[e-gold-list] e-gold Server Down
How long do you anticipate that the e-gold servers will be down? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold for stocks
So when tallying up the money supply, I would not count both a gold coin in a vault AND a paper note redeemable for that coin. That's the difference between M1 and M2 isn't it? Both terms are relevent to an economist. Sincerely, Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold for stocks
So when tallying up the money supply, I would not count both a gold coin in a vault AND a paper note redeemable for that coin. That's the difference between M1 and M2 isn't it? I don't see the analogy with warehouse receipts. M1 itself is a mish-mash created by printing presses and fractional reserve lending; M2 is an additional mish-mash involving short-term money market investments of the aforementioned mish-mash. [...] Please explain. I wasn't making such a detailed observation. I am simply pointing out that there are several definitions for 'money', each of which has use. If gold were widely used as money, would you ever have a reason to include all the gold in all the vaults as part of the money supply? Sure you would, if you were trying to get a measure of the overall size of the money supply and subsequently its growth from year to year. Likewise, would you ever have a reason to include only notes redeemable for the gold? Again, the answer is 'yes', if you were trying to find total money in circulation, since the notes circulate as money, too. I seem it as similar to the difference between M1 and M2. M1 is the total amount of cash circulating in society and M2 includes other types of liquid assets like checking account balances, which are directly convertable to cash. Monitoring the size and growth of each are valuable to economists. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
A colleague of mine read the TC around 6 months ago, when we though of providing this service to our clients and haven't found any cautions against this kind of service. When PayPal seized my money, they had a 'Guarantee that All PayPal Payments are Good'. Did anyone actually try to cut a deal with PayPal, explaining the kind of business you were trying to do? Yes, but the problem is that PayPal allows fraudulent money into their system by giving their buying customers access to credit cards. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of thieves which have access to stolen credit cards. These people will use stolen credit cards to buy gold. Then, when the paying customer discovers this, they will cancel their credit card, leaving PayPal with a fraudulent transaction, who will try to recover the money from where it was spent. This would be the exchange service. What makes this business model impossible to use is that it becomes very popular. You will literally have thousands of dollars in your PayPal account, everyday, if you do this. You won't be able to stop PayPal from locking your account, locking the accounts of several of your customers, and telling the rest of your customers that you are being investigated for fraud. Then, they'll try to reverse the money in your bank account to cover their loss. Don't be fooled into thinking that you'll only take money from people who pay with cash, because you can't really know the source of the PayPal money. This business model is a walking stick of dynamite, and the best advice I can offer is to stay away from it. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
You will need to insist on an ISP mail address and even then you have no protection against thievery from PayPal itself. Millions of people never have a problem with PayPal, tens of thousand get ripped off by PayPal themselves. There seems to be no pattern though about who they steal from and whom they don't. I don't agree with this. While it is true that millions of people never have a problem with PayPal, everyone that offers a direct exchange with another currency DOES have a problem. Thieves want to funnel money into their offshore bank accounts. They don't want to buy Stuffed Animals on eBay. So, if you're selling stuffed animals -- you're good. If you selling gold, you're a target. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
We are opening a new service allowing users to buy e-gold using their PayPal funds with fees lower than 10% (from 8 to 10% depending the amount transfered). For more informations, please write to @netcourrier.com Unless something's changed, this will be the course of events: 1) Within a few weeks you'll be making thousands of dollars a day. 2) Then, on a Monday, with 4 days of sales in your PayPal account, (maybe as much as $20,000), PayPal will lock your account and hold your money for 6 months to a year. 3) Afterwhich they may, or may not, give you back some of it. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold itself
Redemption should mean I think that should says it all! In the case of E-gold redemption = exchange because the value is the same in both cases (of course, I have no proof that the gold really covers 100% of the egold). I don't agree with this. Redemption is the process of removing gold from the e-gold system. Anything else is a third-party exchange. The redemption process is essential to the function of a system like e-gold. Without the ability to remove gold from the system, all confidence in the system would be lost, and no exchanges would be possible. Sincerely, Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Google
I haven't been reading this list for about a week, but have you guys noticed that if you go to Google, and type in 'gold', then click 'I'm feeling Lucky', instead of 'Google Search', that the E-Gold site comes up? How does that work? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Serious Vulnerability in Microsoft Windows OS
I don't know if this has been seen, but it would bode well for various account users to read this. 20030716 (Wednesday) The Last Stage of Delirium Research Group has discovered a critical security vulnerability in all recent versions of Microsoft operating systems. The vulnerability affects default installations of Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Windows XP as well as Windows 2003 Server. The LSD Research Group was able to create proof of concept codes for this issue, which allowed for remote attack resulting in execution of any commands on vulnerable Windows systems with SYSTEM privileges (the highest level of access in Windows). The vulnerability is also exploitable in the case of Windows 2003 Server, regardless of the buffer overflow prevention mechanism it has been equipped with. http://lsd-pl.net/news.html Here's the patch: http://microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bull etin/MS03-026.asp Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: VirtualGold link
Like Marco Patrick in EU, GoldNow has decided to trade in VirtualGold. Anybody ever ask why they call it 'Virtual' Gold? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Data on gold system usage
Inspired by the indubitable SnowDog, DGCWorld has prepared a simple one page report using Google.com search results to indicate the possible usage of 4 popular gold currencies for goods and services: http://www.dgcworld.com/googling.pdf See how far behind I am on my email? This is excellent!! Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Regarding crooks!!! Very Interesting! I think :)
And all because the old couple lives in a country with foreign exchange controls and can't legally deal in e-gold and hence decided to use a bogus address for their domain registration... So they broke the law... I was almost feeling sorry for them. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Gold Bulls' Big Gamble (Forbes.com)
Yes, the Dallas Fed has on their site some preposterous ideas about imposing negative interest rates on the economy. But, the reality is that most of these are very impractical and even the Dallas Fed says these arrows aren't very straight. Who knows where they might fly. Jim, do you have a link to these ideas from the Dallas Fed. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!
