[Elecraft] Possible doublet configuration

2009-07-15 Thread Glen Torr
Hello All,

Following this thread with much interest. I need a stealth antena and
a doublet may do the job.
Could I feed my K3/100 with ATU into a BL2 right at the antenna
connector, the output of the BL2
to home made ladder line, (2 to 4 inch spacing) to a doublet approx
1/2 wavelength on the lowest
freq?

Is it OK to bring ladder line into the shack?

The 1:1 or 4:1 of the BL2 might provide matching options in difficult cases.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Glen VK1FB
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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread d.cutter
Can anyone point to why the single coil Z match wasn't commercialised rather 
than the T match?  (Perhaps it's a historical thing and manufacturers just copy 
each other, notwithstanding the Johnson Matchbox of course, which is no longer 
produced.)

I'm in process of building one to cover 160 to 10 from VK2BR (?).  I'm hoping 
that the link coupling will help with balanced feeders and antennas, though 
one side is bound to have more capacitance to earth than the other, so 
balanced is fairly relative.

David
G3UNA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity Rocks!

2009-07-15 Thread WA9VEE

Don't forget the I.C.E #196 product. This has stopped my COR activity, and
also isolates my MFJ-1026 noise antenna. And this is with the main antenna
starting at the tuner in the shack, and the 2nd receive antenna a floor to
ceiling vertical wire right next to the operating desk.

Wayne WA9VEE

Vic K2VCO wrote:
 
 Brett Howard wrote:
 So if we heard those relays switching then we're dangerously close to
 damage occurring?  We found that we'd be listening and usually right
 in the middle of a guy giving his call you'd hear a click and a short
 bit of muting in the RX...  Looks like swapping out for the AUX RF
 input isn't going to help me in that department.  Perhaps I'll get
 greater isolation between the two receivers in that configuration
 though.
 
 I don't really know what caused my problem. So I am saving my speculations
 for the next 
 time I feel I can take up Wayne's time. I do know that replacing the relay
 was a minor 
 pain in the butt and I don't want to take any more chances.
 -- 
 73,
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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[Elecraft] vfo A B set up

2009-07-15 Thread John Campbell, Jr.
My new, May 09, sn3012, K-3 works just fine. The following is how I would
like to set up vfo A  B, and so far I have been unable to do it  my way.
Either it is not possible, or I am just missing something in the manual
which at age 70 is more than likely the problem.

1.   Set up a 20 meter freq. in vfo A, (main) using ant #1.

2.   Set up a 6 meter freq. in vfo B ( sub) using ant #2.

 

If this is possible, than what I want to be able to do is work 20 mtrs,vfo
A, ant #1, and listen on 6 mtrs using the 6 mtr ant #2, not on the 20 mtr
ant on vfo A.

Also when working 6 mtrs on ant #2, I want to be able monitor 20 mtrs on ant
#1.

 

If this is possible, any help would be appreciated. One could answer here of
course, or direct to johncampbel...@brown-campbell.com.

My cell is 248-895-5085 just in case someone wants to call with info.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Possible doublet configuration

2009-07-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Glen,

Yes, you can certainly do that, and it should be quite efficient.
You can bring open wire feeders or ladder line into the shack - the old 
timers did that all the time.  The greatest problem is making the 
conductive path through the wall/window or other part of the structure.  
Replacing a piece of glass with plastic is often done, or with double 
hung windows, put a plastic panel beneath the lower sash and close the 
window on it.  Don't forget to leave a drip loop at the point just 
outside, otherwise rain will drip into the dwelling.

Like any other, the feedline length will act as an impedance transformer 
(a tuner does the same thing with lumped components) - so the matching 
range required may be quite large for some feedline lengths.  The 
switchable balun may help with that, but try to stay away from feedline 
lengths that produce a very low  or very high impedances in the shack 
because the balun can become ineffective at impedances far removed from 
its nominal 50 ohm or 200 ohm design points.

I will not give any specific antenna lengths and feedline lengths, but 
you can experiment with either the real antenna or do some work with the 
TLW software (download from ARRL website) to tell you what lengths will 
work for you.

73,
Don W3FPR

Glen Torr wrote:
 Hello All,

 Following this thread with much interest. I need a stealth antena and
 a doublet may do the job.
 Could I feed my K3/100 with ATU into a BL2 right at the antenna
 connector, the output of the BL2
 to home made ladder line, (2 to 4 inch spacing) to a doublet approx
 1/2 wavelength on the lowest
 freq?

 Is it OK to bring ladder line into the shack?

 The 1:1 or 4:1 of the BL2 might provide matching options in difficult cases.

 Thanks for any thoughts,

 Glen VK1FB
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Possible doublet configuration

2009-07-15 Thread Craig D. Smith


 Could I feed my K3/100 with ATU into a BL2 right at the antenna
 connector, the output of the BL2
 to home made ladder line, (2 to 4 inch spacing) to a doublet approx
 1/2 wavelength on the lowest
 freq?  Is it OK to bring ladder line into the shack?

