[e-gold-list] Re: Lateko: BE warned!
Considering that that vast majority of these so called *anonymous* debit cards are used for criminal activity, I don't blame them for slamming your acct's down. i.e. Just about all the crooks who rip-off e-gold acct's (via key loggers, auction fraud, etc..) use Cards like the one you so vigorously peddled to get their pilfered funds in their dirty little hands. IMHO Companies who acted in this irresponsible and unethical behavior aided and abetted thievery and deserve what they have coming! After all this (+ ospyrite) you still want to peddle anonymous cards - your signature says: get your no-name card now If you want to be the front man (fencer) for fraud, as well as aid thieves and money launderers then you shouldn't complain when you get treated the way you do by a Bank. You Sir, are the proverbial loose cannon! With your Banking track record (of constantly having acct's closed, frozen, or being asked to leave) if I were a Bank manager (and saw you coming) I would Pay You to NOT open an acct with my Bank!! JB _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: fastgold
I have seen a few of these types of requests recently. Judging by recent events regarding Ospyrite I would suggest checking International Airports in Oklahoma. Look for someone with a one way ticket out of the USA and displaying nervous tendencies while checking over their shoulder often. You may also want to check with the US District Attorneys office in Tulsa too. If all of the above fail you can always check cell pod #8, sect #116 Blcok #10 - at the Marion FPC (Federal Penitentiary Center). Who knows? JB Can someone please help me locate Mr James Shupperd? How can I contact him? Sincerelly, Paul _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Lateko: BE warned!
No-one said anything about Security. If you wish to use YOUR Company to be a front for illegal activity then feel free to do so. Just make sure you charge enough for the service to set aside some money for high-power attorneys that can bail you out (they don't come cheap) WTSHTF. Then don't bitch and whine about your Bank acct's getting closed all the time, with Mr. Kelly it seems to be on an almost constant basis (or every several months anyway). It seems the Companies who operate in a less than professional manner are the ones who are dragging down (as your quote references below) reputations in the DGC community, not me! If the DGC community DOES NOT Police itself (and do so quickly) then you WILL see Governmental Regulation and Enforcement. Either clean the DGC system up from the inside out and gain mainstream acceptance, or do nothing and watch the system destroyed. JB You and they are like drowning non-swimmers thrashing about in the water. Pay them no heed nor get close or they will drag you down with them. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Lawsuit
I don't know? It seems pretty simple to me. If you don't want to be subject to US courts or US laws then don't do business with US residents. Refuse it! Then you don't have to worry about being sued in US Courts if you get involved in something like OSPyrite or many of the other Ponzis out there. Don't accept US business, don't use US Banks, etc.. If you do the opposite, then offshore jurisdiction bullshit means nothing. It's all an illusion peddled by snake oil salesman who make a lot of money selling false security. These guys all want the money from US residents,, but WTSHTF they want to run to some offshore Banana Republic for protection and say: hey, why am I having problems? I'm not even a US Company??... JB _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Visit Gold
In theory it all sounds good and well. However the clearances required to even get close to where bullion repositories are located are stringent. The extra clearances to get inside are even more stringent, at least so I am told. I am sure that Via-Mat or Brinks or whomever would simply open their doors to any Joe Schmoe who shows up on their doorstep and says: Hey, I have an acct at E_gold that has about 25 grams in it (or if it's an acct at GMoney then you would be saying; I have an acct at GM that has about 1/2 a gram in it) -- do you to terribly mind if I come in and browse around a bit because I want to make sure that you REALLY have my $255 worth of Gold in your Vault! I have a pretty good feeling you would get your rear-end booted about as far as 1/2 dozen heavily armed Guards could throw you. As far as I am concerned, if you don't trust the issuer than don't do business with them, period!! All this crap about audits and such is because of SR and OSpyrite (a description I coined BTW) -- Two companies that had NO experience in the Precious Metals business and had NO business running a metals backed system!! E-gold and GMoney require a minimum redemption of 400oz Bars -- take your 400 Oz's and tell them to ship you a Bar if you don't trust them. E-Bullion is even easier to trust as far as I am concerned, because they don't limit you to 400oz Bars and you can redeem as little as a KiloBar. IMHO if you have any questions about credibility then you should apply them to a Company that requires you to shell out over $120K to see the Gold!! Here again it all reduces to the fact that if you don't trust them don't buy or sell their product! Period. If you think you can do a better job at it then build your own GBC and have at it! After browsing all the whining about GBC's on this list over the last Year or so I would think it would be more appealing to stick needles in my eyeballs! JB _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Visit Gold
Wow, them thare are pretty big words Jimbo. I may have to go get one of them College boys to translate your last mail to me? Whooo Boy, you can shoot that mouth of yours as fast as an M-60 in Afganistan. The fact is that you get your *peebles off* (rocks would be much to generous a description) telling other people how their Companies should be managed. WTF are you to make demands on management of GBC's? Are you a major shareholder? Have you ever built one? Managed one? Sold one? etc.. Or are you simply content sitting on the fence pretending to be the wise old Owl of the GBC community? You didn't even know what a GBC was until you fumbled across the e-gold site (while in a drunken stupor) one night a couple of years ago. Whenever you are countered in any forum you reply with veiled insults and displays of your superior intellect!! The needles in the eye comment was referencing my opinion of being a superior experience than to have to read the constant whining and dribble on these forums.. As far as you having the honor on inserting the needles, I think not friend. I would roll you like a week old doughnut and then charge you $35 for removing my boot from your ass!! You shouldn't talk like a real Texan (when you're not) and let your mouth write checks your body (or will) can't Cash. You're a Houstonite remember? What'd you do there anyway? Make about $165K a year at Nasa designing defective *O-Ring*gaskets that fail and blow up Space Shuttles or something?? Or where you in quality control on the Hubbell Space Telescope project?? I forget?? Tell Ole' Danny Goldin I said Hello the next time you see Him, I haven't pow-wowed with Him since the Mid 90's. You and Turk are a lot alike, both of you always want to run around and stick your noses in others peoples business. If you spent as much time working on your own businesses as you do commenting on the management of others (like Turkie) then you would be a friggin' Billionaire by now. JB _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Anti-Tax Rally labeled Extremists'
