Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On Tuesday 06 of October 2009, Pascal Volk wrote: On 10/06/2009 05:32 PM Timo Sirainen wrote: Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? The possible locations are: - bin/ - sbin/ - libexec/dovecot/ (or lib/dovecot/ in most Linux distros) So the binaries are: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - authtest - dovecotpw - doveadm 2) Binaries that you might want to call from mail_executable setting: - rawlog - gdbhelper 3) Index file dumping programs, mostly meant for debugging problems: - idxview - listview - logview - mailboxlogview - threadview 4) Some extra tools that might be useful sometimes: - imap-utf7 : Encode/decode IMAP mailbox names (mUTF-7 - UTF-8) - maildirlock : Lock a Maildir, primarily intended for compressing files in maildir And perhaps some of the binaries should be renamed? The authtest actually now looks like a bad name. Maybe it should have been doveauthtest or dovecot-authtest or ..? under $PREFIX/bin: authtest (or doveauthtest) dovecotpw imap-utf7 maildirlock Nooo, these are too generic names to be in bin (also not $PREFIX/bin but @bindir@ as in autoconf convention). Everything that's not meant to be run by hand should be in @libdir@/dovecot (or @libexecdir@/dovecot). Proposition of doveadm subcommand was much nicer than splitting into tons of bin/sbin utils. doveadm subcommand can actually simply call @libdir@/dovecot/subcommand if someone want's separate binaries instead of single one. Regards, Pascal -- Arkadiusz MiśkiewiczPLD/Linux Team arekm / maven.plhttp://ftp.pld-linux.org/
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:32 -0400, Timo Sirainen wrote: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - doveadm doveadm is supposed to be this featureful thing that can do all kinds of admin-related stuff. Perhaps one possibility would be to make all of these its subcommands: This is what I ended up doing yesterday. - authtest doveadm auth .. doveadm auth doveadm user - dovecotpw doveadm pw .. Yep. 3) Index file dumping programs, mostly meant for debugging problems: - idxview - listview - logview - mailboxlogview - threadview doveadm dump file (automatically detects what type the file is). Yep. 4) Some extra tools that might be useful sometimes: - imap-utf7 : Encode/decode IMAP mailbox names (mUTF-7 - UTF-8) doveadm mutf7 .. I'm not sure about this. Doesn't seem like it's much of an admin feature. For now it's in libexec/imap-utf7. - maildirlock : Lock a Maildir, primarily intended for compressing files in maildir This could stay separate. Stayed separate.
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
Timo Sirainen wrote: Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? The possible locations are: - bin/ - sbin/ Should these not be /usr/bin and /usr/sbin ? I believe that /bin and /sbin are for system essentials and /usr/bin for package installed binaries? - libexec/dovecot/ (or lib/dovecot/ in most Linux distros) I haven't read the FHS on these, but empirically this seems to be used only for internal system binaries, ie not executed by the user. On my systems /lib/whatever isn't pathed and so you couldn't run them from a command line I agree that it could be helpful to have a multi-talented admin utility. Additionally don't overlook being able to symlink the binary to some other name and have it execute as this function by name, ie multicall a la busybox, etc Cheers Ed W
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
Ed W wrote: Timo Sirainen wrote: Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? The possible locations are: - bin/ - sbin/ Should these not be /usr/bin and /usr/sbin ? I believe that /bin and /sbin are for system essentials and /usr/bin for package installed binaries? Timo did not put a leading / in there - I assume that means add your $PREFIX to those paths. ~Seth
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
El Martes 06 Octubre 2009 a las 17:57, Timo Sirainen escribió: doveadm is supposed to be this featureful thing that can do all kinds of admin-related stuff. Perhaps one possibility would be to make all of these its subcommands: +1 -- Joseba Torre. Vicegerencia de TICs, área de Explotación
[Dovecot] Binary locations
Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? The possible locations are: - bin/ - sbin/ - libexec/dovecot/ (or lib/dovecot/ in most Linux distros) So the binaries are: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - authtest - dovecotpw - doveadm 2) Binaries that you might want to call from mail_executable setting: - rawlog - gdbhelper 3) Index file dumping programs, mostly meant for debugging problems: - idxview - listview - logview - mailboxlogview - threadview 4) Some extra tools that might be useful sometimes: - imap-utf7 : Encode/decode IMAP mailbox names (mUTF-7 - UTF-8) - maildirlock : Lock a Maildir, primarily intended for compressing files in maildir And perhaps some of the binaries should be renamed? The authtest actually now looks like a bad name. Maybe it should have been doveauthtest or dovecot-authtest or ..? