[Elecraft] UK Elecraft net report for Sunday 14th December

2008-12-14 Thread Dave G4AON
Conditions this week seemed poor initially, we managed with conditions
slowly improving. There were three new stations on the net which is
always a welcome sign.

Topics included:

Audio thump at switch on with the K3, is this a recent firmware issue or
not? Audio quality on AM broadcast and external speaker(s) compared to
the internal one, Logger 32 and the K3 USB adapter, Heil
microphone/headset connecting leads, Heil inserts, more on the recent AF
modifications - does it make any difference? PLL problems on 10m and 6m
with a new K3.

Stations were:

G0MJW, Mike
G0VGS, Ian
MM0XDG, David
GM0GAV, Gavin
G3YYD, David
MM0GPZ, Gordon
G4NWJ, Jim
GM0ELP, Doug

73 until next week.
Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80, Acom 1000, dipole


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Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Audio at startup

2008-12-14 Thread Joe G

I have done some research on this issue and the thread Loud audio blast on
power up is actually the same problem.

Is there a fix


Joe G wrote:
 
 K3 #2120
 Firmware 2.67
 
 On SSB and all bands, at startup audio is low (can still hear signal) and
 after about 2 seconds it increases.  This happens when AGC is either fast
 or slow.  I have turned RF Gain up to max and it still happens
 intermittently.
 
 Can somone give me some guidance
 
 


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[Elecraft] no station...

2008-12-14 Thread BA7NQ Terry
Hi,

I just built my K3, following the assembly manual, all is OK, and pass the
base test and calibration.

But, I can't hear any DX signal, only some strong broadcasting station and a
local ham station just 500 meter close my home.

My modal is, K3/100 + KXV3, any suggestion  is welcome!

 73! de BA7NQ Terry

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[Elecraft] Peculiarities of RF gain

2008-12-14 Thread Ignacy

K3 is fatiguing to listen on SSB for a long time because of lots of gain and
white noise on an empty band. One can try to reduce RF gain, but this works
differently in K3.

1. The range of RF gain control is limited.

2. While gain is reduced, the band noise does not seem to be reduced as
much. 

3. RF gain almost does not move S-meter so all S-meter readings with RF gain
reduced are incorrect.


Any ideas?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 no station...

2008-12-14 Thread Dave G4AON
Terry

Make sure you haven't the RX icon showing on the display, if you have
the RF is being routed via the KXV3 RF IN/OUT and is going nowhere
unless you either have a BNC/BNC lead on those sockets or an external
antenna on the RF IN.

I assume it transmits OK and that you have the filters correctly fitted?

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80


Hi,

I just built my K3, following the assembly manual, all is OK, and pass the
base test and calibration.

But, I can't hear any DX signal, only some strong broadcasting station and a
local ham station just 500 meter close my home.

My modal is, K3/100 + KXV3, any suggestion is welcome!

73! de BA7NQ Terry

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RE: [Elecraft] Transport Case for K3?

2008-12-14 Thread Terry Price
 Go to ebay and look for Pelican cases, either 1500 or 1600 series depending
on how much support gear goes with the rig. ND3F used my K3 in C6 with
keyer, cables, power supply all in a 1600 case and it would take the plane
running OVER the case to damage the radio. Plus, the cases are waterproof to
something like 25 feet and have a lifetime warranty.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cady, Fred
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:16 AM
To: jma...@k8nd.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Transport Case for K3?

Ditto the remarks on the cases Rose Kopp makes (elecraftcov...@rfwave.net).
I used one on the trip to C6 for CQWW but put it in my carryon. I've
travelled for years with the K2 (and took it too this year) by just wrapping
it with a largish piece of soft foam and then packing it in the checked
suitcase. Using Rose's case with some foam around the K3 would be OK in my
view for checked luggage.
Fred KE7X
 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Maass
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:00 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Transport Case for K3?


I'm looking for recommendations for a small padded case for a K3, which
could in turn be placed into checked luggage. I'd like something not much
larger than the radio itself, with space for the radio alone.

What have others found that will protect a K3 during transportation?


73,  Jeff Maass  K8ND
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Transport Case for K3?

2008-12-14 Thread Paul Christensen
Go to ebay and look for Pelican cases, either 1500 or 1600 series 
depending

on how much support gear goes with the rig. ND3F used my K3 in C6 with
keyer, cables, power supply all in a 1600 case and it would take the plane
running OVER the case to damage the radio.


An option with the 1500 series is the 1526, that gives you the ability to 
use foam or a convertible travel bag.  I use the foam for tough 
long-distance transports, and the bag when I'm on short travel visits


http://www.boss-safety.com/shop/pelican-1526-protector-case-with-convertible-travel-p-1664.html

Paul, W9AC 


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[Elecraft] K3 adjusting FLx gains

2008-12-14 Thread ni0c
I finally broke out my Elecraft XG-2 and performed the s-meter calibration on 
my K3.  While I was at it, I used the 
AFV measurement function of the K3 to check out the filter gain settings that I 
had previously setup by ear.  Of my 3 CW filters, one needed a one dB 
correction.  The rest matched up very well to the voltage output at the center 
of my 2.7 KHz filter.