I guess the next level of escalation will be classification as Terrorist's and shipment to re-education camps in NYC?? http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200211\CUL20021115b.html Anti-Tax Group Makes 'Final Warning' to Federal Government By Michael L. Betsch CNSNews.com Staff Writer November 15, 2002 Washington (CNSNews.com) - A cross-country anti-tax rally culminated in the nation's capital Thursday, with several hundred protestors warning all branches of the federal government to obey the Constitution, or else. The conservatives and Libertarians attending the rally said their protest should serve as a wake-up call to lawmakers, but the Anti-Defamation League regards the protest as an extremist threat. The tax protest movement is a right-wing extremist movement, said Mark Pitcavage, director of fact finding for the ADL. You're not talking about tax reformers here. You're talking about people who have incredible conspiracy theories about the government. The ADL considers those who organized and attended the anti-tax rally to be such a serious threat, that the ADL included the group on its monthly calendar of extremist events. Pitcavage said that the event's organizer - a group called We The People Congress - advocates an agenda that is so far out of the mainstream that the group has effectively disenfranchised itself from the rest of American society. These are people who do not think simply that taxes are too high or want tax reform, Pitcavage said. They have convinced themselves they do not have to pay taxes and that there's a major government conspiracy designed to cover-up that fact. Pitcavage also warned that the anti-tax movement is not confined to protest rallies. It's also a movement that has been linked strongly to violence; to attacks on IRS agents; to blowing up IRS offices, as well as many other crimes, he said. There's a great deal of criminal activity associated with the movement. 'Turn back time' A spokesman for We The People Congress dismissed the ADL's accusations as an incredible propaganda campaign. Mike Bodine said the sole purpose of the anti-tax rally (called Freedom Drive 2002) is to restore the Constitution to what it was in 1788. Frankly, I don't understand how trying to uphold and defend the Constitution of this nation can be construed to be an extremist event by anybody, Bodine said. Unfortunately, we do question government, he added. According to Bodine, his group has issued four petitions for redress of grievances to the federal government. Those petitions challenge the constitutional legitimacy and legality of the federal income tax; the Federal Reserve; the War Powers clause; and the USA Patriot Act. The first petition states that there is no legal authority for the federal government to enforce the federal income tax on average Americans. He said research conducted by We The People Congress includes the sworn testimony of IRS agents and CPAs who support the group's claim. The second petition accuses the federal government of auctioning off the U.S. Treasury to the highest bidding corporations, financiers and campaign contributors. We The People Congress has also demanded that Congress and the president adhere to the Constitution's War Powers clause in the imminent war against Iraq. Bodine said the Constitution mandates that Congress must pass a formal declaration of war before the U.S. can commit troops to battle. A resolution, such as that recently passed by Congress, is not enough, the group insists. The reason that they don't make a formal declaration of war anymore, and that we haven't since World War II, is that it's very, very politically difficult to do, Bodine said. But that's exactly why the Founding Fathers put it in there. It was supposed to be difficult to do. Bodine said his group's final petition condemns Congress for passing the USA Patriot Act, which he said, contains language that clearly violates the Constitution. According to Bodine, the law makes it legal for law enforcement officials to disregard the search and seizure clause contained in the Fourth Amendment. Armed and angry We're trying to give the government a warning, kind of like a final warning, said Rick Stanley, a Denver businessman and member of the Libertarian Party, who recently tried to unseat Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.). Last March, Stanley released a comprehensive list of demands, including repeal of all unconstitutional laws at all levels of government. In other words, they've been given the petition for redress of grievances many times, and the bottom line is we want them to obey the Constitution...or else, he said. Asked what or else means, Stanley was evasive, but he hinted at armed rebellion, mentioning a Million Gun March he is planning for July 4, 2003. We're coming [to Washington] to make sure that they [the government] comply with the Constitution and with our petition demands.
[e-gold-list] SpyCop
This stuff is supposed to detect keyloggers and hack-ware -- does anyone have any experience with this software or are their claims just B.S.?? Qualified opinions on whether it works please.. http://www.spy-software-planet.com/spycop.htm _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: warning, Free-market.net forum message contains suspect code
Posting a malicious link was certainly not my intent, I had several links included in the mail post you reference. If I had been aware that particular link was suspect then I certainly wouldn't have published it. However, the strange thing about this situation is that when I viewed the link from Within the FM.net pages there was NO malicious activity -- for some reason it seems that the link becomes a problem ONLY when you click through from OUTSIDE the FM.net web site. Therefore I was unaware that there was a potential problem, and I don't know enough about coding to even judge if the link IS a malicious URL or not? Maybe someone more educated about these thing's can check it out and comment. JMB From: Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] warning, Free-market.net forum message contains suspect code Dear Colonel Bosco, You posted this link: http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0204/messages/902759312.html _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] FreeMarket List
I occassionally check out the e-gold list at the Freemarket.net site, and I have noticed a couple of heated threads regarding fraud within the GBC community that may interest readers here. http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0204/messages/775089855.html http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0204/messages/317988673.html http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0204/messages/750998042.html http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0204/messages/902759312.html http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0204/messages/514198665.html _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Good Read..
A little off topic but a great article none the less... Lew Rockwell Site. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/khan2.html You have to view the images in the article for full effect of the points made! _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Good Read..
