[e-gold-list] Re: banks spends ... yes in Oz!
Michael Moore wrote: I just checked the fee schedule too cost just 25 c using online banking. David Hillary Heaps cheaper than wired funds or even cheques. Commonwealth bank fees are even cheaper at just 20c for such transactions. St George is also 20c. National Australia Bank fees are not available online. They don't even have a 24/7 telephone service for sales/service enquiries! (Neither does the commonwealth, Westpac does). The sooner the US banks start with the online the happier I will be but I won't hold my breath. Actually as an MM I have some major expansion plans underway that will alleaviate much of the problems for both Aussies and US citizens. You can expect some big changes and faster easier transaction methods that are secure and stable coming up in a week or two. Stay Tuned!! Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: hard for soft
"David" == David Hillary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David why can I go to any ATM, insert my credit card and get my David "available balance" as cash? ... I can get the hardest form of David money with the softest and instantly. repudiation rules (and fees, interest, etc) for cash advances are different than for purchases. And if you did try to repudiate, I'm sure the bank would grab the surveillance video and seriously look at bringing fraud charges. (At least over here; rest of the world may be less inclined to look to the courts... :) A cc ca would not be as soft as a cc purchase on jp's scale. -JimC -- James H. Cloos, Jr. http://jhcloos.com/public_key 1024D/ED7DAEA6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Could it be? (was Re: banks spends ... yes in Oz!
At 05:09 PM 2/4/2001 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marvellous! It sounds like many Aussie banks have a "spend" feature. I wonder if it's because Dr. Elwyn Jenkins and Loryn Jenkins (SRs founder and CTO respectively) were the ones who architected the Australian banks move to the Internet, long before it was even a twinkle in the eye of US banks? George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Could it be? (was Re: banks spends ... yes in Oz!
Got Quite a bit to do with that I think. Certainly we pre-prepared them for the Internet age and pushed them into thinking the way of the Internet at highest board level over the years 1994-6. We also delivered to St George, Commonwealth and I had consulting jobs with ANZ Australia and NZ as well as National Australia Bank. Westpac was always competing with the others and emulating what we did. Essentially their Internet stratgegies stem from that period. ej ++ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of George Matyjewicz Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 9:52 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Could it be? (was Re: banks "spends" ... yes in Oz! At 05:09 PM 2/4/2001 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marvellous! It sounds like many Aussie banks have a "spend" feature. I wonder if it's because Dr. Elwyn Jenkins and Loryn Jenkins (SRs founder and CTO respectively) were the ones who architected the Australian banks move to the Internet, long before it was even a twinkle in the eye of US banks? George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] E-gold pay to surf
Does anyone know if there are 'paid to surf' programs that pay in e-gold? Thanks in advance Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system
At 5:31 PM -0500 2/3/01, Elwyn Jenkins wrote: ... Someone ought to do/flesh out a piece describing how Bertelsmann/Napster is going to screw up crash and burn if it attempts to become a for-pay service and fails to accept AUG. Well, Elwyn, I'd be glad to, but I say all the good rants have mostly been written, at the following URLs. First, What's Wrong With Content Protection http://cryptome.org/jg-wwwcp.htm is by cypherpunks cofounder (if it's possible to co-found an anarchy) John Gilmore. John was one of the original employees of Sun Microsystems, and did a number of other things such as co-found EFF (which now accepts e-gold, and is still a worthy cause!) John can turn a phrase, for example: "What is wrong is that we have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." Second, Courtney Love's Manifesto (first published in Salon long ago) http://www.hole.com/speech/index.html talks about how artists make (and don't make) money. By the way, if any of you can help me with an artist I'd appreciate it. Anyway, if I put both those rants together I see the gold economy smoothing out many of the problems John and Courtney see. ...(good points) . So we are talking micropayments in the range of USD 0.05 - 0.25 for a session, or monthly payments in the range of USD 5 - 10. Not just that, they're basically buying into a __ V. Bertelsman/ Napster/et.al. lawsuit or 30, in exchange for MUCH less content in the end. Automatic recurring monthly payments are fine for some things, but not for internet things. If I'm off on vacation for 2 weeks I don't want to be billed for Napster during those 2 weeks, but I'm ok with a monthly magazine billing me (well, actually I nag them to accept e-gold whenever they bill me, but you knew that). ...free communities will again emerge, btw, in .org competition with Napster]. Oh, it's already happening, with Gnutella being only one of the upstarts. Gnutella will react just as another community, the remailer operators, reacted to a lawsuit that exposed the records of an early, easy-to-use, anonymous email service called anon-penet.fi. When Zimmerman was attacked for producing strong cryptography, many of us gave time and money to the issue. Now there is tremendous (and hopefully-growing) support for 2600 magazine's Eric Corley (AKA "Emmanuel Goldstein," and an *excellent* journalist IMO) in a DVD case, see http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20010119_ny_eff_appeal_pressrel.html for more, and if you want to help EFF then JOIN and click them some gold, NOW! There's a lot to do, IMO. Anyway, from all these examples and others, one could paraphrase John Gilmore's (in)famous quote re censorship to say: "the internet treats content control as damage and routes around it." Napster will have to "think outside the box" to take away the advantages of services that will always remain free, and will ultimately be technologically-unstoppable-FROM being free, IMO. The legal profession is about to learn a very harsh clue-lesson about this, and finally the law in question will be modified or struck down (IANAL, but that's what I think will finally happen). Napster should (but probably won't) admit that music is soon largely going to be paid for with tips. The interesting