73,
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[Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status

2008-12-14 Thread David and Dianne on Comcast

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone with a K3 Serial Number around 370 received their KDVR or 
received notice of its upcoming shipment?


Thanks in advance,

Dave N1LQ
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[Elecraft] Previous Firmware

2008-12-14 Thread Joe G

Where can I find copies of previos versions of official firmware

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status

2008-12-14 Thread BigAlT

Dave,
 I have Serial #974 and received an E Mail from La Vonna  (
account...@elecraft.com ) yesterday that my KDVR would be shipping within
the next 2 weeks. You might want to check  see if they sent you an E Mail
and didn't get a confirmation E mail back from you.
 73
 Al
 WB6HPF

David and Dianne on Comcast wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 Has anyone with a K3 Serial Number around 370 received their KDVR or 
 received notice of its upcoming shipment?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Dave N1LQ
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[Elecraft] DVR monitor function

2008-12-14 Thread Bill NY9H

The DVR works great ... yet I have a question or suggestion...

When I run SSB I have the monitor  level turned to 0 ( off)...
   and then I do not hear the memory playback
It is very strange knowing you are Xmiting, and not hearing what's going out.

Could there be a way to set a monitor level for the  playback of the 
memories???

different than the regular monitor level?

Am I alone in this blind xmit thought?

bill

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Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Audio at startup

2008-12-14 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Yes. In f/w test right now. 

No need for additional data. Thanks for the info from everyone! :-)

73, 

Eric  WA6HHQ
Elecraft
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From: Joe G jgsch...@verizon.net
Date: Sunday, Dec 14, 2008 3:32 am
Subject: Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Audio at startup
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net


I have done some research on this issue and the thread Loud audio blast on 
power up is actually the same problem.

Is there a fix


Joe G wrote:
 
 K3 #2120
 Firmware 2.67
 
 On SSB and all bands, at startup audio is low (can still hear signal) and
 after about 2 seconds it increases.  This happens when AGC is either fast
 or slow.  I have turned RF Gain up to max and it still happens
 intermittently.
 
 Can somone give me some guidance
 
 


-
Joe
W1JGS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status

2008-12-14 Thread Phillip Buckholdt

Got Mine 12/12/08

Phil # 609
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Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: KDVR Status



Hi Everyone,

Has anyone with a K3 Serial Number around 370 received their KDVR or
received notice of its upcoming shipment?

Thanks in advance,

Dave N1LQ
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] f/w 2.73/1.98 power calibration

2008-12-14 Thread Richard Ferch
Steve Ward said:

 I just applied the latest beta firmware as I have done many times 
 before, and it looks like this time my power calibration went out the 
 window.  I'm putting out about 70w on PSK31 when I dialed in 45.
 
 Just wanted to give folks a heads-up to watch their power output when 
 they start operating under new firmware, it might be time to re-calibrate!

It's more than just the power calibration. Even after calibrating power and
setting the requested power below 50W, with either 2.73/1.98 or 2.72/1.98
the power output on PSK31 (in DATA A) mode often exceeds the requested
power, which results in splatter. I have been having to constantly ride the
LINE IN and/or sound card output level controls in this weekend's PSK
contest to keep the power below 50W and PSK signal quality acceptable; I
have now switched back to 2.67/1.96 for the remainder of the contest.

73,
Rich VE3KI
K3 #1595

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[Elecraft] WTB: KX1

2008-12-14 Thread homo...@earthlink.net
WTB: Elecraft KX1 with KXB3080-m adapter  KXAT1
internal ATU.

Rich N4EX

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[Elecraft] LINE OUT output to low?

2008-12-14 Thread André Santos

Hello everyone! Greetings from northeast of Brazil!

I think this topic has somehow been discussed before but it was not
conclusive. Forgive-me in case I´m wrong.

While trying to make audio recordings using the K3 line level output and my
Marantz PMD620 handheld audio recorder
(http://www.d-mpro.eu.com/index2.php?CID=3Pid=139action=detaillang=eng) I
found out that the output level of the/my K3 (#1164) is not high enough to
make a good recording, no matter I turn the CONFIG LINE OUT to 100%.
Actually it is perhaps 40% lower of what (I think) is it supposed to be.

I´ve used the same Marantz recorder many times, plugged in others
receivers/transceivers, and most of the times I´ve to attenuate the input
level to avoid overload and distortion.

Is something wrong with my K3? Can the AF stage upgrade help me with that?
According to the project, what is the nominal line level output of the K3?

Thanks in advance.