GoldNow IS a HYIP, in the truest sense. High Yield Investment *Project*... for ME my family! It's a legitimate, honest, hard working, customer serving business... otherwise KNOWN as a High Yield Investment *Project*! (Well, that's at least the goal, anyways!) GoldNow is not an HYIP in the usage that is prevalent. HYIPs take money from later investors to pay returns to earlier investors, (though they may not say it). I believe that we, as an industry, need to rid ourselves the best that we can, of scams and businesses which carry bad reputations. One of the first steps is to establish criteria and terms for those businesses we consider improper. If we believe that HYIPs are unethical and improper businesses with which to align ourselves, then the words we use to describe these types of businesses should be clear and unambiguous. An HYIP is a pyramid scheme. GoldNow is not a pyramid scheme. Confusing such a term with a legitimate business hinders us in our attempts to fight such scams. Sincerely,. Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Jim (of cambist fame) and I were discussing the idea about a year ago and at the time my main concerns were to find a small enough government that I could convince to let me write their Securities and Exchange act for them. And so we begin, yet again, the slow ride to tyranny... [No nation needs a 'Securities and Exchange act'.] Strong laws against fraud are all that's necessary. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Maybe the nation of Sealand has a comment on this subject? I'm still just pleased that this event has finally happened, because of problems with the NYSE-style markets which make many sensible investors shy away from stocks. Problems with the NYSE-style markets?? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Of course TGC is honorable and all, but how about the next company that lists? CyberFrontier U2Networks may be a viable applicant, GoldNow another. What if Privacity wants to list? No rules means everyone gets a go - or is there an undemocratic, tyrannical system in which the proprietors of DBourse get to pick and choose as they feel like? Capitalism and Freedom are derived from a legal and ethical system which are derived from the principle of Individual Rights. As private property, the propietors of DBourse get to pick and choose at their own discretion, and must abide by whatever contracts they have with other people. You can't just 'pick and choose' which laws you put into place to control this. To do so would simply be arbitrary. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Capitalism and Freedom are derived from a legal and ethical system which are derived from the principle of Individual Rights. As private property, the propietors of DBourse get to pick and choose at their own discretion, and must abide by whatever contracts they have with other people. Absolutely! But then they aren't a bourse. A bourse is: An exchange, or public place where merchants, traders, etc., meet for business. No, it's a private company, perhaps open to the public, but only at its discretion. If the operators get to pick who trades and who is traded with no rules, then it's a private gambling den ;) But if a private company is not allowed to make its own rules, and try to attract people to use its services voluntarily, then why should an outside party be allowed to write a 'Securities and Exchange Act', and require such a private company to follow the act by force? Force vs Voluntary Cooperation? That's really the choice, isn't it? Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Nothing wrong with that at all. Untill three HYIP crooks who read this list put their heads together, that is. Then it's still free market and nothing wrong with that either. Then a few hundred investors get burned. Free market, tough luck. Here's where we disagree, and probably where I disagree with some anarcho-capitalists: When HYIPs take someone's money by promising them high returns, and then failing to deliver -- that's fraud, and should be punished. Right now, no government agency, (or any other private agency, I might add), is prosecuting criminals in this area, and hence the criminal element flourishes in this area. It's not a free market. A free market is one where people voluntarily associate. To voluntarily associate, these things need to be observed: 1) The right to private contract shall not be infringed. From the US Constitution: No state shall ... pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts ... 2) Violations of contracts need to be punished and compensated. When some HYIP promises 45% return per month, and then fails to deliver without any caveats, then this should not only be a violation of contract law, but also of criminal law, and the people behind such scams need to be tried in a criminal court and then make restitution to their victims. If you enforce and uphold the contracts that private stock exchanges make with their customers, then you don't have HYIP crooks, and you don't have people getting burned. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Can I see Sealand's constitution please? Ooops, sorry. I meant, can I see the terms and coditions of listing on Dbourse? Hmmm. Isn't that what I said from the beginning was lacking and you said wasn't needed? No, it's fundamentally different. If someone can open a company, and write the contracts by which he will associate with others, then this is fine and good. If some third party writes a 'Securities and Exchange Act' by which everyone is forced to comply, then this is wrong. I think we both want the same thing. Protect investors against fraud, kick the living electrons out of scam artists and not interfere with free trade more than absolutely essential. And with this I'll agree! The reason I raised the concerns was simply because I felt that once they were addressed there would be a great platform in place and nobody else needed to trade elsewhere, making the viability of scam copycat operations questionable at best. That in itself would give investors protection. After all, why should they trade on a shady no-name exchange if there was a large endorsed bourse operating in Sealand? And once a reputable firm establishes its credibility, why would anyone want to go someplace else? :) Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Bourse - a few notes
Witness the recent SEC conviction of StockGeneration. SEC wrote: According to the SEC's complaint, the website described the StockGeneration program as a virtual stock exchange in which participants could buy and sell virtual shares in several virtual companies at prices set by SG. The website stated that the share price of one company, identified as Company #9 or the Privileged Company, would generate a risk-free, guaranteed return of 10% per month, or 215% per year. The complaint alleged that in April 2000, SG unilaterally reduced the virtual share prices by nearly 100% and stopped honoring investors' requests to redeem their virtual shares and recover their money. Just FYI, Stock Generation was a game -- it was never a serious stock market. They had a gambling license displayed on their website. All the companies were fictitious, and they made no pretense otherwise. Their violation came when they 'promised' certain profits when the players did certain things. Then, they reneged on the promises, and took money out of players 'cash balances'. These were the accusations against Stock Generation. Unfortunately, there were no criminal prosecutions, and the people are back, making money in another game at http://www.magicmoneygame.com/ . Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: OSstuffing The Fifth
Imagine you have $100,000 and find a way to make $500,000 but you need $250,000 to start with. The 'way' is sending shipments to somewhere and you know that if you can't tie up suppliers and buyers in a matter of days, someone else might step in. But you don't have the $250,000 - you only have $100,000. [...] Dealing with the loan shark will not only reduce your profits, his demands continue to grow as he realizes how much you are making and how much you depend on him. then your nephew who knows his way around the net and has agmbling habit tells you about HYIP... You're just encouraging people on this list to trust these HYIPs. The problem is that NONE of the HYIPs on this list, (or any other list), are valid. The power of exponential growth is overwhelming. If someone needs $150,000, that would be a one-time thing. Someone offering 45% interest every three months is compounding 442% interest over a year. Over two years, $100,000 will grow to 2 million. Over 3 years: 8.6 million. Over 4 years: 38 million. If anyone could make this kind of return, they wouldn't need anyone else's money, and they couldn't use the amount of money that people put into these things. Sincerely, Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
