Re: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
Hi Christopher, On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:30:48 -0800, you [Christopher] wrote: }I'd also like to see the problem with Win-S (hotkey) in Win98 resolved. Have you tried hitting F6? For some unknown reason it works for me - though it may take a couple of smacks for it to take effect. -- Bill --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
The following feature might be nice to add; the googlebar allows the user to highlight text and press ctrl-alt-g to paste the selection into the search field, from any app. I'd also like to see the problem with Win-S (hotkey) in Win98 resolved. - Original Message - From: Shawn K. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer Hi Dennis, There seems to be some interest in introducing some of the googlebar features into DQSD and I'm looking for the cheap and easy way to do it. Good luck. Without access to thier source, that may be an issue. If the major features are simply the mini-viewer and the keyboard shortcuts it's actually relatively simple. The only other thing that looks appealing to me from the googlebar is the settings screen, which could be recreated, as well. Is there anything else that people desire from the googlebar? Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://ReliableAnswers.com/ '// You win the victory when you yield to friends. -- Sophocles --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
I see 5 features that are really worth replicating: 1) the miniviewer, by far the most important to me 2) configuration dialog--in my opinion it's a must that it should allow you to easily enable/disable searches 3) snappy performance 4) the installer--actually how clean it is 5) shortcuts at the moment dsdq is vastly superior to gg's deskbar, due to variety of open searches and extensibility, but gg's engineers won't take long to bridge the gap and add useful features based on lots of user input. If the major features are simply the mini-viewer and the keyboard shortcuts it's actually relatively simple. The only other thing that looks appealing to me from the googlebar is the settings screen, which could be recreated, as well. Is there anything else that people desire from the googlebar? Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://ReliableAnswers.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
FWIW - I see 5 features that are really worth replicating: 1) the miniviewer, by far the most important to me 2) configuration dialog--in my opinion it's a must that it should allow you to easily enable/disable searches The help window doubles as this.. The one piece missing is that the searches are merely removed from the available list and are still loaded with the toolbar.. This is a long needed design change. 3) snappy performance This directly relates to #2 above... Right now it simply takes too much time/cpu to load 300+ searches.. IMO of course.. Monty --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
At 19:51 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: The help window doubles as this.. The one piece missing is that the searches are merely removed from the available list and are still loaded with the toolbar.. This is a long needed design change. 3) snappy performance This directly relates to #2 above... Right now it simply takes too much time/cpu to load 300+ searches.. I quite agree. I'm using a twin 3GHz Xeon, which is probably as fast as any computer running DQSD, and the menu is still irritatingly (or embarrassingly) slow. The vast flickery tool tips are also a pain. (And I wrote much of the code for them!) Personally, I never use the menu any more, which means that I use only the tiny number of functions that I knew about a couple of years ago. TBH, I think DQSD needs a serious refactor/restructure, but I suspect that it's now so nearly 'good enough' that all the original developers have lost interest in improving it. (This certainly applies to me - I worked on it while it had problems which really irritated me, and for a period afterwards when I was still interested in doing the bits no-one else seemed to be able to get to work.) That's free software for you... Will --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
- Original Message - From: Will Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer At 19:51 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: The help window doubles as this.. The one piece missing is that the searches are merely removed from the available list and are still loaded with the toolbar.. This is a long needed design change. +1! 3) snappy performance This directly relates to #2 above... Right now it simply takes too much time/cpu to load 300+ searches.. +1! I quite agree. I'm using a twin 3GHz Xeon, which is probably as fast as any computer running DQSD, and the menu is still irritatingly (or embarrassingly) slow. The vast flickery tool tips are also a pain. (And I wrote much of the code for them!) Personally, I never use the menu any more, which means that I use only the tiny number of functions that I knew about a couple of years ago. Same here. I never bring that monster up. TBH, I think DQSD needs a serious refactor/restructure, but I suspect that it's now so nearly 'good enough' that all the original developers have lost interest in improving it. (This certainly applies to me - I worked on it while it had problems which really irritated me, and for a period afterwards when I was still interested in doing the bits no-one else seemed to be able to get to work.) It definitely needs a redesign/refactor/restructure. And, since there's a component doing stuff that can't be done in script, I'd like to see all the plumbing moved to component(s), instead of this mish-mash, hacked, band-aided script. That's free software for you... Will --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