This might work, but I think you will be better served with a few
modifications.  First of all, stay away from 1/2 WL on the lowest freq band,
as higher bands will be harmonically related and can give you difficult to
match impedances.  I use 105 ft for my 80 thru 10  contest antenna.
Secondly, stick with the published ideal feedline lengths and impedances,
for example 30 ft of 300 ohm line for the 105 ft doublet.  Ladder line can
be brought inside, but coax is MUCH more user-friendly and can avoid lots of
problems.  Keep it as short as possible.  Here, I use 6 ft of RG-213 to go
from the K3 to the window termination with the ladder line.  I've tried the
BL2, and it worked OK most of the time but sometimes got quite warm - not a
good sign.  Instead I made a choke balun consisting of 4 turns of LMR-240
wound on two of the Fair-Rite type 31 big clamp-on ferrites (Mouser PN
623-0431177081).  This unit works GREAT based on both impedance measurements
and my actual experience.  It sits right in the window opening and
interfaces the ladder line with the RG-213.   The K3 internal tuner works
just fine with this setup on 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10.  Haven't really tried
the WARC bands.

 73Craig   AC0DS

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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread d.cutter
That should be VK5BR Lloyd Butler

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/ldbutler/SingleCoilZMatch.htm

David
G3UNA

 d.cut...@ntlworld.com wrote: 
 Can anyone point to why the single coil Z match wasn't commercialised rather 
 than the T match?  (Perhaps it's a historical thing and manufacturers just 
 copy each other, notwithstanding the Johnson Matchbox of course, which is no 
 longer produced.)
 
 I'm in process of building one to cover 160 to 10 from VK2BR (?).  I'm hoping 
 that the link coupling will help with balanced feeders and antennas, though 
 one side is bound to have more capacitance to earth than the other, so 
 balanced is fairly relative.
 
 David
 G3UNA
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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread Bob Cunnings
For years I've used a a Z-match tuner I built using very husky
components - big transmitting variables, salvaged 3 diameter silver
plated tank coil and a 9:1 gear reduction drive for the main tuning
cap. It works very well tuning a doublet fed with 450 ohm window line
-- but even with the 9:1 reduction tuning can be very sharp. It's also
more sensitive to slight variations caused by antenna movement etc.
since you're tuning for near resonance. Those may be reasons it wasn't
commercialised (much). In comparison, the Palstar BT1500A balanced L
tuner I acquired a while back is less fussy - tuning isn't nearly as
fast or critical. It also has the virtue of highly repeatable settings
- it's quicker and easier to hop from band to band.

Bob NW8L

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:44 AM, d.cut...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 Can anyone point to why the single coil Z match wasn't commercialised rather 
 than the T match?  (Perhaps it's a historical thing and manufacturers just 
 copy each other, notwithstanding the Johnson Matchbox of course, which is no 
 longer produced.)

 I'm in process of building one to cover 160 to 10 from VK2BR (?).  I'm hoping 
 that the link coupling will help with balanced feeders and antennas, though 
 one side is bound to have more capacitance to earth than the other, so 
 balanced is fairly relative.

 David
 G3UNA
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[Elecraft] K3/Icom amp interface

2009-07-15 Thread Steve Cornell
Does anyone know of an interface between the K3 and an Icom 2KL/PW1 amps for 
auto band switching?Steve K4AHA
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[Elecraft] K3 SCAN request

2009-07-15 Thread drewko
Is there any reason why SCAN could not be made to operate on the
current paramters displayed in the VFOs? A lot of times I want to scan
a range without storing it in a memory location. As it is now, in
order to SCAN the current VFO settings you have to go through six
steps:

VM
dial in a memory location
VM
MV
MV
SCAN 

Why not just SCAN alone?  This would be a lot more agile.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
 
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[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: July 15 to Aug 17, 2009