Graham, I have to respond to this. It rubs me the wrong way. :) The issues are; We had 1000's of customers using OSGold... and nobody forced them to. We had multiple 1000's orders, IN/OUT/EXCHANGE, and nobody coerced/forced, or in anyway stood over these people. The ecurrency was real (in spite of what Jim Ray claims, and that laughter he mentions he was enjoying, was a direct result of OSGold failing, no doubt!) 1) No way. No how! There was no POSSIBLE way that OSGold was anything but a scam, because they were running OSOpps, which paid 45% return on principle every 3 months. Any and EVERY business which makes a claim like this is a SCAM -- period. 2) They claimed to be 150% backed by gold!!! There is no way, no how, that this is possible. This means that every time someone deposits $1000 into OSGold, that the owners put in $500 of their own money. What would be the point? Hey, OSGold had a dud CEO... so did Standard Reverse, in SPITE of all the good input by a part owner, e-gold. The issue is Reed scarpered with a sizeable amount of loot, and we all lost $$$. So did Elwyn Jenkins. So what! What do we learn here... ? Is the lesson to AVOID dealing in ecurrencies, altogether? 1) The Owners of OSGold were thieves, for the reasons outlined above. Plain and simple. 2) IF Elwyn Jenkins is a thief, then he is by far a less obvious one. Elwyn Jenkins may simply have been irresponsible. Same result -- different reason, and if we could determine those who will be irresponsible before they lose our money, then the better. However, there was no doubt with OSGold. The main point is the OSGold demand was customer driven. MANY existing ecurrency providers pending ecurrency providers have spent 1000's of hours racking their brains over this issue... HOW did he get the people turnover?. The ones that can up with the answer, They were a scam, or, they were just a ponzi, or similar, are barking up the wrong tree, Why are we barking up the wrong tree? They were a scam. They advertised a scam. They gave the appearance of stability. They promised 45% return on investment, every three months. What else do you think it was? Customer service?!? but believe erroneously that they are right (is this the place to quote the bible verse, PRIDE goes before a fall?) Recently, e-gold hit records for numbers of spends per day. How many of those spends were for scams, ponzi's? Is e-gold exempt from scams, ponzis, just because they're gold backed? Gimme a break! E-Gold does not run the scams. Big difference. Honest people do not steal your money, and scams do. E-Gold is trustworthy. Those running scams are not. Incidently, crazy failed BrightPay generated 21,000 customers in their first 5 weeks... e-gold took YEARS to get to the same level. BrightPay *were* on the right track. Pity about the weak CEO, had no business sense, we poured 1000's of hours trying to re-educate him in how to operate. Graham, it's not possible to run a non-repudiable e-currencies which supplies easy access to money, and you can't have a PayPal without the repudiation headaches. The two are inseparable, and they always will be. Guys, find out what the customer wants, and give it to him. We are working on this ourselves, and e-gold definately needs to work on it as well. e-gold could certainly take a lesson from OSGold re: their MM customer service reps. OUTstanding service, nice folks, and good to deal with. AND very surpised when their boss ran off with the loot. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Don't push a currency unless you have confidence in it. Take care, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Waay too much spare time!
But e-gold also allows the scams, in the same way that those who helped OSGold to withdraw their money by supplying debit cards, for example. Not more, not less. In other words... NO e-gold, NO scam. So, IMO, if Graham or anybody else should be crucified, e-gold should be too. In all fairness, I have to admit that this is a good point. Why didn't E-Gold 'balance-limit' OSGold's account? I don't know. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: because humans have 10 fingers ...
on or about June 4 2003 7:29:04 PM GMT, the e-gold system had performed - for the first time in its existence - over ** 100,000 ** e-metal spends in the preceding 24 hours. And the server didn't crash!!! Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Surge in velocity
Now it is 3:1 to 4:1. I think this is a clear indication that something is changing in the way e-gold is being used. [...] Come to think of it, a 2:1 ratio would make most sense, wouldn't it? The person who transacts and the person who checks to confirm the receipt. That would mean, that when e-gold first started either transactions consisted mainly of e-gold purchases - or alternatively, that people knew they can trust each other... You have it reversed. There are 3 or 4 times as many transactions as there are accounts being accessed. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Surge in velocity
It is, as I said, dozens of companies who wish to make thousands of very small payments to recipients, who want a wide variety of currencies. Jim, can you explain how this process works? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: how to?
Please will someone be kind and tell me how to reply to individual messages by email and how to create them via email instead of having to login to the list each time... Log in to the list. Go to 'Your Settings', and change the settings so that you receive email. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: FUNDING MADE EASILY AND QUICKLY
Prominence Bank (www.prominencebank.com)now offers funding and exchange services for E-Gold and Evocash customers. ALL FUNDS ARE TRANSFERED OR PLACED WITHIN 14 HOURS AFTER FUNDS ARE RECEIVED About 161 hours ago I placed an order through their website. So far I have not even received wire instructions, even after sending a reminder e-mail. I bet you'd receive a quick reply if you were outexchanging. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: A nonhuman player snags 70g of e-gold at TGC!
What I did was for every possible initial hand, determine the best strategy by adding up the payouts for all possible continuations and choosing the strategy with the best average payout. This took quite a lot of computer time (about 120 hours on a pretty fast machine), but in the end I ended up with a list of strategy's that has a net advantage of 1.2%. Thanks for the clarification! Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: A nonhuman player snags 70g of e-gold at TGC!
Well... it's still queens or better, though they did implement some sort of delay preventing a bot from playing too many hands too fast. They also fail to mention that I also lost money from time to time, but overall the bot did indeed win. There's no reason a bot should win. Even their version of Jacks or Better takes more than the Vegas versions. There are no profitable games there. They should be happy to have a bot play as many hands as possible, even if every hand gives the bot an additional chance to win the bar. The bar is only being given because they hope to win more money from those playing. The more a bot plays, the more they should win -- bar or no bar. In fact, the expected payout given optimal play is about 101.2%. Of course a human would not play perfectly, bringing it below 100% (and that's why they probably offer it), but of course a computer can... And playing lots of hands minimizes the risk of loosing money. It's only 101.2% if played with the payouts in Vegas -- not at TheGoldCasino.com. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: theft from e-gold account
What operating system do you have installed? What browser? What email client? Do you have a virusscanner? Is it updated frequently? Do you only visit the e-gold site only by manually entering https://use.e-gold.com/ in your browser address box? Do you have a secure password? The only other thing I would add is that I always access my account through the SRK mouse-click entry system, without exception. There are some trojans out there which can log your key strokes and send them across the internet to the thief who wrote the trojan, but I can't imagine how anyone could capture your mouse-clicks using the SRK. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] re: Funding
I have found their service to be very good and without flaw. They are very professional and I have never had a problem within their network. How did you find them, since they are new to the internet? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] E-gold Usage
For the first time, the number of e-gold accounts with over 10 grams of gold have exceeded 14,000. I count accounts with 10 grams or more, because I think that 10 grams is an amount of e-gold which will definitely NOT be abandoned by the owner as insignificant. Note, also, that there are now over 56,600 accounts with over 1 gram of e-gold. These are record high numbers, though the bar count is still at 126, well below it's maximum. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold Usage
At 8:01 AM +1100 3/15/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If only thse 14,000 users could be reached, Reached how? Jim, you shouldn't have asked! You know he's going to come back with, We need to put pop-up ads on the login screen! Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GetGoldNow - New Site Launched