André Santos, PT7AT

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[Elecraft] Not Elecraft - PA3AKE Project update - DDS

2008-12-14 Thread Giancarlo Moda
Hi all,

I have been talking to Colin Horrabin, G3SBI, and we spoke about the good work 
Meirtein Bakker, PA3AKE, is doing on his high performance analog front-end 
receiver using the H-Mode Mixer. 
Martein is a very good research engineer and amateur radio. With his knowledge, 
determination and attention, using homemade test equipment and a WG spectrum 
analyzer he has identified a design problem in the AD9910 which will probably 
also affect the AD9912 and other recent DDS chips by ADI. Colin was able to 
talk to Analog Device high speed DDS group in North Carolina. There was a great 
deal of reluctance to accept Martein's findings. Eventually they were able to 
duplicate his results and they were very grateful to Martein because the same 
mistake will not be made in their new designs. We have a very low phase noise 
with ADI 9910-12 DDS but we are discovering AM noise  a problem not present 
with the AD9951.
As Colin stated, the remarkable thing is that it has taken an amateur radio 
state of the art receiver project to identify this and it has not been found by 
Analog Devices big customers with all their high tech test equipment. 
The bad news is that it is unlikely there will be a chip revision, even though 
the fix is simple unless there is pressure from a major customer. Maybe this is 
a good pressure some of our colleagues could apply to ADI from their 
engineering key positions.
Analog Devices is a company we all have a lot of respect for. The high speed 
DDS chips are a major technical achievement and are useful to our hobby as 
Martein will show. During chip development the design team probably paid too 
much attention to results from their high tech measuring equipment when by 
design it rejected a device parameter they should also have been looking for.
Martein has just published an update to report on the evaluation of the AD9910 
DDS chip to be used as the DDS-Local Oscillator that complements the Down 
Conversion Frontend. The research regarding the AD9910 and especially its noise 
characteristics is finished. Those interested can visit his web page:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~martein/pa3ake/hmode/index.html

73 and with the occasion Season’s Greetings

Gian
I7SWX




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[Elecraft] Power runaway on 10m

2008-12-14 Thread Ignacy

Working in the 10m contest I noticed that K3 used some 25A of current. After
the calibration, teh following happens:

After a new calibration

Pwr/K2  PWR/LP-100   Curent
705812A-stable
100  8015A-stable
120  90 20A-up
At 120W set, the power increases in 1 second to 25A and the radio resets to
low power. When the current increases, the output power stays the same.

It seems that other bands are no problem.For example, on 160 teh power is
set to 120, LP-100 shows 119W, and the current is 16A stable.

Ignacy, NO9E

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[Elecraft] K3 No speaker audio

2008-12-14 Thread T Gahagan
I operated in the 10 meter contest for several hours yesterday using my K3 
and laptop computer using N1MM.  I noticed low audio and increased it by 
going to the Hi setting in the config menu.  It helped some but audio still 
seemed low.  Speaker audio finally failed completely.  Also, a component(s) 
somewhere smoked as I noticed a whisp of smoke rising from the ventilation 
slots near the PA.  I quickly pulled all power to the radio.  I have pretty 
much dismantled the K3 except for the front panel and cannot find any 
damaged components.


After reassembling the K3  and powering  it up and all seems to work 
normally except there is no speaker audio.  I noticed a similar failure 
occured with the K3 tested by the ARRL and mentioned in their report in 
January QST.  My next step will be to pull the front panel off and check out 
the DSP board.


I would really appreciate any ideas.

Todd, WA7U 


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[Elecraft] Possible utility program conflict?

2008-12-14 Thread Bruce McLaughlin
After some time noticing that my K-3 was looking rather lonely sitting all
by itself on the operating desk I felt that it would greatly benefit from
the addition of a sibling.  Hence, I ordered a second K-3 fully loaded.

It then came to me that perhaps the utility program may be confused by
presence of the two radios.  When it comes time to update firmware will the
single utility program know which radio it is dealing with or is
necessary, and possible, to have a second copy of the utility program on the
computer, one for each radio?  The configuration of the two radios will be
slightly different with a different lineup of roofing filters in each.

Somehow, I think one copy will be sufficient but since I have yet to
encounter this situation I thought it would do no harm to ask.  Any
information would be gratefully received.

Bruce-W9FU

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Re: [Elecraft] NG0R - K2 Build/Alignment Issue

2008-12-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

I just looked back at your prior Q7/Q8 measurements and noticed that you 
have less than 6 volts on the collectors - sorry that I did not notice 
that before.  That may be the sole reason for your low power output.  
When the voltage is low, a Hi Cur message will often appear, and the 
output power may be low.


The reason -- in the way that the K2 controls power, it operates in a 
closed loop that is looking for the requested power output - if the 
actual power is low, the K2 increases the drive to attempt to develop 
more power.  At the same time, if the voltage to the PA transistors is 
low, more current must be drawn to produce the requested power (P = V x 
I -- reduce the voltage and the current must increase to maintain equal 
power).


