[Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread adamkern
Are there any field tester reports on subreceiver function and
integration?

N1KO
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[Elecraft] QSK and Monitor on the K3

2007-10-08 Thread Ed Muns
I ran QSK all weekend in the CQP with the K3 driving an Alpha 87A and a Pro3
driving another 87A.  I like to reduce the monitor level as low as possible
and on the K3/87A combo, it was extremely quiet and smooth.  But the Pro3
could not subdued by comparison.  First of all, even with the sidetone
reduced to zero, there was still leakage that was much louder than what the
K3 could be adjusted to.  In addition, the Pro3 had popping and slapping
on the TX/RX transitions between code elements that was very tiring.  The
Pro3 in one ear made it impossible to copy weak signals on the K3 in the
other ear.  I was constantly having to manually switch the headphones to the
K3 only when working a station on that radio.  The other way was fine ... K3
transmitting in one ear while copying a weak signal on the Pro3 in the other
ear.

At least six K3's were on in the CQP: AB7R, N0SS, W6GV (K2VCO), N6XI, K7RAT
(N6TR) and K6YT (W0YK).

73,
Ed - W0YK

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RE: [Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread Ed Muns
 Are there any field tester reports on subreceiver function 
 and integration?

The KRX3 has not been released from engineering.  No one has it yet.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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[Elecraft] Re: [PVRC] Today's Wall Street Journal

2007-10-08 Thread John D'Ausilio
it's a K1 .. video available on wsj.com

On 10/8/07, Brian F. Wruble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Front page article on Chuck Adams K7QO and his attempts to keep CW alive.
 Great article.  Picture of an Elecraft K-1 (I think) as well.

 73 de Brian W3BW
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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

2007-10-08 Thread Richard Smith

Hi Bill,

I would like to balance the scales here a little bit.  First of all, I am 
not only an Elecraft fan, but a Flex-Radio fan as well.  I own a K2 as well 
as an SDR-1000.  I love what all these guys have done for Amateur Radio in 
the past few years.  We are all the beneficiaries of their excellent 
engineering and competitive spirits.


After some long and hard thinking, I chose the SDR-5000A over the K3.  I 
think the specs are very close and either rig will do better than anything 
I've ever owned before, including the K2, the SDR-1000 and an Icom 756PRO. 
And all of those rigs were more than adequate in my location.  Of course, 
your mileage and mission may vary.  I think the K3 and 5000A will both blow 
away the Icom - Yaesu competition costing many thousands more.


I think your cost analysis is a bit overstated.  I don't understand why Flex 
Radio priced the 5000C so high.  I think a fairer comparison is with the 
5000A plus a stand alone computer.  I imagine that most hams would be able 
to use the computer currently in their shack.  I upgraded mine to a dual 
core AMD Athlon 64 X2 by throwing in a new motherboard, etc. for a few 
hundred dollars when I got the SDR-1000.  The CPU runs at less than 20% when 
running the SDR-1000 full bore.  For the $600 you mention for a PC, you can 
get more than enough machine off the shelf to run an SDR-5000A plus 
everything else in the shack simultaneously (e.g., logging program, PSK-31, 
etc.).  So now the calculation looks like:


   SDR-5000A$2799
   Computer   $600

   Total$3399, not $5098.  I don't think you need the $99 
knob.


   In my case I already have the computer, and I bought the radio just 
before the October 1 price increase, so my cost is $2499, or actually $2798 
with the ATU.


Ergonomically, I must say that I really like the computer GUI of the 
PowerSDR.  I was skeptical at first, and was reluctant to give up my knobs, 
but I don't even reach for them anymore.  Tuning is very smooth with a 
mousewheel, and its very easy to reach for other programs on the screen 
while operating by just simply moving the mouse.  I also like the fact that 
you can connect various programs to the PowerSDR program through virtual 
audio and port connections - that is you can, for instance interface a PSK31 
program to the radio audio and com port without any cables, etc.   You can 
have many such channels running simultaneously.  The radio should also 
improve over time as the software continues to evolve.  Very cool.


But most of all for me, its about the bandscope.  I got hooked by the 
756PRO, and the SDR-1000 brought my addiction to a whole other level.  Its 
not just seeing, its doing.  Point and click tuning.  Point and drag tuning. 
Visual bandedge filter adjustments by dragging an edge.  Etc.  For me, this 
was the key deciding factor for going with the SDR-5000A rather than the K3, 
where to me, the other specs are very close.


But in a perfect world, I'd own both.

   73,

   Rich W1EZ




- Original Message - 
From: Bill Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A



Form Factor:

This is a religious issue with some.  Knobs versus
no knobs.  Real Radios Don't Need Knobs (Flex's slogan).
I suppose the K3's corollary slogan is Real Radios Don't
Need Computers.  :-)


Cost (for the 5000 it depends on whether you already have
a fairly high-performance computer dedicated to your shack.
I'm going to compare the 5000C which includes the computer
and will assume $200 for an LCD display):

5000C $5098 (no ATU, $200 display plus a $99 knob option)
K3$2825 (assembled K3/100, KXV3, KRX3, 2X 500 Hz filters)

Of course the K3 does not include a bandscope, but the KXV3
provides the wide bandwidth buffered IF output to do this.
Eventually Elecraft, Clifton Labs or someone will provide
this.  The solution could be as simple as a SoftRock40 on
the 8.215 MHz output to something much more exotic.  Let's
assume $400 for something like a Clifton Labs Z91 plus
another $600 for an adequate computer and display, resulting
in an additional $1000 for interface hardware, computer and
display.  I'm assuming free software based either on Rocky
or PowerSDR.  This results in:

5000C $5098
K3+   $3825

Advantage:  K3 which will have basic RX performance
exceeding the 5000 (see above) and a parallel SDR bandscope.
Assuming someone like HB9DRV integrates this with his Ham
Radio Deluxe program, I believe the K3 will maintain a
significant price advantage over the 5000C.


73,  Bill  W4ZV




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Re: [Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread Tree
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 05:16:53AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are there any field tester reports on subreceiver function and
 integration?

Nope - becauses there aren't any out there yet.  However, it is exactly the
same hardware as the main receiver and you have the same control over it as
you do the main one - so it should work exactly as well.

Tree
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[Elecraft] Re: K2 IF amplifier output fault

2007-10-08 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
Alan,

When I was diagnosing low audio output in s/n 3641, one of the several
things I found was a leaky cap at C10. There was a small AC component
on the /AGC OFF signal that was making it through to U1 pin 2, and
that upset the entire downstream chain.

It's a stretch, but the fact that you can't get full AGC voltage
in test 8 sounds kind of familiar...

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: [Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread Andrew Moore
I apologize if this has already been discussed or already posted on
the Elecraft site, but:

If I combine a K3 with an XV144 transverter:

- would I be able to use main and sub bands to simultaneously listen
to, for example, 40 meter CW and 2 meter FM -- controlling each
signal's volume independently through the same speaker?

- what 2 meter receive frequency coverage would this allow?  I'd like
to be able to receive up to 154 MHz or so.

Please reply off list.