Dear Sir - Let me make a few things clear. First off your order was with Akasha Gold Exchange, NOT GetGoldNow. We are a completely different company. We simply acquired Akasha Gold Exchange to shut them down. When you acquire a company, you acquire their debts, as well. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fraud Report
The following People have been confirmed for illegal activity and fraudulent funds via E-Gold, PayPal and Brightpay 1) Walter Cavanaugh - E-Gold # 756547 2) Tove Morris - E-Gold # 717260 3) James Anderson - E-Gold # 713430 How do you know these aren't stolen identities? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: PayPal flaws
the interesting thing is the mirror statement is true: 4. The value of my holdings doesn't fluctuate as it does with Paypal. If I have AUG 100 in e-gold, it remains as AUG 100. And I don't have to calculate dollars to grams. As a retailer I have a simple process: I have a product; you want a product; I sell you that product; you pay me for that product. I don't want to know about USD, price fluctuations, etc. However, as a US resident, I have to pay taxes is US dollars. When selling products for gold, I have an incredibly difficult tax procedure to follow. I have to calculate the value of gold in US dollars for each sale, when the sale is made, as this is considered income on my income tax form. THEN I have to enter the gold into a capital gains table so that when I sell the gold and take payment in dollars, I can calculate the correct capital gains tax. It's very complicated. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: PayPal flaws
It is very easy to purchase a money order at the post office or grocery store and mail it to an exchange provider. I don't understand why people think it's so difficult to fund an e-gold account. It's a pain when you can buy the product from someone else who takes credit cards. You don't have to buy the money order, wait for it to arrive at the exchange service, (and sometimes it takes over a week), then take a loss of a couple of percentage points when buying the e-gold. Many people do balk at the 2% - 5% fees, though. Funny thing is, they're paying these fees all the time when they use a credit card -- merchants merely pass their merchant account fees onto their customers in the form of higher prices. But it doesn't matter because merchants aren't allowed to offer discounts for cash or other payment methods, when they accept credit cards. So there's still a 2% - 5% additional fee when purchasing something with e-gold. I remember when gas stations offered cash discounts, but that doesn't happen as much now because people have adjusted to the hidden fees of credit cards, much as they have adjusted to hidden gasoline taxes and withholding of income taxes. If they don't see it, they don't complain. Not the case. Credit card companies have written into their contracts a provision which requires merchants to offer their products for the same price, regardless of whether it's purchased with a credit card or otherwise. Those of you who sell e-gold for credit card payments should read your merchant contract a bit closer. It should be in there. Generally, all you have to do to put $100 in an e-gold account is buy a money order for $105 and send it to an exchange provider. If you don't like spending the extra $5, try bringing a sandwich for lunch one day instead of going out to a restaurant. That'll put you about $2 ahead. $105 for the $100 money order will yield what? About $95 of e-gold? It's not a bargain. There are places where revocable payments will rule the market. Such sales involve relatively inexpensive items with high mark-ups. There are other places where irrevocable payments are required: high value items like cars, boats, and houses. These items require irrevocable payments. E-gold has a chance here. Another area of interest is international trade. It is very difficult for people living in third-world countries to sell their products internationally, because no one wants their local currency. So banks charge a high exchange spread to trade currencies for small countries, thereby effectively imposing a huge tax on every purchase made for items in these countries. E-gold has a chance here, as well. E-gold's strengths are that it is irrevocable and international. It has a chance for people who require payments with those attributes. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Americonn.com
RJ, why are you bailing on Americonn.com? Not enough business? Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: JP not posting??
Also, if this is the case, could someone please post an accurate summary of the circumstances involved? I guess I missed it. If I might hazard a guess... It's a pain to use. How many times do you make a post and forget to put your password in place, or accidentally send your password to someone whom you've cc'd, or accidentally quoted too many lines in your post, or sent too many emails in one day. I get so many rejects from this list, that I try to avoid posting to it. I also try to avoid any email list these days which includes my email address in my post. The GoldMoney list does this too, but my spam level is now so high, that I'm probably going to have to abandon my favorite email address. I have other email addresses, which I've had for years, through which I have received NO SPAM -- ever -- because I don't post them on the internet. It all comes from here and my website. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: JP not posting??
Craig, are you saying the archives of this list display e-addresses? Or are folks grabbing e-addresses as members? I can find your email address in your original message, and in the archive here, (without loggin in): http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/lists.html Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] E-gold SRK Broken
I'm trying to log-in to e-gold for the first time after maintenance yesterday, and the SRK appears to be broken. 1) Using 6.0.2800.1106, Cipher Strength 56-bit, Update Versions SP1; Q324929: Using this version, the SRK refuses to come up and hangs the browser, requiring me to kill it. 2) Using Netscape 7.01, everything appears to work, but the SRK box is too small to accommodate all the numbers and letters, and it can't be stretched. So, it's effectively useless if I have to select a letter or a number on the right side, beyond the edge. Anyone else? I use the SRK religiously. I think it's an ingenious tool. I would hate to see it go. The login works fine when keyed. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold SRK Broken
Thanks, Jay. A couple of notes: 1) I login everyday using IE, so it's seems quite a coincidence that it would stop working immediately after your upgrade. 2) I don't usually log-in using Netscape, so that problem may have been there for a while. However, I cannot resize the SRK window, and the 'maximize' button is disabled. I CAN, however, use 'ctrl-' to make the letters smaller. That works! 3) I'm not sure how to upgrade IE to 128-bit encryption. I tried searching the Microsoft site a couple of weeks ago, but could not find it. 4) After logging-in to e-gold, the security level reads 128-bit, green, so I didn't think it was a problem. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold SRK Broken
1) I login everyday using IE, so it's seems quite a coincidence that it would stop working immediately after your upgrade. It seems to be working fine now with IE. Maybe it was some kind of glitch. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold SRK Broken
3) I'm not sure how to upgrade IE to 128-bit encryption. I tried searching the Microsoft site a couple of weeks ago, but could not find it. i thought any IE6 would be 128-bit, so that is a good question. maybe you are running under win2k and need this: http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/recommended/encryption/ That's it! Jay! Thanks! before you do that, it might be interesting for you to report which internet gold related secure sites allow you to switch up to 128-bit mode and which ones leave you stuck at 56-bit mode :) hehe... e-bullion doesn't step-up. The others do. Thanks, again! You might want to put these references on your website. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Testing gold
... What I am wondering is, is there some easy test I can perform to tell if they are probably gold or partly gold? I don't want to look like a complete idiot if I take in lumps of brass or copper to be tested at a jewellers. Measure the density. Measure the volume by inserting the gold into a measured beaker. Then measure the weight, and calculate the density. This is almost a sure test, since it would take a deliberate forgery, of high quality, to fake the density. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: How exchange providers do outexchanges (ESPs are buying the e-gold).. Is it normal to ask you copy after my passport ???