OK, here is my way of getting to the bottom of a problem like yours 
(part thoughts/questions, part things to measure and do):


For some reason, the Q7/Q8 collector voltage is low during transmit.  
Are you using a good power supply capable of more than 3 Amps output 
while maintaining a voltage of 12 to 14 volts?  Are you using a power 
cord with an adequate size wire?  I recommend #16 gauge, but #18 will 
likely be OK (but no smaller).  Are the connections to your power supply 
tight?  How about the soldering of the plug that goes into the K2?  If 
there are any doubts, measure the end to end resistance of the power 
cord (measure both the positive and negative leads - both are involved 
in conducting the current).


Check the voltage at the power supply output during transmit - if the 
voltage drops substantially there, you can blame the power supply (and 
there may be nothing wrong with  the K2).  Should you find yourself in a 
situation with a bad power supply and no suitable replacement, borrow 
the battery from your lawn tractor or something of that sort and run the 
K2 from that to test.


If the power supply voltage is holding up (at least 11.5 volts, prefer 
more) during transmit, you will have to find the place in the K2 where 
the large voltage drop is occurring.  During transmit, measure the 
voltage at these points in order:
1) The center of the input power jack (voltage should be the same as the 
supply less any drop in the wire).

2) The Anode of D10 (should be the same as above)
3) The Cathode of D10 (should be 0.1 to 0.2 volts less than above)
4) The Cathode of D12 (same as cathode of D10, but this checks the 
switch too).

5) The 'C' and 'B' pads of T3 (same as the cathode of D12)
6) The 'A' and 'D' pads of T3 (more than 0.2 volt less here indicates 
improper soldering of T3).

7) The collectors of Q7 and Q8 (should be the same as #6 above).

If all is working correctly, you should have a voltage on the Q7/Q8 
collectors that is only 0.3 to 0.5 volts less than at your power supply 
output.  Find out where the severe voltage drop is occurring and correct it.


73,
Don W3FPR


John Hoaglun wrote:

Hi Don  the group,
 
I replaced Q7, Q8, and Q11, and Q13 this morning.  The initial smoke test is

showing the same results.   I am probably going to take the radio to a
friend's house that has an o-scope and he is better at electrical theory
that I am. 


Your T5 is an interesting comment. Are there artifacts that we can check for
around T5?  



Plan for today:
1. I am going to go repeak the band pass filters on receive and transmit.
2. Retest band by band. (I will probably still have an issue)
3. Remove the W1 jumper, solder a small piece of coax jumper into place and
test independent of the Low Pass Filters.

I really need to determine if the problem is in one of three areas: Band
Pass, RF  bias, or LowPass.

Keep your thoughts coming... so far this is kicking my butt.

Thanks, JH

-
John Hoaglun
NG0R - EN25
http://www.hoaglun.com


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] 


John,

It is difficult to say because the 2 transistors are tightly coupled.

One thing I can say is that the emitter voltage is suspect.  Both emitters
are tied to the ground plane and should be at the same RF potential.  OTOH,
the difference between 24mv and 0.4mv could be expained away based on RF
pickup by the ground lead on the RF Probe - I don't know how long you probe
ground lead is, but if it is much more than 3 inches, it is suspect too.

The best method of analysis is substitution, but that means changing the PA
transistors.  Wait until you have the replacement transistors in hand and
just change them.  If that does not fix the situation, look more carefully
at T5, T4, and the low pass filters.

I can explain the HI Cur messages by going into detail about how the K2
controls power output, but for now, 'just believe' that one failing PA
transistor can cause that as well as power output at approximately half the
expected value.

73,
Don W3FPR

John Hoaglun wrote:
  

K2 Gurus... still looking for your magic.  :-)
 
Based upon some feedback from Gary I went poking around the radio with 
the RF probe. I 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 No speaker audio

2008-12-14 Thread Ignacy

See my message today. On 10m once I set the power high, the PA current
increase an the radio PA resets.  Bo problem on 12m. It is possibly that
something worse happens when the fuse is not working properly. AJ4F thinks
that it may be a broken capacitor although he thought of K2.
Ignacy, NO9E 
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RE: [Elecraft] Possible utility program conflict?

2008-12-14 Thread Dick Dievendorff
W0YK and I (and several others) have two K3s.  You'll need to attach them to
different COM ports if you want them connected concurrently. 
 
This is why the K3 Utility displays the K3 Serial Number in the Firmware
Versions group box on the Firmware page. You can run one copy of the K3
Utility and change ports on the Ports tab to switch from one rig to the
other.  This is what I'd recommend. Or you can launch a second copy of the
K3 Utility.  They share the same area for remembering the options you've
selected (but not what's installed in the radios, that is read from the K3
each time). 

Dick, K6KR

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce McLaughlin
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:58 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Possible utility program conflict?

After some time noticing that my K-3 was looking rather lonely sitting all
by itself on the operating desk I felt that it would greatly benefit from
the addition of a sibling.  Hence, I ordered a second K-3 fully loaded.