Thanks,
--Andrew
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Re: [Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
That raises an interesting point, not that I think I'd need to do this in
current conditions, but a K3, KXV3 and a XV144 would only allow you to Rx/TX
on one 2M freq at any one time - so it would effectively take another KXV3
and a XV144 to be able to receive 2M via 2nd Rx in K3 - something that
probably isn't going to be easy to do - probably easier to buy another K3 as
well.


On 8/10/07 16:41, Andrew Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 I apologize if this has already been discussed or already posted on
 the Elecraft site, but:
 
 If I combine a K3 with an XV144 transverter:
 
 - would I be able to use main and sub bands to simultaneously listen
 to, for example, 40 meter CW and 2 meter FM -- controlling each
 signal's volume independently through the same speaker?
 
 - what 2 meter receive frequency coverage would this allow?  I'd like
 to be able to receive up to 154 MHz or so.
-- 
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proverb


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Re: [Elecraft] KSB2 OP1 filter USB response...

2007-10-08 Thread John Magliacane
--- Steve Kallal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It has been a few weeks since I built the KSB2 option. There is one problem
 I haven't yet resolved. The response on the USB side of OP1 is not as broad
 as the LSB side, and has a narrower peak.

Hi Steve.

Assuming your KSB2 is working properly, what you are seeing may very well be a
familiar characteristic of the crystal ladder filter used in the rig.

I ran some sweeps of my K2/100 several years ago, the results of which clearly
illustrate this effect.  Response vs. frequency plots may be found here:

  http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/ksb2.html

The response is slightly asymmetric, with the roll-off being noticeably sharper
on one side of the passband than the other.

This is normal.

The side with the sharper roll-off will (in my opinion) ring more than the
gentler side.  As such, audio products that hit the sharper edge may appear
to be over-emphasized, so it might be beneficial to tailor your microphone's
audio response and the BFO frequencies to avoid hitting this edge with too much
audio.

Also, be aware that due to the mixing scheme of the transceiver, the audio
characteristics you observed are not only a product of the sideband selected,
but also the frequency band you've on as well.


73, de John, KD2BD


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[Elecraft] K3 simultaneous main/sub receive

2007-10-08 Thread Andrew Moore
I should have edited the subject line prior to my post.  My bad.
Corrected now, to keep things a little more clear on the list.

 a K3, KXV3 and a XV144 would only allow you to Rx/TX
 on one 2M freq at any one time - so it would effectively take another KXV3
 and a XV144 to be able to receive 2M via 2nd Rx in K3 - something that
 probably isn't going to be easy to do - probably easier to buy another K3 as
 well.

  If I combine a K3 with an XV144 transverter:
 
  - would I be able to use main and sub bands to simultaneously listen
  to, for example, 40 meter CW and 2 meter FM -- controlling each
  signal's volume independently through the same speaker?
 
  - what 2 meter receive frequency coverage would this allow?  I'd like
  to be able to receive up to 154 MHz or so.
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Re: [Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread Lyle Johnson

... a K3, KXV3 and a XV144 would only allow you to Rx/TX
on one 2M freq at any one time


Actually, I suspect it is possible to configure things so that you can 
*receive* on two different 2m frequencies if using a K3 equipped with 
Aux receiver.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 simultaneous main/sub receive

2007-10-08 Thread Lyle Johnson

If I combine a K3 with an XV144 transverter:

- would I be able to use main and sub bands to simultaneously listen
to, for example, 40 meter CW and 2 meter FM -- controlling each
signal's volume independently through the same speaker?


I expect this would be the case.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
OH YES

Today's the Day, I can't wait
Hi


On 8/10/07 17:13, Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 ... a K3, KXV3 and a XV144 would only allow you to Rx/TX
 on one 2M freq at any one time
 
 Actually, I suspect it is possible to configure things so that you can
 *receive* on two different 2m frequencies if using a K3 equipped with
 Aux receiver.
 
 73,
 
 Lyle KK7P
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[Elecraft] Re: FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread wayne burdick

Lyle Johnson wrote:


... a K3, KXV3 and a XV144 would only allow you to Rx/TX
on one 2M freq at any one time


Actually, I suspect it is possible to configure things so that you can 
*receive* on two different 2m frequencies if using a K3 equipped with 
Aux receiver.


Yes. There are two ways to do this.

1. The main and sub can share the received signal coming from the XVTR 
IN jack, via the passive 3-dB splitter.


2. The sub receiver's aux RF input can be routed to the AUX RF BNC 
jack near the main antenna jacks. This jack could be connected to RX 
I.F. output of a second transverter. This would eliminate the splitter, 
although in practice, the NF of the system is established at the input 
to the transverter, not its I.F. But it would allow you to get the main 
and sub RX inputs from separate transverters if required. You could 
even use different I.F.s. The K3 allows you to set up each transverter 
band independently (up to 9 bands), and put the two receivers on 
different bands.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
That is just Fantastic and I have all components on order - is the 3-dB
splitter included in K3/100 or KXV3?
If not, I'll have to order one, but don't remember seeing that as an option


On 8/10/07 17:23, wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 Lyle Johnson wrote:
 
 ... a K3, KXV3 and a XV144 would only allow you to Rx/TX
 on one 2M freq at any one time
 
 Actually, I suspect it is possible to configure things so that you can
 *receive* on two different 2m frequencies if using a K3 equipped with
 Aux receiver.
 
 Yes. There are two ways to do this.
 
 1. The main and sub can share the received signal coming from the XVTR
 IN jack, via the passive 3-dB splitter.
 
 2. The sub receiver's aux RF input can be routed to the AUX RF BNC
 jack near the main antenna jacks. This jack could be connected to RX
 I.F. output of a second transverter. This would eliminate the splitter,
 although in practice, the NF of the system is established at the input
 to the transverter, not its I.F. But it would allow you to get the main
 and sub RX inputs from separate transverters if required. You could
 even use different I.F.s. The K3 allows you to set up each transverter
 band independently (up to 9 bands), and put the two receivers on
 different bands.
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: [PVRC] Today's Wall Street Journal

2007-10-08 Thread Ken Kopp

It may be that the WSJ requires a subscription to view this article.

If this is the case, I have the article and will forward it to anyone
who wants it.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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or
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread Lyle Johnson

That is just Fantastic and I have all components on order - is the 3-dB
splitter included in K3/100 or KXV3?


It is an integral part of the KRX3.

Lyle

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: FT report on K3 subreceiver

2007-10-08 Thread wayne burdick
The passive 3-dB splitter is only needed with the subreceiver, and is a 
part of that assembly.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:


That is just Fantastic and I have all components on order - is the 3-dB
splitter included in K3/100 or KXV3?


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[Elecraft] [Fwd: WSJ.com - --- -. . -- .- -. .----. ... -... .. -.. - --- ... .- ...- . -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. .]

2007-10-08 Thread Jeff Stai

On 10/8/07, Brian F. Wruble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [on the elecraft list]:
  Front page article on Chuck Adams K7QO and his attempts to keep CW alive.
  Great article.  Picture of an Elecraft K-1 (I think) as well.
 
  73 de Brian W3BW

Yes, that is a K1.

When you email a link from the wsj.com web site, it is good for a few days - so follow one of these 
links and read it now!


73! jeff wk6i

ps: This is currently the 6th most emailed article today!


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[Elecraft] Attn: John, N8ELR

2007-10-08 Thread Ken Kopp

John,

Your server appears to be rejecting my e-mail(s)  


Do you have another address?

Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] OT: looking for a ride to Pacificon

2007-10-08 Thread John Shadle

Hi,
I'm going to be visiting a friend in San Jose (actually Campbell) and am 
looking for a ride from there to San Ramon on Friday morning for Pacificon.


I won't need a ride back in the evening since we're headed out of town 
(camping) for the weekend.


Please reply off-list if you can help me out or know someone who can.

Thanks!
-john W4PAH
Chapel Hill, NC


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[Elecraft] FS: hard-sided case (photo)

2007-10-08 Thread John Shadle

Here is a link to photos of the case I am selling.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/b9/84/8b65_1.JPG

http://i8.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/b9/84/94a4_1.JPG

Thanks.
-john W4PAH


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[Elecraft] FS: hard-sided case for KX1

2007-10-08 Thread John Shadle

Hi all,
I have one hard-sided case for sale for the KX1. It has foam interior
and two locks outside.

Great for traveling. Very professional looking. These have been sold on
eBay in the past for $25 + shipping.

From a non-smoking home.

Please see the photos linked to in the previous post.

I will sell it to you for $20 + shipping (your choice, UPS, USPS, etc.).
Please contact me off-list.

Thanks!
-john W4PAH


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[Elecraft] K2 AGC Threshold Adjustment

2007-10-08 Thread Jim Stoneback

Hi,

When I built my K2/100 the threshold adjustment didn't go right, I turn 
trimmer R1 full CCW to get 3.74v on pin5 of U2 (full CW pin 5 goes to 2.6v). 
This adjustment is supposed to swing U2 pin 5 fom from 4 to 8 v.  I checked 
diode polarity, resistor values, everything but never did find the problem.


Now I'm building another K2 and have encountered exactly the same result. 
Anybody got a clue?


73,

Jim
Jim Stoneback
K4AXF
Drake SW8
K2.ssb.100 sn 6194
K2 sn 6263 (underway) 


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Fwd: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

2007-10-08 Thread Bill Tippett
Hi Richard,

W1EZ wrote:

 Hi Bill,

 I would like to balance the scales here a little bit.  First of all, I am
 not only an Elecraft fan, but a Flex-Radio fan as well.  I own a K2 as well
 as an SDR-1000.  I love what all these guys have done for Amateur Radio in
 the past few years.  We are all the beneficiaries of their excellent
 engineering and competitive spirits.

  And add excellent customer responsiveness by both companies
through forums like this!  Ten-Tec is also much more responsive than
the Big 3.

 After some long and hard thinking, I chose the SDR-5000A over the K3.  I
 think the specs are very close and either rig will do better than anything
 I've ever owned before, including the K2, the SDR-1000 and an Icom 756PRO.
 And all of those rigs were more than adequate in my location.  Of course,
 your mileage and mission may vary.  I think the K3 and 5000A will both blow
 away the Icom - Yaesu competition costing many thousands more.

 I think your cost analysis is a bit overstated.  I don't understand why Flex
 Radio priced the 5000C so high.  I think a fairer comparison is with the
 5000A plus a stand alone computer.  I imagine that most hams would be able
 to use the computer currently in their shack.  I upgraded mine to a dual
 core AMD Athlon 64 X2 by throwing in a new motherboard, etc. for a few
 hundred dollars when I got the SDR-1000.  The CPU runs at less than 20% when
 running the SDR-1000 full bore.  For the $600 you mention for a PC, you can
 get more than enough machine off the shelf to run an SDR-5000A plus
 everything else in the shack simultaneously (e.g., logging program, PSK-31,
 etc.).  So now the calculation looks like:

 SDR-5000A$2799
 Computer   $600

 Total$3399, not $5098.  I don't think you need the $99
 knob.

 In my case I already have the computer, and I bought the radio just
 before the October 1 price increase, so my cost is $2499, or actually $2798
 with the ATU.

  Thanks for your analysis which is probably representative of
computer-savvy hams.  Not everyone has a dual-core processor with 2GB
of RAM (required for the 5000) running his station and I also question
how many would be willing to upgrade motherboards, processors, etc
themselves.  Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between our two
estimates.  In my case I only have a 250 MHz Win98SE system in my
shack, so I would need a completely new system.  As I implied
previously, IMHO the 5000A appeals to folks who love to tinker with
computers and software.  For those who don't, the 5000C Plug and Play
package may be probably more realistic.

 Ergonomically, I must say that I really like the computer GUI of the
 PowerSDR.  I was skeptical at first, and was reluctant to give up my knobs,
 but I don't even reach for them anymore.  Tuning is very smooth with a
 mousewheel, and its very easy to reach for other programs on the screen
 while operating by just simply moving the mouse.  I also like the fact that
 you can connect various programs to the PowerSDR program through virtual
 audio and port connections - that is you can, for instance interface a PSK31
 program to the radio audio and com port without any cables, etc.   You can
 have many such channels running simultaneously.  The radio should also
 improve over time as the software continues to evolve.  Very cool.

Again this gets down to personal preferences.  HF DX contests
are one of my personal interests.  I cannot imagine operating a
mouse/GUI as quickly as using the classical knob UI refined over some
50 years of contesting.  N6TR is probably one of the finest contest
operators in the world, who I believe has won the NCJ CW Sprint (the
most difficult contest in the world) more times than anyone else.
Tree is also very savvy about computers and software (he's the author
of TR-Log...a high performance contest program for SO2R), having even
written a robot program to control all TX, RX and logging functions
many years ago (i.e. no human involvement required!)  When I see top
contest operators like Tree switch to SDRs with GUIs, then I'll become
a true believer.  Tree is a beta tester for the K3 and is switching
from two TS850s to two K3s.  I know some VHF contesters are using SDRs
successfully, where the bandscope helps find stations on otherwise
dead bands, but the pace of VHF operation (i.e. QSOs/hour) is much
lower than in HF contests, where top operators make octaves more
contacts in the same period of time.

 But most of all for me, its about the bandscope.  I got hooked by the
 756PRO, and the SDR-1000 brought my addiction to a whole other level.  Its
 not just seeing, its doing.  Point and click tuning.  Point and drag tuning.
 Visual bandedge filter adjustments by dragging an edge.  Etc.  For me, this
 was the key deciding factor for going with the SDR-5000A rather than the K3,
 where to me, the other specs are very close.

 But in a perfect world, I'd own both.

The way I see it, the 

Fw: [Elecraft] [Fwd: WSJ.com - --- -. . -- .- -. .----. ... -... .. -.. - --- ... .- ...- . -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. .]

2007-10-08 Thread Ken Kopp
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Fwd: WSJ.com - --- -. . -- .- -. .. 
... -... .. -.. - --- ... .- ...- . -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. .]



BTW, it is currently the 4th most mailed WSJ article today.  Must be a 
bunch of people interested in this arcane grin subject.


4. One Man's Bid to Save Morse Code

Travis, K4TNT

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP 



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 AGC Threshold Adjustment

2007-10-08 Thread DolfinDon
Hi

This voltage will depend on the tolerance of the 8 volt regulator. If the 8
volt supply is on the low side of the tolerance then you will not be able to
reach the 3.8 volts. However 3.75 should be close enough as this is just a
ballpark adjustment. The final adjustment will be made later by turning the
AGC on and off and adjusting for no change in the background noise.