Wasn't it normal to ask BEFORE receiving my e-gold? On which rules they don't want to send my money now? Why don't you just ask them to send the e-gold back to your account? Will they do this? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Costagold,
Yes, that could very well be ! However, who would that have been paid out to ? According to information I just got following verification, the people who were defrauded by Costagold have not received anything... This is one of those questionable operations. Didn't Costagold advertised itself as a gambling game? If so, how could anyone have been defrauded? Don't get me wrong; I can't stand those people who lie and defraud people, but I have no problem with those who are honest and operate in jurisdictions where this type of activity is legal. I don't know where the e-gold went, but I think Omnipay was simply holding the gold for identification, before completing the wire. I could be wrong. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Costagold,
I may have to stand corrected on Costa Gold. From reading some of the emails in this user group, http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Global-Recovery-Group-how-to-join/ it looks like the money held by e-gold was recovered by the victims of the Costa Gold operation. If true, that would be welcome news. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: government devlops anti-IG weapon!
Um, e-gold IS money. Just think about the nature of money. e-gold is money. We all agree on this, but it sure would not be considered as such in a court of law, and therefore, ADL's argument would fall flat on its face The Patriot Act considers it money, and references it as 'stored value'. http://www.pfma.org/legislative/PatriotActArticle.pdf Incidentally, the Patriot Act also requires reporting transactions involving 'stored value'. Wouldn't this apply to e-gold, for all US-based exchangers? If so, the ADL's argument falls short here, because it's already regulated. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] MSBs
Here's a link describing a Money Services Business from the US government website. It looks to me like exchange services qualify. http://msb.gov/msb/index.html Craig (Houston) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Crowne Gold
The response was to Craig on why we do not give notice before the site may be down. When this thread started the site was down for 23 minutes. Hardly something to be warned about by a technician prior to this to warn the digital gold community who is not involved with Crowne Gold anyhow, except for the fraudsters who use the community to accomplish their fraudulent schemes. When I made the post, I hadn't been able to access it for several days. The reason it disturbed me was because I was considering buying some Crowne Gold! Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] The E-Gold Economy
Last year at this time, I did a Google search to try to determine which areas of the general economy are using e-gold. Well a year has passed, and now we can compare how the uses for e-gold may have changed throughout the general economy. General 1) I didn't do this generic search last year, but this year, the number of results from the search term (e-gold) returns 101,000 hits. 2) (money e-gold) 2002 Results: 37,900 Now 39,600 (4% increase) 3) (web e-gold) 2002 Results: 32,600 Now 34,700 (6% increase) Now, let's look for HYIPs: 4) (hyip e-gold) 2002 Results: 345 Now 2,150 (523% increase) 5) (investment e-gold) 2002 Results: 3,950 Now 8,850 (124% increase) Casinos: 6) (casino e-gold) 2002 Results: 3,160 Now 3,940 (24% increase) 7) (game e-gold) 2002 Results: 4,340 Now 7,340 (69% increase) Web Hosting: 8) (web hosting e-gold) 2002 Results: 2,440 Now 3,610 (48% increase) 9) (hosting e-gold) 2002 Results: 13,700 Now 10,900 (20% DECREASE) Computer Related: 10) (hardware e-gold) 2002 Results: 1,870 Now 2,660 (42% increase) 11) (software e-gold) 2002 Results: 9,850 Now 15,400 (56% increase) Now Shopping: 12) (shopping e-gold) 2002 Results: 6,130 Now 10,800 (76% increase) 13) (coins e-gold) 2002 Results 1,970 Now 2,190 (11% increase) 14) (crafts e-gold) 2002 Results: 606 Now 1,920 (216% increase) 15) (hobby e-gold) 2002 Results: 475 Now 1,950 (310% increase) 156) (auction e-gold) 2002 Results: 2,550 Now 3,870 (52% increase) Books: 17) (books e-gold) 2002 Results: 8,690 Now 21,200 (144% increase) 18) (publishing e-gold) 2002 Results: 1,440 Now 1,930 (34% increase) Commentary: I'm disappointed to see the number of HYIPs increase so much. However, it still appears that HYIPs and Investments are not the largest category. Using these numbers strictly, Web Hosting is a larger category. Hardware and Software sales are a larger category, as are Books, and Shopping. I was particularly interested to see the number of references to Books increase so much, as did Specialties and Crafts. Please understand this is NOT scientific, but simply represents an observation. The total amount of money transacted with e-gold cannot be determined by category using this method. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Crowne Gold
This is the final two weeks in this process. If the site is down it is due to the technicians need to have the site down during their construction process. I don't have any gold in my Crowne Gold account -- but this is why! Down-time, especially significant down-time, needs to be conveyed to the users well in advance, and not just appear, out of the blue, with a message following several days later. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Return to gold standard
GoldMoney and e-gold maintain this ratio at exactly 1 digital gram / 1 physical gram. The old US gold standard maintained this ratio at exactly 1 dollar / 23.22 physical grains. A gold standard, and fractional reserve banking are two different things. The US has always had fractional reserve banking. I can't imagine that any future gold standard would restrict banks from loaning out money. If banks loan money, there's going to be fractional reserve banking, because the people who borrow the money will put it in a bank and increase the reserves in the second bank, though the money also exists in the accounts in the first bank. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Return to gold standard
Let's say I want to start a company that lends out actual e-gold grams on a fractional reserve basis. I take in e-gold deposits, and I then I lend out ten times as much e-gold as I have on deposit. I can't really do this, can I? That's not fractional reserve banking, (nor any kind of banking that I've ever heard). In fractional reserve banking, you take in deposits, and then loan-out 90% of those deposits, (say). The borrowers deposit the money in a bank, (either same bank, or another bank), allowing THAT bank to loan-out 90% of the redeposited money, etcetera... Pretty soon, you have numerous multiples of actual deposited money, held in various accounts. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Less-annoying settings (still somewhat-annoying...)
