Why the proposed change? Because it has advantages. Oh, really? For the storage point of view, there are no changes expected because NextCloud and PLONE can store all files the same way and in the same directories hierarchy. That means that we can clone the current ODFAuthors Plone file storage inside a NextCloud server, preserving the same nomenclature and navigation. For editing Chapter files there is also no changes expected because one can download the file and edit locally, then upload it back to Nextcloud, as in PLone. NextCloud supports WEBDAV protocol and LibreOffice can open files directly in NextCloud with the command "Open Remote File" after setting up the webdav server. The download/upload operation is handled inside the local LibreOffice, no copy stored locally. However this feature is not in my opinion, what justifies the change. NextCloud, like Dropbox, has a client application for all desktops and mobile devices that allows a local folder to be synchronized with a folder in the server. In other words, you can have a full copy of a Guide folder in your machine and edit it locally. The file is periodically synchronized with the server, turning the upload/download process completely transparent. Nice feature indeed. LibreOffice Online is a NextCloud plugin (app) that allows direct edition of Chapters inside the cloud storage. That is an interesting feature and worth the change. Here are some of the use cases: - Quick edition: contents additions, typos, linguistics and corrections can be edited directly in the stored file, saving the download/upload operation for the same purpose. LOOL is powerful enough to even address larger chunks of text, including (with limitations) images and tables. - Immediate availability: Since there is no download/upload the changes are immediately available and the files are not locked by a check-out/check-in procedure. If an Author is not available for a period and has checked out a chapter, the old process depended on him to release the changes. With LOOL, the work can be relayed instantly because it is live in the cloud. - Ubiquity: as any other cloud service, you access and work on the files in any environment and location (home, office, travel, etc..) and with your preferred device. - Collaborative editing: LOOL allows more than one user to read and edit the same file at the same moment. It may sound too much for authoring, but can be interesting for live team review of a document. Some wrap up so far.. -- - The current editing process is preserved, only the storage framework changes, - File storage / organization is preserved - We get an online editor for quick work - Immediate availability of edited work - Folder synchronization is interesting - Online edition is optional and not mandatory for Authors. How do I test NextCloud+LOOL? -- We have an instance of NC+LOOL operative in https://nextcloud.libreoffice.org that is accessible for TDF members. Please log in there and ping me to share the test folders with your login. Q & A -- Written on paper may sound very nice but still there are some open ends to address. Does LOOL support track changes? Yes Can I add tables and insert images? Yes. But no table or frame styling. For hard work consider doing offline what about style support? LOOL support paragraph styles only. All other style operation and application must be done offline. Can I add a new style? No. See above Can I apply a paragraph style? yes. The style must exist before opening the file for edition. Can I undo a change in a chapter with LOOL? LOOL use NextCloud history management. Do I need to be a member of TDF to use a possible new ODFAuthor service? The current testing environment requires TDF membership. For Authors production, an exclusive NC+LOOL can be considered without the mandatory membership. How to assemble the book/guide? Such complex operation must be done offline. What's next? Initially, gather your opinions on the proposed alternative, answer questions and evaluate feasibility. Then review the editing and updating procedures of the existing chapters with the new tool. We also need to check if our infra team can
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Upgrade The ODFAuthors Website
Hi Dave, all, Am 13.06.2018 um 18:32 schrieb DaveB: > On 13.06.2018 16:29, K-J LibreOffice wrote: [...] >> 2. Starting page: >> Delete the "Printed books for sale" section. >> ODFauthors is a working platform. We should put this information at an >> other place. > > You are correct, ODFAuthors is a working platform, but I see no > beneficial reason to remove the "Printed books for sale" section. There > is a historical link between ODFAuthors (formally OpenOffice Authors) > and the printed books publisher Friends of OpenDocument > http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/ IIRC both were originally > established by Jean Weber. Profits from the sale of the printed books > are made available to support organisations promoting ODF. Oooh, I don't want to delete the connection between ODFAthors and Friends of OpenDocument. It is really important. But the content in the section is rather old. And nobody is working on it. I would delete the list of books there. Let's write a text like: "Printed books for sale The books are also available in printed form from the Friends of OpenDocument's store at Lulu.com." (without any list of books.) [...] >> 5. Perhaps a formal question: [...] >> - The TDF-Icon (perhaps with a feather in it). > > Which feather did you have in mind, the ASF one? :)) More the ODFAuthor's one. > There is a proposal under consideration that we move from ODFAuthors to > NextCloud LibreOffice Online as our working platform. So Andreas should wait with continuing his work until we have a decision? Otherwise he perhaps does a lot of work for the waste paper bin. -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation https://www.documentfoundation.org/governance/members/ https://de.libreoffice.org https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Meeting Minutes, Doc team 6/13/2018