Don Brown

KD5NDB





- Original Message - 
From: Jim Stoneback [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 AGC Threshold Adjustment


 Hi,

 When I built my K2/100 the threshold adjustment didn't go right, I turn
 trimmer R1 full CCW to get 3.74v on pin5 of U2 (full CW pin 5 goes to 
 2.6v).
 This adjustment is supposed to swing U2 pin 5 fom from 4 to 8 v.  I 
 checked
 diode polarity, resistor values, everything but never did find the 
 problem.

 Now I'm building another K2 and have encountered exactly the same result.
 Anybody got a clue?

 73,

 Jim
 Jim Stoneback
 K4AXF
 Drake SW8
 K2.ssb.100 sn 6194
 K2 sn 6263 (underway)
 
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[Elecraft] CW Reverse

2007-10-08 Thread Mike Harris
Good day,

I use Logger32 with my K2 and I've just noticed that when loading a spot 
or doing a direct frequency entry it clears the CW reverse setting.  This 
looks like a Logger32 issue, direct frequency input from SD contest 
logging app leaves CW reverse intact.

Logger32 also cancels split which can lead to embarrassing circumstances.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 

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Re: [Elecraft] Need advice - which Elecraft rig for SE Asia?

2007-10-08 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Hi Vic
Just out of curiousity, have you metered the
K3's current draw in receive mode?  I
expect to use my K3 at 5w on FD next year, and
want to start planning for the battery/solar
bank to run it.
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message -
From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chris Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice - which Elecraft rig for SE Asia?


 Chris Wagner wrote:

  Is the K3's filters an improvement to the K2's variable one? Are
machines or
  people building the factory assembled K3s? Has someone compared K2 and
K3
  side by side? Thank you!

 The K3's filters are much better than the K2's, in terms of IMD
 performance and ultimate rejection.

 The K3 has both an analog noise blanker and a DSP noise blanker; the
 combination is effective against the Chinese radar (at least as heard in
 California!).

 Note the DSP noise blanker is different from the DSP noise *reduction*,
 which is an entirely different function. NR reduces background noise
 which makes listening more comfortable, but does not remove pulse noise.

 The K2 has an optional analog noise blanker and an optional DSP which
 provides an NR function. The K3 comes with the analog noise blanker, the
 DSP noise blanker, and the DSP NR function.

 All of the above are much more easily adjustable on the fly in the K3.

 I have listened to the K2 and K3 side by side and the K3 is much better
 in many ways. Of course, it is also bigger, more expensive, and more
 power-hungry (which might matter if you will run it from batteries).
 --
 73,
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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RE: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

2007-10-08 Thread Brett gazdzinski
The flex radio is making big strides into the AM community,
because it allows better then broadcast quality audio on TX, or
communications quality , or anything in-between, and also allows
tricks with the modulation, negative clipping, compression, EQ,
very good fidelity reception, and of course the band scope feature.

I am not fond of computers in the shack, don't contest or DX,
but the flex stuff is starting to look very interesting to me.
The 5000D? will have true diversity reception and 300 watts pep output,
computer built in, auto antenna tuner, built in power supply, and all 
sorts of other new things they will think up in the software...

Not sure what it will cost, but it looks like it will do whatever you 
want to do in radio.

It sure would be an odd mix in my shack, with all the 
homebrew vacuum tube stuff!

Brett
N2DTS




 


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Re: [Elecraft] Need advice - which Elecraft rig for SE Asia?

2007-10-08 Thread Vic K2VCO

Robert Tellefsen wrote:

Hi Vic
Just out of curiousity, have you metered the
K3's current draw in receive mode?  I
expect to use my K3 at 5w on FD next year, and
want to start planning for the battery/solar
bank to run it.


Yes, actually, it's about 1 amp.  It might be less if you don't have the 
100w amp installed; it doesn't seem to matter if you turn the power down 
to 5 watts with the amp in place. The second RX would also increase the 
current drawn.

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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[Elecraft] K2 headphone jack removal - a tip

2007-10-08 Thread Roger Stein
The time finally arrived to replace the headphone jack on my K2, #755.
I read over the various removal methods others had posted.  Some seemed
a little 'brutal' given the delicate nature of the component.

I had an Exacto razor saw blade in my tool drawer and that worked great!
The headphone jack has small stand-off 'dimples' on the bottom of it.
That allowed just enough clearance to insert the blade.

You must get a firm grip on the RF board and use the back stroke on the
blade rather than the push stroke or your own combination to cut through
the metal pins.

I removed one of the screws attached to the adjacent 2D fastener for a
better 'angle of attack' for the blade.

Then it is a matter of solder-wick or sucker to remove the remaining pieces
of the pin left soldered to the circuit board.

Don't forget to either whisk or blow the small metal filings off the circuit
board.

No band-aids were required!

73, Roger WA7BOC
K2 #755

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 AGC Threshold Adjustment

2007-10-08 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Jim
Since the problem is the same between two radios built
some time apart, I have to ask, are you using the same
meter?  If so, try borrowing one from a friend and make
the measurement.  It is possible your meter is a bit off.
At least, it's worth a simple test.
Good luck and 73
Bob N6Wg

- Original Message -
From: Jim Stoneback [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 AGC Threshold Adjustment


 Hi,

 When I built my K2/100 the threshold adjustment didn't go right, I turn
 trimmer R1 full CCW to get 3.74v on pin5 of U2 (full CW pin 5 goes to
2.6v).
 This adjustment is supposed to swing U2 pin 5 fom from 4 to 8 v.  I
checked
 diode polarity, resistor values, everything but never did find the
problem.

 Now I'm building another K2 and have encountered exactly the same result.
 Anybody got a clue?

 73,

 Jim
 Jim Stoneback
 K4AXF
 Drake SW8
 K2.ssb.100 sn 6194
 K2 sn 6263 (underway)

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Re: [Elecraft] Need advice - which Elecraft rig for SE Asia?

2007-10-08 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Thanks, Vic
I'll probably start my K3 with no PA, as I'm a full-time
QRPer.  That would help keep the drain down to some-
thing manageable.  Also no 2nd RX to start anyway.

What would be your impression of the difficulty of removing
the 100w PA to keep drain down for FD?

Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message -
From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Reflector
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need advice - which Elecraft rig for SE Asia?


 Robert Tellefsen wrote:
  Hi Vic
  Just out of curiousity, have you metered the
  K3's current draw in receive mode?  I
  expect to use my K3 at 5w on FD next year, and
  want to start planning for the battery/solar
  bank to run it.

 Yes, actually, it's about 1 amp.  It might be less if you don't have the
 100w amp installed; it doesn't seem to matter if you turn the power down
 to 5 watts with the amp in place. The second RX would also increase the
 current drawn.
 --
 73,
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 IF amplifier output fault

2007-10-08 Thread Alan Ibbetson

Don et al,

I think I may have made forward progress.

With or without D40/D41 I cannot get more than about 10mV at the output 
of the MC1350 IF amp when performing the IF Amp Saturated Output test. 
This is with the RF gain at minimum and as much signal into the antenna 
jack as my sig gen can produce (3V RMS PD).