I disagree strongly and completely. You never point a loaded weapon at ANYTHING unless you intend on dropping the hammer on what you're pointing at! If these yahoo's were in the Military they would have been slapped silly until they sprung a few leaks for handling weapons in this manner. This is typical *in your face* - LEO - intimidation tactics, plus the fact that Cops are just about scared of anything that moves nowadays, they always have an itchy trigger finger to scratch. This is deplorable behavior, and it conveys just how ineffective and desperate the modern Civilian Law Enforcement community really is. By the way -- the cop finger you pointed out was a tactic initiated by the Military, not Police. JB _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Cash Cards Customer Service
Wow, those are pretty interesting comments coming from someone who resides in a Ultra-Socialistic/ Semi-Communist State such as Z.A. Heck, according to Z.A. Law citizens aren't even allowed to own Gold in the 1st place, so I guess GBC's are one of those gray areas (for now). The way things are going I would bet that Z.A. will be *Zimbabe-ized* in another year or so. Such a shame to see it happen too, but that will probably be good for a decent spike in spot prices when the Country falls apart and the Mines shut down, because the people that know how to run things will either flee or be killed by disease (and) or rioting. From: Fred Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Cash Cards Customer Service Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:22:05 -0400 Why would anyone want a card based in the USA? We E-gold people need our own smart-card system. I haven't found one card that I am happy with. They cost to much, have no real privicy _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Dismissed without Prejudice
Get serious.. If GM can't prove infringement NOW what the hell can they prove in another year, or two or three?? The system that IS E-Gold will not change in the next several quarters to SUDDENLY infringe upon GM and Turkie's Patent's -- it's all BS on GM's part to save face. GM sold a lot of big-wig backers on his patent issue and now that's all trashed! Kinda like the bully in the kiddie park who lost a fight -- Here's Turk: yeah, you kicked my ass this time, but next time I am coming back with friends and we'll get you THEN, so look out,, next time it's your turn,, yeah,, yeah,, you wait till then, you'll see!! Oh yeah, JPM I guess you better pucker UP Baby, and try to get back on E-Gold's good side after all the S**t you were talking (in favor of GM) back when the Patent-suit was launched. If I were Jackson, I would kick your 1MDC right out of the E-Gold system.. MB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Dismissed without Prejudice So, if GM can bring the suit again in the future it still isn't a dead issue. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Why would anyone need Pay Pal?
That more then rocks, sounds like suicide to me since ACH transfers can be reversed 90 to 180 days after they complete. Have fun, I am sure the crooks using E-Gold will catch up with you soon.. MB John Kyle wrote: We basically do this right now. We have customers who have told their employers to deposit a portion of their paycheck every pay cycle directly into our account via ACH. Then we later credit that person's e-gold account. That rocks. It doesn't get much easier than that! -- Patrick _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Bullion
I got an e-mail from their Admin earlier tonight that the Tech Dept is processing Database/ Security upgrades over the next several days and they are requiring acct holders to change passwords by either calling the office or by requesting a password reset Online. Check the e-mail address your acct is linked to, as this is where I received my notice. They also mentioned that if you are using a CryptoCard that the password update doesn't apply. Hope this helps. Bosco From: SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] E-Bullion Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:50:18 -0500 Can anyone else get into their E-Bullion account now? It would do my heart good to know that it's a system error. Craig _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Bullion
I can only pass on what I received in my e-mail, I have friends who have E-Bullion accts and they got the same mail as me. As far as why? - I don't know. But I actually have seen this happen before in the past with a Company I worked for, who did this same thing randomly and unannounced as a security measure. I also saw it happen another time when a Key Person on a project we were assigned was terminated. The move was Kind of like a crazy Ivan (Red October)-- during the cold war when Russian Submarines would suddenly zig-zag their course to see who was in their Sonar baffles. Bosco Everyone has to change their passwords? What, did all the passwords get stolen by a hacker? I don't see any other reason this would be necessary. - John _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Xchangers, fraud scams
Man, you're angry! which is likely justified, but there are Two points/ issues here and it's unclear if you lost your money at Standard Reserve or OSPyrite? 1) If you lost you money at OSpyrite then the only person you should be angry at is yourself! Don't Tar the legitimate GBC's with OSPyrites brush. OSPyrite has always been a joke -- unfortunately the joke is on the users! Frankly, the sooner they disappear the better the Industry will be.. 2) Standard Reserve is horse of another color entirely. There is supposedly fraud involved, lawsuits, the fact that E-Gold executives or E-Gold itself was a major owner of SR, etc.. Now, whether the SR problem was handled correctly is open to debate! Personally, I think E-gold Management mad a big mistake the way SR was handled. An executive decision should have been made to cover the losses at SR -- protect the acct holders -- and THEN try to recover the losses on an executive level or write off what couldn't be recovered. Of course the easiest way would have been to send a hit team to Elwyns crib and recover the funds one way or another, but the management at E-Gold doesn't have this kind of pull so lawyers will have to fill in. The reasoning for this is, the SR problem muddies the water for E-Gold -and makes people wonder (reasonable people) : if similar situations arose would they shut down e-gold too? To Protect E-Gold -- they should have stepped up and said: Yeah, the situation got out of control -- we bear some responsibility because we are major equity holders of SR -- and we will see that the accts are settled and We will take the hit here. IF that had been done, E-Gold would have come out of this smelling like roses!! As a matter of fact, a PR man couldn't have engineered a BETTER situation!! All the acct holders would have walked away satisfied, and E-Gold would have been elevated to a level beyond reproach because they stepped in and *did the right thing* and repaired damage that was caused by an affiliate, and EVERYONE would be singing the praises of how E-Gold is rock-solid and you don't every have to worry about your money there!! Before you knitpickers go bonkers,, I am referring to E-gold in the generic sense here and not concerned with the alphabet soup of companies that make up E-gold and SR. Joe Six pack doesn't care about the governance either -- he just knows that E-gold and SR are related at an executive level.. That's my 4cents worth. Bosco... _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] re: Xchangers, fraud scams
I would tend to agree with you on some points. Particularly the issue of guilt by association. E-gold shouldn't have allowed trash like OSpyrite to exchange their credits on an on-par basis. Allowing equal exchanges of a REAL GBC with worthless stuff (like OSpyrite) simply cheapens the GBC that actually goes to the trouble of buying real gold as reserves. At the very least they (E-Gold) should have discouraged the exchanges and even harassed OSpyrite itself by closing OSpyrites e-gold accounts and FORCING Ospyrite to supply credentials for their accts, and done whatever was needed to convince OSpyrite to close up shop and move somewhere else (like to GoldMoney they could sure use the business!). Hey, they did that with Costagold (and) do it with other HYIP's, WHY or didn't they do this with OSpyrite (which is a HYIP also)?? They fact that this wasn't done should raise some serious questions about the relations between the Two entities or questions about the competence of E-Gold's management? At the very least this lack of action shows the public that E-gold exec's DON'T really believe that THEIR product is superior to junk like OSpyrite. IF they had made some effort to do this (and prevent OR discourage ON PAR exchanges of OSpyrite) -- then at least they could now say I told you so -- we did what we could to distance and DIFFERENTIATE E-gold from OSpyrite, don't blame us. I notice that some other GBC's actually make an effort to distance themselves from operations like OSpyrite, E-gold hasn't, at least not publicly (where it counts). As far as the SR fiasco, IMO E-Gold also should have handled that differently (like my previous post) but they didn't. Are people unjustified to think that if E-Gold is incompetent to oversee SR what makes my E-gold safe?? I think not! This is exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about a few days ago regarding PROFESSIONALISM. IMHO -- I require that MY Issuer be experienced with WHAT they issue, and the only GBC on the market with experience in trading and handling precious metals (and I don't mean writing a News Letter about PM's either) is E-bullion. But that's just my opinion, however I sleep better at night with this rule in place. It all depends on how much risk YOU wish to assume when you make YOUR choice? Because of E-gold and OSpyrites incompetence, the ENTIRE Industry is suffering a black eye now and that's not good for business or good for acct holders. BOSCO... _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Professionals.
