Re: [Elecraft] KX3 with older Heil headset

[Bert]

Thanks all for your suggestions how to use the old Heil headset with an 
HC-4 element.

Unfortunately, I couldn't make it work and sound good with the KX3.

You have to crank up the mic gain very high and it sounds like you're in 
a barrel!


It's an old headset but I don't want to throw it away, so I'll probably 
replace the

HC-4 element with an electret.

Bert VE3NR


On 4/24/2020 9:59 PM, Nr4c wrote:

Before plugging in the mic from Menu set mic buttons to OFF. See the manual 
about this. Also be sure Bias is OFF.

You will need to tap the Transmit button to speak and again to stop.

Or use VOX, see manual to set this up.

Go have fun!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Bert  wrote:

Hi all,

I want to use an older Heil headset, with an HC-4 element, with my KX3.

Despite having tried different settings for the microphone, I can't make it 
work.
Your ideas and suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Bert VE3NR

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD

[Dan Presley]

I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to morph 
into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD. Remote 
operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all depends on your 
infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional internet access or other 
networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or solo portable either. Field day 
this year is what you choose to do comfortably and explore options to keep you 
safe. Our setup is designed for near total isolation and no close  contact with 
other operators. Oregon has strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have 
the lowest rate of infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. 
Exploring remote operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access 
to larger antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If 
you want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the 
reflector. 
So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2? 

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
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> On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt  wrote:
> 
> We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this 
> year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being 
> processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or 
> K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the 
> big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run 
> from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!!
> 
> GL all. 
> 
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Bill Rowlett]

If you have your paddles hooked to the kx3, you can work ritty or psk without a 
computer. Works well.

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> On May 12, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
> 
> On 5/12/20 at 2:46 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote:
> 
>>> On 5/12/2020 8:11 AM, Buck wrote:
>>> A used K3 would be my recommendation if you don't need portability.  The K3 
>>> is still one of the finest radios ever made
>> 
>> I agree. The KX3 is a fine radio, but the K3 is much easier to use if you 
>> want to do modes other than CW and SSB. In today's world, digital modes have 
>> become quite popular, in large part because they make it possible to work 
>> through the greatly increased noise levels present where most of us live.
> 
> I frequently switch modes when operating. With the K3, I only have to change 
> the mode switch on the radio. It is equally easy on the KX3 and KX2 between 
> CW and voice, but when going use to data with an external computer I have to 
> change the phones plug, the mic plug, and the mic bias. And change them back 
> when I go the other way. A lot of fiddling. However I can easily carry the 
> KX3 in my pack.
> 
> Note: I have to borrow a KX2 from my wife, so I mostly use the KX3.
> 
> I hope the K4 will be as easy to switch between sound card modes and RTTY as 
> the K3 is between CW/SSB/Data. The K3 involves some knob twisting.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Bill Frantz]

On 5/12/20 at 2:46 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote:


On 5/12/2020 8:11 AM, Buck wrote:
A used K3 would be my recommendation if you don't need 
portability.  The K3 is still one of the finest radios ever made


I agree. The KX3 is a fine radio, but the K3 is much easier to 
use if you want to do modes other than CW and SSB. In today's 
world, digital modes have become quite popular, in large part 
because they make it possible to work through the greatly 
increased noise levels present where most of us live.


I frequently switch modes when operating. With the K3, I only 
have to change the mode switch on the radio. It is equally easy 
on the KX3 and KX2 between CW and voice, but when going use to 
data with an external computer I have to change the phones plug, 
the mic plug, and the mic bias. And change them back when I go 
the other way. A lot of fiddling. However I can easily carry the 
KX3 in my pack.


Note: I have to borrow a KX2 from my wife, so I mostly use the KX3.

I hope the K4 will be as easy to switch between sound card modes 
and RTTY as the K3 is between CW/SSB/Data. The K3 involves some 
knob twisting.


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD

[Brian Hunt]

We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this 
year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being 
processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or K1 
off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the big one 
hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run from 
mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!!

GL all. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ
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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31, RTTY, and CW -- all conversational modes, all alive and kickin'

[Joan via Elecraft]

Thanks, Wayne!