However, why would Elecraft have me do this test with the RF gain at 
minimum? We are trying to produce as much output as possible. So I set 
the RF gain to maximum and now there is 280mV of signal at the output of 
the IF amp, which is what the manual predicts. Although there is no 
figure quoted, I find I need 1mV from the sig gen to produce the 150mV 
for the next test (2nd crystal filter loss measurement).


The receiver goes on to pass all the subsequent tests. Having peaked the 
input filters and re-run the BFO calibration I measure the MDS in 700Hz 
to be -132dBm with the preselector off and -138dBm with it on. This is 
within experimental error of the specs in the manual.


So, the receiver isn't deaf. However, it still sounds very quiet to me. 
7mV of audio hiss at full volume (yes, within spec) is just not loud at 
all.


Sorry to have wasted everyone's time, although I do think the manual 
either misprints minimum RF gain when it means maximum, or they really 
do expect you to pump much more than 3V (+23dBm) into the poor thing!


73,

Alan G3XAQ

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Wilhelm 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Alan,

Those levels listed in the manual were developed before the Strong 
Signal Handling diodes D40 and D41 were added to the design.  Lift one 
end of both diodes and re-test the Saturated IF Amplifier test - the IF 
amp may not saturate fully with the diodes in place.  While that may 
not be the full answer to your problem, it may provide some additional 
insight.


Do you have your BFOs adjusted properly for the signal pitch you are 
attempting to receive?
Do you have the KDSP2 installed?  If so, temporarily remove it and 
replace with jumpers in the headers to substitute for R18 and R19.


Another side note - your HP6840 can inject a 4913 kHz signal directly 
into the IF amp if you remove the SSB board (or in the W3 jumper 
position if the KSB2 is not installed).  That may or not be helpful, 
but it can give another data point.


73,
Don W3FPR

Alan Ibbetson wrote:

I'm working on K2 S/N 4590 (Rev B pcb). The receiver suffers from the
dreaded low audio output fault, meaning it's short on overall gain.
Sensitivity tests show it to be deaf. Although 50uV RMS PD does show
near s9 on the meter (s7 to s9 depending on band), reducing the generator
output from this -73dBm by 30dB drops the S meter to s1. Another 10dB
reduction in generator level (to -113dBm) makes the signal disappear, so
the MDS is more than 20dB poorer than expected.

I've followed the signal tracing procedure in Appendix E of the 
manual. It all
looks OK, with signals within a few dB of the expected values, 
until  I get
to the IF Amp Saturated Output test. There should be up to 300mV of 
output with large input signals. No matter what input signal level I

use at the antenna, even levels as high as 1V RMS, I cannot get more
than about 10mV RMS on pin 8 of U12, the output of the MC1350 IF amp
chip. I get D40/D41 going into hard limiting long before I reach 1V 
antenna input. The 8v DC supply looks OK; the voltage drop across R112 
suggests the chip is drawing 7.3mA. Also, and probably as a 
consequence of the low IF output, I can't get more than 5V of AGC at 
pin 1 of U2 on the control board, and AGC test 8 says I should get 6.9V.


I've lifted one end of R111, the swamping resistor across L34, and it 
measures 5K6 as expected. I've replaced the MC1350 chip and it has 
made no difference. The 10mV or so of signal at the output of the chip 
does seem to get through the second xtal filter OK and is down 
converted to audio by U11 with a voltage conversion gain of 2, as expected.


My test gear is an HP 8640B sig gen, a Boonton 92B RF millivoltmeter, 
and a Fluke 8842A multimeter. I have no reason to suspect them of 
lying.


It looks like there is a fault around the output circuit of the IF 
amplifier. I

wonder if anyone else has heard of faults here? I can find nothing on the
reflector archives. I'm only mildly suspicious of L34, the Toko 4.7uH 
output

inductor. Do they ever fail? This one shows a resistance of 0.3 ohms,
measured in-circuit. Is this reasonable? I measure 2450R from U12 
pins  1 or 8 to earth.


Unsoldering L34 for examination will be a major effort. Before I 
embark on

that journey, I wonder if anyone has any insights? Can someone confirm I
really should be seeing over 150mV of RF at the output of U12 with very
big antenna input signals?





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[Elecraft] Attn: Dave W1EUY

2007-10-08 Thread Ken Kopp

Dave,

Be alert for another incomng message from me.

Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 IF amplifier output fault

2007-10-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Alan,

Great to hear that you have found success.

Yes, I do believe that manual has an omission.  It would be difficult to 
saturate the IF amp with the RF Gain set to minimum.


I believe you are reading from Appendix E page 12 - while on page 11, it 
says to set the RF Gain to minimum (necessary for item 7 on page 12), 
but item 8 should include setting the RF gain to 'maximum' if I 
understand what is being tested correctly.


The K2 is quiet with no signal - it was designed to be that way.  The 
other factor is that most receivers have much more reserve audio output 
power than the K2, so one cannot 'crank up the audio' and hear a LOT of 
noise, especially with no antenna connected.  It makes no sense to 
listen to the noise floor of the receiver at a loud level anyway.  If 
you connect an antenna you should hear the band noise above the receiver 
noise level (on the HF bands with any decent antenna).


One benefit to all your trouble - at least you know the K2 will stand a 
+23 dBm signal at its input with no ill effects!


73,
Don W3FPR

Alan Ibbetson wrote:

Don et al,

I think I may have made forward progress.

With or without D40/D41 I cannot get more than about 10mV at the 
output of the MC1350 IF amp when performing the IF Amp Saturated 
Output test. This is with the RF gain at minimum and as much signal 
into the antenna jack as my sig gen can produce (3V RMS PD).


However, why would Elecraft have me do this test with the RF gain at 
minimum? We are trying to produce as much output as possible. So I set 
the RF gain to maximum and now there is 280mV of signal at the output 
of the IF amp, which is what the manual predicts. Although there is no 
figure quoted, I find I need 1mV from the sig gen to produce the 150mV 
for the next test (2nd crystal filter loss measurement).


The receiver goes on to pass all the subsequent tests. Having peaked 
the input filters and re-run the BFO calibration I measure the MDS in 
700Hz to be -132dBm with the preselector off and -138dBm with it on. 
This is within experimental error of the specs in the manual.


So, the receiver isn't deaf. However, it still sounds very quiet to 
me. 7mV of audio hiss at full volume (yes, within spec) is just not 
loud at all.


Sorry to have wasted everyone's time, although I do think the manual 
either misprints minimum RF gain when it means maximum, or they 
really do expect you to pump much more than 3V (+23dBm) into the poor 
thing!



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[Elecraft] Griffin EarJams

2007-10-08 Thread Chris Kantarjiev

My XYL came home with these last weekend:

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/earjams/

She has small ears, and couldn't get her ipod's earbuds to stay in.
These worked out really well for her. That used up only one pair - the
other pair happen to fit the earbuds I use with my K2 (I don't have a
set of headphones that I like for radio work...)

Wow, what a difference! They're not kidding about increasing the volume
and isolation. I typically kept the AF pot between 9 and 12 o'clock; now
I rarely get it as high as 9 o'clock (in fact, the earbuds may be *too*
sensitive).