With all that is going on with the Standard Reserve and OSPyrite, it's nice to know that there are some Professionals involved with Issuers of GBC. I am not referencing the secondary market and exchange providers -- I mean from the issuer side of the table entirely. IMHO.. If I had a broken transmission in my car I wouldn't take it to be fixed by a painter, so it naturally extrapolates that your issuer should have experience with what they issue. These are some Press Release's I just noticed on the wire while browsing for metals news. FWIW... Yahoo Finance link: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020703/phw008_1.html Canada Finance link: http://finance.canada.com/bin/story?StoryId=Cpsj2WbWbueHxmda4Topic=PR_Newsw BOSCO.. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: [dgc.chat] RE: OSGold market ?!
Heh,,heh,, I was wondering how long it would take for people to PAY to get rid of their OS-PYRITE.. It's a friggin crime to call it OSGold so I nominate a NEW name -- OS-PYRITE... $6.00 of E-gold for $300 of OS-pyrite -- that's pretty funny. Oh, for those of you who don't know what pyrite is! http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/sulfides/pyrite/pyrite.htm Pyrite is the classic Fool's Gold. There are other shiny brassy yellow minerals, but pyrite is by far the most common and the most often mistaken for gold. Whether it is the golden look or something else, pyrite is a favorite among rock collectors. It can have a beautiful luster and interesting crystals. It is so common in the earth's crust that it is found in almost every possible environment, hence it has a vast number of forms and varieties. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: [dgc.chat] RE: OSGold market ?! Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:34:24 -0500 Christian, I will give you 50:1 on it = $6.00 in e-gold for your $300 worth of OSGold.. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: OSgold and market makers
I would say that not only would your reputation be in question but, in todays litigious world I would bet it's only a matter of time before you end up in a lawsuit. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if someone hasn't already thought about suing an exchange provider for not fulfilling an outexchange. Accepting a redemption without fulfilling it could possibly be viewed as negligence (regardless of OSPyrite's condition because the order WAS ACCEPTED). It may not be right -- but that's the way things and Courts are today.. BOSCO. From: Ragnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] OSgold and market makers Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Friends, If you are a market maker (exchange provider) that holds OSgold currency, and if a client comes to you today who wants to purchase OSgold, and you sell him the currency without notifying the client of the current situation, your reputation will be harmed. Count on it. Regards, Ragnar _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: This is a must read for all of us.
see below. From: Crowne Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco, How do you explain the movements in the market today then? Gold down DJIA saved by some unforseen miracle dollar up? The explanation is simple: It's called trading. The facts are: there is MORE money in equities and bonds than there is in PM's -- therefore Traders and Brokers will do whatever is needed to try and preserve the status quo. If that requires flipping PM's and using that money to prop up the DOW so be it. It isn't going to work,, it just prolongs the agony --- but if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, and quit whining about *manipulation*. When you have MORE money in the markets THEN THEY DO -- then you can manipulate markets too.. Until then the best thing to do is to THANK them for allowing you to buy metals at firesale prices. *The trend is your friend* If this is not manipulation I'll be. So What!!! ALL markets are manipulated by whomever has the most money at risk.. That my friend is a SAD BUT TRUE FACT of life. You're just pissed because you aren't the one doing the manipulation. Granted I do not believe in all of everything. I disagree, I think you do believe everything that's written on the Internet. The thrust of the item was to make sure you have physical possesion of your investments. No, the thrust was, you trying to scare people into buying Crowne Gold -- specifically, you saying that Crowne Gold was Safer then physical possession. Is there a problem with that? IMHO -- I think so. Because of these FEAR Mongers, the avg Joe Six pack doesn't know what to believe and takes the tact that *since the sky is falling and the end is near* what the hell do I need Gold for? I can't eat it -- and it ain't going to help me when I burn to a crisp in a Nuclear Holocaust, and IF I DO buy some,, Uncle Sam is simply going to confiscate it. All this *scare em up* bullshit is hurting gold sales more them helping them!! Hocus Pocus my ass, do you think the 1000 people arrested for alleged something or another since 9-11 believe in Big brother? Personally, I don't have 1st hand knowledge of this so all I could do is speculate (which is what you do freely), and I really don't believe much of what the Media publishes. There is ALWAYS another side to the *official* party-line. If you're so scared of Big Brother, why would you choose to live here? If I was as concerned as you I would pack up and move OR campaign for change. BOSCO... _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: This is a must read for all of us.
again... From: Gimme Shelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] This was a requested piece from ancient times, that was asked to be brought forth again. Ancient Times??? 1995 whoa... Who asked that *IT* be brought forth again? All of us understood the initial article to be for this. I think you presume to much. So what you're trying to say is that there must be something wrong with little ole' Me because everyone else understood. At the time of the article and prediction, those of us on the inside of the initial conversation were merely relating to the task that was being Oh,, sorry I didn't know that this article was some thesis being discussed by members of a Secret Society with inside information. Sorry for transgressing O' Grand Poobah.. By the way did you get to the point of what your certificates were doing? I don't own Certs -- and I sure wouldn't trust my Gold to someone that doesn't even understand the basics of market movements, bear/ bull markets and how they evolve, or someone who forms their opinions (of where the metals markets are going) by using the kind of worthless drivel that was posted yesterday! BOSCO... _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: strange ..