The ability to do PSK31 ‘barefoot’ (without an external computer) is one of a 
number of reasons I decided to get my KX2, and I’ve not regretted it!

I also love CW in SSB Mode; and I very much appreciate that I can set the 
sidetone to precisely A 440 and that the reception passband automatically 
centers itself to whatever the sidetone is set to, etc.  There are so many 
wonderful subtleties nestled within the Elecraft design philosophy!

73 de KX2CW  ..
Joan

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Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:18, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Recently we've been testing and enhancing the K4's built-in text 
> decode/encode. This feature is very convenient on the K4, with multiple lines 
> of received text, and the ability to use a keyboard (wired or wireless) at 
> any of the three USB-A jacks. You can also transmit in any of these modes by 
> sending CW with the keyer paddle.
> 
> At present the K4 can handle PSK31, RTTY, and CW, as on our other 
> transceivers. We hope to add other in-box text modes in the future. 
> 
> I was happy to discover lots of activity in all three modes over the past 
> week. PSK31 -- which provides below-the-noise-floor copy -- is found 
> primarily on 20 meters from 14070-14073, and I've also heard it on 80, 40, 
> and 15 meters. RTTY is common (especially during weekend contests) around 
> 14080-14090 or higher. And of course there's CW at all times of the day or 
> night. Weekly CWT contests are a big draw these days.
> 
> Each of these modes has its idiosyncrasies. But one thing they all have in 
> common is that they're conversational -- you can carry on real QSOs. They can 
> also be used in contests, with no "canned" limitations on exchanges as with 
> heavily automated data modes.
> 
> I encourage everyone to give these modes a try. If you have a K3, K3S, KX2, 
> or KX3, you can use all three. Decoded text is scrolled across the VFO B 
> display as signals are tuned in. (See your owner's manual for further 
> details.)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

With the current COVID-19 conditions, I'll be staying at home. No Field 
Day participation for me.  Many in our club feel the same way.  Too risky.


The objective of Field Day originally was to show and demonstrate 
capability of station operating under simulated conditions.  Thus no 
phones, no electricity, and no internet.  So with this, how does one 
expect to operate remote?


73

Bob, K4TAX



On 5/12/2020 5:33 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 5/12/2020 3:19 PM, Dan Presley wrote:

I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day


Speaking for myself as a genuine OF with some medical issues, my wife 
and I are distancing until we can get a known good vaccine. Our long 
time FD group consists entirely of OFs, and we made the decision more 
than a month ago not to do FD as a group. Wishing that everyone stays 
healthy, we urge others to operate FD from home. It's a great time to 
check out backup power.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] MFJ1234 remote now completely working

[Kenneth A Christiansen]

Hi to the group

Last night I asked the group some questions but today I figured out the answers 
so thought I should pass them along.

I had another remote setup several years ago but it only had a few MACROS and 
for that reason and all the wires I had to hook or change to use it was nothing 
but trouble and I have not used it for the last several years.

The MFJ1234 has 32 MACROS available and I have used 21 of them. Now I can walk 
away from my K3S at home without making any changes from my local use and set 
it up the way I need while at my camping spot. The feature I was asking help 
with last night was changing the MIC SEL on the K3s from rP.L b1 A5 to LI ne In 
. 
The MACRO I used for this is *0w MN053;UP053;MN255;

I can tune the antenna tuner, set power, set the mic gain and compression, work 
CW from a keyboard etc. If I need more MACROS I still have several left that I 
can use. The hams in the area say I sound good on 160 meters SSB and one even 
sent me an audio recording that sounded fine to me. I find I can hear and be 
heard as well through the remote as I can sitting in front of the K3S.

I only have two cables hooked up. The data cable to the router and the USB 
connection to the K3S and I can leave both of them connected all the time. This 
lets me listen in the middle of the night or walking on the sidewalk any time 
on my iPhone and I can even join in if I want.