thing is, if you read Love's essay, tips might be FAR better money than even top-shelf musicians are getting right now from the record companies. (Hopefully my buddy Melissa Foxx will help us in this area, but it's slow going!) Musicians, rather than giant corp.s like Seagrams, Sony, Bertelsman, etc. would seem to be our natural allies (permission to forward this to any actual musician you know is hereby granted!). If enough musicians noticed us, Napster would have to notice the gold economy. I agree that they're likely to eventually crash and burn if they don't accept sound money at least as a choice, but it may take a while for their shareholders to get fed up (look at Amazon). That's why I'm such a fan of http://www.fairtunes.com/ (which will hopefully soon notice 2cw is the best way to pay musicians). We can go right around the major companies and appeal directly to those we can help more. Thanks for reading. http://2cw.org/jmr gives my foundation 2cw. :) JMR (Still thrilled to death about the prospect of gold-chess.) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Suggested use for the JP May money hardness scale
I would suggest e-gold and market makers post something like this on their sites. http://home.earthlink.net/~fitz22/may.html (-- Please send me suggestions and I am thinking about a column for pros and cons.) Why? To manage other's expectations and educate them. Having a comparison of what's going on gives people confidence. Also, since the current main issue seems to be the wait to get money into an account, just educate clients that: (modified from JP May's post) "Keep in mind that funding a new BANK ACCOUNT is just as difficult as buying e-gold. When you open a stock brokering account at etrade or whatever, you certainly cannot get funds there instantly -- your options are wire and wait days, bank check or cashier's check and wait a week or a personal check and wait a couple of weeks. My market maker company is just like these other types of firms: we have to wait for the money to positively clear before we can fund your account." We are linking something unfamiliar with something familiar. (I think it is called 'normalizing'. Since we basically make one to one contact with new e-golders, we might as well educate them while we are at it. jf --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system
I am working on this as one of my projects. An initial press release has been written and sent off (Ask George he has it) and, whenI have complete writing the KSP book I will start on it. Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com - Original Message - From: "Elwyn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:20 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system Well, Elwyn, I'd be glad to, but I say all the good rants have mostly been written, at the following URLs. But another rant should be written explaining how e-gold could save them!! Pulling from all the other stuff that has been written to build a case for E-Gold as the way to make them work. ej ++ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system
In all of this discussion thread regarding micro payment there is one thing I notice missing. That is a damn good marketing agent who knows how to sell an idea or concept to a commerical company and is prepared to go at it full steam. This is or was how traditional concept were entered into the commercial market place. I think that if the case was presented to Napster style of companies, or any business that wants to accept a micro payment, in a professional marketing style you would achieve a more notable success. It is not the product that sells. It is the sizzle. Who is pointing out the benefits of micro gold payments to these companies? Our problem is that we do not have a concerted effort by e-gold SR MMs et all contributing in the same manner as a large commercial company would to produce a result. i know there are good marketing agents out there. I bet Elwyn is one, George another and heaps I have missed. But Marketing is a full time job. Quantity comes before quanity and you have to talk to heaps of people or companies to find one that will accept your concept. I hope people are understanding what I say. this could even call for a advertising agency to beef up our image in the mainstream. Once the product is sold... I know the techies will move in and make it happen. But you gotta sell the idea first! Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday At 5:31 PM -0500 2/3/01, Elwyn Jenkins wrote: ... Someone ought to do/flesh out a piece describing how Bertelsmann/Napster is going to screw up crash and burn if it attempts to become a for-pay service and fails to accept AUG. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] The AUG Economy Infrastructure Portfolio
To celebrate the emergence of the AUG economy (AUG: grams of gold or gold grams), Bearerinstruments.com is starting a portfolio of exchange traded companies that will build out a new type of required infrastructure for individuals and other types of businesses using e-metal money or e-metal backed money to function on. Bob -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com A Directory of Web sites and Internet presences accepting non-fiat monies. http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: 2 cents url
Hi Boyd, It appears (if the URLs on your message are the ones you are using) that you have indeed set them up slightly wrong. They should be as follows if you wish to use SR: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?109406SR[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?120895SR[EMAIL PROTECTED] OR http://2cw.org/109406SR[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://2cw.org/120895SR[EMAIL PROTECTED] I apologise for the inconvenience and have changed the instructions page so it is (hopefully) easier to read. Regards, Sidd. -Original Message- From: B Ray When i tried to send some egold to my SR acct using the 2 cents worth url, it never got there. I suspect it ended up in someones egold acct that may be the same number as my SR acct 120895. Anyone know what i did wrong or do i have the urls set up right. I thought i followed the instrusctions correctly on how to set them up, but i guess not. Any help would be appreciated. http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?109406[zz][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?120895[zz][EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Two Cents worth gif
Hi, As requested here is a gif that can be freely used where a link to the 2cw.org site is used... Enjoy. Sidd. 2cw_tiny.gif --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Could it be? (was Re: banks spends ... yes in Oz!