I don't know about Goldfinger -- but from their website it looks as if this Company accepts E-Bullion AND E-gold for Gold Coins. http://www.thebullionexchange.com/ BOSCO... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] strange .. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:31:40 -0500 there must be someone who accepts e-gold (or any DGC) for purchase of bullion coins? Goldfinger .. no ?? Just curious .. JP _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: This is a must read for all of us.
Man, do you really believe all this hocus-pocus B.S.?? The article says the meltdown was scheduled for 1996 -- it's now 2002,, reminds me of the Y2K ridiculous-ness. The real *mark of the beast* is these people who are fear mongers, and see a secret G-Man hiding behind every Tree.. You give the FRsrve and the Big-Govt way to much credit,, they are nowhere close to being the all-seeing Nemisis these *chicken-littles* are always clucking about. Bosco From: Gimme Shelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] This is a must read for all of us. Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:50:39 -0400 http://www.constitution.org/abus/safan024.txt --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: This is a must read for all of us.
Whoops,, so much for the *best kept secret in America* (as described in your article). The DTC srewed up big time and forgot to hide their Web Site!!! QUICK check it out before Alan Greenspan finds out about this e-mail and orders the site closed... http://www.dtcc.com/index.htm BTW: here's a Top Secret list of DTCC's Board of Directors... BOARD OF DIRECTORS DTCCs Board is made up of 21 directors who also serve as directors of the companys operating subsidiaries. Seventeen are from participants including international broker-dealers, correspondent and clearing banks, mutual fund companies and investment banks. Two directors are designated by DTCCs preferred shareholders: NASD and the New York Stock Exchange. The remaining two are the chairman and chief operating officer of DTCC itself. Individuals are nominated for election as directors based on their ability to represent participants of each of DTCCs operating subsidiaries, and Board committees are specifically structured to help achieve this objective. The list includes: Bradley Abelow Managing Director Goldman Sachs Michael C. Bodson Managing Director Morgan Stanley Jonathan E. Beyman Chief Information Officer Lehman Brothers Frank J. Bisignano Chief Administrative Officer and Senior Executive Vice President Citigroup / Solomon Smith Barney's Corporate Investment Bank Stephen P. Casper Managing Director and Chief Operating Officer Fischer Francis Trees Watts, Inc. Jill M. Considine Chairman, President Chief Executive Officer The Depository Trust Clearing Corporation (DTCC) Dennis J. Dirks Chief Operating Officer The Depository Trust Clearing Corporation (DTCC) Mary M. Fenoglio Executive Vice President State Street Corporation George Hrabovsky President Alliance Global Investors Service Ronald J. Kessler Vice Chairman A.G. Edwards Sons, Inc. Catherine Kinney President, Co-Chief Operating Officer and Executive Vice Chairman New York Stock Exchange Peter B. Madoff Senior Managing Director Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities James H. Messenger Chief Executive Officer National Financial Services LLC Eileen K. Murray Managing Director and Global Head of Technology and Operations Credit Suisse First Boston Thomas J. Perna Senior Executive Vice President Financial Companies Services Sector of The Bank of New York Ronald Purpora Chief Executive Officer Garban LLC Peter Quick President American Stock Exchange (Amex) Robert H. Silver Executive Vice President and President of PaineWebber Services UBS PaineWebber Inc. Thompson M. Swayne Executive Vice President JPMorgan Chase Arthur L. Thomas Senior Vice President, Chairman Merrill Lynch Securities Services Division James W. Zeigon Managing Director Deutsche Bank AG BOSCO... From: Gimme Shelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] This is a must read for all of us. Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:50:39 -0400 http://www.constitution.org/abus/safan024.txt _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] List Confusion
Man,, you've been dogging e-gold (for days now) over their specifics, but
then you answer a question about 1mdc's accounting practices like this
mish-mash answer below!!
If you're so unhappy with e-gold why don't you back 1mdc with Gold Money so
we don't have to read 500 e-mails making mountains of mole-hills.
quote:
You yourself said that both the E-Gold Trust and 1mdc should disclose
their balance sheets, so as to conform with solid business practice.
note really man! ...
(2) with the caveat that 1m, like goldMoney, operates in a no, we
DON'T tell you how much is in circulation mode.
You also said I can simply ask (almost) anything I want to know about the
1mdc operation.
OK, I want to know these numbers:
Assets of 1mdc = ?
Well, really just the value of the software. Now, ISL sells the
DGCPak for about 100 grand, so you could put an accounting value on
all of 1mdc's assets of about 100 grand.
Depending on what sort of accounting practices you're into, you could
argue that the brand has a fairly high value.
Liabilities of 1mdc = ?
It has none. The only expense I can think of is hosting, it is paid
~3.5 months ahead of time currently. There'll be another liability
when the next bill arrives.
Conceivably, 1mdc owes ISL for the programming. ie, since ISL wholly
owns 1mdc, ISL could make that a liability by fiat any time (say, in
advance of a sale, you know?) But that's just mumbo jumbo :)
Just as a curisoity, generaly speaking you would never, ever want a
DGC to be in the red' [that's purely my business opinion], so 1mdc
will never have any debts [while I'm at the helm]
note --- [1]
Equity of 1mdc = ?