It then came to me that perhaps the utility program may be confused by
presence of the two radios.  When it comes time to update firmware will the
single utility program know which radio it is dealing with or is
necessary, and possible, to have a second copy of the utility program on the
computer, one for each radio?  The configuration of the two radios will be
slightly different with a different lineup of roofing filters in each.

Somehow, I think one copy will be sufficient but since I have yet to
encounter this situation I thought it would do no harm to ask.  Any
information would be gratefully received.

Bruce-W9FU

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[Elecraft] K3 CW mode and key-out

2008-12-14 Thread Evert Bakker (PA2KW)
After the latest firmware update I noticed that when in CW mode the Key Out
was switching with the Dit's and Dah's which wasn't the case before.

I only could prevent this by switching the VOX on at the front panel. I
guess the older version had automatically the VOX on, but didn't show it on
the display. The CW-delay with the digital potentiometer works as expected
and as before.

BTW: I had the QSK set at SEMI (now and before)

 

Was this an intentional change?

 

73's, Evert PA2KW

 

PS latest version of HRD and K3 firmware works at good speed now (a question
from me a couple of weeks ago)

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Re: [Elecraft] Not Elecraft - PA3AKE Project update - DDS

2008-12-14 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Thanks Gian, will be in touch about this ASAP.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

- Original Message - 
From: Giancarlo Moda i7...@yahoo.com

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Not Elecraft - PA3AKE Project update - DDS


Hi all,

I have been talking to Colin Horrabin, G3SBI, and we spoke about the good 
work Meirtein Bakker, PA3AKE, is doing on his high performance analog 
front-end receiver using the H-Mode Mixer.
Martein is a very good research engineer and amateur radio. With his 
knowledge, determination and attention, using homemade test equipment and a 
WG spectrum analyzer he has identified a design problem in the AD9910 which 
will probably also affect the AD9912 and other recent DDS chips by ADI. 
Colin was able to talk to Analog Device high speed DDS group in North 
Carolina. There was a great deal of reluctance to accept Martein's findings. 
Eventually they were able to duplicate his results and they were very 
grateful to Martein because the same mistake will not be made in their new 
designs. We have a very low phase noise with ADI 9910-12 DDS but we are 
discovering AM noise  a problem not present with the AD9951.
As Colin stated, the remarkable thing is that it has taken an amateur radio 
state of the art receiver project to identify this -


snip

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[Elecraft] K3 Subreceiver problem

2008-12-14 Thread 4CX250B
Hi All,
I installed my KRX3 last week and it seemed to be working well. However, today, 
during the 10m contest, I suddenly was unable to get any signals through it 
(just normal audio hiss). Now when I press the SUB button, I see a brief ERR 
PL2 message. I tried redoing the VCO calibration for the subreceiver, but at 
the end of the calibration routine it stopped and the display indicated E  
8 and ERR VCO   Unless I'm doing something stupid - always a possibility 
- I'm guessing the synthesizer in the subreceiver failed, but thought I'd see 
if anyone has any suggestions before I contact Customer Support.

FYI, this is my second K3 problem this month. The first was when an output xfmr 
on the KPA3 module shorted, during the CQ WWDX Test. Somebody up there doesn't 
want me to work contests with my K3!
73,
Jim W8ZR
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[Elecraft] LINE OUT output too low?

2008-12-14 Thread André Santos
Hello everyone! Greetings from northeast of Brazil!

I think this topic has somehow been discussed before but it was not
conclusive. Forgive-me in case I´m wrong.
While trying to make audio recordings using the K3 line level output and my
Marantz PMD620 handheld audio recorder (
http://www.d-mpro.eu.com/index2.php?CID=3Pid=139action=detaillang=eng) I
found out that the output level of the/my K3 (#1164) is not high enough to
make a good recording, no matter I turn the CONFIG LINE OUT to 100%.

I´ve used the same Marantz recorder many times, plugged in others
receivers/transceivers, and most of the times I´ve to attenuate the input
level to avoid overload and distortion.

Is something wrong with my K3? Can the AF stage upgrade help me with that?
According to the K3 project, what is the nominal line level output of the
K3?

Thanks in advance.

André Santos, PT7AT
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[Elecraft] Strange problem when switching modes from VFO A to B

2008-12-14 Thread Jack Colson
I have VFO A programmed for CW on each band, VFO B programmed for SSB 
(makes no difference which sideband ).  Power up the K3 on VFO A then 
switch over to VFO B and the signal generated is extremely distorted and 
sounds like it is being transmitted via a very narrow filter.  To 
correct this problem simply switch the mode from L or USB to CW and back 
again to L or USB.  Audio is then restored to normal.  I have the 
filters programmed correctly, the 2.7KHz filter is used for transmit.  I 
am using the ESSB mode with a 4 KHz filter.  This problem is independent 
of band.


I mentioned this to Gary who passed it onto Lyle and who was unable to 
make it happen.  I am using firmware 2.38 DSP 1.92.  I am waiting for an 
update which will fix the turn on audio spike before updating.


