RE: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number
Leah’s points are on the mark In the old days when I was implementing EDI in a mainframe environment we elected to use the system time registry for control numbers since we were operating in a real time mode. We used the higher time registers (HHMM) for the ISA and HHMMSS) for GS and then HHMM for the ST since it was not unusual for our system to generate multiple ST/SE in the same second. Rachel Foerster 847-872-8070 From: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:EDI-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leah Halpin Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:49 AM To: vincent samuel; EDI-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number Because your trading partner will have their own ideas and in the real world one must work with trading partners while attempting to educate them rather than butting one's head against the wall. Also, just because a field is alphanumeric it does not mean that only alpha or only numeric characters must be used, it simply means that both are allowed. Therefore, a string of numbers only is just as valid as a string of alpha characters or a string of both. Since the purpose of the ST control number (in my opinion) is to indicate position in the GS as well as count them, numeric makes the most sense to my human brain. Alpha would work ok up to 26, but then one would either need to start adding numbers or AA, AB, AC or would it be AA, BA, CA? And, would AA come after Z or would my translator somehow put AA after A and then B? You see the point here, once you get outside the box of straight numbering, there are too many variables for easy integration. Having said this, I don't know any translator that would automatically check for sequence in ST control numbers and a person could figure it out, as this would likely only be done in the case of an error. In that case, why make it harder on your TP? Pretty much everyone uses Arabic numbers and can count, if they're in this business. I have seen trading partners use a numeric format of the ISA or GS control number followed by 0001, 0002, etc as the ST/SE control numbers and I have seen other numeric permutations used. I've also seen alpha characters in GS control numbers, but not yet in ST/SE. Unless you count spaces, which you should, as they're technically alpha. IMHO any decent translator should be able to deal with ST*856* 1' for example and not require ST*856*0001', although I have run into issues with that before, as well. Leah _ From: vincent samuel crazyvin...@yahoo.com mailto:crazyvin...@yahoo.com To: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com mailto:EDI-L@yahoogroups.com EDI-L@yahoogroups.com mailto:EDI-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number Why dont you just follow what the standards say - numeric or alphanumeric?
Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number
Because your trading partner will have their own ideas and in the real world one must work with trading partners while attempting to educate them rather than butting one's head against the wall. Also, just because a field is alphanumeric it does not mean that only alpha or only numeric characters must be used, it simply means that both are allowed. Therefore, a string of numbers only is just as valid as a string of alpha characters or a string of both. Since the purpose of the ST control number (in my opinion) is to indicate position in the GS as well as count them, numeric makes the most sense to my human brain. Alpha would work ok up to 26, but then one would either need to start adding numbers or AA, AB, AC or would it be AA, BA, CA? And, would AA come after Z or would my translator somehow put AA after A and then B? You see the point here, once you get outside the box of straight numbering, there are too many variables for easy integration. Having said this, I don't know any translator that would automatically check for sequence in ST control numbers and a person could figure it out, as this would likely only be done in the case of an error. In that case, why make it harder on your TP? Pretty much everyone uses Arabic numbers and can count, if they're in this business. I have seen trading partners use a numeric format of the ISA or GS control number followed by 0001, 0002, etc as the ST/SE control numbers and I have seen other numeric permutations used. I've also seen alpha characters in GS control numbers, but not yet in ST/SE. Unless you count spaces, which you should, as they're technically alpha. IMHO any decent translator should be able to deal with ST*856* 1' for example and not require ST*856*0001', although I have run into issues with that before, as well. Leah From: vincent samuel crazyvin...@yahoo.com To: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com EDI-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number Why dont you just follow what the standards say - numeric or alphanumeric?