73  Ken  W0CZ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Jim Rhodes]

For your test to give you the results you are trying to find you need to
have a load that requires high C/low L and another which requires low
C/high L on EACH band, then have the tuner match it. Otherwise you are just
seeing how much energy can be dissipated in your tuner. One way to do this
is to use a dummy load and a manual tuner, set the manual tuner to
deliberately give you the type of mismatch you want and then have the
autotuner try to match it. doing it your way is just abusing your output
devices.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:41 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
wrote:

> I just ran quick tests on my K3S on all bands, first with the KAT3a
> bypassed and then with the KAT3a allowed to resolve a match.  Both cases
> were using a 50 dummy load and external power meter to measure the power
> into the load.  The current values were from the K3S display.
>
> In all cases I found that the current was less with the KAT3a in bypass
> just as expected.   There is always some loss through any antenna
> tuner.  Some more than others and it will vary by band. The L network
> used by Elecraft is one of the more efficient and lower loss ATU designs.
>
> Specifically:  100 watts indicated into dummy load via external power
> meter.
>
> for 40M the current was 15.3 amps {KAT3a bypassed}  and 15.75 amps with
> KAT3a active/AUTO and resolved a match
>
> for 20M the current was 18.5 amps {KAT3a bypassed} and 17.26 amps with
> KAT3a active/AUTO and resolved a match.
>
> As concluded from my tests, the radio will draw different amounts of
> current on different bands for the same given and measured power
> output.   Seems normal to me.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 5/12/2020 1:31 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> > I've had a few exchanges with support on this, but as Covid-19 is
> imposing
> > some new burdens on the shop, I thought I might ask the larger community
> > for input as well.
> >
> > I've been troubleshooting seemingly anomalous power consumption when
> > transmitting. My K3S pulls way more current on 20m than on 40m for the
> same
> > input signal and output power.
> >
> > After some experimentation, I found that the input current is related to
> > whether the KAT3A is engaged, and which values of C and L are selected.
> > The lowest power consumption comes from the highest value for C and the
> > lowest value for L, and the highest power consumption comes from the
> lowest
> > C and highest L.  Here's a chart of what I found going into a dummy load,
> > manually setting C and L values:
> >
> >
> > min C/max L max C/min L bypass not-inst
> > 40m, 12w 3.55A 2.23A 3.4A 3.3A
> > 20m, 12w 3.70A 1.99A 3.1A 3.0A
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 40m, 13w 11.5A 4.65A 7.3A 7.2A
> > 20m, 13w 15A 5.63A 6.9A 6.8A
> > If that chart doesn't render well on the list, here's a screen shot of
> it:
> > https://imgur.com/GF4IUIy
> >
> > (This was transmitting a 1500Hz tone, SSB at almost 100% modulation with
> > 14v supplied, and is the value reported by the K3s, though my ammeter
> > reports a similar value.  I get similar results with FT8 going into an
> > actual antenna instead of a dummy load.)
> >
> > So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large
> > variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the
> values
> > of C and L for the KAT3A?
> >
> > Nick
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD

[Jim Brown]

On 5/12/2020 3:19 PM, Dan Presley wrote:

I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day


Speaking for myself as a genuine OF with some medical issues, my wife 
and I are distancing until we can get a known good vaccine. Our long 
time FD group consists entirely of OFs, and we made the decision more 
than a month ago not to do FD as a group. Wishing that everyone stays 
healthy, we urge others to operate FD from home. It's a great time to 
check out backup power.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s and MFJ1234 for camping

[Rick Tavan]

I'm using a RemoteRig RRC-1258 pair in my remote setup, not an MFJ1234. I
parallel the mic output of the RRC with the station local mic line, plugged
into the K3 MIC connector, and it seems to work for what little SSB I do.
I've not made any measurements of interfering ambient noise, but haven't
heard any complaints.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM Kenneth A Christiansen  wrote:

> Hi to the group
>
> I have camped for many years and years ago set up my station for remote
> operation and had some fun. The setup was complicated and I changed
> computers and other station equipment and have not used it remotely for
> about the last five years. I bought the MFJ1234 about a month ago and now
> have it set up and working. I was able to set up 15 macros on the MFJ1234
> and now have only the one connection to the K3s and can leave it hooked up
> while using both local and remote control. The only problem I see is I need
> to change the MIC SEL from rP.L b1 A5 to Line I n for remote control. I
> have not found a way to set up a macro to do that. That would be my first
> wish is if someone knows how to set up a macro to make that change if I
> forget to do it before I leave home.
>
> The other option would be to get the K3 UTILITY program to run on the
> MFJ1234. I was able to download the program to the MFJ1234 but can not
> figure out how to install it and make it run. I have already been able to
> set up configuration files on my Windows 10 computer for both setups and
> think I could do the same thing using the RASPBERRY PI remotely. Does
> anyone else know if the K3 UTILITY will run on the RASPBERRY PI and if so
> how do I install it and  make it work?
>
> This was complicated to set up but works much better than what I used
> several years ago. I can work 7 bands from 160 to 10 meters both SSB and CW
> using it. I can work CW without that last step but I would like to be able
> to fix my problem if I forget to do it before I leave the house. All I have
> to take with me is my iPhone.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Ken   W0CZ
>
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[Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD

[Dan Presley]

I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day,in 
particular  for the KX3 and KX2. Our club has a great 5 acre site with tall 
trees that we’ll use to spread out,but it would be nice to have a remote option 
as well. We have a bunch of KX3s and 2s-no K3 or K4s as yet-well almost no one 
has a 4! I have a pignology-piglet setup but I don’t think that’ll work for 
true internet remote-just short range Bluetooth. Let me know-thanks!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Nicklas Johnson]

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 13:41, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:

Specifically:  100 watts indicated into dummy load via external power
> meter.
>
> for 40M the current was 15.3 amps {KAT3a bypassed}  and 15.75 amps with
> KAT3a active/AUTO and resolved a match
>
> for 20M the current was 18.5 amps {KAT3a bypassed} and 17.26 amps with
> KAT3a active/AUTO and resolved a match.
>

Running the identical test, on 40m, I get 14.4A bypassed, 13A matched.

On 20m, I get 14.0A bypassed, 17.5A matched, a bit bigger delta than what
you saw, but perhaps not totally unreasonable.

The reported C/L values the ATU picked for 40 and 20 for this test with the
dummy load are 0 nF / 0.5uH and 0.06nF / 0.25uH respectively.

With my antenna, repeating the same test, I get 14A on 40m and 19A on 20m
(both with the KAT3A matched), so around an amp more than with the matched
dummy load.

> As concluded from my tests, the radio will draw different amounts of
> current on different bands for the same given and measured power
> output.   Seems normal to me.
>

Thank you so much for taking the time to run these tests.  I appreciate
it.  I think the fact that we have a TX gain calibration per band also
implies that we'd see some differences in current draw for the different
bands too.

What I was really trying to determine is whether the results I'm seeing are
*typical*, and it sounds like the answer is "yes."

I guess what caught my eye in all of this is how much the configuration of
the matching network can affect the current draw of the amplifier.  Not
having a great deal of engineering experience with RF amplifier engineering
myself, I kind of expected that presenting the amplifier with a nice 50 ohm
load would have implied similar characteristics regardless of what sat on
the other side of the network, vs causing the amplifier to draw another amp
or two.  My expectation was that we'd see *loss* through the presence of
the matching network, but not so much an additional demand of current.

Kind of interesting, but not, it seems, abnormal or unexpected.  Thanks
again for confirming!

   Nick

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[Elecraft] SSB Net for Sunday May 12, 2020

[Eric Lanzl]

Here is the list of stations checking into the Net for Sunday May 12,2020. 
Thank you to the relay stations, NC0JW, N6JW, KO5V, and WM6P. 
wb9jnz Eric