2009-07-15 Thread Ken Newman
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N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR
July 15 to Aug 17, 2009  
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Summer FOX Hunt - QRP 20M CW... QRP Contest!
EDT: Each Tue, 9 PM  to 1029 PM
UTC: Each Wed, 0100z to 0229z 
Info: http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/
~
NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint *** QRP CONTEST! ***
EDT: Jul 15, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM
UTC: Jul 16, 0030z to 0230z
Rules: http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel/contests.html
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Digital Mode Club (DMC) Contest (RTTY) ... QRP Category
Jul 18, 1200z to Jul 19, 1200z
Rules: http://www.digital-modes-club.org/dmccontest.htm
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North American QSO Party (RTTY) /QRP Entries Noted
Jul 18, 1800Z to Jul 19, 0600Z
Rules:  http://www.ncjweb.com/naqprules.php
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CQ WW VHF Contest (All, 6  2 Meters) ... QRP (10W) Category
Jul 18, 1800z to Jul 19, 2100z
Rules: http://www.cqww-vhf.com/
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RSGB Low Power Field Day (CW) ...QRP Contest!
Jul 19, 0900z to 1200z 
Jul 19, 1300z to 1600z 
Rules: http://www.vhfcc.org/hfcc/rules/2009/rqrp.shtml
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Colorado Gold Rush (20 mtr CW QRP) ... QRP Contest
July 19, 2000z to 2159z 
Rules: http://www.cqc.org/contests/gold2009.htm
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RUN FOR THE BACON (CW) *** QRP CONTEST ***
EDT: Jul 19, 9 PM to 11 PM
UTC: Jul 20, 0100z 0300z
Rules: http://www.fpqrp.com/
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SKCC Sprint (Straight Key CW)  ... QRP Awards
Jul 22, z to 0200z
Rules: http://www.skccgroup.com/sprint/sks/
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MQFD Monthly Sprint (CW/PH/Digital) *** QRP Contest ***
Jul 25, 1800z to 2200z
Rules: http://w2agn.net/mqfdsprint.html
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Islands On The Air Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Jul 25, 1200z to Jul 26, 1200z
Rules: http://www.vhfcc.org/hfcc/rules/2009/riota.shtml
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EDT: Jul 26, 1300  to 1700
UTC: Jul 26, 1700z to 2100z
Rules: 
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Summer FOX Hunt - QRP 20M CW... QRP Contest!
EDT: Each Tue, 9 PM  to 1029 PM
UTC: Each Wed, 0100z to 0229z 
Info: http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/
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Ten-Ten QSO Party (PH) ... QRP Category
Aug 1, 0001z to Aug 2, 2359z
Rules: http://www.ten-ten.org/Forms/QSOPartyRulesRevised.pdf
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TARA Grid Dip Contest  (PSK/RTTY) ... QRP Category
Aug 1, z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_grid_rules.html
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EUROPEAN HF CHAMPIONSHIP (PH/CW) (EU work EU) Low Power Category
Aug 1, 1200z to 2359z
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ARRL UHF Contest ... Low Power Category
Aug 1, 1800z to Aug 2, 1800z
Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2009/uhf.html
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North American QSO Party (CW) ... 100W Max.  (/QRP noted on entry)
Aug 1, 1800z to Aug 2, 0600z
Rules: http://www.ncjweb.com/naqprules.php
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Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) *** QRP Event! ***
Aug 4, 0100z to 0300z (First Monday 9 PM EDT)
Info: 
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Worked All Europe DX Contest (CW) ... 100W category
Aug 8, z to Aug 9, 2359z
Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/xedcwr.htm
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Maryland/DC QSO Party (SSB/CW) ... QRP Category
Aug 8, 1600z to Aug 9, 0400z
Aug 9, 1600z to Aug 9, 2359z
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SKCC Weekend Sprintathon (Straight Key CW) ... QRP Category
Aug 9, z to 2359z
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FPqrp - 10 Year Anniversary Contest (CW/SSB/Digital) ... QRP
Aug 9, 0001 to Aug 15, 2359
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NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
EDT: Aug 11, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM
UTC: Aug 12, 0030Z to 0230Z
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SARTG WW RTTY Contest ... 

[Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread drewko
Is there any way to reduce the LED brightness when LCD Brt is set to
dAY? It seems the LEDs default to an extremely bright state when the
LCD backlight is turned off.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] K3/Icom amp interface

2009-07-15 Thread Bob Serwy
I use the Microham   Micro Keyer II to do this.

Bob Serwy - N9RS

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Does anyone know of an interface between the K3 and an Icom 2KL/PW1 amps for
auto band switching?Steve K4AHA
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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Can anyone point to why the single coil Z match wasn't commercialised rather 
than the T match?  (Perhaps it's a historical thing and manufacturers just copy 
each other, notwithstanding the Johnson Matchbox of course, which is no longer 
produced.)

I'm in process of building one to cover 160 to 10 from VK2BR (?).  I'm hoping 
that the link coupling will help with balanced feeders and antennas, though 
one side is bound to have more capacitance to earth than the other, so 
balanced is fairly relative.

David
G3UNA



I believe it comes back to addressing the largest possible market with the 
simplest product, David. 

Relatively inexpensive Shunt-L T-network commercial tuners (e.g. MFJ) appeared 
in great quantity as no tune solid state transceivers became popular. These 
transceivers are really not no tune but, instead, are pre tuned for 
specific load impedance. The user is required to provide a pre tuned load 
that shows the proper impedance, indicated by a low SWR at the transmitter 
output. 

Unfortunately, many antennas in common use as the no-tune rigs came on the 
market - trap dipoles, multiple paralleled dipoles, trap verticals or, 
frequently, an end-fed random wires - provided the required match across the 
bands.  

The external tuner solved the problem, providing the low SWR the modern rigs 
required when feeding these antennas and able to handle an impedance range 
similar to the popular Pi-network used in older transmitter outputs that 
previously fed these antennas. 

In short, no tune rigs just moved the output tuning from the transmitter or 
transceiver itself to an external box: the antenna tuner. 

