Re: [Dx4win] D4W v9 memory size?
Years and years ago, before Windows, if you had an executable that was 25KB that's what it took to run, plus whatever extra memory it requested from the operating system for variables. Short version of what follows: Programs with GUI interfaces (in particular) use a lot more memory than just the executable itself. Longer version: Under Windows, the size of the program itself is only part of what's required and the explanation can get very complicated. I've got a tool (Google "sysinternals VMMap" if you're interested) that shows what all the memory is used for. Briefly, about 4MB is in fact used for the executable code. However, another roughly 50MB is used to load DLLs (dynamic linked libraries) that the program needs to operate. There is another MB used for mapped files, which is a quick way to store data so it doesn't have to be fetched from disk every time it's needed. A simple example is are things like the cities, states, lakes, rivers, etc. that are needed for the map, but a whopping 18MB is used to cache fonts. (I'd need to check, but that's probably something common to Windows programs). There's another 35MB of Shareable memory which can be used for things like inter-process communication. I can't tell specifically what it's used for, Paul would have to tell you. There's 15MB used for various stacks, which is part of how programs run. The biggest remaining chunk at about 210MB is for Private Data, which is typically used for variables in the program. Again, Paul would have to explain how things are organized in the program. For those of you keeping score, you'll note that what's shown adds up to way over 193MB. In fact, adding in a few things that I left out shows that there is actually just under 354MB allocated to the dx4win.exe process. Where does the 195MB number come from? That's what's known as private memory that's directly "charged" to the program that can't be used by the system for anything else. All the other memory is (sort of) shareable between other processes if more memory is needed. It turns out that of that 195MB the vast majority is used by Private Data (189MB) and the rest by portions of all of the rest. So in summary, there's unlikely to actually be anything wrong here at all. While it seems astonishing to those of us who grew up and built PCs and did upgrades by buying 256 BYTE chips one at a time when we could afford them, this might seem totally insane, but we live in a world where a machine with 4GB of RAM is probably considered the bare minimum these days (running Windows; Linux can be massively more frugal). For those of you who already know about this kind of thing, I'm aware that I've simplified a lot and left out a lot of details, and I've kind of mangled the concept of Private Bytes vs. Working Set, etc.). This was the best simple-ish explanation I could come up with and still try to answer Len's question. Flames to me off-list please. 73, David, K2DBK -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Len K1NU Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 8:23 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] D4W v9 memory size? So, I just happened to be in Task Manager in Windows 7, and noticed that D4W was taking up 195MB(!) of RAM. I shut it down, and restarted it fresh. No change. Can someone explain this? Seems like something’s wrong. The .exe is 4MB, the .wav files are 1MB, and my log is 7MB. What’s using the other 183MB?? It can’t be all databases. :) 73 Len K1NU __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX Spots Question
Thanks Jim,No it did not. So that is probably why. Thanks Jim!73,Rory, K5CKS Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Jim Reisert AD1C Date: 8/14/19 8:07 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Rory Bowers Cc: DX4WIN Reflector Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX Spots Question On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:17 PM Rory Bowers K5CKS wrote:> I just noticed this today... I was watching the spots on the cluster and> T77C showed up on 17M FT8 highlighted dark blue (Needed New Mode). The> problem is, I have already worked him on 17M FT8 and he is in my DX4Win> log. What am I missing?Did the spot specifically say FT8 in the comment? If not, DX4WIN mayhave interpreted it as either CW or Phone based on the frequency. Ifyou need T77C on one of those modes, the spot would be blue.-- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX Spots Question
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:17 PM Rory Bowers K5CKS wrote: > I just noticed this today... I was watching the spots on the cluster and > T77C showed up on 17M FT8 highlighted dark blue (Needed New Mode). The > problem is, I have already worked him on 17M FT8 and he is in my DX4Win > log. What am I missing? Did the spot specifically say FT8 in the comment? If not, DX4WIN may have interpreted it as either CW or Phone based on the frequency. If you need T77C on one of those modes, the spot would be blue. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] D4W v9 memory size?
Looks like that is the case...mine is taking 187 Mb...but that’s only roughly 22% of my used memory which is only 44% of installed memory. Gotta hold all that data somewhere. Mike K7PI -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Len K1NU Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 17:23 To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] D4W v9 memory size? So, I just happened to be in Task Manager in Windows 7, and noticed that D4W was taking up 195MB(!) of RAM. I shut it down, and restarted it fresh. No change. Can someone explain this? Seems like something’s wrong. The .exe is 4MB, the .wav files are 1MB, and my log is 7MB. What’s using the other 183MB?? It can’t be all databases. :) 73 Len K1NU __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] D4W v9 memory size?
So, I just happened to be in Task Manager in Windows 7, and noticed that D4W was taking up 195MB(!) of RAM. I shut it down, and restarted it fresh. No change. Can someone explain this? Seems like something’s wrong. The .exe is 4MB, the .wav files are 1MB, and my log is 7MB. What’s using the other 183MB?? It can’t be all databases. :) 73 Len K1NU __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] DX Spots Question
I just noticed this today... I was watching the spots on the cluster and T77C showed up on 17M FT8 highlighted dark blue (Needed New Mode). The problem is, I have already worked him on 17M FT8 and he is in my DX4Win log. What am I missing? 73, Rory, K5CKS __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