Any suggestions ?  It is just a nuisance getting a report of who is that 
calling!!!


73,
Jack, W3TMZ 


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] f/w 2.73/1.98 power calibration

2008-12-14 Thread Bob Cunnings
Have you tried adjusting TXG VCE? With latest firmware, a setting of
-2dB puts my PSK31 power right where it belongs for a given requested
power out. There's then no need to ride the audio input level, which
is a bad idea given the way the K3 ALC works.

Bob NW8L

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca wrote:
 Steve Ward said:

 I just applied the latest beta firmware as I have done many times
 before, and it looks like this time my power calibration went out the
 window.  I'm putting out about 70w on PSK31 when I dialed in 45.

 Just wanted to give folks a heads-up to watch their power output when
 they start operating under new firmware, it might be time to re-calibrate!

 It's more than just the power calibration. Even after calibrating power and
 setting the requested power below 50W, with either 2.73/1.98 or 2.72/1.98
 the power output on PSK31 (in DATA A) mode often exceeds the requested
 power, which results in splatter. I have been having to constantly ride the
 LINE IN and/or sound card output level controls in this weekend's PSK
 contest to keep the power below 50W and PSK signal quality acceptable; I
 have now switched back to 2.67/1.96 for the remainder of the contest.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI
 K3 #1595

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[Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade

2008-12-14 Thread -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.-

Does anyone have a commercial mic on their K3? I was thinking of getting a
Neumann TLM-103. Is it a lot of trouble to get this condenser mic working on
the K3? I have the 6 khz filter for am/ssb and for ESSB, so far I found that
it goes to 4 khz. Whats involved with this? 
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade

2008-12-14 Thread David Fleming
I use a TLM-103 for audio recording. It's truly a wonderful mic for recording 
vocals and acoustic guitar. But dang, Man! Ain't that a bit overkill? ;)

David, W4SMT


--- On Sun, 12/14/08, -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.- connectme...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.- connectme...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 9:23 PM
 Does anyone have a commercial mic on their K3? I was
 thinking of getting a
 Neumann TLM-103. Is it a lot of trouble to get this
 condenser mic working on
 the K3? I have the 6 khz filter for am/ssb and for ESSB, so
 far I found that
 it goes to 4 khz. Whats involved with this? 
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade

2008-12-14 Thread Gary Smith
I have a couple of these mics. The one problem you'll find imediately 
is you need phantom power for them. If you use a mixer board, you 
likely already have phantom power on it. I use a Mackie 1402 VLZ Pro 
but you can get a cheaper model on ebay. 

Or you can simply get a phantom power supply  Roland makes one  
that ought to be available on Eay also. 

The TLM is a nice mic. 

Gary 
KA1J 
 Does anyone have a commercial mic on their K3? I was thinking of getting a 
 Neumann TLM-103. Is it a lot of trouble to get this condenser mic working on 
 the K3? I have the 6 khz filter for am/ssb and for ESSB, so far I found that 
 it goes to 4 khz. Whats involved with this? 
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Re: [Elecraft] LINE OUT output too low?

2008-12-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

Andre,

I have not measured the K3 line out signal level - it does depend on the 
input signal level to the antenna.
However, it should work fine with most recording devices, unless that 
device presents a low impedance input (which would require more driving 
power).


You could try reducing the series resistors on the input side of the 
isolation transformers  (see page 8 of the K3AFMDKT instructions) which 
may help.  The mod kit addresses distortion, but should also help to 
increase the output level.


73,
Don W3FPR

André Santos wrote:


Hello everyone! Greetings from northeast of Brazil!

I think this topic has somehow been discussed before but it was not 
conclusive. Forgive-me in case I´m wrong.


While trying to make audio recordings using the K3 line level output 
and my Marantz PMD620 handheld audio recorder 
(http://www.d-mpro.eu.com/index2.php?CID=3Pid=139action=detaillang=eng 
http://www.d-mpro.eu.com/index2.php?CID=3Pid=139action=detaillang=eng) 
I found out that the output level of the/my K3 (#1164) is not high 
enough to make a good recording, no matter I turn the CONFIG LINE OUT 
to 100%.
 
I´ve used the same Marantz recorder many times, plugged in others 
receivers/transceivers, and most of the times I´ve to attenuate the 
input level to avoid overload and distortion.


Is something wrong with my K3? Can the AF stage upgrade help me with 
that? According to the K3 project, what is the nominal line level 
output of the K3?


Thanks in advance.

André Santos, PT7AT



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Re: [Elecraft] Strange problem when switching modes from VFO A to B

2008-12-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jack,

I don't know if it is relevant to your problem, but if you have ESSB 
mode set on, the transmit filter must be the 6 kHz filter instead of the 
2.7 kHz.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jack Colson wrote:
I have VFO A programmed for CW on each band, VFO B programmed for SSB 
(makes no difference which sideband ).  Power up the K3 on VFO A then 
switch over to VFO B and the signal generated is extremely distorted 
and sounds like it is being transmitted via a very narrow filter.  To 
correct this problem simply switch the mode from L or USB to CW and 
back again to L or USB.  Audio is then restored to normal.  I have the 
filters programmed correctly, the 2.7KHz filter is used for transmit.  
I am using the ESSB mode with a 4 KHz filter.  This problem is 
independent of band.


