[e-gold-list] Re: question on coins

2003-10-21 Thread Robert B.Z.
Hello Jens,

You do of course have a point, but I think the reason for coins is mainly
that they are with us as since shortly after the concept of money was
invented (metal supplies permitting and shell money and similar exemptions
not withstanding). Old habits die hard, I suppose.

I do actually believe that coins are more expensive than paper notes (to
mint, transport and store) but also more durable. However there is the
administrative part that allows you to simply weigh coins to determine the
number of coins in a batch, which beats having to sort 5 cent bills and
quarter-dollar bank notes :o)

I think most national banks are gradually reducing the numbers of coins in
circulation as especially smaller denominations are all but obsolete
anyway. Most notably, Australia did away with pennies altogether for quite
a while now. The smallest Australian coin in circulation is the 5 cents
coin and shops either round up or off. At the same time Australian 50 cent
and 1 dollar coins are the most used ones for shopping.

Malaysia on the other hand has introduced 1 and 2 Ringgit notes a while
back and are slowly replacing the 1 Ringgit coin while also cutting back
on the amount of 1 and 5 cent coins in circulation.

So, I guess there is no real answer to your question. Different countries
use different approches and maybe it is a matter of time until especially
small change becomes a matter of confirming a deduction from a change-card
as you walk past the automatic cashier transmitter at the supermarket.

Cheers,
Robert.

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[e-gold-list] Re: question on coins

2003-10-21 Thread James M. Ray
Wilkinson Jens wrote:

...
 When dealing with paper money and coins, is there really a
 good reason to have coins at all? 

...

Well, aside from the historical reasons, there are emotional
reasons to have coins, IMO. Everyone needs to feel a one oz
gold or silver coin and play with it for a while, IMO. The
paper is useful and can be beautiful, but even a good-sized
coin-shaped nugget silently says that gold is money when you
touch it and hold it. (Try it and see!)
JMR




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[e-gold-list] Re: question on coins

2003-10-21 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 02:15 AM, Robert B.Z. wrote:

I do actually believe that coins are more expensive than paper notes 
(to
mint, transport and store) but also more durable. However there is the
administrative part that allows you to simply weigh coins to determine 
the
number of coins in a batch, which beats having to sort 5 cent bills and
quarter-dollar bank notes :o)


Yes, as I recall it costs the Federal Reserve about 3.5 cents to 
produce a paper token.  So at the very least they might produce a paper 
nickel and still make a 1.5 cent profit per item, but as Robert 
correctly points out, the paper nickels would wear out very quickly and 
the Fed would be obligated to replace them with new paper, exactly as 
they do now for the higher denominations (shredding the old worn out 
stuff and printing new replacements).  Just one turnover of a paper 
nickel would wipe out their entire profit and put them in the loss 
column.

The paper nickel would wear out after just a few years, while a metal 
nickel can stick around for many decades.  I frequently see 20 - 30 
year old nickels, dimes, and quarters in circulation (can you even 
_imagine_ how many times those have been spent!?).  The only reason you 
don't see 40 year old dimes and quarters is that those were made of 
silver and therefore nobody is foolish enough to spend them anymore.

-- Patrick

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