Although the Shunt-L, T-network can be very lossy, it can be very efficient too 
when used properly. The key is to adjust it for lowest Q where the circulating 
currents in the coil are lowest. Just like feed lines, With the Shunt-L 
T-network the lowest Q and lowest loss occur with the *least* inductance in the 
circuit that can provide a match to the rig. 

Again, keeping things simple to address the basic needs of the most customers, 
manufacturers like MFJ use an inexpensive switch-tapped inductor in their 
original tuners. The taps, inductance and capacitor ranges were established to 
provide a match from a few tens of ohms to 600 ohms or so. They'd match much 
wider ranges of impedances, but it was not unusual to discover that the tap 
settings weren't optimal. In some cases that led to situations where high 
circulating currents and losses occurred because the taps were too far apart.

And of course, some tuners are used by Hams who have never carefully studied 
the manual that came with it, so they ended up using the wrong settings with 
the mistaken belief that all was well if the SWR on the link to the rig was 
low. 

Some years ago, Kevin Schmidt, W9CF, wrote a neat little Shunt-L T-Match tuner 
simulator in Java that's available to play with on line at many sites. One is 
here:

http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/tuner/tuner.html

You can download the program or run it on the WEB page, twirling the knobs with 
your mouse. It gives you the input/output impedances with the inductance and 
capacitance needed and the loss as a percentage of power and in dB for a given 
setting. I'm not sure what all the assumptions about conductor losses, etc., 
were for this simulator, but playing with it provides an intuitive feel for 
how the T-match works.

I ignored one type of antenna that was quite popular about the time the no 
tune rigs appeared. That was the folded dipole. It was cheap and easy to 
make from 300 ohm twin-lead or home-made open wire line, avoiding the expense 
of coax for a very efficient and relatively broad band antenna, covering much 
if not all of the 80 meter band with a decently low SWR. But it needed a 
balanced feed. So MFJ and others provided a 4:1 toroidal balun in their tuners 
specifically to provide for these types of antennas (including the variant of 
the Windom fed with twin lead that was becoming popular too). Those baluns work 
well when feeding an impedance somewhere around 300 to 600 ohms, transforming 
it to about 50 or 100 ohms, right in the middle target range for the T-network 
to match most efficiently. 

Of course, many Hams immediately attached those baluns to their open-wire fed 
multiband doublets. That works fine where the antenna and feed line combine to 
provide a low impedance at the rig. Where the impedance is very high it 
doesn't. Again, the manuals with most Shunt-L T-network tuners I've seen say to 
avoid situations where the feed point impedance is high. MFJ, for example, goes 
so far as to give owners combinations of feed line lengths and antenna lengths 
to avoid with a doublet and cautions about using them with Windom antennas 
under certain situations to avoid these impedance extremes. 

That's why I have a wide-range link-coupled tuner for use with a doublet. That 
sort of 

[Elecraft] Fw: Re: The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread WILLIS COOKE




 I count three coils in the single
 coil Z Match.  Also there is a hard to find two section
 variable capacitor.  One of the coild has two
 taps.  This is probably the reason that it has not been
 used in commercial matching networks recently.
 
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
 K5EWJ
 
 
 --- On Wed, 7/15/09, d.cut...@ntlworld.com
 d.cut...@ntlworld.com
 wrote:
 
  From: d.cut...@ntlworld.com
 d.cut...@ntlworld.com
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet
  To: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz,
 'Phil LaMarche' plama...@verizon.net,
 d.cut...@ntlworld.com,
 '.hank.' k...@inbox.com
  Cc: 'Elecraft_List' elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:17 AM
  That should be VK5BR Lloyd Butler
  
  http://users.tpg.com.au/users/ldbutler/SingleCoilZMatch.htm
  
  David
  G3UNA
  
   d.cut...@ntlworld.com
  wrote: 
   Can anyone point to why the single coil Z match
 wasn't
  commercialised rather than the T match?  (Perhaps
 it's
  a historical thing and manufacturers just copy each
 other,
  notwithstanding the Johnson Matchbox of course, which
 is no
  longer produced.)
   
   I'm in process of building one to cover 160 to 10
 from
  VK2BR (?).  I'm hoping that the link coupling will
 help
  with balanced feeders and antennas, though one side
 is
  bound to have more capacitance to earth than the
 other, so
  balanced is fairly relative.
   
   David
   G3UNA
  
 
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[Elecraft] More on doublet and feedline issues

2009-07-15 Thread dw
Prior to using the SGC auto-tuner at the end of the coax I used a home
made balanced tuner.

This was simply two 30uH tapped coils ( one for each side of the ladder
line )
And then a variable cap switched in with a DPDT for either step-up or
step-down config.

As mentioned before, putting the tuner at the end of the coax helps to
keep the coax usage for what it is designed for (unbalanced 50 ohms). 
This minimizes SWR losses on the coax and heat losses and saturation
within a balun, which can in some cases eat up a percentage of the
transmitters output power.
This is especially critical in QRP usage.

In order to find the taps for this I built a simple qrp tapped
L-network.
I used my MFJ antenna analyzer to find the correct combinations of L + C
on the L-network for each band.
Then divide the L between the two parallel coils and you have a balanced
tuner.
In this case: rig to coax to balun to balanced tuner to ladderline.