I mentioned this to Gary who passed it onto Lyle and who was unable to 
make it happen.  I am using firmware 2.38 DSP 1.92.  I am waiting for 
an update which will fix the turn on audio spike before updating.


Any suggestions ?  It is just a nuisance getting a report of who is 
that calling!!!


73,
Jack, W3TMZ
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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade

2008-12-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

You cannot use that microphone directly on the K3 because it requires 
phantom voltage (24 to 48 volts across the balanced lines).  You can 
certainly use the microphone on a mixer (Behringer 802 for example) that 
does provide phantom voltage and feed the output of the mixer to the K3 
(perhaps through an attenuator section unless you choose the K3 line-in).


73,
Don W3FPR

David Fleming wrote:

I use a TLM-103 for audio recording. It's truly a wonderful mic for recording 
vocals and acoustic guitar. But dang, Man! Ain't that a bit overkill? ;)

David, W4SMT


--- On Sun, 12/14/08, -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.- connectme...@hotmail.com wrote:

  

From: -.-. --.-N3TU -.-. --.- connectme...@hotmail.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 9:23 PM
Does anyone have a commercial mic on their K3? I was
thinking of getting a
Neumann TLM-103. Is it a lot of trouble to get this
condenser mic working on
the K3? I have the 6 khz filter for am/ssb and for ESSB, so
far I found that
it goes to 4 khz. Whats involved with this? 




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Re: [Elecraft] Strange problem when switching modes from VFO A to B

2008-12-14 Thread Dick Housden, W0NTA

Jack,

You are correct. I have had the reports of pinched audio and just cycle to
another band and back or switch sidebands and back and everything is OK.

I have duplicated what you report:

VFO A on CW and VFO B on SSB.

Turn off K3 while on VFO A - CW. 

Turn it back on and immediately switch to VFO B - SSB and the audio is
terrible. 

Cycle to other sideband and back and all is well again.

This only happens to me on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Other bands are
unaffected. Each time I have had a report of bad audio, it was on 40 meters.
Rarely operate 80 or 160 meters.

I am glad to find out how to get around this problem. I hope something can
be done with programming to fix it, though.

73, Dick, W0NTA


Jack Colson wrote:
 
 I have VFO A programmed for CW on each band, VFO B programmed for SSB 
 (makes no difference which sideband ).  Power up the K3 on VFO A then 
 switch over to VFO B and the signal generated is extremely distorted and 
 sounds like it is being transmitted via a very narrow filter.  To 
 correct this problem simply switch the mode from L or USB to CW and back 
 again to L or USB.  Audio is then restored to normal.  I have the 
 filters programmed correctly, the 2.7KHz filter is used for transmit.  I 
 am using the ESSB mode with a 4 KHz filter.  This problem is independent 
 of band.
 
 I mentioned this to Gary who passed it onto Lyle and who was unable to 
 make it happen.  I am using firmware 2.38 DSP 1.92.  I am waiting for an 
 update which will fix the turn on audio spike before updating.
 
 Any suggestions ?  It is just a nuisance getting a report of who is that 
 calling!!!
 
 73,
 Jack, W3TMZ 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] f/w 2.73/1.98 power calibration

2008-12-14 Thread Gregory Fischer
With DataA you need to adjust the LineIn gain so that you have 4 bars  
of ALC action.


73
Greg

On Dec 14, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Bob Cunnings wrote:


Have you tried adjusting TXG VCE? With latest firmware, a setting of
-2dB puts my PSK31 power right where it belongs for a given requested
power out. There's then no need to ride the audio input level, which
is a bad idea given the way the K3 ALC works.

Bob NW8L

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca  
wrote:

Steve Ward said:


I just applied the latest beta firmware as I have done many times
before, and it looks like this time my power calibration went out  
the

window.  I'm putting out about 70w on PSK31 when I dialed in 45.

Just wanted to give folks a heads-up to watch their power output  
when
they start operating under new firmware, it might be time to re- 
calibrate!


It's more than just the power calibration. Even after calibrating  
power and
setting the requested power below 50W, with either 2.73/1.98 or  
2.72/1.98
the power output on PSK31 (in DATA A) mode often exceeds the  
requested
power, which results in splatter. I have been having to constantly  
ride the

LINE IN and/or sound card output level controls in this weekend's PSK
contest to keep the power below 50W and PSK signal quality  
acceptable; I

have now switched back to 2.67/1.96 for the remainder of the contest.

