bleagh well, my previous email to this list seems to have been
rejectded by a moderator possibly.
Anyway I just have to say that, yes cdrecord-prodvd has recorded
to +R media for a long time, but i agree 100% with Bryan here, the
results from cdrecord-prodvd and pioneer drives were absolute
RUBBISH
crecord-prodvd and pioneer drives have made dvd burning a HELL
for me for the last 2 years.
It INFURIATES me, first that Pioneer, and 2nd that this Jorg guy
can claim their hadrware/software supports +R when the results
are such absolute crap.
If you do a verify of what has been written, like I do, you find there
are errors on so many discs its it horrifying. And i am talking about
doing the verify immediately after burning, so its not dust or scratches
on the disc that has caused the verify error.
So I would say, to anyone:
1) get an LG drive
2) if u wanna use +R media, use growisofs,
cdrecord-prodvd is ok for -R, but forget doing +R with it.
It CAN be done, probably, like Bryan says using some -R emulation
mode of the drive, but the results are completely unreliable, even
with GOOD verbatim media.
growisofs, LG, and +R -- for those who want to know the bare minimum
required to burn DVDs hassle-free - that should do it. Or, for windows
users... just get LG drive and u cant go wrong as long as u get good +R
media.
On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:49 am, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
Pioneer A106. I.e. not Ricoh.
Pioneer is _not_ a DVD+RW firmware drive.
It is a DVD-RW firmware drive.
And Pioneer produces very _poor_ DVD+R media as a result.
I think we've been through this.
It wouldn't surprise me if your A106 is recording to the DVD+R in an
_improper_ way, using the DVD-R approach -- which is why Anand (under
Windows no less) had such poor results in his review of the 06 series a
few months back with DVD+R in Pioneer DVD-RW drives.
Yes. Very.
Then the Pioneer must be putting the DVD+RW in DVD-R emulation mode,
something Sony/Philips _never_ supported.
DVD-RAM and DVD-RW can do such.
And look, here, the software agrees with me too:
Current: DVD+RW
Profile: DVD+R
Profile: DVD+RW (current)
Profile: DVD-RW sequential overwrite
Profile: DVD-RW restricted overwrite
Profile: DVD-R sequential recording
Profile: DVD-ROM
Profile: CD-RW
Profile: CD-R
Profile: CD-ROM
That's just the software reporting what the _drive_ says it supports,
*NOT* whether or not these formats can be written to.
Jörg writes about -prodvd in the README dated Aug 2004 (and Oct 05):
only. This is the reason why support for DVD+R/RW did appear
first at 14.4.2003 in cdrecord-ProDVD. These drives use a completely
different command set and completely different usage paradigmas. As I
received the DVD+R/RW drive samples too late for the 2.0 release
(although developer samples have been available more than 6 months
earlier) DVD+ support is only available in release 2.01. The way I read
that is that the software is expected to burn DVD+R(W) media in those
drives capable of doing so. So my advice that it's expected to work was
correct (whether I've read the -prodvd manual or not).
You keep mixing concepts. I have tried to educate you on this, and how
drive support is rather varied.
Once again, even Jorg gives it to you ...
These drives use a completely different command set and
completely different usage paradigmas.
CD-R/DVD-R is recorded in byte-by-byte, impossible for DVD-RW, DVD+R and
DVD+RW.
So the Pioneer must be putting the DVD+RW in DVD-R emulation mode. Good
luck with cross drive compatibility -- especially earlier DVD players!
Typical for people with an I-know-it-all attitude problem to not admit
when they've been wrong. Especially when they've just let off a personal
tirade on false grounds.
I'm not all knowing.
You keep giving repeatedly *BAD* advise to new users based on your
*LIMITED* drive experience.
I have just about _every_ LG GSA-408x/416x model _ever_ produced. I
know what these things can do.
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