An interesting artifact of this is that at the very bottom of the AF
pot's range, there seems to be an area where I can hear very weak
signals but the atmospheric noise hasn't quite come in...

The only downside is that she needs to stand in front of me to get my
attention when I'm playing radio :-)

These might be really good for my KX1, which is always too quiet...

73 de chris K6DBG

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RE: [Elecraft] K2 IF amplifier output fault

2007-10-08 Thread Brett gazdzinski
It is a quiet receiver.
The only thing quieter I have run into, that still
hears weak signals, is my homebrew single conversion
receiver, and that is likely not as sensitive as the K2.

On both receivers, I have made the mistake in thinking
the antenna fell down, and gone outside to look.

Now I mostly hang out on 80 and 40 meters, and when its quiet,
it has fooled me more than once into checking the antenna.

Its sort of like the old days before all that noisy high gain IC chips
came out, when you had simple tube type receivers without preamps, when
it was quiet, it was quiet.

Nowadays, when its quiet, its not as noisy...

Brett
N2DTS

 



 So, the receiver isn't deaf. However, it still sounds very 
 quiet to me. 
 7mV of audio hiss at full volume (yes, within spec) is just 
 not loud at 
 all.
 
 Sorry to have wasted everyone's time, although I do think the manual 
 either misprints minimum RF gain when it means maximum, or 
 they really 
 do expect you to pump much more than 3V (+23dBm) into the poor thing!
 
 73,
 
 Alan G3XAQ
 



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[Elecraft] XV50: Problem with Errata C-4

2007-10-08 Thread JT Croteau
I'm trying to build my first XV, an XV50, and I just hit a road block.

First, the page number references in the C-4 Errata don't match those
in my Rev. C manual.

#1 Page 25, Right Column, Second Step: Remove L17 from the list.  (The
tuning slug for L17 should be left in the inductor).

I'm confused by this for a couple reasons.  First, page 25 has no
reference to L17.  In fact, on page 25 you are just wrapping up the
front panel assembly.  Second, where you are about to install L17 on
page 33, there is no mention about removing any of the slugs.  It just
says to run the cores up and down and then set near the top of the
coil.  On page 34, you solder them in.

So, what am I actually supposed to do with L17?  Install it as normal?

Then, the next step:

#2 Page 25, Right Column, Second Step: After L10 add In the XV50,
the inductor is a toroid and has no slug.

Ok, I think I can figure this out but, again, the page numbers don't
match and it actually references the same step as the first item.

The page numbers for the remaining steps 3, 4, and 9 also don't seem
to make sense but they are alignment issues and I think I can figure
them out.

I am really becoming disappointed with the quality of Elecraft's
documentation of late.  I had a number of documentation issues with my
Rev. G manual K2 build.  Several parts were substituted with different
parts and not documented in any type of Errata and there were several
formatting issues with the parts tables.  Several part numbers were
cut off and/or didn't fit in the cells.  I had emailed my
documentation issues as I found them to Elecraft but I only ever
received a reply on one of them.  I hope the problems with the
documentation aren't signs that Elecraft is too narrowly focused on
the K3 at the moment and neglecting current products.

Thanks for any help on just what to do with L17.  I presume I'm to
just install it as I do L15 and L16.

-- 
JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx)
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Re: [Elecraft] Griffin EarJams

2007-10-08 Thread Bill W5WVO

Chris Kantarjiev wrote:


An interesting artifact of this is that at the very bottom of the AF
pot's range, there seems to be an area where I can hear very weak
signals but the atmospheric noise hasn't quite come in...


This is fascinating. It could be an artifact of the radio's design, or... 
Could we possibly be seeing a process here in which the dynamic range of the 
human ear/wetware is being increased by lowering the amplitude range of the 
input? Maybe mammalian ears evolved to work better (i.e., more 
discrimminatingly) at lower volume levels... This might make sense in 
evolutionary terms, when you come to think about it.


Bill W5WVO 


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Re: [Elecraft] Griffin EarJams

2007-10-08 Thread Chris Kantarjiev

Bill W5WVO wrote:

Chris Kantarjiev wrote:


An interesting artifact of this is that at the very bottom of the AF
pot's range, there seems to be an area where I can hear very weak
signals but the atmospheric noise hasn't quite come in...


This is fascinating. It could be an artifact of the radio's design, 
or... Could we possibly be seeing a process here in which the dynamic 
range of the human ear/wetware is being increased by lowering the 
amplitude range of the input? Maybe mammalian ears evolved to work 
better (i.e., more discrimminatingly) at lower volume levels... This 
might make sense in evolutionary terms, when you come to think about it.


Or my ears could be broken :-)

Now that you mention it, though, it mimics my experience at louder 
volumes, where turning the AF gain *down* makes the signal stand out 
more and copy easier.


I was just really surprised to hear the volume of the noise seem to come 
up separately from the signal. And pleased to find that I could hear the 
signal with the EarJams on, and that it was completely missing with them 
off ... but I don't have a closed headphone to compare with.


All this will probably be moot in, oh, a couple of years when the 
sunspots come back :-)


73 de chris K6DBG
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[Elecraft] Rig Control

2007-10-08 Thread Thom LaCosta
I am using Puppy Linux and have installed FLDIGI.  Is anyone using this to 
control their K2 and/or the K3?


Being a Linux dummy...I would be willing to install some other logging/control 
program, IF there are howtos for the Linux impaired.


Thanks

73 - k3hrn

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[Elecraft] EarJams and Fletcher-Munsen

2007-10-08 Thread Neal Enault
The perceived reduction of noise, when listening at lower volumes, can well 
be related to the Fletcher-Munsen effect.  The response curve of the human ear 
changes relative to the input level.
   
  The human ear responds best to mid-frequencies at low volume levels, and low 
and high frequencies are considerably attenuated.  As the level increases, the 
response curve tends to flatten out.  The loudness control on many stereos 
changes the response curve to compensate for this deficiency.
   
  Don't ask me to test it - I wear hearing aids.
   
  Neal WA6OCP
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[Elecraft] HI CUR question

2007-10-08 Thread Larry Naumann
I sometimes get a HI CUR warning on my new K2. I have the high current set at 
2.5 amps. My power supply is steady but on 40 meters when the SWR is slightly 
high but below 2:1, I get a HI CUR when running 10 watts out. Into a good 50 
ohm dummy load I get 2.02 amps on 40 meters. 
 I've double checked my output filter tuning and all is good. 
Is this something to be concerned about or is this in the normal range of xmit 
current at 10 watts?
Larry Naumann  N0SA
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[Elecraft] Fried N-Gen - what components to reorder?

2007-10-08 Thread Andrew Moore
I accidentally transmitted into my Elecraft N-Gen wideband noise
generator and now it doesn't generate noise.  Surprise, surprise.

I assume I need to replace the MAR-1.  As long as I'm ordering, what
other parts might need replaced?

--Andrew
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Re: [Elecraft] HI CUR question

2007-10-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Larry,

The bare K2 (no KAT2, no KPA100, no KAT100) will respond like that if 
the antenna load has an impedance less than 50 ohms - it is not likely 
to happen when the antenna feedpoint impedance is higher than 50 ohms.


