[e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze!!!! Latest Update of EE-Ventures
Is there any recourse for those of us who were so stupid? Yeah... You can hire a psychic to find him, make a deal with the devil, become a god (if you're all-knowing, you will be able to find this guy), or any of a number of other methods. ;) Seriously, you have hopefully learned what to look out for and avoid in the future. With this knowledge you can also help others avoid such pitfalls; however, others usually have to learn this themselves. You also now have more of what your dad always wanted you to build - character. Anything bad that happens to you builds character, right? Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze!!!! Latest Update of EE-Ventures
Joe, I don't know about the IRS law in the US. But I know what Revenu Canada is asking from all companies. Whenever a company (or an other constituent) is paying any sort of commision to a Canadian or a foreigner working in Canada, the company must collect all identification information from the person receiving the money including his SSN. This person is automatically considered as a part time employee. The company must also send an annual T4 (payer's declartion) to that person. That is the law here in Canada and I suspect it is pretty much the same in many countries including the US. So business lie EEbiz would have to do it if they are located in Canada unless they want to remain illegal. Claude On 13 Dec 2000, at 9:40, Joseph Firmino wrote: rather than some jive company who wants to claim that their employees are "independant" (in the looser sense of the word) just to save them taxes. You also pay higher taxes as an independant contractor than you would if you were classified as an employee. What this all has to do with investment clubs or programs or what have you, I have no idea. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze!!!! Latest Update of EE-Ventures
The point is, that those participating in E-Biz are NOT working for E-biz and are NOT being paid any commission, there is absolutely no employer/employee relationship. Gary - Original Message - From: "Claude Cormier" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze Latest Update of EE-Ventures Joe, I don't know about the IRS law in the US. But I know what Revenu Canada is asking from all companies. Whenever a company (or an other constituent) is paying any sort of commision to a Canadian or a foreigner working in Canada, the company must collect all identification information from the person receiving the money including his SSN. This person is automatically considered as a part time employee --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze!!!! Latest Update of EE-Ventures
Ponzi or not, it makes no difference to me, I consider them all as gambling. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I don't feel any worse about making money there than I do at a casino. The money you win at a casino or at the track is money some other guy lost, do you feel bad when you win at the casino? If you owned stock in one of the recently demised dot com companies and sold it at a nice profit just before it went belly up, would you feel bad? Gary - Original Message - From: "Mike McNamara" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze Latest Update of EE-Ventures At 9:40 AM -0500 12/14/00, gary wrote: The point is, that those participating in E-Biz are NOT working for E-biz and are NOT being paid any commission, there is absolutely no employer/employee relationship. Further, and the ultimate truth here, is that unless you personally are operating the Ponzi scheme, there's a (good) chance that you're going to get burned. . Everyone who got taken for a ride, I suggest getting over it. You invested in a scam. Have you ever heard the phrase "Too good to be true?" Well now it has some additional meaning. Even if you do manage to make any money as a Ponzi participent it's only because someone else is getting bent over. Feels terrific doesn't it! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: NEWEST OPPORTUNITY
Can we please save all the bogus stuff for April 1st? Enough already! -- All information + transactions non negotiable and private between the parties. All Rights Reserved + Copyright 2000 Angela Kahealani. URL:http://www.kahealani.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account
Hello, I just received this (below) from SR and thought I would go and test the new interface. What a disappointment!! Even the games I write are far more user friendly and better integrated with e-gold than this. I hope you don't pay those programmers much, its a backyard job! First I went to the add funds tab as instructed.. no problems, the page displayed Now amount the amount to transfer, nowhere on the form does it say the amount must be in grams, and why can't one choose whether you wish to enter grams or dollars? There is not even a current exchange rate on the page to help me do the calc by hand! So I worked out it was to be grams... clicked preview Wow speed reading or what?! You must click the confirm button eh? The damn form forwards before you can even read it, never mind click the confirm button. Apart from that, no matter what amount you entered on the form, you get this: At the current exchange rate of 0.00 g per g of SR-AUG, g of SR-AUG will be spent to Standard Reserve account 120732 (Sidd) upon receipt of good funds. What the hell does this mean? Maybe thats why the form forwards so fast; so you don't get a chance to wonder? So then we get the e-gold shopping cart interface... no pre filled memo... but at least that works as expected... Complete the spend and the spend window is closed... no problem until... I click account info tab to see if the spend was successful... blam ASP error, unhandled data type... every time you click that tab, same result... Where did you guys get these programmers? I could program that entire user interface in 2 hours so that it worked properly and had a bit of finesse and user friendliness. Anyway so... after logging on again (to see if I could get the account info link to work)... I decided to try the other features. Most of it seems to work ok, except the merchant tab gives error 404. Then I tried the exchange between SR-AUG SR-USD and what a sorry setup that is!