Roy McCoy indicates that if one uses a tuner prior to the coax, one
should use a Kwatt rated balun at the ladder line end of the coax to
minimize flux saturation and possible toroid destruction. 

I use a Kwatt balun anyway.
Just get the best in the first place and then I won't be fishing for it
afterwords.

Prior to this, I used a standard MFJ versa tuner sitting between the rig
and coax, and there were always bands or band-segments that I could not
operate in due to the inability to find a match.
This is because every design has compromise built into it and as such,
most T type tuners have just enough component reactance to meet AVERAGE
matching requirements.
And so, when your antenna system matching requirement exceeds average,
your out of luck.
This is especially true with auto tuners built into rigs.
Meeting ROI (return on investment) demands requires minimizing matching
capability.

L.B. Cebik (http://www.cebik.com) was probably one of the most
knowledgeable Hams I've ever had the privilege to correspond with, on
the topic of feed-line lenghts.  He is the first one to remind me of the
(1/8 wL @ lowest operating Frq) rule for optimizing ladder-line length.
 
Use plenty of antenna connector gum outside to prevent moisture from
seeping into the coax, and keep all of the wire/connector points dry.
-- 
 bw...@fastmail.net

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread WILLIS COOKE

It appears to me that the LCDs have only one brightness, none!  Only the back 
light has brightness.  When set to DAY the back light is off and the contrast 
is just from the reflection on the back plane versus opaque for the activated 
elements.  I didn't know there was a Day setting until your post even after a 
few thousand contacts over the past year.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 7/15/09, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: drewko drew...@verizon.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 8:47 AM
 Is there any way to reduce the LED
 brightness when LCD Brt is set to
 dAY? It seems the LEDs default to an extremely bright
 state when the
 LCD backlight is turned off.
 
 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread drewko
Cookie,

The LEDs are the ones on the Shift, Width, etc. knobs; they become
extremely bright when LCD Brt (display backlight) is set to dAY
(or off), and there is no way to adjust them because LED Brt is no
longer functional (it just beeps when you spin the vfo). Only when
LCD Brt is set at some value 1 to 8 can LED Brt be adjusted. 

I checked the above text about five times for proper use of LED vs
LCD... it can get a little confusing, hahah

Anyhow, I'd like to use the LCD day setting and also be able to
adjust the LED brightness down.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:58:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:


It appears to me that the LCDs have only one brightness, none!  Only the back 
light has brightness.  When set to DAY the back light is off and the contrast 
is just from the reflection on the back plane versus opaque for the activated 
elements.  I didn't know there was a Day setting until your post even after a 
few thousand contacts over the past year.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML


drewko wrote:
 Is there any way to reduce the LED brightness when LCD Brt is set to
 dAY? It seems the LEDs default to an extremely bright state when the
 LCD backlight is turned off.

Interesting. The LED BRT setting seems to be disabled when LCD BRT
is set to dAY. Perhaps that could be fixed (to allow a separate
day-time LED BRT setting).

Personally I find the LCD difficult to read in dAY mode anyway, but
the glaring LEDs do make it even worse...

 ~Iain / N6ML

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread drewko
Actually, I sometimes like to use the day settings at night when I
don't necessarily need to be watching at the display-- the LED
brightness is way too bright then. It would be nice to be able to turn
them down also.

Funny thing... as much power is consumed when LCD Brt is set to dAY
(backlight = off)  as when it is set to max. I guess some of this is
due to the extremely bright LEDs in the day settng.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:22:15 -0700, ~Iain / N6ML wrote:



drewko wrote:
 Is there any way to reduce the LED brightness when LCD Brt is set to
 dAY? It seems the LEDs default to an extremely bright state when the
 LCD backlight is turned off.

Interesting. The LED BRT setting seems to be disabled when LCD BRT
is set to dAY. Perhaps that could be fixed (to allow a separate
day-time LED BRT setting).

Personally I find the LCD difficult to read in dAY mode anyway, but
the glaring LEDs do make it even worse...

 ~Iain / N6ML

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread WILLIS COOKE

Now I see what you are talking about Drew.  I never paid attention to these 
settings other than LCD Brightness and Back light Brightness. I am not sure 
what your reason for turning the back light off might be.  If you are operating 
in sun light I don't think that you can see the back light on the LCD with a 
setting at 2 and the current drain is small enough that I don't detect it on my 
power supply ammeter.  I have never tried to operate my K3 outdoors and I am 
simulating it by aiming my 75 watt desk lamp at the LCD, but that looks OK to 
me.  Is that a possible work around for your?
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 7/15/09, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: drewko drew...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 10:21 AM
 Cookie,
 
 The LEDs are the ones on the Shift, Width, etc. knobs; they
 become
 extremely bright when LCD Brt (display backlight) is set
 to dAY
 (or off), and there is no way to adjust them because LED
 Brt is no
 longer functional (it just beeps when you spin the vfo).
 Only when
 LCD Brt is set at some value 1 to 8 can LED Brt be
 adjusted. 
 