0.00 {1mdc has a 1mdcGrams account in which profits, etc, might
accrue, but it's balance is 0.00!}
It does have a small (trivial) 1mdcGrams slush account to allow for
the fact that e-gold continually withdraws storage fees and 1mdcGrams
pays 1mdcGrams users a matching bonus to use 1mdcGrams - but I can't
tell you the exact size of that as it would hint at the overall
circulation of 1mdcGrams! :)
I predict that you will not tell us any single one of these numbers, and
you
certainly won't give us a full balance sheet.
Just state anything else you want to know in more detail (examples
.. how much the web site design cost, or whatever -- i can't think of
an example, but anything you want to know .. type it out)
[1] PS, I think what you're trying to get at in the above is data in
relation to the e-gold in the 1mdcGrams system of which 1mdc is the
caretaker for 1mdcGrams users. (We no more consider that a 1mdc
asset than a mini-storage company consders the sofas, etc, in the
sheds to be assets of the mini-storage company.)** As it says
endlessly on the web site (and even if it didn't) Very simply,
instead of leaving your e-gold in your own e-gold account, you move
it to 1mdc's mass e-gold account where all 1mdc users hold their
e-gold grams. and Don't forget, 1mdc-grams are simply e-gold moved
to a collective e-gold account, and with a simple double-entry
bookkeeping system on top: etc etc!
** PPS I'm an Ian Griggist -(Hello Ian!!) the IDEAL situation
would be if 1mdc Ltd didn't even KNOW much about the 1mdcGrams in
ciculation; for example, 1mdcLtd may not even know the totals, etc.
also, it would ALL BE xml!
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[e-gold-list] Nevermind!
If you're so unhappy with e-gold why don't you back 1mdc with Gold Money so we don't have to read 500 e-mails making mountains of mole-hills. Sorry, I forgot --- the answer to this one is that you would need more than Half a Dozen regular users/ customers to make 1MDC work, and using GMoney would make that prohibitive. I don't think 1MDC could survive with just JPM, Clifford, Claude, James Jeffrey Charles E. as the client base. Nevermind, no response needed. My apologies. Bosco _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Horse still dead but shows signs of recovery
SEE BELOW -- CAPITAL LETTERS ARE USED TO ALLOW EASY DISTINCTION (ONLY). From: C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Basically Ken is saying that you must be able to point to a distinct piece of something and say that's mine. If you can't pick it up and carry it away with you, you can't own it. (When I put it that way it sounds kind of absurd, doesn't it?) THIS ISN'T ABSURD AT ALL, IT'S EXCEPTED FACT. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY DOLLARS HAVE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THEM? WHY DO BULLION BARS HAVE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THEM? WHY ARE SERIAL NUMBERS REGISTERED? ANYTHING THAT HAS A SERIAL NUMBER -- ANYTHING -- HAS THAT SERIAL NUMBER TO ALLOW THE OWNER TO PROVE OWNERSHIP.. PERIOD.. I.E. YOU HAVE A VAULT WITH A BUNCH OF BARS OR DOLLARS IN STORAGE,, AND LET'S SAY 1/2 ARE DISCOVERED AS FAKES, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE WHO THE REAL BARS OR DOLLARS BELONG TO?? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROPERLY ALLOCATE AND SEGREGATE STORAGE WITHOUT IDENTIFYING WHOSE BARS BELONG TO WHOM? YOU REALLY ARE WAY OUT OF LINE ON THIS ONE -- I WOULDN'T TRUST SOMEONE WITH YOUR OPINION TO SAFEGUARD ONE GRAM OF MY GOLD. WITH YOUR LINE OF REASONING ALL I HAVE TO DO IS SAY YOUR BARS ARE MY BARS AND VICE VERSA. YOUR BARS ARE THE FAKE ONES AND MY BARS ARE THE REAL ONES. ETC Well if this is what he thinks... he is wrong. At least in the law of many if not most countries, undivided property is a known concept printed in the law books and totally accepted as a form of ownership. HERE YOU GO AGAIN -- WITH YOUR OPINION ON APPLICABLE CANADIAN REAL ESTATE LAW.. HEY,, PLEASE LET ME KNOW JUST EXACTLY WHEN DID GMN MOVE THIS LAWSUIT TO A CANADIAN REAL ESTATE MAGISTRATE? LAST TIME I LOOKED USA PATENT LAW APPLIES. I'm sorry, Claude and Patrick, but CLEAR TITLE requires 100% ownership THAT'S CORRECT -- WITHOUT PROOF OF CLEAR TITLE (100% OWNERSHIP) YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT A CLAIM AGAINST AN ASSET. BTW: How (what) is GMN going to pay E-Gold's legal fees with when they get a judgement against them after the suit is lost? Acct holders gold maybe?? That would worry me alot. BOSCO.. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Horse still dead but responds well to IV drip
You are referencing Joint_Property (bad example).. If your wife AND you have a $100 bill in your safe you BOTH have claim to the asset -- you have claim to $50 and she to $50.. Now, you could change the $100 bill for Two $50's and settle the matter --- OR you could cut the bill in 1/2 and each possess One half of the bill. Now,, you might say that would be stupid, however, since the bill has SERIAL NUMBERS the two halves could be taped together at a later date and still be cashed at a bank for 100 -- one dollar bills. IF THE TWO HALVES did not have MATCHING SERIAL NUMBERS then they would be worthless. LET'S TURN THIS EXAMPLE AROUND A BIT -- let's use the same dollar in your safe as the subject. Now,, let's say you neighbor breaks into YOUR safe and steals that $100 bill?? You file a report and the Police happen to catch your neighbor with a whole bunch of $100 bills. Now,, how are you going to prove WHICH $100 BILL (IF ANY) confiscated by the Police belongs to you?? Well,, if you were smart enough to RECORD THE SERIAL