Hello Jim! How about taking the sender's email addresse out of the message header, and setting the message to both reply-to, and reply-from, the e-gold list, so that the scammers can't identify with us? :) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Malaysia
Are there any e-gold exchange providers in Malaysia? Also anyone providing exchange between e-gold and e-Dinar and other DGCs? Yes I know that e-gold and e-Dinar accounts used to be synonymous, but that is not so anymore. Any information on how e-Dinar is progressing would be appreciated. Was the endorsement by Malaysian Prime Minister Mahatir Mohammed of the gold Dinar some months ago referring to the e-Dinar (or another gold Dinar which he is sponsoring)? I see from the web site e-Dinar has incorporated in Malaysia, but still wants payments sent to USA for payment for credit to a Malaysian institution! No exchange between e-gold and e-Dinar is needed. While each account cannot be viewed on the other's website, Spends can still be done between any two accounts. Right? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: spacegold.com
Yes, I understand that PayPal is a dangerous system... I'm curious, though, why you are going to accept PayPal payments? Do you believe that your security checks will be adequate to prevent any thieves from sending you bad money, or do you simply disagree when we say that PayPal is run by Beelzebub incarnate? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: BAD EXPERIENCE: PAYPAL
I do however have ALL the funds in my account, did not pay the scammer his last payment so I still have a 33% profit on this deal. I do not like my paypal to be blocked though. Note that PayPal will reverse the ACH transactions to your bank account, as well. To stop this, you need to go to your bank. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] no trick
Leaving aside for a moment the fact that there are no Norfed Dollars, but there are Liberty Dollars which have a relationship to the NORFED organization, let's ask what you think a US dollar is: what do you think a US dollar is? When I used the term 'Norfed dollars' and 'US dollars', I'm merely trying to draw a distinction between the two different currencies, leaving aside the precise definitions. If you mean by US dollar the item circulated by the Federal Reserve System, then you should perhaps use Federal Reserve dollar. Incidentally, are there not US dollars in circulation which were not created by the Federal Reserve System? I thought that all treasury notes, and coins were also considered US dollars, but were not on account at the Federal Reserve. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Norfed Disclaimer
There is a law against uttering money. There is also the Civil War circuation tax with which Lincoln drove private money out of circulation. I don't think those laws exist anymore. I spent about 15 minutes looking through the US Code -- Title 31 is the relevent section -- and could not find any reference. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Norfed Disclaimer
TITLE 18 , PART I , CHAPTER 25 , Sec. 486. Sec. 486. - Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. Fascinating, but it looks to me like the key clause is 'intended for use as current money'. If the money is being passed-off as US Dollars, then it looks like the law is being broken. All of Chapter 25 is concerned with counterfeiting and forgery. On the circulation tax, David Hillary seems to have been closer to right than my poor memory. TITLE 12 , CHAPTER 4 , SUBCHAPTER II , Sec. 541. Sec. 541. - Tax on circulating notes generally In lieu of all existing taxes, every association shall pay to the Treasurer of the United States, in the months of January and July, a duty of one-half of 1 per centum each half year upon the average amount of its notes in circulation In lieu of all existing taxes... ??? Doesn't this just apply to national banks? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldnow privacy
I'd like to add my opinions to Ben's comments: I have to agree with Steve here. Who are you to claim that people who want to buy e-gold from you 'might' be 'laundering' money (whatever that means) without some clear proof. Because if they are laundering stolen money, then the bank will probably reverse the charge, or threaten to close your bank account if you do not return the money. And how would them identifying themselves stop the laundering from happening? Do you think that organised crime, terrorists, spies, crooked accountants etc. can't fake documents or acquire them illegally or legitimately? If (as seems to be the case) most market-makers seem to accept faxed copies of IDs, that is no protection at all from fraud in these days of desktop publishing. Most thieves aren't good at faking documents, surprisingly. Moreover, if the thief is in a civilized country, the police there will likely cooperate if you can identify the thief's address. My experience has been that thieves do NOT want to be identified. Are you prepared to identify yourself to customers to the same levels? After all, you are the one accepting funds from your customers. Can you send me a notarised copy of your drivers license, passport, birth certificate and voter's registration papers? I might want to do a police check on you to see if you are reliable enough to send my funds to, would you sign an authority to allow me to do so? The customer is not at a serious risk. If the customer sends his money to a bad exchange service, then the customer will lose the money he sent. If the exchange service fails to identify his customers, he will lose THOUSANDS, and could be financially ruined. Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Norfed Disclaimer
Check out this disclaimer, from the Norfed website: Disclaimer: Gold Silver Libertys are neither legal tender, money, current money nor coins; they are not minted, issued or approved by any government agency; do not generally circulate; are not intended to circulate; and do not relate to taxation or avoidance of taxation. They are privately minted one-ounce gold silver examples of the goods on deposit for the NORFED warehouse receipts. What is legally wrong with saying that a Silver Liberty is: 1) money? 2) a coin? 3) minted? 4) intended to circulate? Isn't a Silver Liberty minted as coin money, and intended to circulate? Is there some law against creating coin money for this purpose? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Moderator message, please read. Re: ahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!
Folks, I know the emotions are high these days, but if we could leave off the profanities I won't be forced to moderate. Thanks in advance for expressing yourselves strongly-but-civilly. Also, I hope that few-not-many messages to this list will become the last-not-first resort, when people have issues with exchange services. Thanks to all for your cooperation in remembering this is a family list. JMR -- wearing my moderator-hat. Jim, you should kick that guy off of the list for impersonating Graham Kelly. That's illegal behavior. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!
Just to bring this thread back to its subject heading, for fits and giggles, I learned today from Bernard von NotHaus that the Liberty Dollar has now exceeded $3 million in circulation in silver pieces, paper warehouse receipts, and digital warehouse receipts. Still places third among free market money, behind e-gold and e-Bullion. How so? Their last audit only shows about 45,000 ounces of silver, and 25 ounces of gold, in circulation. http://63.126.1.222/audits/2002%20Audits/September%20Audit%202002.asp Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Scope of the Free Market Money Economy
The audit represents a count of the silver and gold in the warehouse against which any form of warehouse receipt, paper or digital, has been issued. The audit does not offer to account for any of the gold or silver pieces which have been purchased and placed in circulation separately. Are you sure, or are you speculating? [This question is not meant to detract from the otherwise excellent analysis.] Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Promoting the gold economy/CAPULIN for Grams
Hello again! Can you elaborate on this please? I am curious. I'll never ever make up the losses incurred using e-gold's very flimsy security for shortwits, but I'm still here and enjoy reading the mostly idle chatter. How is the security with e-gold flimsy? and How have you lost money? Thanks, SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Promoting the gold economy/CAPULIN for Grams
So if you could even come up with an actual dollar amount conversion such as $'s for net grams in Net $'s out. I'll deal with the greatly fluctuating cost factors of shipping and ? Is this making it more complicated or less? Now you've gotten me interested in the problem, but I can't seem to figure out what the problem is. If a customer sends you $100 in e-gold, then note that E-Gold will remove (1% of the transaction, up to 50 cents USD maxium). Then if you have Omnipay send you a check, they will take one dollar USD. So your check will be about $98.50, if the price of gold does not change. If the customer sends you 10 grams of e-gold, then convert this to ounces with the ratio '1 oz. troy = 31.1034768 grams', and then multiply by the price per ounce, 10 / 31.1034768 * $317.10 = $101.95 From $101.95, subtract the 50 cents, and then the $1 for Omnipay's check, and the final total will be $100.45. Note, that the price to the customer will generally be just 1 percent less than what he sends to you, if you compile several payments into one before taking Omnipay's check. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Promoting the gold economy/CAPULIN for Grams
Almost there was a $6.20 drop per and I don't know what storage was either? Well, the $6.20 drop per ounce will lead to: .38022 * 6.20 = $2.36 (but you may not want to include this calculation since it could have gone the other way, too, and increased your return) The storage fee is only 1% per year, so that would be $1.21 per year. So the total is $119.30 - 2.36 = $116.94 (not including the storage fee of 1% per year) SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New Merchant to E-gold but I have a question.