RE: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number
As far as I have ever seen these control numbers are used by the translator to note which ST/SE it is translating. So within the GS/GE each ST/SE control number is unique. I don't recall that they have to be in any particular order or that they have to be consecutive; however, most of the time they are generated in numeric order. Sincerely, Jason McMahon 10830 Lake Thames Apt A Cincinnati, OH 45242-3126 gutau...@clear.net http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-mcmahon/11/743/51b http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-mcmahon/11/743/51b _ From: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:EDI-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leah Halpin Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:49 AM To: vincent samuel; EDI-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number Because your trading partner will have their own ideas and in the real world one must work with trading partners while attempting to educate them rather than butting one's head against the wall. Also, just because a field is alphanumeric it does not mean that only alpha or only numeric characters must be used, it simply means that both are allowed. Therefore, a string of numbers only is just as valid as a string of alpha characters or a string of both. Since the purpose of the ST control number (in my opinion) is to indicate position in the GS as well as count them, numeric makes the most sense to my human brain. Alpha would work ok up to 26, but then one would either need to start adding numbers or AA, AB, AC or would it be AA, BA, CA? And, would AA come after Z or would my translator somehow put AA after A and then B? You see the point here, once you get outside the box of straight numbering, there are too many variables for easy integration. Having said this, I don't know any translator that would automatically check for sequence in ST control numbers and a person could figure it out, as this would likely only be done in the case of an error. In that case, why make it harder on your TP? Pretty much everyone uses Arabic numbers and can count, if they're in this business. I have seen trading partners use a numeric format of the ISA or GS control number followed by 0001, 0002, etc as the ST/SE control numbers and I have seen other numeric permutations used. I've also seen alpha characters in GS control numbers, but not yet in ST/SE. Unless you count spaces, which you should, as they're technically alpha. IMHO any decent translator should be able to deal with ST*856* 1' for example and not require ST*856*0001', although I have run into issues with that before, as well. Leah _ From: vincent samuel crazyvin...@yahoo.com To: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com EDI-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number Why dont you just follow what the standards say - numeric or alphanumeric?
RE: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number
As for not seeing any EDI with an Alpha in the ST control number, Honda sends me that exact thing every day. The value Honda sends is the same as what they send in the BEG:03 on the 850 document.What Honda sends in the 830 and 862 is similar, but always alphanumeric.John --- In EDI-L@yahoogroups.com, leahhalpin@... wrote:Because your trading partner will have their own ideas and in the real world one must work with trading partners while attempting to educate them rather than butting ones head against the wall. Also, just because a field is alphanumeric it does not mean that only alpha or only numeric chara cters must be used, it simply means that both are allowed. Therefore, a string of numbers only is just as valid as a string of alpha characters or a string of both. Since the purpose of the ST control number (in my opinion) is to indicate position in the GS as well as count them, numeric makes the most sense to my human brain. Alpha would work ok up to 26, but then one would either need to start adding numbers or AA, AB, AC or would it be AA, BA, CA? And, would AA come after Z or would my translator somehow put AA after A and then B? You see the point here, once you get outside the box of straight numbering, there are too many variables for easy integration. Having said this, I dont know any translator that would automatically check for sequence in ST control numbers and a person could figure it out, as this would likely only be done in the case of an error. In that case, why make it harder on your TP? Pretty much everyone uses Arabic numbers and can count, if theyre in this business. I have seen trading partners use a numeric format of the ISA or GS control number followed by 0001, 0002, etc as the ST/SE control numbers and I have seen other numeric permutations used. Ive also seen alpha characters in GS control numbers, but not yet in ST/SE. Unless you count spaces, which you should, as theyre technically alpha. IMHO any decent translator should be able to deal with ST*856* 1 for example and not require ST*856*0001, although I have run into issues with that before, as well.LeahFrom: vincent samuel crazyvincee@... To: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com EDI-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number Why dont you just follow what the standards say - numeric or alphanumeric? __._,_.___ ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: SALES, JOBS, LIST, TECH, MISC, EVENT, OFF-TOPIC Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: JOBS IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix. Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number
Hi, all, Control number data elements in ISA, IEA, GS, and GE are of type N0 with max of 9 characters. However, ST and SE control number type is AN with 4 to9 characters. Anyone has a good answer? Is ABCD a good control number? Well, if the question is, did I read all that correctly? the answer is yes. If the question is Should I go ahead and use 'ABCD' as the (transaction set) control number? then the answer is, No!. Don't do that! You will have at least half your partners who believe this element to be numeric and you will end up changing it anyway! (I have been doing this thirty years and have *never* seen a TS control number use anything but numeric digits). See also Segment HL, elements one and two. Those are AN 12 elements, but I've never seen those use anything but numeric digits for those elements, either! HTH MCM ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: SALES, JOBS, LIST, TECH, MISC, EVENT, OFF-TOPIC Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: JOBS IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: edi-l-dig...@yahoogroups.com edi-l-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: edi-l-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [EDI-L] Tech question about Control number
Why dont you just follow what the standards say - numeric or alphanumeric?