Wednesday June 13th 2018, 19:00 CET Presents: Olivier Hallot, Drew Janesen, Johnathan Cohen, Dave Barton Agenda: SPRINT REVISION * Completed items (Available in the Published folder of ODFAuthors) GS6000 - Preface - completed Dave Barton GS6004 - Writer - Completed - Olivier GS6013 - Macros - completed - Drew GS6016 - Open Standards - Completed - Olivier GS6007 - Draw - completed - Johnathan Cohen Pending GS6002 - Almost there, need last reading (Dave Barton) GS6006 - Impress - Drew GS6008 - Review pending (olivier) All remaining: GS6001 GS6003 GS6005 GS6008 GS6009 GS6010 GS6011 - Dave GS6012 - Johnathan GS6014 - Olivier GS6015 - See https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/SprintReview NEXT MEETING: Wednesday June 20th 2018, at 19:00 Berlin Time -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Comunidade LibreOffice Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Upgrade The ODFAuthors Website
On 13.06.2018 16:29, K-J LibreOffice wrote: > Am 12.06.2018 um 21:00 schrieb Andreas Mantke: >> Hello, >> >> I'm currently working on an upgrade for the ODFAuthors website. > Great. thanks for your work. +1 And thanks for your past maintenance of the Plone instance. >> What content do you want to see on this frontpage? >> >> Do you have suggestions how to structure this content on the frontpage? > 1. Throw away all old stuff: > AOO & OOo > There is no need for the TDF to stockpile these things as they are very, > very old or not necessary for us any more. > > If not, put it in an archive folder very, very deep. +1 for an archive. > 2. Starting page: > Delete the "Printed books for sale" section. > ODFauthors is a working platform. We should put this information at an > other place. You are correct, ODFAuthors is a working platform, but I see no beneficial reason to remove the "Printed books for sale" section. There is a historical link between ODFAuthors (formally OpenOffice Authors) and the printed books publisher Friends of OpenDocument http://www.friendsofopendocument.com/newsite/ IIRC both were originally established by Jean Weber. Profits from the sale of the printed books are made available to support organisations promoting ODF. > 3. Setting a link on first page: > "If you just want to read documentation, see our published chapters at: > https://documentation.libreoffice.org " +1 > 4. Three links on page (in header and/or text): > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation > https://www.libreoffice.org/ > https://www.documentfoundation.org/ +1 > 5. Perhaps a formal question: > Get the same frame look of the page like > https://www.libreoffice.org/ and https://www.documentfoundation.org/ > > - a more present "LibO-green" The green should be possible, but making a Plone instance look like a Silverstripe driver website would, even if possible, involve a great deal of work, which I doubt Andreas needs at this time. > - The TDF-Icon (perhaps with a feather in it). Which feather did you have in mind, the ASF one? :)) There is a proposal under consideration that we move from ODFAuthors to NextCloud LibreOffice Online as our working platform. I would like to see this discussed at today's Docs meeting. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] GS6002 Uploaded
Hi All, I have "/finally/" managed to finish reviewing and updating chapter 2 of the GS60 guide. I believe it is ready for publication, but would like another member of the team to give it a final check: https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/feedback-lo-6.0/applied-lo-6-template-and-updated-the-chapter-preface/view Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Upgrade The ODFAuthors Website
Am 12.06.2018 um 21:00 schrieb Andreas Mantke: > Hello, > > I'm currently working on an upgrade for the ODFAuthors website. Great. thanks for your work. [...] > What content do you want to see on this frontpage? > > Do you have suggestions how to structure this content on the frontpage? 1. Throw away all old stuff: AOO & OOo There is no need for the TDF to stockpile these things as they are very, very old or not necessary for us any more. If not, put it in an archive folder very, very deep. 2. Starting page: Delete the "Printed books for sale" section. ODFauthors is a working platform. We should put this information at an other place. 3. Setting a link on first page: "If you just want to read documentation, see our published chapters at: https://documentation.libreoffice.org " 4. Three links on page (in header and/or text): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation https://www.libreoffice.org/ https://www.documentfoundation.org/ 5. Perhaps a formal question: Get the same frame look of the page like https://www.libreoffice.org/ and https://www.documentfoundation.org/ - a more present "LibO-green" - The TDF-Icon (perhaps with a feather in it). -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation https://www.documentfoundation.org/governance/members/ https://de.libreoffice.org https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is today at 19:00 Berlin Time.
HI Team Our documentation team meeting will take place today at 19:00 CET (Berlin time). We will use the following jitsi meeting room https://meet.jit.si/tdfdocteam The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need of a specific plugin. The documentation pad for the minute is http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation Main topics * Check & balance of the task assigned See you later! -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Comunidade LibreOffice Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