73,
Rich VE3KI
K3 #1595

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for December 15th, 2008

2008-12-14 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Neither band was very happy tonight.  The first net gathered three check ins 
from Indiana, Oregon, and Minnesota.  The second net got two from Florida and 
California.  Forty meters had some ESP stations but I never got more than a 
couple letters and then they would change the next time I tried.  I did hear 
some tuners so there was some activity but not on ECN.  

On to the lists =

  On 14050 kHz at z:
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
NS7P - Phil - OR - K3 - 1826
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866

  On 7045 kHz at 0300z:
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657* QNI #150 *
W3TMZ - Jack - FL - K3 - 1169QNI #20!!

   Hopefully the future will be brighter.  But, the weather has turned out OK.  
It is cold, there is snow on the ground, but the water is still running, the 
power is still on, and the high winds forecast have disappeared.  So, all in 
all, it is OK.  I am glad I brought in all that extra wood in preparation for 
this storm.  It is warm in here and there is plenty of dry wood to keep it that 
way.  The 4WD folks are enjoying the winter wonderland driving by on the hour.  
Now that all the logging gates are open for hunting they get to go way back in 
the woods to try and get stuck.  They also provide me with a path out to the 
main road since it will not get plowed for a week or two.  
   Next week I expect the bands to be better; they cannot go far in the other 
direction!  Supposedly there is activity on the far side of the sun.  It may 
rotate into view during the week so we can gain some ionic input to the 
Heaviside layer.  Speaking of Oliver I was looking at the original Maxwell 
equations and find he and a friend simplified the system.  Yes, they do predict 
what we have come to enjoy but they also eliminated one quantity: magnetic 
potential.  I wonder what else the Maxwell equations could tell us if that 
simplification had not glossed over magnetic potential.  Are there some other 
interesting gadgets in those quaternion systems?  
   Until next week stay warm and stay well,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Upgrade

2008-12-14 Thread Jim Brown
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:23:39 -0800 (PST), -.-.  --.-N3TU -.-.  --.- wrote:

Does anyone have a commercial mic on their K3? I was thinking of getting a
Neumann TLM-103. Is it a lot of trouble to get this condenser mic working on

Yes, it is a LOT of trouble, and a complete waste of money for ham radio. 
First you need balanced phantom power, then a real mic transformer to connect 
it to the K3. There's no good reason for using a mic like this in ham radio.  
I'm using an EV RE16. It is ideally suited to ham radio, rejects noise in the 
shack, no proximity effect, no breath pops, etc. It works very well with 
every ham rig I've tried it with, including the K3. 

See http://HamInterfacing.pdf for details and a list of other great pro mics 
to use in your ham shack that cost a LOT less. 

BTW -- I own a lot of pro mics, including a pair of TLM170s. They're great 
for recording acoustic music, which is what I use them for. I wouldn't dream 
of using them in my ham shack. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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Fwd: [Elecraft] Strange problem when switching modes from VFO A to B

2008-12-14 Thread Gregory Fischer

Wayne is working on this bug and it should be fixed in the next release.

Thanks!
73
Greg


Begin forwarded message:


From: Gregory Fischer a...@cablespeed.com
Date: December 14, 2008 8:22:06 PM PST
To: Dick Housden, W0NTA w0...@arrl.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange problem when switching modes from  
VFO A to B


Dick,  I was able to duplicate your report.  I sent a note to Wayne  
and I am sure it will be corrected.


Thanks for the info!

73
Greg
AB7R

On Dec 14, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Dick Housden, W0NTA wrote:



Jack,

You are correct. I have had the reports of pinched audio and just  
cycle to
another band and back or switch sidebands and back and everything  
is OK.


I have duplicated what you report:

VFO A on CW and VFO B on SSB.

Turn off K3 while on VFO A - CW.

Turn it back on and immediately switch to VFO B - SSB and the audio  
is

terrible.

Cycle to other sideband and back and all is well again.

This only happens to me on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Other bands are
unaffected. Each time I have had a report of bad audio, it was on  
40 meters.

Rarely operate 80 or 160 meters.

I am glad to find out how to get around this problem. I hope  
something can

be done with programming to fix it, though.

73, Dick, W0NTA


Jack Colson wrote:


I have VFO A programmed for CW on each band, VFO B programmed for  
SSB
(makes no difference which sideband ).  Power up the K3 on VFO A  
then
switch over to VFO B and the signal generated is extremely  
distorted and

sounds like it is being transmitted via a very narrow filter.  To
correct this problem simply switch the mode from L or USB to CW  
and back

again to L or USB.  Audio is then restored to normal.  I have the
filters programmed correctly, the 2.7KHz filter is used for  
transmit.  I
am using the ESSB mode with a 4 KHz filter.  This problem is  
independent

of band.

I mentioned this to Gary who passed it onto Lyle and who was  
unable to
make it happen.  I am using firmware 2.38 DSP 1.92.  I am waiting  
for an

update which will fix the turn on audio spike before updating.

Any suggestions ?  It is just a nuisance getting a report of who  
is that

calling!!!

73,
Jack, W3TMZ

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