Call Name  State   Radio   Serial #  QRP
   Notes

WB9JNZ   Eric    IL    K3  
4017      NetControl

N6JW   John  CA       K3/ KX3  936 / 
515          RelayStation

NC0JW Jim    CO       KX3   
1356       
RelayStation

N6PGQ     Bob  CA       K3   
5891       

WB8DKK  Ken   MA      Icom    9600  
         

KC1ACL   Steve    NM      KX3   10677   
         

K7BRR Bill AZ  K3S   
10939        

K8NU/7 Carl   OH/WA      Yaesu FT 2000  
         

KO5V   Jim     NM     K2/100    
7225        
RelayStation

KA6MOK  John      CA      K2  1251  
         

W7QHD    Kurt       AZ      K2/100   1538   
        

K6VWE    Stan       MI       K3    
650         

KB9AVO   Paul       IN   K3S   
11103        

AE1E    Ken   NM     K3S    
11611        

K1TSX  Wayne       CO KX3     3714  
         

NS7P    Phil    OR K3   
1826       

N0MPM Mike       IA   K3S  
10514        

W1NGA     Al  CO      K3  
5765       

WM6P   Steve    GA       K3S  11453 
       

KS7D    Mike       FL   K3      
  118         

KC9JXJ  Hi   IL    Kenwood    590 
SG      

W7CSW    Spence      AZ       K2   5400 
      

K5APL   Wes      AR   K2   
3505       
 WW4JF               John       TN                 K3 / K3S 
6185 / 11177       
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I just ran quick tests on my K3S on all bands, first with the KAT3a 
bypassed and then with the KAT3a allowed to resolve a match.  Both cases 
were using a 50 dummy load and external power meter to measure the power 
into the load.  The current values were from the K3S display.


In all cases I found that the current was less with the KAT3a in bypass 
just as expected.   There is always some loss through any antenna 
tuner.  Some more than others and it will vary by band. The L network 
used by Elecraft is one of the more efficient and lower loss ATU designs.


Specifically:  100 watts indicated into dummy load via external power 
meter.


for 40M the current was 15.3 amps {KAT3a bypassed}  and 15.75 amps with 
KAT3a active/AUTO and resolved a match


for 20M the current was 18.5 amps {KAT3a bypassed} and 17.26 amps with 
KAT3a active/AUTO and resolved a match.


As concluded from my tests, the radio will draw different amounts of 
current on different bands for the same given and measured power 
output.   Seems normal to me.


73

Bob, K4TAX

On 5/12/2020 1:31 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

I've had a few exchanges with support on this, but as Covid-19 is imposing
some new burdens on the shop, I thought I might ask the larger community
for input as well.

I've been troubleshooting seemingly anomalous power consumption when
transmitting. My K3S pulls way more current on 20m than on 40m for the same
input signal and output power.

After some experimentation, I found that the input current is related to
whether the KAT3A is engaged, and which values of C and L are selected.
The lowest power consumption comes from the highest value for C and the
lowest value for L, and the highest power consumption comes from the lowest
C and highest L.  Here's a chart of what I found going into a dummy load,
manually setting C and L values:


min C/max L max C/min L bypass not-inst
40m, 12w 3.55A 2.23A 3.4A 3.3A
20m, 12w 3.70A 1.99A 3.1A 3.0A





40m, 13w 11.5A 4.65A 7.3A 7.2A
20m, 13w 15A 5.63A 6.9A 6.8A
If that chart doesn't render well on the list, here's a screen shot of it:
https://imgur.com/GF4IUIy

(This was transmitting a 1500Hz tone, SSB at almost 100% modulation with
14v supplied, and is the value reported by the K3s, though my ammeter
reports a similar value.  I get similar results with FT8 going into an
actual antenna instead of a dummy load.)

So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large
variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the values
of C and L for the KAT3A?

Nick



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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Don Wilhelm]

Tommy,

The KX2, KX3, and K3 are all fine radios for CW - and data modes and SSB 
as well.


Do you want 100 watts - then choose the K3 (or K3S).  You can also add 
the P3 for a panadapter display.


Do you want something small that you can tote in a backpack, then the 
KX2 is the obvious choice.  You can use it at home with the KXPA100 for 
a 100 watt home station.


Do you want something that is small enough for 'picnic table portable', 
but has more buttons and up-front controls than the KX2, then choose the 
KX3.  It also can serve as a 100 watt home station with the addition of 
the KXPA100 and can also be used with the PX3 for a panadapter display.


If you are planning portable work, the internal tuner is a must.
At the home station, if you do not have resonant antennas, then you 
should have the internal tuner in the K3/K3S or the KXPA100.


Those are the basics that I can convey, the choice is yours to make 
depending on your station aspirations.
Try not to base your decision on price alone - decide what you want and 
then proceed from there.


I have the K3 with the P3. KX3 with the PX3 and KXPA100 as well as the 
KX2.  So I can say that they are all good, but for the home station, I 
usually go with the K3 with the KX3/PX3 and KXPA100 (with KXAT100) as an 
alternate.  The KX2 is reserved for portable operation, and I use it 
rarely since I no longer go on hiking ventures.