 I checked the above text about five times for proper use of
 LED vs
 LCD... it can get a little confusing, hahah
 
 Anyhow, I'd like to use the LCD day setting and also be
 able to
 adjust the LED brightness down.
 
 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z
 
 
 
 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:58:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
 
 
 It appears to me that the LCDs have only one
 brightness, none!  Only the back light has
 brightness.  When set to DAY the back light is off and
 the contrast is just from the reflection on the back plane
 versus opaque for the activated elements.  I didn't
 know there was a Day setting until your post even after a
 few thousand contacts over the past year.
 
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
 K5EWJ
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] K1 led backlight setting

2009-07-15 Thread Eric

Is there a recommendation from you all as to which led brightness setting to 
use for K1 led backlight?  It will be used primarily for hotel and field 
portable ops,  thanks

Eric WD6DBM

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[Elecraft] K3 serial 584 is now OK

2009-07-15 Thread Joe Malloy
In case anyone is wondering, my K3 is running tickety-boo now that the 
KIO3 board has been replaced (thanks to Gary Surrency for diagnosis and 
the rest of Elecraft service folks who got me the replacement board tout 
suite!).  And, uh, the 80-meter only decrease in sensitivity was most 
decidedly NOT condx or a failure of anything in the K3 box but a failure 
of the wetware which operated the box -- somehow, I know not how, I was 
using the non-existent RX ANT.  Ooops.

73,

Joe, W2RBA


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Re: [Elecraft] K3/Icom amp interface

2009-07-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Does anyone know of an interface between the K3 and an Icom 
 2KL/PW1 amps for auto band switching?

Your question has two answers: 

 For the 2KL a BCD to 1 of 8 decoder can switch the necessary 
 voltage dividers to create the analog (stepped voltage) band 
 data signal needed to switch bands with the 2KL or 4KL.  The 
 W9XT BCD-10 is capable of providing the necessary switch 
 to ground signals to easily drive a set of voltage dividers 
 in this application. 

 However, unlike most of the other Icom accessories, the PW-1 
 will not switch bands based on the analog (stepped voltage) 
 signal and requires specific frequency data from the Icom 
 CI-V transceive broadcast. .  

 I know of only three devices in current production that will 
 translate Elecraft (Kenwood) CAT data to the Icom CI-V format. 
 They are: microHAM Station Master (PA control function),  the  
 microHAM microKEYER II (auxiliary CI-V output) and microHAM 
 MK2R or MK2R+ (accessory serial function).  The now discontinued 
 microHAM Band Decoder is also capable of providing the CAT 
 translation if you can find a used one.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cornell
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/Icom amp interface
 
 
 Does anyone know of an interface between the K3 and an Icom 
 2KL/PW1 amps for auto band switching?Steve K4AHA 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread drewko
Cookie, I can see the dAY display pretty well with my normal indoor
operating position lighting, but the LEDs at this setting are
irritatingly bright.

Sometimes during the day I have the rig on, just scanning a band or
listening to a SWBC station while I'm doing something else around the
shack; don't really need the display on then anyway. 

The ma difference as shown on the K3 between LCD Brt 2 and dAY is
about 70 ma. (No, I'm not a global warmist or anything... far from it.
Just thought it was interesting...)

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
wrote:


Now I see what you are talking about Drew.  I never paid attention to these 
settings other than LCD Brightness and Back light Brightness. I am not sure 
what your reason for turning the back light off might be.  If you are 
operating in sun light I don't think that you can see the back light on the 
LCD with a setting at 2 and the current drain is small enough that I don't 
detect it on my power supply ammeter.  I have never tried to operate my K3 
outdoors and I am simulating it by aiming my 75 watt desk lamp at the LCD, but 
that looks OK to me.  Is that a possible work around for your?
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread WILLIS COOKE

You have a much more sensitive ammeter than I do Drew.  I draw about an amp 
with the back light on 4 where I usually keep it, but I can;t see the 
difference if I change the setting to DAY.  70 ma at 13.8 V is only about 1 
watt.  My desk lamp has a 60 watt bulb so you would save more money to turn off 
some of the lights in your ham shack.

Still, it should be possible to allow you to adjust the LEDs with a software 
change if the software gurus work it to the top of their priority list.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ


--- On Wed, 7/15/09, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: drewko drew...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:26 AM
 Cookie, I can see the dAY display
 pretty well with my normal indoor
 operating position lighting, but the LEDs at this setting
 are
 irritatingly bright.
 
 Sometimes during the day I have the rig on, just scanning a
 band or
 listening to a SWBC station while I'm doing something else
 around the
 shack; don't really need the display on then anyway. 
 
 The ma difference as shown on the K3 between LCD Brt 2
 and dAY is
 about 70 ma. (No, I'm not a global warmist or anything...
 far from it.
 Just thought it was interesting...)
 