It all has to do with the way the basic K2 handles its power control - 
it assumes that the load is 50 ohms and measures the RF Voltage at its 
output and adjusts the power until it is correct (or runs out of gain).  
When the impedance at the K2 output is lower than 50 ohms, it takes more 
power to produce the required RF voltage, so your K2 puts out more power 
- however the K2 does not know it is producing more power because the RF 
voltage is still low.


Your Hi Cur messages are the result the K2 producing this higher power 
level.
Conversely, if your antenna feedpoint impedance were higher than 50 
ohms, the K2 would not actually be producing as much power as it thinks 
it is, and you would see a lower current.


This condition is not likely to damage the K2, but if you want real 
power output indication you will have to use a tuner of some sort to 
produce a 50 ohm resistive load for the K2.  The KAT2 or KAT100 will do 
that, and also have a real wattmeter included so the K2 power control 
circuits will not be dependent on the SWR.


73,
Don W3FPR

Larry Naumann wrote:
I sometimes get a HI CUR warning on my new K2. I have the high current set at 2.5 amps. My power supply is steady but on 40 meters when the SWR is slightly high but below 2:1, I get a HI CUR when running 10 watts out. Into a good 50 ohm dummy load I get 2.02 amps on 40 meters. 
 I've double checked my output filter tuning and all is good. 
Is this something to be concerned about or is this in the normal range of xmit current at 10 watts?


  

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Re: [Elecraft] Fried N-Gen - what components to reorder?

2007-10-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Andrew,

Replace the MAR-1 and, in all likelihood, everything will work just 
fine.  Of course if the power level was quite high, you might want to 
look for charred components.


I have done that 'stupid trick' several times myself.  I try to put the 
K2 into CW Test state as a precaution, but sometimes it 'just happens'.


73,
Don W3FPR

Andrew Moore wrote:

I accidentally transmitted into my Elecraft N-Gen wideband noise
generator and now it doesn't generate noise.  Surprise, surprise.

I assume I need to replace the MAR-1.  As long as I'm ordering, what
other parts might need replaced?


  

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[Elecraft] Re: CX Report

2007-10-08 Thread Sandy
There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is the time to 
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the mode.


The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms hell 
for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will get worse as 
modes like CW and AM become obsolete in their eyes.


There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small slice of the 
band.  Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these 
assigned segments.  The penalty would be disqualification of log for 
those who do so.  This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others stand 
by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE 
band with their fun!


There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole 
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the 
contests.


I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually 
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid stepping 
on the toes of those who wish not to participate.


Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
- Original Message - 
From: David Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report



Sandy,

I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling CQ YL and at 0Z
the North American Sprint came on.  These guys tried to steam roll me.
K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.  Moved to 40 to 
get

away from them.

This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to SSB from CW as
some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.

A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and almost no one
came.  Now they and those sprints are all over plus there is a RTTY one
every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see posts about
them).  Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and now those
sprints are weeknights.

I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around for years and
quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off the map.  Too
bad.

What to do?  I have complained to the three or four people who CONTROL
contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.

73 Dave K4JRB




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Re: [Elecraft] Fried N-Gen - what components to reorder?

2007-10-08 Thread John D'Ausilio
order a few, it won't be the first time :)

de w1rt/john

On 10/8/07, Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andrew,

 Replace the MAR-1 and, in all likelihood, everything will work just
 fine.  Of course if the power level was quite high, you might want to
 look for charred components.

 I have done that 'stupid trick' several times myself.  I try to put the
 K2 into CW Test state as a precaution, but sometimes it 'just happens'.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Andrew Moore wrote:
  I accidentally transmitted into my Elecraft N-Gen wideband noise
  generator and now it doesn't generate noise.  Surprise, surprise.
 
  I assume I need to replace the MAR-1.  As long as I'm ordering, what
  other parts might need replaced?
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] NAQCC October Sprint

2007-10-08 Thread Larry Makoski
This Tuesday evening, the North American QRP CW Club will be holding its 
monthly sprint.


Here are the particulars:

Date and time:
Wednesday  October 10th, 0030-0230 UTC
(Remember that's Tuesday evening here in the USA)  That's  8:30 - 10:30 
EDT, 7:30 - 9:30 CDT, 6:30 - 8:30 MDT and 5:30 - 7:30 PDT.


Bands - Frequencies:
80M - 3555-3565 kHz (Be courteous to FISTS operating on 3558 kHz)
40M - 7039-7050 kHz (Avoid W1AW on 7047.5 kHz).
20M - 14059-14065 kHz. General:
A particular station may be worked once on each band. Operate CW only.
All licensed amateurs are invited to participate, but only those 
operating QRP (5 watts or less) are eligible for awards.


Call: CQ NA

Exchange:
RST - SPC (State Province or Country) - NAQCC Nr.
(non-Members substitute power level for NAQCC Nr., e.g. 5W, 1W, etc. Be 
sure to add the W.)


QSO Points:
QSO with a Member, 2 points.
QSO with a Non-member, 1 point.

Multipliers:
Each USA state
Each VE province
Each country except W/VE
All multipliers count only once in the contest.

Bonus:
If you use only a straight key for the entire sprint, multiply your 
score by 2.

If you use only a bug for the entire sprint, multiply your score by 1.5.
If you key with anything other than a straight key or bug, there is no 
bonus multiplier.


Categories:
SWA - simple wire antennas - for those using a simple wire antenna per 
NAQCC definition.

GAIN - gain antennas - for those using other than a simple wire antenna.

Special Award:
Our special award this month goes to the one who has the most QSO's with 
our special event call N3A/# in their log. We will have N3A/# calls from 
all 10 call areas active in the sprint. In case of a tie, the SA goes to 
the one with the highest score. If a 1st or 2nd place certificate winner 
also qualifies for winning the SA, the SA goes to the next highest 
scorer. That is because we want as many members as possible to receive 
one of our certificates. You must indicate in your report if you are 
applying for the SA, and how many N3A/# QSO's are in your log.


The following are our operators:

1 call area - N3A/1 - N1LU (NH)
2 call area - N3A/2 - KD2MX (NJ)
3 call area - N3A/3 - WY3H (PA)
4 call area - N3A/4 - AA4W (FL)
5 call area - N3A/5 - AE5BH (TX)
6 call area - N3A/6 - K6BBQ (CA)
7 call area - N3A/7 - WY7N (UT)
8 call area - N3A/8 - WB8LZG (MI)
9 call area - N3A/9 - W9ILF (IN)
0 call area - N3A/0 - NO2D (CO)

Prize:
We have TWO prizes this month.

Karl N3IJR has kindly donated a Hendricks DC40 QRP Transceiver kit to be 
given away in honor of the NAQCC's 3rd Anniversary this month. Club 
President Tom WY3H has decided it will be awarded to the highest scoring 
MEMBER who has never previously won a 1st or 2nd place certificate in 
our sprints nor won any other physical prize. In case you don't remember 
if you've ever won anything, here is a list of winners. Club officers 
not eligible. So if you qualify to be a winner, get geared up for a 
maximum effort this month to win this very nice prize. Tie breaking 
procedures will be the same as for our regular CD's giveaway below.