73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Nicklas Johnson]

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 12:34, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:

What do you see with: 1) a 50 Ohm load connected to the antenna port
> and the KAT3A bypassed,


See the "bypassed" column in the original chart.


> 2) a 50 Ohm load connected to the antenna
> port and the KAT3A removed (KANT3 board installed),


I purchased the K3S with the KAT3A installed, and as I don't have a KANT3
board handy to swap in, I am unable to tell you.


> 3) a 50 Ohm
> load connected to the antenna port and the KAT3A tuned for SWR =
> 1:1,


For 13W, on 40m, 6.71A; on 20m, 8.2A.  (The dummy load isn't a perfect 50
ohm match unfortunately; it's off by a few ohms and I measure 57 ohms with
a DC meter.)


> 4) your "antenna" connected to the antenna port and the KAT3A
> tuned for minimum SWR?
>

For 13W, on 40m 6.9A, on 20m 9.4A.  In both cases the ATU had no trouble
making a 1:1 match.

The actual measured SWR of the antenna system (ie, with an SWR meter) is
3.7:1 on 40m and 2.9:1 on 20m.  Not a great match obviously, but expected
for what it is.

   Nick

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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Steve Anness]

Hello Tommy,

I just wanted to add. As a KX2 owner, if you did go with the KX2 you would
not be unsatisfied if your desires were to operate QRP on 10-80 meters and
planned to do portable work.  Otherwise I would tend to agree with the
others, the K3 is an excellent choice, I have used them in guest-op
situations for contesting many times and they are fantastic radios.  For
the record, I considered the KX3 for a long time but opted for the KX2
because at the time I thought I would be doing way more portable ops, using
it at home for QRP digital, some SSB and now adding CW into the mix I have
been very pleased with it, take that for what it is worth. Sherwood puts
the KX3 pretty high on the list, upgrading probably doesn't make sense for
me but for a home station starting with the KX3 probably makes a lot of
sense.

Cheers,


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 5/12/2020 8:11 AM, Buck wrote:
> > A used K3 would be my recommendation if you don't need portability.  The
> > K3 is still one of the finest radios ever made
>
> I agree. The KX3 is a fine radio, but the K3 is much easier to use if
> you want to do modes other than CW and SSB. In today's world, digital
> modes have become quite popular, in large part because they make it
> possible to work through the greatly increased noise levels present
> where most of us live.
>
>   and can run the full 100
> > watts
>
> The base K3 is a 15W radio. The 100W amp in a K3/100 is an option.
>
> > when QRP just won't cut it.
>
> I work a lot of QRP, but I also work a lot at 1.5 kW.
>
> My first recommendation would be a used K3/100 if you don't need the
> compactness of the KX3, but study the options that are installed. Some
> options are no longer available from Elecraft. Get advice from a K3
> owner if you don't understand the details.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
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[Elecraft] WTB KPA500 AMP

[Charles Otnott via Elecraft]

I want to buy an Elecraft KPA500 amplifier.
Please reply off list to wd5...@peoplepc.com
stating price, condition, and assessories.

73 & Best DX
Charlie
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> I'm not talking about the difference in measurements in the chart
> vertically; I'm talking about the difference horzontally.

The measurement horizontally - at least min C/max L and max C/min L -
mean absolutely nothing because the tuner is not tuned properly.

What do you see with: 1) a 50 Ohm load connected to the antenna port
and the KAT3A bypassed,  2) a 50 Ohm load connected to the antenna
port and the KAT3A removed (KANT3 board installed), 3) a 50 Ohm
load connected to the antenna port and the KAT3A tuned for SWR =
1:1,  4) your "antenna" connected to the antenna port and the KAT3A
tuned for minimum SWR?

I do not have the tuner component values in front of me so I can't
calculate the impedance you are creating by min C/max L and max C/min L
but if the tuner has a 10:1 matching range you are running between
at least 5 and 50 Ohms or 50 and 500 Ohms depending on whether the
C is on the input output side of the inductor (basic L network).

The roughly 2:1 difference in current is believable for the 10:1
impedance mismatch - particularly if the controller is reducing
the drive (power output) as the mismatch exceeds 2:1 or 3:1.


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-05-12 3:08 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 11:51, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:




So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large
variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the
values of C and L for the KAT3A?