GM, Are you saying that you guys had a major input into the designs of the systems now operational within OZ? If so, you guys are bloody hero's! Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Fax; +1(312)777-4270 Want a debit card linked to your e-gold account? Apply at my site! https://www.standardreserve.com/acct/instant_anywhere_application.asp?CID=10 https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=103346 George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:09 PM 2/4/2001 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marvellous! It sounds like many Aussie banks have a "spend" feature. I wonder if it's because Dr. Elwyn Jenkins and Loryn Jenkins (SRs founder and CTO respectively) were the ones who architected the Australian banks move to the Internet, long before it was even a twinkle in the eye of US banks? George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Could it be? (was Re: banks spends ... yes in Oz!
At 05:47 PM 2/4/2001 -0500, Graham Kelly wrote: GM, Are you saying that you guys had a major input into the designs of the systems now operational within OZ? If so, you guys are bloody hero's! Not me. Only Elwyn and Loryn. And, yes, they are bloody geniuses! Combine that with Phylliss' expertise in finance and controls and my marketing expertise, and we may have some degree of success, eh? Which is why I originally posed the question about ways of funding gold accounts and thinking outside the box. If the Jenkins could help move a banking institution or two in OZ, then this should be a piece of cake ;-) George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system
At 7:18 AM +1100 2/5/01, Michael Moore wrote: ... Once the product is sold... I know the techies will move in and make it happen. But you gotta sell the idea first! ... Actually (and unlike other "dot com" companies) the reverse order has been the tradition around these parts, and due to the skill of techies we are blessed to have aboard, this product gets progressively easier to sell. I was thinking about it the other day, e-gold's a _LOT_ cooler than it was when I first found out about it. When I first heard about e-gold, I had already seen Henry Hazlitt's writings on money, and e-gold was so much like what I wanted that I refused to believe it could be true. It took a friend to introduce e-gold to me, but back then there was very little I could buy with it. It's been my opinion/experience that it is very easy to waste money on advertising. Further, e-gold can sometimes be a frustrating thing to describe because there are so many benefits that affect different users differently. Fortunately, we have some very smart folks around here who are willing to offer their talents for free. I seriously doubt any ad agency could come up with anything as good as "e-gold is to money what email is to letters," for example. (Thanks JP!) JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system
hello, Just putting my two cents in. The ultimate funding system is a system that requires no funding. For example, if an e-currency architecture included a bank some interesting things could happen. If for example the SR-USD was an actual bank account, you could use it as your bank account and when you need SR-GOLD you simply do a conversion. Khurram Khan _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ultimate funding system
. I seriously doubt any ad agency could come up with anything as good as "e-gold is to money what email is to letters," for example. (Thanks JP!) JMR What about coke is it! There are many slogans that work. In the UK years ago the word PINTA was introduced, 'Drinka Pinta Milk Aday'. Pinta is now in the English Dictionary. There is also Hoover for Vacuum Cleaner and Fridge for Icebox. And so it goes on. I'm sure someone can think of more. All the result of Advertising. I guarantee if you have a budget of a million dollars and a top flight ad agency, e-gold would be a household word befor the end of the year. It is not that advertising does not work. Like many things it is the amount of work and effort and even money you are prepared to put into it that counts. But I like James's comment ..."e-gold is to money what email is to letters." That is the kind of thinking we need to come up with. Slogans that communicate to the uninitiated. We need new blood. the more we can do to introduce new blood into our economy the bigger better and more stable it will become and that will benefit all of us. Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