Continuing this month we are giving away a set of CD's to one 
participant according to the following rules:


1. The participant meeting the requirements below and posting the 
highest score will be the winner of a set of CD's in the following 
months: July, August, September, October, November, January, February, 
March, April, and May.
A. Requirements: The participant must be a NAQCC member and can not have 
won a CD set previously. Previous winners are:

K4BAI (Jul 07)
K1EV (Aug 07)
KI4GLH (Sep 07)
B. If the highest scorer does not meet the requirements, then the CD set 
winner will be the next highest scorer who does meet the requirements.


REMEMBER: You HAVE to be a NAQCC member to be eligible to win the CDs; 
and there's still plenty of time to join before Tuesday  night's sprint. 
To join the NAQCC, please visit: http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel//joinup.html


Entry Deadline:
All entries must be RECEIVED before 2400Z on October 16th 2007. So 
submit as soon as possible, especially regular mail entries.


NEW! NEW! NEW!
Be sure to use the new NAQCC Sprint Autologger feature!  Please visit 
http://home.alltel.net/johnshan/sprintlog.html after the Sprint to send 
in your entry!


For further information, please visit:  
http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel//sprintrules.html



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[Elecraft] Melbourne Florida hamfest this weekend

2007-10-08 Thread Doug Shields
Hello everyone,
We are trying to organize an Elecraft table for the Melbourne, Florida
hamfest this weekend.  Lisa is sending a banner and literature.  I can bring
my K2 to show off.  We need some help from some of the Elecraft faithful to
be sure that the table is staffed.  We also need a few folks to bring along
their Elecraft goodies to show off.  You don't need to know anything
special, just be willing to share your Elecraft experience.
If you can help at the table or if you want to bring along something to
display, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Any help will be very much
appreciated - and you will have a great time.

Doug Shields  W4DAS


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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

2007-10-08 Thread Richard Smith

W4VZ wrote:



 Thanks for your analysis which is probably representative of
computer-savvy hams.  Not everyone has a dual-core processor with 2GB
of RAM (required for the 5000) running his station and I also question
how many would be willing to upgrade motherboards, processors, etc
themselves.  Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between our two
estimates.  In my case I only have a 250 MHz Win98SE system in my
shack, so I would need a completely new system.  As I implied
previously, IMHO the 5000A appeals to folks who love to tinker with
computers and software.  For those who don't, the 5000C Plug and Play
package may be probably more realistic.


I may have given you the wrong impression.  Although I am capable of
changing a motherboard, I in no way meant to imply that such knowledge is
required or that changing a motherboard is necessary.  My point is that
computers and memory are pretty cheap and readily available today.  For the
$600 you mentioned, you typically get a pretty powerful computer right off
the shelf - with plenty of power to run the SDR-5000A (you don't need
dual-core - but they are pretty standard these days at this price).  No need
to change the motherboard or anything else.  I was trying to make the point
that, if you are a computer-savvy ham you can even save more money by
doing it yourself.  But a $600 PC right out of the box will work just fine.
Also, by all reports the SDR-5000A is plug and play with the PC - but I
guess you do need to be able to find the firewire port and load some
software.




Ergonomically, I must say that I really like the computer GUI of the
PowerSDR.


   Again this gets down to personal preferences.  HF DX contests
are one of my personal interests.  I cannot imagine operating a
mouse/GUI as quickly as using the classical knob UI refined over some
50 years of contesting.  N6TR is probably one of the finest contest
operators in the world, who I believe has won the NCJ CW Sprint (the
most difficult contest in the world) more times than anyone else.
Tree is also very savvy about computers and software (he's the author
of TR-Log...a high performance contest program for SO2R), having even
written a robot program to control all TX, RX and logging functions
many years ago (i.e. no human involvement required!)  When I see top
contest operators like Tree switch to SDRs with GUIs, then I'll become
a true believer.  Tree is a beta tester for the K3 and is switching
from two TS850s to two K3s.  I know some VHF contesters are using SDRs
successfully, where the bandscope helps find stations on otherwise
dead bands, but the pace of VHF operation (i.e. QSOs/hour) is much
lower than in HF contests, where top operators make octaves more
contacts in the same period of time.


I will admit that 50 years of contesting by turning a knob is a lot of
momentum to overcome.  You certainly can't argue with success, and I
wouldn't expect a top contesters to readily change their form and adopt a
new paradigm without some certainty of success.  Of course, they might just
get picked off in the next contest by someone who has.  I think there is
great efficiency in the PowerSDR GUI interface.  I'm a casual contester at
best so can only tell you my experience.  Being able to see the whole
spectrum at a glance and pick off signals instantly with a point and click
of the mouse seems to me to be ideal for contesting.  The resolution of the
PowerSDR bandscope is quite good and the ability to select stations on a
crowed band is quite remarkable - especially for CW.  Want to monitor
another signal, stick the second receiver on top of it with a single click
of the mouse.  Send the audio from different receivers to separate speakers.
You are already at the keyboard with logging and other control programs -
why keep reaching up to tune the radio?   I think it is just a matter of
time before some serious contesters adopt this new approach.



But in a perfect world, I'd own both.


   The way I see it, the K3 allows you to have both.  You have
the superior RX performance benefits (IMD, BDR  Phase Noise over a
wide spectrum) of a narrow front-end superhet rig *plus* an SDR
bandscope on the buffered IF output.  The K3 will allow  the latter
for a small increment (e.g. a $15 Softrock40, free Rocky software or
even PowerSDR, some additional isolation buffering, a $100 soundcard
and a 1 GHz 256MB (WinME or higher) computer (non dual-core).  I'm
guessing $400 is a reasonable increment.


Bill, I believe you are mistaken here.  Adding a bandscope to the K3 does
not give you the benefit of the SDR rig.  Yes, with your approach you will
be able to see signals in a bandscope format.  But for the SDR-5000A run by
the PowerSDR program, the bandscope is a fundamental part of the GUI for
controlling the radio.  You don't only see the signals on the bandscope, but
you tune to them by simply pointing and clicking on the bandscope.  You can
also drag the signal you want into your bandpass.  You can adjust 

Re: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

2007-10-08 Thread hank k8dd

Sandy wrote:
There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is the time 
to support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting 
the mode.


The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms 
hell for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will 
get worse as modes like CW and AM become obsolete in their eyes.


There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small slice of 
the band. 


The same thing happens when there is a major you name it contest .
The CW guys say the SSB guys run rampant all over the band ..
And the CW guys say the CW contesters run rampant all over the band .
The QRP guys say that when ever there is a non-QRP event on the band 

It's hard to restrict the running rampant.  As more and more of us 
retire it

should be less and less of a problem on weekends!

72  73HankK8DD


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Re: [Elecraft] Fried N-Gen - what components to reorder?

2007-10-08 Thread KBG Luxford

Hi Andrew,

An alternative might be to build N0SS Tom Hammond's noise gen circuit 
that you will find on his web site and also on the Elecraft site.  It 
uses a zener diode, a couple of 2Ns and a small handful of passive 
components.  I built one up on perf board last weekend in a couple of 
hours, and it works really well.  You don't need a printed circuit 
board, ugly style or Manhattan construction is quite OK.


73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

Andrew Moore wrote:

I accidentally transmitted into my Elecraft N-Gen wideband noise
generator and now it doesn't generate noise.  Surprise, surprise.

I assume I need to replace the MAR-1.  As long as I'm ordering, what
other parts might need replaced?

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