We are a new merchant to E-gold. Are you saying that if we accept E-gold for payment on our website for our services, we won't be able to take that e-gold and get a check for it? Sure, there are a host of exchange services which will buy e-gold from you. I keep a list here: www.golddirectory.com/e-gold.htm Also note that www.omnipay.net is an exchange service run by the same people who founded the e-gold system, and they'll send you a check for only a $1 postage and handling fee. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: X-changer promoting chain letter??
London Gold Exchange is sending out a newsletter promoting some chainletter deal. I do not care what gimmick they promote as long as they do not push it to their exchanger client list. How do you know it's from London Gold Exchange? There is at least one scavenger out there sending out spam disguised as being from legitimate entities. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: problems connecting to egold servers
I am not able to spend e-gold right now. Some of my referrals even can not see the balance. It's been getting worse the past few months. I have a very difficult time checking my balance, and doing spends, these days. Time for a new Server? Maybe a Distributed Processing Rewrite? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] localised tax systems the Jews
Concentration camps? Surely you don't mean the types used in Nazi Germany. http://www.godwinslaw.com/ Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Bullion
IF anyone has not changed their password to their E-Bull account, and cannot get into the system, contact the admin at e-Bull. Great people and very responsive to clients. Just did. Excellent customer service! Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] E-Bullion
Can anyone else get into their E-Bullion account now? It would do my heart good to know that it's a system error. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: [dgc.chat] Re: Question???
I think your new policy http://www.goldmoney.com/en/cap.html is much better than the previous one where every account holder was required to mail ID. It seems relatively easy to comply with and does not overly inconvenience people who only want to carry out small transactions. Wow, does this policy apply now? Is there a grandfather clause? What if I have to remove more than 50gg Next Week? Craig (Snowdog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Reuters article
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=searchStoryID=1286489 Perfect timing with PayPal withdrawing support for online casinos. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: We can fund your debit cards!
To purchase e-gold all I had to do was enter my debit card number on the site. This is the problem with debit and credit cards, and why few, (if any), exchange services will take them. On the internet, everyone can be essentially anonymous, and there are numerous thieves with access to debit and credit card numbers. With just a number to accept payment, a large number of forged charges occur when this type of payment is accepted, which fall back on the merchant. E-gold, and other digital currencies, provide a quick way for a thief to transfer payment anywhere in the world. Should a thief be able to buy a digital currency with a forged charge, then he could have the money in his local back, anywhere in the world, within a day or two. This makes it essential that those who take payment for these types of currencies, be absolutely certain that the payment is good. The Post Office is more protected in this regard, because they can check ID and photograph the buyer. A physical transaction greatly reduces the numbers of those who would forge a charge. Likewise, a thief doesn't want to purchase physical merchandise with a forged charge, because there will be a physical trace with him. Those who sell physical merchandise have low fraud rates. However, a thief buying a non-physical good can do so from anywhere in the world, even in jurisdictions which do not process this sort of crime. Hence there would be a large fraud rate in the sale of digital currencies, if exchange services did not take hard payment. Would you buy an expensive gold watch from a dealer in Malasia, on the condition that the watch would be shipped after you sent $1000 in payment? It's the same problem. An exchange service can convert a hard payment to a softer payment, and hence can fund your debit card or PayPal account with your hard payment. However, an exchange service cannot perform the transaction in reverse without being targetted by internet thieves. Sincerely, Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: We can fund your debit cards!
Well then I guess I'm just doomed to eating in expensive restaurants to have my card swiped by a smiling waiter with a handheld reader on his belt that is disguised to look like a pager so he can sell my account to the mob for ten or fifteen dollars. Then I can give him a generous tip and wait until later to discover that someone has cleaned out my ATM from halfway around the world. It doesn't get any better. He would need a pin number to clean out your account with an ATM. That's what he wouldn't need with an internet transaction, and why the ATM withdrawal is harder to reverse. Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: New (old) e-gold tshirts -- FREE*
My apologies for our model (at least he was cheap!). Actually, get rid of some gut, keep the sunglasses on, and you look pretty sharp. (PS: I'm not gay -- not that there's anything wrong with that.) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Very low velocity?
I don't look at the e-gold velocity stats very often but isn't the current velocity incredibly low? It's currently at about $650,000.00. Hasn't it typically been much higher? Again, I don't have much historical reference, but I recall velocities of 3 or 4 million in the past! It hasn't been 3 or 4 million in a while, but even when it was, velocity always dropped significantly on Sunday, into Monday. $650K is about right for a Monday morning, these days. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] OSGold
Didn't OSGold start in January, 2001? If so, it lasted about 18 months. As of 07/12/02 OSGOLD operations will suspend all activity for a period of 90 days or until the expected funds are released. This will give all principals the time needed to reorganize under current laws and regulations which have changed in the past year. Please do not expect more information from staff members. They are not privy to the Board of Director's discussions or activities. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] OSGold Updates
From the latest information at www.onegroupe.com, I had thought that the managers were still maintaining a pretense of propriety. However, with yesterday's update, it now appears that this pretense is put out solely by whatever staff they had working for them, and that the principles have already gone to Tahiti. While we do apologize for the lack of new information in our recent updates, this is a direct result of the lack of support and communication from the OneGroupe Board of Directors. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Audit?
Um, what makes you think there has ever been a third party audit of e-gold, ever? I don't see it anywhere. There was an audit on Feb 22, 2001. They removed the document when they changed the Examiner Page. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] EVOcash as an ecurrency
That's not the (only) thing you look at. Since Standard Reserve and OsGold are (were (in the case of Standard Reserve)?) e-metal currencies and you decide not to work with them. Has anyone EVER redeemed any gold from OSGold? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pd question/contest
Does anyone here know about how much palladium there is (known reserves, plus metal above ground, I guess)? I looked a bit on google, and found not-much (but saw a few mentions of e-gold even when I wasn't searching for it, which was cool!). The closest I come is with this: SUPPLY: South Africa and Russia were the world's leading producers of platinum group metals in 1998, according to Johnson Matthey Ltd., accounting for much of the 5 million ounces of platinum, 7.2 million ounces of palladium and 490,000 ounces of rhodium produced worldwide, as well as other PGMs. found here: http://www.amm.com/ref/platgrp.HTM The number of 7.8 million ounces, world-wide is found again here: http://www.napalladium.com/supply.html Also, from here, we can find the relative rarity of the different metals: http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/poitras022801.html . It is stated that palladium is about 2.5 times more abundant than gold. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: what a joke ..