NUMBER TO THE BILL (that was in your possession) then it becomes a simple matter of matching your bill number to the bills which are held by the Police. WITHOUT the serial number you can't prove that YOU OWN THAT $100 BILL... On to other examples... Your shares of Microsoft,, guess what? Corporate Shares have SERIAL NUMBERS. When you bought your shares of Microsoft, UNLESS YOU SPECIFIED PHYSICAL DELIVERY OF YOUR SHARES FROM YOUR STOCK BROKER, YOU ACTUALLY OWN A CLAIM TO A POOL OF MICROSOFT SHARES THAT YOUR BROKER OWNS AND CREDITS TO YOUR BROKERAGE ACCT. You may THINK you own the actual shares --- but unless you have them delivered and REGISTERED to you,, then you only own a CLAIM to MSFT shares in the possession of (and owned by)your broker. QUOTE: Even a grid system does not help you here. Once the bad grams diffuse through the system, you aren't going to track down the entire chain of events and subtract from each affected account. ENDQUOTE Now you are finally seeing the light. You are EXACTLY RIGHT The system DOES NOT EXIST, HASN'T BEEN BUILT, AND ISN'T IN PLACE, that complies with the GM patent. Have you read the patent (I Have)? Patent's are very specific,, and frankly, the system(s)that the Patent(s) describe(s) DOES (DO) NOT EXIST AT THIS TIME IN SPACE PERIOD... QUOTE: That's a damn good question. If you catch the fake and you know who bailed in the bar, you can zero out his account if he still has enough grams in the account. If he has already spent the grams to other people, then those grams he spent are tainted. They get passed around through the system very quickly, and there's no way you can go in and nullify those specific grams of lead in the exact accounts. ENDQUOTE Now this is interesting Are you saying that there is RISK IN THE GMN SYSTEM??? Because according to the Patent (and) the ONLY REASON MR. TURK WAS GRANTED A PATENT,, was because He invented a new way to eliminate the risk of payment systems. However, if the system that is described in the Patents EXISTED,, then you could actually easily track down the offending Fake gold -- it would be no different then culling counterfeit dollar bills from the vaults of the FedResrv. So obviously, again on another point, the GMN does not even comply with their own Patent. BOSCO _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Horse still dead but responds well to IV drip
You're missing the point. completely You are comparing apples to oranges here with this ridiculous *water* example. You are comparing unallocated and unsegregated storage to allocated and segregated storage!!! Your water example is UNALLOCATED AND UNSEGREGATED water - you have claim to water COMINGLED WITH WATER OWNED BY OTHERS. If your water bank was segregated and allocated then YOUR WATER would be held seperately from WATER OWNED BY OTHERS. It is physically, and technically possible to allocate AND segregate the water -- however it is not economical to do so at this time because water is plentiful in most places. In the future though, it is possible that water storage will be allocated and segregated should H2O become as rare as Gold. This water rights example doesn't apply.. It doesn't apply to the issue of the Patent and Patent infringement. However it is a another pretty good example of how GMN doesn't comply with the Patent --- as your GGrams are NOT ALLOCATED AND SEGREGATED AND TITLED to the owner of the GG's (as specified in the Patent). They are comingled with GG's owned by others within the GMN network - just like your 1000 liters of water. BOSCO From: Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kenneth C. Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The water bank owes you 1,000 liters. But you don't own the water in the tank. You do own the 1,000 liters. That is why the water bank owes it to you. If you didn't own it, they wouldn't owe it to you. Why would they owe you something you don't own? -- Patrick _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Horse still dead but responds well to IV drip
My broker does not know that I own three specific shares #12038375, #87289738, and #22703611. He only knows that I own three shares. Wrong. UNLESS you have the shares physically delivered to you, he knows that YOU OWN a claim to three shares which are in the name of the brokerage house. You own three shares out of a pool of MSFT shares in the brokers name and in possession of the broker. If you ordered physical delivery of the shares, then the Broker WOULD register those shares to you and deliver them out of their pool holdings. But if you want a grid system, here's one. I never said that *I* wanted a grid system. Every day at midnight, the GoldMoney system devises a random mapping of each physical gold gram (as a cube) to a specific account number, proportional to account balance. The mapping is determined by sampling the random noise at http://random.org. There is not enough info here to comment on,, Randon sampling is used for many things. There's your grid system. It works because each gold gram is equivalent. That's your opinion -- I haven't seen the details and the web site you referenced is not a GMN site. It would be interesting to see when this supposed system was put in place? After they filed a lawsuit -- or was it built into the code originally? Now I did read the patent a long time ago, and I don't remember the part about individually numbering the gold grams. Would you be so kind as to direct me to the relevant section? I never said the Patent specified this. The serial # example was my way of making a point. BOSCO _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Dell and Oracle?????