(but at least it works). There is no current exchange rate shown on the display, so I need to get out my calculator to work out the rate, then I must guess if the amount to insert in the form is grams or SR-USD. By the way, what the hell is the ugly intermediate page displayed for? There is no option to cancel and even a click on the back button shows the transaction is already done. Its a waste of time and looks ugly! Again, it would take me less than an hour to get that working so you could choose to enter the amount in dollars or grams and also display the current exchange rate with the balances. Nothing to it! Come on guys, this is supposed to be a big bucks professional deal and is supposed to attract everyday customers from the real world. Its just not good enough! Sorry if I seem to be ranting, (I am)... I would be embarrassed to release software like that... Regards, Sidd. -Original Message- From: Service [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 15 December 2000 13:09 To: Service Subject: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account .. snippage.. We have a very easy and immediate way for you to move e-gold to Standard Reserve: (1) Log into your Standard Reserve account. (2) Select the "Add Funds" tab. A pop-up window appears. (3) Select the "Standard Reserve---Exchange e-gold for SR-AUG" option. A spend form appears. (4) Enter the weight of gold you wish to transfer, then press the Preview button. (5) Complete the spend. Remember to press every "Continue" and "Confirm" button until the popup window disappears. (6) Refresh your balance page to see new value. (Press the "Balance" tab to refresh the page). .snippage.. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account
I just spotted this too in my previous message upon receipt of good funds. So what the hell are "bad" funds when doing an e-gold spend??? cheers, Sidd --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account
Hello All! Wow...Sidd, you are a man of many critiques! I would like to say that I am impressed by the response you posted on this list detailing all the flaws with the Standard Reserve system. You appear to have found numerous glitches in their *new* system. As a Market Maker, I want to know that I am working with the *best* available software and systems. Deduct one point from SR. Now, what has TRULY amazed me (anyone else feel this way?) was that Standard Reserve appears to pay attention to what its critics are saying and even has the time to respond! Loryn Jenkins gets my vote hands down for responsiveness to client needs! Add ten point for SR! It appears to me that what everyone wants (or at least those who care enough to be vocal on these lists!) is a company that has a *quality* product AS WELL AS the customer support to back it up. Truthfully, the programming is a little over my head, but I can't remember the last time a few of the other companies (who shall remain nameless!) took the time to respond to their critics in such a fashion. Loryn Jenkins...I applaud you for your approach and your responsiveness! Looks like the "dawn of a new day" is just about to take place! Anyone else tired of the void we have been enveloped in for far too long? Thanks for listening! Eric - Original Message - From: Elwyn Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account Sidd, and everyone else who wants a better Standard Reserve, You are absolutely correct with every one of your criticisms ... far more than you know. Standard Reserve is a startup company in search of first round funding. We currently have extremely limited technical resources, but huge, huge plans. I am proud of what Standard Reserve has accomplished in the last three months. We have: * designed a corporate structure that protects the assets of account holders, even if Standard Reserve goes broke, * achieved the approval from banking partners and Federal US Banking Regulators for an international debit card issuing program (PayPal, with all their money, have not yet achieved this!), * implemented the interaction between Standard Reserve and the debit card processor * bartered for a ten-seat, 16-hour per day phone-based help desk, * provide email-based customer service 18 to 20 hours per day, * revamped an existing on-line accounting system, * are in the process of building an attractive affiliates program (just a few more weeks yet), * implemented a certification program for Agents (aka Market Makers) to raise the level of professionalism, * are implementing an Agent-in-the-box product to assist current and would-be Agents to smoothly and automatically operate their business, * launched the Gold Economy Magazine to spear-head the promotion of the gold economy. Our focus *is* on developing a far better user experience than is currently available in the gold economy. So you can guess that I certainly am not pleased with the current engineering of our web site. I am desperately unhappy that Netscape users effectively cannot use our system. (We're releasing an updated site next week that will work across all major browsers.) And I am certainly not pleased with our user interface. The next few months will see us re-engineering the key problem areas as quickly as we can. Like you, I am not pleased to release software whose quality is below par. Unfortunately, investors care nothing for software quality. They care for an operating, functioning business. I would always like to work out software problems carefully prior to releasing a system or company. Our financial situation demanded that we enter the market place ASAP. We've did it. And we're scrambling. I apologise to everyone for the software quality. But if you have a problem, let us know: you'll find us *responsive*. Sidd, I would like to respond to some specific points you made. And in each of them your comment is absolutely correct. User interface issues: -- (1) No unit of measure on "Add Funds" feature. We'll certainly modify this within the week. Mark my words. (2) Cannot choose between grams and dollars. Standard Reserve believe that it is in the long-term best interests of the gold economy for people to begin thinking of values in terms of gold. For far too long, people using e-gold have been talking about "spending me dollars worth of gold." "Dollars worth of gold" depreciates the notion of gold, and makes it of less import than one's national currency. To foster this world-view, we made a decision a few months ago, to remove the "x currency worth of" features from our spend forms. In our system, you get to spend in dollars, or you spend in gold. It isn't particularly friendly for most people:
[e-gold-list] Re: Announcement of Individual exchangers
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Angela Kahealani wrote: please explain how money exchanging is NOT commerce? Money is money. To change money from one form to another is not commerce. Commerce involves exchanging goods or services for money. One problem with the way that market makers operate is the terminology they use. Most of them use wording such as "We only charge 5%". This gives the false impression that they are charging a commision for the act of exchanging fiat money for gold. If market makers where on the ball (hint hint) they would advertise an exchange rate. Something like "Exchange rate for US$ to E-Gold is $8.85 per gram". This is a money swap, not commerce. It is no different than walking into a bank and exchanging US$ for CAN$. While I realize that this seems like a trivial difference, I can guarentee that it is not. As a side note, publishing exchange rates would make choosing a money changer MUCH easier and less confusing for the average joe out there. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FW: RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account
Hi Loryn, Thanks for your excellent response, you guys have the right attitude; if all online businesses were as responsive and positive I would sleep better at night! Best regards, Sidd. PS I will definitely be in touch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Elwyn Jenkins Sent: Friday, 15 December 2000 16:51 To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account By the way Loryn had difficulties in getting this to air as he had not posted to this list before!! So, being a close relative, I was asked to get it to air so that you could all have a prompt answer!! Dr Elwyn Jenkins The Gold Economy www.goldeconomy.com ++ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve......
Hi Eric, -Original Message- Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange Sent: Friday, 15 December 2000 17:49 Hello All! Wow...Sidd, you are a man of many critiques! I would like to say that I am impressed by the response you posted on this list detailing all the flaws with the Standard Reserve system. You appear to have found numerous glitches in their *new* system. Thanks for recognising that my rant was precipitated by disappointment and a desire to give constructive pointers, not any vindictive desire to criticise. Now, what has TRULY amazed me (anyone else feel this way?) was that Standard Reserve appears to pay attention to what its critics are saying and even has the time to respond! Loryn Jenkins gets my vote hands down for responsiveness to client needs! Add ten point for SR! Hear hear, I absolutely agree! It appears to me that what everyone wants (or at least those who care enough to be vocal on these lists!) is a company that has a *quality* product AS WELL AS the customer support to back it up. Truthfully, the programming is a little over my head, but I can't remember the last time a few of the other companies (who shall remain nameless!) took the time to respond to their critics in such a fashion. Loryn Jenkins...I applaud you for your approach and your responsiveness! Again, I heartily concur! Congratulations Loryn. all the best, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Announcement of Individual exchangers
Vince Callaway wrote: . . . . . . . .Commerce involves exchanging goods or services for money. One problem with the way that market makers operate is the terminology they use. Most of them use wording such as "We only charge 5%". This gives the false impression that they are charging a commision for the act of exchanging fiat money for gold. If market makers where on the ball (hint hint) they would advertise an exchange rate. Something like "Exchange rate for US$ to E-Gold is $8.85 per gram". This is a money swap, not commerce. It is no different than walking into a bank and exchanging US$ for CAN$. There is nothing misleading when an e-gold exchange provider says he/she charges x% to convert national currency into e-gold. It's the simplest way to convey the fee and make sure all costs are covered, even in a fluctuating metals market. By expressing the exchange rate as x%, instead of x$/gram of e-metal a merchant doesn't have to worry about updating the price list and the customer also knows what to expect. An x% service fee is simply merchant "A's" fee to provide the _service_ of converting national currency (via some medium) to e-gold. This fee of course covers the cost of doing business, and gives a little extra to the merchant to put food on the table and a roof overhead. Nothing fancy, or misleading . . . simply straight forward business. And since money changing is a service, it falls under the definition of commerce kindly noted above. Also, at this stage of the game, it's _not_ the same as walking into a bank and exchanging U.S.$ for CAN$ -- though there is an analogy . . . far removed. The congruency though, if commodity backed electronic currencies survive and flurish, will emerge with time. PECB www.gold-age.net ** Parker E.C. BradleyE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.E.C.B. Engineering web: www.pecb.com ** PGP PUBLIC KEY AVAILABLE http://www.pecb.com/PECP_ASP.html ** e-gold # 108224 http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=108224 ** --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