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:32 -0400, Timo Sirainen wrote: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - authtest .. And perhaps some of the binaries should be renamed? The authtest actually now looks like a bad name. Maybe it should have been doveauthtest or dovecot-authtest or ..? And if I were forward-looking, maybe dovesasl or dovecot-sasl or dovesasltest or dovecot-sasltest or something. So when in future Dovecot also has SASL client support this could be used to test authentication using all SASL mechanisms. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On 6 Oct 2009, at 16:32, Timo Sirainen wrote: Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? Hi Timo. IMO anchor/sbin is for the dovecot daemon, anchor/libexec/dovecot is for supporting tools utilities anchor/lib is for dovecot's (shared) libraries anchor/etc is for config files
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:32 -0400, Timo Sirainen wrote: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - doveadm doveadm is supposed to be this featureful thing that can do all kinds of admin-related stuff. Perhaps one possibility would be to make all of these its subcommands: - authtest doveadm auth .. - dovecotpw doveadm pw .. 3) Index file dumping programs, mostly meant for debugging problems: - idxview - listview - logview - mailboxlogview - threadview doveadm dump file (automatically detects what type the file is). 4) Some extra tools that might be useful sometimes: - imap-utf7 : Encode/decode IMAP mailbox names (mUTF-7 - UTF-8) doveadm mutf7 .. - maildirlock : Lock a Maildir, primarily intended for compressing files in maildir This could stay separate. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On 10/06/2009 05:32 PM Timo Sirainen wrote: Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? The possible locations are: - bin/ - sbin/ - libexec/dovecot/ (or lib/dovecot/ in most Linux distros) So the binaries are: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - authtest - dovecotpw - doveadm 2) Binaries that you might want to call from mail_executable setting: - rawlog - gdbhelper 3) Index file dumping programs, mostly meant for debugging problems: - idxview - listview - logview - mailboxlogview - threadview 4) Some extra tools that might be useful sometimes: - imap-utf7 : Encode/decode IMAP mailbox names (mUTF-7 - UTF-8) - maildirlock : Lock a Maildir, primarily intended for compressing files in maildir And perhaps some of the binaries should be renamed? The authtest actually now looks like a bad name. Maybe it should have been doveauthtest or dovecot-authtest or ..? under $PREFIX/bin: authtest (or doveauthtest) dovecotpw imap-utf7 maildirlock under $PREFIX/sbin: doveadm doveconf under $PREFIX/libexec/dovecot (or $PREFIX/lib/dovecot): rawlog gdbhelper Hm, all the *view utilities also under $PREFIX/libexec/dovecot Regards, Pascal -- The trapper recommends today: f007ba11.0927...@localdomain.org
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
On 10/6/2009, Timo Sirainen (t...@iki.fi) wrote: doveadm is supposed to be this featureful thing that can do all kinds of admin-related stuff. Perhaps one possibility would be to make all of these its subcommands: +1 -- Best regards, Charles
Re: [Dovecot] Binary locations
ummm... I like the idea of an anchor as per Jim Redi anchor/sbin is for the dovecot daemon, anchor/libexec/dovecot is for supporting tools utilities anchor/lib is for dovecot's (shared) libraries anchor/etc is for config files ...I use /usr/local for that in my installation. Which means that, if upgrades (of the OS) do messy things to the contents of /etc/ or/bin or..., the dovecot stuff is in /usr/local/etc, /usr/local/bin or sbin and is left alone. And, of course, the anchor can be null. Timo Sirainen wrote: Where do you think the following binaries should be installed to? The possible locations are: - bin/ - sbin/ - libexec/dovecot/ (or lib/dovecot/ in most Linux distros) So the binaries are: 1) These probably belong to bin/ or sbin/ or both: - authtest - dovecotpw - doveadm 2) Binaries that you might want to call from mail_executable setting: - rawlog - gdbhelper 3) Index file dumping programs, mostly meant for debugging problems: - idxview - listview - logview - mailboxlogview - threadview 4) Some extra tools that might be useful sometimes: - imap-utf7 : Encode/decode IMAP mailbox names (mUTF-7 - UTF-8) - maildirlock : Lock a Maildir, primarily intended for compressing files in maildir And perhaps some of the binaries should be renamed? The authtest actually now looks like a bad name. Maybe it should have been doveauthtest or dovecot-authtest or ..? -- One must think like a hero to behave like a merely decent human being. - May Sarton Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Bard College, New York 12504 sd...@bard.edu voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035