 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z
 
 
 
 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Willis 'Cookie'
 Cooke
 wrote:
 
 
 Now I see what you are talking about Drew.  I
 never paid attention to these settings other than LCD
 Brightness and Back light Brightness. I am not sure what
 your reason for turning the back light off might be. 
 If you are operating in sun light I don't think that you can
 see the back light on the LCD with a setting at 2 and the
 current drain is small enough that I don't detect it on my
 power supply ammeter.  I have never tried to operate my
 K3 outdoors and I am simulating it by aiming my 75 watt desk
 lamp at the LCD, but that looks OK to me.  Is that a
 possible work around for your?
  
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
 K5EWJ
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness

2009-07-15 Thread Steve Ellington
Me either nor do I recycle but those LEDs being on when the display is off 
seems rather odd.
No, I'm not a global warmist or anything... far from it.

Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: drewko drew...@verizon.net
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 LED/LCD brightness


 Cookie, I can see the dAY display pretty well with my normal indoor
 operating position lighting, but the LEDs at this setting are
 irritatingly bright.

 Sometimes during the day I have the rig on, just scanning a band or
 listening to a SWBC station while I'm doing something else around the
 shack; don't really need the display on then anyway.

 The ma difference as shown on the K3 between LCD Brt 2 and dAY is
 about 70 ma. (No, I'm not a global warmist or anything... far from it.
 Just thought it was interesting...)

 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z



 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT), Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
 wrote:


Now I see what you are talking about Drew.  I never paid attention to 
these settings other than LCD Brightness and Back light Brightness. I am 
not sure what your reason for turning the back light off might be.  If you 
are operating in sun light I don't think that you can see the back light 
on the LCD with a setting at 2 and the current drain is small enough that 
I don't detect it on my power supply ammeter.  I have never tried to 
operate my K3 outdoors and I am simulating it by aiming my 75 watt desk 
lamp at the LCD, but that looks OK to me.  Is that a possible work around 
for your?

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ



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Re: [Elecraft] K1 led backlight setting

2009-07-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Eric,

If you are going to be using it in lighted areas and can stand the 
increased current drain, go for the brighter option.  OTOH, the K1 
display without the backlight is fine in lighted areas already, and the 
dim backlight is good for dark places, so just take your pick based on 
your particular desires.

73,
Don W3FPR

Eric wrote:
 Is there a recommendation from you all as to which led brightness setting to 
 use for K1 led backlight?  It will be used primarily for hotel and field 
 portable ops,  thanks

 Eric WD6DBM
   

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[Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread THOMAS BRERETON
I have long been an advocate of the center fed doublet.
I have put them up in numerous state and even in Germany.
Of course I have used different tuners. Folks here in this
write about of all kinds of external tuners.

May I make a radical suggestion? Use the internal K3 
antenna tuner! Now I know that most transceivers have 
internal tuners that will operate well only up to 3:1 swr.
The K3 tuner is rated much higher than that. Indeed, 
I was very surprised how well it  works here in my station
with my 135' foot dipole with 450 ohm ladder line and a
balun.
I highly recommend that one should consider the K3 tuner.
It's a winner.

Tom Brereton, W0TOM
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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Van Wallaghen
I'm using a 66' doublet fed with homebrew ladder line for portable 
operations in my yard. I have it flat top up in a tree about 35' up. I 
made a small adapter to go from the ANT1 connector from my KAT3 to a 
couple of banana sockets. I then bring the ladder line straight into 
that adapter.

I wound up with a feedline length of around 55' and the KAT3 tunes up on 
this arrangement 80m-10m FB. It is obviously very short for 80m and I 
don't use it on that band, but the KAT3 did tune up on it (I'm sure not 
very efficiently).

I've been running 5 watts out there and worked a number of states. I 
worked Italy on 5 watts last summer on 20m.

I hooked the doublet directly to the KAT3 at the urging of Ron (AC7AC) 
and Don (W3FPR) here on the list and have been very happy with it.


73,
Dave W8FGU


THOMAS BRERETON wrote:
 I have long been an advocate of the center fed doublet.
 I have put them up in numerous state and even in Germany.
 Of course I have used different tuners. Folks here in this
 write about of all kinds of external tuners.
 
 May I make a radical suggestion? Use the internal K3 
 antenna tuner! Now I know that most transceivers have 
 internal tuners that will operate well only up to 3:1 swr.
 The K3 tuner is rated much higher than that. Indeed, 
 I was very surprised how well it  works here in my station
 with my 135' foot dipole with 450 ohm ladder line and a
 balun.
 I highly recommend that one should consider the K3 tuner.
 It's a winner.
 