Personally, I never use the menu any more... Same here. I never bring that monster up. I only do when I have to edit the config files. But now that I think about it, I should be using aliases for that too. :-/ It definitely needs a redesign/refactor/restructure. And, since there's a component doing stuff that can't be done in script, I'd like to see all the plumbing moved to component(s), instead of this mish-mash, hacked, band-aided script. I agree in part. I'd like to help out as much as I can, but I don't know C++ well enough to be able to contribute as much as if it were JavaScript, XML, VBScript or VB. I believe that if we convert the search parser to XML/XSL it'll seriously reduce the amount of memory used and should speed things up quite a bit. I won't have time for this anytime soon though. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://ReliableAnswers.com/ '// I'm not lost, I'm locationally challenged. --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John W. Bairen, Jr. Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer Here are my questions... The googlebar... Is the source available with it? No. Doesn't it have to be if it is derived from DQSD? Yes, if it in fact _is_ derived from DQSD. It probably is not. The Google folks appear to have developed it independantly, and may not even be _aware_ of DQSD. If so are we allowed to incorporate any of their changes into DQSD? It's proprietary code, and they didn't supply the source. There's nothing to prevent attempting to reverse engineer it and implementing its features independantly. There seems to be some interest in introducing some of the googlebar features into DQSD and I'm looking for the cheap and easy way to do it. Good luck. Without access to thier source, that may be an issue. I don't really know the GNU licensing stuff enough to know if my questions are even ethical. If they are not then pretend I never said them. GNU liscensing is basically simple. The GNU liscense wants to promote free software. Free software, in GNU terms, means you can get the source. The essense of the GPL is that you will provide the source to stuff you write, and that you will tell folks who get your stuff that you will do so. There is nothing in the GPL that says you can't charge moeny for your code. It only says you must provide the source. Never said what? ;-) The alternative is to formally notify the Google folks about DQSD, and see if _they_ want to implement DQSD features in the Googlebar. The GPL is a viral liscense. If they incorporate DQSD code, thier code becomes covered by the GPL, and they must make thier source available. I have no idea how the Google folks will feel about the idea. Some of them may like it. JB __ Dennis --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
Hi Dennis, There seems to be some interest in introducing some of the googlebar features into DQSD and I'm looking for the cheap and easy way to do it. Good luck. Without access to thier source, that may be an issue. If the major features are simply the mini-viewer and the keyboard shortcuts it's actually relatively simple. The only other thing that looks appealing to me from the googlebar is the settings screen, which could be recreated, as well. Is there anything else that people desire from the googlebar? Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://ReliableAnswers.com/ '// You win the victory when you yield to friends. -- Sophocles --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
I'm a fan of a GUI to change the settings. Having them all in one place rather than in several different xml files would be more convenient and less confusing for most people. The mini-viewer is well done as well. Maybe there's a way to call the google deskbar miniviewer instead of recreating one? I won't be switching anytime soon, as I've become quite attached to DQSD and love being able to create custom searches. Tony -Original Message- From: Shawn K. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer Hi Dennis, There seems to be some interest in introducing some of the googlebar features into DQSD and I'm looking for the cheap and easy way to do it. Good luck. Without access to thier source, that may be an issue. If the major features are simply the mini-viewer and the keyboard shortcuts it's actually relatively simple. The only other thing that looks appealing to me from the googlebar is the settings screen, which could be recreated, as well. Is there anything else that people desire from the googlebar? Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://ReliableAnswers.com/ '// You win the victory when you yield to friends. -- Sophocles --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
[DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
Today's news, Google launches Goggle Deskbar http://toolbar.google.com/deskbar/index.html It succesfully clone the best feature from DQSD. Less features but a better interface for configurability. You can add custom searches (I think only GET searches and not POSTs like DQSD). I still prefear DQSD because I can add my personal searches, set alarm, send emails and more but I really like the Miniviewer http://toolbar.google.com/deskbar/help/options_viewer.html !! Anyone have ideas on implementing it in DQSD? What's if google will implement searches with POSTs too? Is it going to kill dave's great creation? -b- --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer
Here are my questions... The googlebar... Is the source available with it? Doesn't it have to be if it is derived from DQSD? If so are we allowed to incorporate any of their changes into DQSD? There seems to be some interest in introducing some of the googlebar features into DQSD and I'm looking for the cheap and easy way to do it. I don't really know the GNU licensing stuff enough to know if my questions are even ethical. If they are not then pretend I never said them. Never said what? ;-) JB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DQSD-Users] Google's deskbar and miniviewer Today's news, Google launches Goggle Deskbar http://toolbar.google.com/deskbar/index.htm l It succesfully clone the best feature from DQSD. Less features but a better interface for configurability. You can add custom searches (I think only GET searches and not POSTs like DQSD). I still prefear DQSD because I can add my personal searches, set alarm, send emails and more but I really like the Miniviewer http://toolbar.google.com/deskbar/help/opti ons_viewer.html !! Anyone have ideas on implementing it in DQSD? What's if google will implement searches with POSTs too? Is it going to kill dave's great creation? -b- --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinf o/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