Is this crap http://www.standardreserve.com/ gonna affect e-gold badly? I thought Standard Reserve had signed-up a cruise line last year, with 60,000 employees as customers. They were quite excited about it, at the time. If they did sign them up, I imagine another lawsuit from these guys would be forthcoming, as well. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: redemption
I am ready to redeem some of my egold. Forgive my ignorance, but could someone describe to me how to withdraw egold and convert it into US dollars? You have to sell your e-gold to an exchange service. I keep a list here: www.golddirectory.com/e-gold.htm. There is also a list on the e-gold website, at http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/links.htm. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Scotia Mocatta Delivery Orders
Notice that the items in Switzerland are not listed as bars of gold, but rather, Scotia-Mocatta Delivery Orders. The MDO The Scotia Mocatta Delivery Order (MDO) offers overseas or domestic storage of precious metals. Domestically, the metals are stored in Delaware Depository Services, Wilmington, Delaware. Overseas storage is at Mats Securitas Express, AG, Zurich, Switzerland. MDOs are offered in gold, silver, and platinum. Certificates are pre-sized to specific quantities of specific types and forms of metal. Is this correct? If so, can someone describe the difference between the gold stored at JP Morgan/Chase in London, and these MDOs in Switzerland? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Shenanigans with e-gold
So to answer your question: People use E-Gold, because they can - without fear of being tracked. E-gold does provide a very convenient way for Law Enforcement to track and prosecute these criminals, since all of their activity is maintained in the central database -- but Law Enforcement won't do it. Yet, people seem to want E-Gold to take-on this responsibility. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold for sale THIS IS A HUGE SCAM ASSISTANCE NEEDED
Good Paul (or better Pavel Zarva??), you are operating under a moniker and expect trust A real name which points to a post-communistic individual? I'll vouch for Paul's integrity, with the observation that he's been running his business for almost a year, or so, (maybe longer), without any serious problems. That's quite an indication of trust. I will also say that I've never heard of First Digital Bank, either, and given that its representative seems to make personal attacks, I would be far less likely to suspect that this individual has the honesty and integrity for which he seems to strive. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Missed opportunity
Well, Lew is at it again. Gary North writes: http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north107.html and leaves out any mention of digital gold. I've spoken to Lew Rockwell twice, at two of Ron Paul's birthday parties, and even gave him an E-gold pen, but he is quite opposed to the concept, for some reason. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: who should hold the gold, JP?
(By the way, it is more than a bar of gold, right? So, your theory, and Snowdog's theory, that e-gold buys a bar of gold and has more than enough sometimes is, I think, mistaken. If that were the only reason for the discrepancy, there would be less than a bar of gold difference, not more than one bar difference.) E-Gold does NOT buy gold. Moreover, when Omnipay bails bars of gold into the e-gold system, those bars are treated as liabilities of E-Gold LTD, because the Omnipay account is just like any other customer's account. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] e-gold trust confusion unnecessary
It seems to me to be quite simple in the discreprency. the e-gold trust has in fact purchased more gold than they are liable for, to cover all liabilities, and to cover future liabilities when the time arises. It's much simpler to buy 400oz bars at a time, than it is to divide gold to two decimal points, simply because some people are confused. E-Gold doesn't purchase gold. The discrepancy is from storage fees, accumulated over time. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] gold assets
*** CONCESSION You know, it seems like the Trust could easily avoid this whole issue by simply holding these other liabilities IN E-GOLD ACCOUNTS. Just take the 19,106.21 gg and divvy it up into some new accounts. Boom! Assets = Liabilities to e-gold account holders. But you couldn't do that and list the liabilities of E-Gold LTD. E-Gold LTD cannot have a liability to itself. What people seem to be saying is that they want to see the Left Side equal the Right Side. However, the ONLY way the left side could equal the right side is if the balance sheet was showing the assets of the Trust, and the Total amount of gold in circulation. This, however, is NOT what's being presented. What we're seeing is an itemized list of the Assets of E-Gold LTD, and their Liabilities. No matter how you look at it, they have MORE assets than liabilities. Most people would think this is a good thing, but everyone seems to want it to balance, and it just won't as long as we're talking about E-Gold LTD. This is the way it should be. It's quite normal. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] gold assets
Hey Eric! Welcome to the argument from hell! :) What we're seeing is an itemized list of the Assets of E-Gold LTD, and their Liabilities. No matter how you look at it, they have MORE assets than liabilities. (end snip) E-Gold LTD has a liability to their customers for the e-gold in their accounts. In the past, E-Gold has told us that they have no liabilities and no bank accounts. However, it's obvious that they owe us the gold. They can't escape that liability, and that's not what they intended to say. Here's something else, too. Let's say that they DID create a sheet showing two columns: one showing the total amount of gold in the Trust; and the other one showing a balanced list of all the e-gold in all the accounts. Is this what you want? NO! This wouldn't tell us anything about their stability, IF E-Gold LTD had other liabilities which could conceivably, (in a court of law), draw a claim on the gold in the Trust. They're doing it the right way. They're showing us that they have MORE THAN ENOUGH gold to cover their liabilities to their customers. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] e-gold trust confusion unnecessary
E-Gold doesn't purchase gold. The discrepancy is from storage fees, accumulated over time. Craig Dear Craig, I never said e-gold. I said the e-gold trust. Hello Tristan! I didn't mean to be so abrupt. However, the Trust does not purchase gold, either. The only entity that purchases gold is Omnipay, and the gold is reconciled with e-gold which is put into their account. Moreover, the balance sheet in the Examiner lists assets and liabilities of E-Gold LTD. I think it makes perfect sense. Assets = Liabilities + Equity. They're simply not listing their equity. I don't think there's any reason to speculate that there are other liabilities or assets that are not listed. E-Gold has said, on numerous occasions, that they have no bank accounts, (hence no additional assets), and that the gold is kept free from any liability, (which is quite clear that they mean a liability OTHER than the customers' accounts), so I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp. It can't be done any other way, under E-Gold's governance model. The gold is owned by E-Gold; it is not owned by the customers, but exists as a liability on their books. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