 Tom Brereton, W0TOM
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Re: [Elecraft] Possible doublet configuration

2009-07-15 Thread qrp_1
Following this thread with much interest. I need a stealth antena and
a doublet may do the job.
Could I feed my K3/100 with ATU into a BL2 right at the antenna
connector, the output of the BL2
to home made ladder line, (2 to 4 inch spacing) to a doublet approx
1/2 wavelength on the lowest
freq? [[snip]]

Sure you can do it that way, but the ATU may or may not tune it on all
bands - depends on that matching range of the ATU and the impedance of
the antenna system at each frequency.  Impedance does change with
frequency, and as long as it stays within the matching range of the ATU,
it should work just fine.  But I think you would have much greater
success with a non resonant length for the doublet - say an 88' doublet
for 10 thru 80 meter coverage, or a 44' doublet for 10 thru 40 meter
coverage.  These lengths aren't carved in stone either, the theory is to
stay away from 1/2 wavelength per side of the doublet to avoid extremely
hig impedance.  You might even want to look into an off center fed
doublet fed with balanced feedline with the balun at the end of the
balanced feedline and a short run of coax coming into the shack.  The
idea behind the off center feed is that the impedance stays fairly close
to the same (around 200 to 300 ohms)  over a wide frequency range and
allows a 4:1 balun to convert it down close to 50 to 75 ohms (or
thereabouts).  Do a google search for the FD-3, or FD-4 antenna to get a
better idea of what I mean.
 
Is it OK to bring ladder line into the shack? [[snip]]

Sure !  Just keep it clear of long runs that are parallel to large metal
objects and it will work just fine.

73 - Rick McKee, KC8AON
Southern Ohio - EM88sn
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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tom (and all others who have commented),

Please pass along the length and type of your feedline when making 
statements of the effectiveness and ease of tuning for your antenna.  
With a resonant halfwave dipole fed with coax (or any line matched to 
the antenna impedance), the feedline length is not important, but most 
multiband antennas are not like that and the feedline length is a very 
important parameter.
The feedline is a part of the antenna system, and when not matched to 
the antenna feedpoint impedance, it will act as an impedance transformer.
Your particular antenna and feedline may work just fine, but the same 
antenna with a different feedline length may not work out well.
So for others to duplicate your experiences (or attempt to), please add 
the length and type of feedline.

73,
Don W3FPR

THOMAS BRERETON wrote:
 I have long been an advocate of the center fed doublet.
 I have put them up in numerous state and even in Germany.
 Of course I have used different tuners. Folks here in this
 write about of all kinds of external tuners.

 May I make a radical suggestion? Use the internal K3 
 antenna tuner! Now I know that most transceivers have 
 internal tuners that will operate well only up to 3:1 swr.
 The K3 tuner is rated much higher than that. Indeed, 
 I was very surprised how well it  works here in my station
 with my 135' foot dipole with 450 ohm ladder line and a
 balun.
 I highly recommend that one should consider the K3 tuner.
 It's a winner.

 Tom Brereton, W0TOM
   

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[Elecraft] K3 knob on K2?

2009-07-15 Thread Tom Campie
Does the K3 knob fit on the K2?  Just curious, seems like it'd be an easy
alternative to the Yaesu knobs many of you are using...
Tom W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] The use of a doublet

2009-07-15 Thread Joe Planisky
For those who might be a little mystified by this discussion of  
feedlines and antennas, I can recommend the series of articles titled  
Another Look at Reflections by M. Walter Maxwell (W2DU/W8HKK)  
published in QST between 1973 and 1976.  The whole series is available  
as a single PDF file at 
http://www.arrl.org/members-only/tis/info/pdf/Reflect.pdf 
  (for ARRL members only, sorry.)  It's a very thorough treatment of  
the subject of transmission lines and impedance matching.  Easy  
reading in some places and a bit tougher in others, it's well worth  
close and careful study if you want to understand transmission lines  
and matching.

73
--
Joe KB8AP



On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

...

 The feedline is a part of the antenna system, and when not matched to
 the antenna feedpoint impedance, it will act as an impedance  
 transformer.
 Your particular antenna and feedline may work just fine, but the same
 antenna with a different feedline length may not work out well.
...
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[Elecraft] K2/100 + KAT100-1 for sale

2009-07-15 Thread Gary, N7IR
My friend John K7WP is selling his K2/100.  I have aligned this radio and
will vouch for it's excellent condition and performance.  It includes the
following:
K2
KPA100
KSB2
K160RX
K60XV
KNB2
KDSP2
KAT100-1
At the current prices this is $1810 worth of kits.  You get it all for
$1200, assembled.  In addition I added K3-style protection circuits to this
K2 to prevent damage to the MCU from miss-connections at the microphone
jack.  Contact John directly at the email address below.
73
Gary, N7IR

-Original Message-
Behalf Of John Arthurs
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: Stuff for sale pre-Williams


Hi all..

Couple of things for sale here:

1. Elecraft K2/100 loaded with options, including the KAT100 antenna
tuner, with manuals, and Mini-Manual by Nifty. This radio has been a regular
with the VooDudes in Africa over the last several years, and primarily the
160m radio. Beautiful condition. All for $1200.

2.  Bird 43 Wattmeter SN 162122 with 250w, and 5000w slugs. All for $185.

I will be at the Williams, AZ Hamfest on Sat., and can deliver the goods
there.

Thanks, and 73!

John K7WP
arthursk...@aol.com


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