Your point was that GoldMoney would have to implement some kind of serial numbering system in order to have a patent claim. They don't. The GoldMoney system in its current form conforms to Patent #5,671,364. That wasn't what I implied -- it was a expression example to make a point regarding the Patent issue. However, something simliar to this would be required to meet the Patent specs. Re-read the Patents again as you have mis-interpreted the contents. And we obviously disagree, so when the lawsuit is shredded in a US Court, we can all meet here again and discuss it further. Now on another issue. What's with the Dell and Oracle logos on the GMN (formerly named: partners page) safety page?? Is that supposed to imply that Dell and Oracle are partners/ affiliated with GMN?? If not,, and they are simply acknowledging that they (GMN) use Oracle software and Dell computers -- then WHY put the links NEXT TO links for their associations (like ViaMat)? http://goldmoney.com/safety/security.html Man,, that's pretty chezzy even by GM standards... BOSCO.. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] re: New Report
This ground was already covered throughly last Feburary, for a full explanation see this article. http://www.goldeconomy.com/article.php?sid=169 This article will take a closer look at some of the claims made by GoldMoney and ask some hard questions. The question has been raised whether the term backed should be used in reference to digital gold currencies. There is some controversy surrounding this issue. James Turk, the founder of GoldMoney says, I don't want to sound pedantic on this point, but I think it is important to note that GoldMoney is not a Gold Backed Currency (GBC). GoldGrams are not backed by gold; rather, they are gold. GBC's are a thing of the past, and a throwback to fractional reserve banking. As the inventor of digital gold currency, we believe that to be correct on this point GoldMoney should be called a Digital Gold Currency. There is a problem with this assertion, however. When I spend 1.0 GoldGrams to another person, a physical gram of gold does not pass through the wires of the Internet. For that matter, a physical 1 gram piece of gold does not exist in the ViaMat vault where GoldMoney stores gold for its account holders. When I make a 1.0 GoldGram spend there is an instruction sent over the wire to transfer my claim on 1 gram of gold in the GoldMoney system (presumably part of an 11 kg bar) to another holding. This is important to think about because the GoldMoney patent that was granted to James Turk by the US Patent Office says that Mr. Turk created a new invention because digital gold extinguishes payment obligation instantly, thereby eliminating payment risk. The basis of this claim is that the GoldMoney account holder directly owns the gold in the vault. Can this be possible? There is a significant difference between a claim and a title. A title is a legal instrument giving ownership of a specific asset. You can obtain the title for a particular 1996 Nissan Sentra. The title has a serial number identifying the particular vehicle. Likewise, with land, a non-movable asset, a real estate title is a claim to a specific piece of land defined by meets and bounds. You cannot get a title to a Nissan Sentra or a title to an acre of land. Title requires a specific tangible asset be identified with a specific owner. A claim can be functionally similar to a title, but it does not attach to a specific asset, because a claim is a liability against a person or organization. A bank deposit receipt can be considered a claim on the money you just put in the bank, but it doesnt identify which particular dollar bills you own, because the bank owns the dollar bills, and you have a claim against the bank. The bank can give you any dollar bills from its pile to redeem your claim. Likewise, a car dealership could issue a lottery in which they give away a new corvette. The person with the winning ticket can present it as a claim against the dealership for one corvette, the winning ticket is not a title to the 2001 Red Corvette in the showroom. Not until they fulfill his claim by giving him a corvette does the winner obtain title to a particular corvette that he now owns. The reason that the distinction between claim and title is important in the case of GoldMoney is that the company claims to eliminate currency risk by making the GoldGram holder the actual owner of the gold in the vault with no intermediaries. However, as we will show below, this is impossible with the present GoldMoney infrastructure. The GoldMoney patent for gold as a digital currency defines a deposit currency as the liability of the banks that accept deposits of a countrys national currency. The patent then goes on to claim that a GoldMoney transaction eliminates payment risk because once the transfer has been made the gold asset itself extinguishes any debt liability and the payee now holds an asset instead of a promise to pay. A one-dollar bill is a promise to pay that is a liability to the bank, but a one ounce gold coin in your pocket is an asset. In effect, GoldMoney is claiming that GoldGrams are the same thing as a physical gold coin in your pocket, but safer. However, it is the contention of this writer that the GoldMoney system functions in a manner identical to deposit currency the only difference being that the system uses gold by mass instead of national currency to denominate its account liabilities. Whether or not the liabilities are backed by 100% tangible assets or fractional reserve has no bearing on the nature of the invention itself, because the reserves backing the claims against the institution are governed by the policy of the issuing institution, not an invention. ViaMat, like all bullion storage vaults, has an inventory list of every bullion bar in its vault with a serial number, exact weight, fineness, and owner for that bar. The bars vary in exact weight and fineness making one different and
[e-gold-list] Hackers out-hacked
Interesting article (since some posters are discussing credit card theft and password issues lately ). I am glad I have my gold protected with an E-Bullion CRYPTOCard! -- https://www.e-bullion.com/news_detail.php?id=45 News Story Link: http://rense.com/general25/outhack.htm Full Story Feds Out-Hack Russian Hackers CBS News 5-16-2 SEATTLE (CBS) - Even for the FBI, it was an audacious sting, reports CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andrews. With the help of some new computer spying software, FBI agents were able to out-hack a pair of Russian hackers who had stolen thousands of credit card numbers and broken into Web sites like Pay Pal, the leading online bill payer, and online auctioneer eBay. The challenge, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Floyd Short, was that the suspects, Alexei Ivanov and Vasily Gorshkov, were Russians. And their server where Short says they kept thousands of stolen credit card numbers was also in Russia. The game -- which was successful -- was for authorities in Seattle, Wash. to steal the passwords and codes to the Russians' server in Russia. Gorshkov went on the Internet, said Floyd. We obtained the name of the server in Russia, his user name and his password. It was critical to the case.'' How exactly did the FBI record an encrypted password and codes? With a $100 piece of software invented by Richard Eaton of Kinnewick, Wash. Eaton's program, WinWhatWhere Investigator, has revolutionized computer snooping with what's called keystroke logging. The software secretly records everything a user types, coded or not, and sends a report to a third party who is spying on the user. The Russians just sat down and entered their passwords. It couldn't have been any better than that, said Eaton. The principle, I think, is a very dangerous one, said Gorshkov's lawyer John Lundin. What the FBI did, Lundin said, should make Americans afraid. Using the keystroke logging program, agents lifted the Russians passwords, and used them to enter the main server in Russia and copy files. Only then did the agents get a search warrant to read what they downloaded. They consciously bypassed that legal requirement and used an intercepted password to unlock a safe to get into and access private papers, said Lundin, comparing the Russians' server in Chelyabinsk to a locked safe. The problem, I think, is a misuse of information obtained from the keystroke technology. Lundin lost his attempt to have the stolen evidence kicked out of court. Prosecutors were able to fend off the privacy challenge by pointing out how precisely the FBI lured the Russians into the trap. The FBI set up a bogus computer security company named Invita in downtown Seattle and let it be known they needed hackers as consultants on computer security. In an elaborate scheme, FBI agents posing as Invita employees made phone and e-mail contact with Gorshkov and Ivanov, and offered them consulting work as Internet security experts. While demonstrating their hacker skills, the Russians also took time out to use an Internet connection to tap into their server in Russia. What they didn't realize was that the keystroke logging program was copying everything. FBI agents used those passwords to tap into the Russian server and copy what was there. Gorshkov was convicted on Oct. 10, 2001 of 20 counts of fraud and computer crimes. Ivanov, who has other charges against him in Connecticut and California, is still awaiting trial. Legal experts stress that the Russian case is an exception, that even now as keystroke spying grows more pervasive, the FBI still needs a warrant to raid a private computer. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