Is the KAT3/KAT3A *tuned correctly*?



This came up because the rig is drawing a lot more current on 20m vs 40m,
when the KAT3A is tuned for the antenna (which is a better match on 20 than
on 40).  For the dummy load, no, the KAT3A won't be tuned correctly when I
manually choose values for C and L; I just used it as a way to better
characterize the nature of the behavior that I was seeing and to reduce the
number of variables.  However, as I mentioned, the behavior is similar when
running FT8 with the tuner correctly tuned for the antenna.  If memory
serves, the difference in current draw was something like 6 amps between 40
and 20, though I can go measure that again if an exact value is useful.

You are comparing apples and oranges here.  At 12W the 100 W amplifier

is bypassed.  At 13W the 100W amplifier is engaged.  The differene you
see is due to the 100W amplifier.



I'm not talking about the difference in measurements in the chart
vertically; I'm talking about the difference horzontally.  I did the
measurements twice deliberately, specifically because PA is
bypassed/engaged, because I wanted to see if there was any relationship
there as well.

Nick


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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2020-05-12 2:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> My first recommendation would be a used K3/100 if you don't need the
> compactness of the KX3, but study the options that are installed. Some
> options are no longer available from Elecraft.

My recommendation would be the K3/K3S *unless* you *never* planned to
operate at more than 10W.  The KX2/KX3 with KPA100 has significantly
more phase noise than the K3/K3S at 100W and when run through another
external amplifier (KPA500/KPA1500/etc.).

The KX3 has transmitted phase noise at (approximately) -122 dBc (@ 10
KHz) where the K3/K3S is (approximately) -135dBc (@ 10 KHz).  This
data is from the ARRL Labs as reported in the reviews of the specific
rigs.

Bottom line, the KX3/KPA100 (at 100 W) will have as much transmitted
phase noise as the K3S/KPA1500 (at the legal limit)!

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-05-12 2:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 5/12/2020 8:11 AM, Buck wrote:
A used K3 would be my recommendation if you don't need portability.  
The K3 is still one of the finest radios ever made


I agree. The KX3 is a fine radio, but the K3 is much easier to use if 
you want to do modes other than CW and SSB. In today's world, digital 
modes have become quite popular, in large part because they make it 
possible to work through the greatly increased noise levels present 
where most of us live.


  and can run the full 100
watts 


The base K3 is a 15W radio. The 100W amp in a K3/100 is an option.


when QRP just won't cut it.


I work a lot of QRP, but I also work a lot at 1.5 kW.

My first recommendation would be a used K3/100 if you don't need the 
compactness of the KX3, but study the options that are installed. Some 
options are no longer available from Elecraft. Get advice from a K3 
owner if you don't understand the details.


73, Jim K9YC





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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Nicklas Johnson]

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 11:51, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:

>
> > So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large
> > variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the
> > values of C and L for the KAT3A?
> Is the KAT3/KAT3A *tuned correctly*?
>

This came up because the rig is drawing a lot more current on 20m vs 40m,
when the KAT3A is tuned for the antenna (which is a better match on 20 than
on 40).  For the dummy load, no, the KAT3A won't be tuned correctly when I
manually choose values for C and L; I just used it as a way to better
characterize the nature of the behavior that I was seeing and to reduce the
number of variables.  However, as I mentioned, the behavior is similar when
running FT8 with the tuner correctly tuned for the antenna.  If memory
serves, the difference in current draw was something like 6 amps between 40
and 20, though I can go measure that again if an exact value is useful.

You are comparing apples and oranges here.  At 12W the 100 W amplifier
> is bypassed.  At 13W the 100W amplifier is engaged.  The differene you
> see is due to the 100W amplifier.
>

I'm not talking about the difference in measurements in the chart
vertically; I'm talking about the difference horzontally.  I did the
measurements twice deliberately, specifically because PA is
bypassed/engaged, because I wanted to see if there was any relationship
there as well.

   Nick

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Fleming via Elecraft]

Yep, you're good. Sometimes the window position can get hosed. Not sure why. 
That's why I added that menu item.

Glad we figured it out!

David, W4SMT

-

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:14:25 PM EDT, John Stengrevics 
 wrote: 

David,

Yes!  Window > Default Position worked!

I then sent all new files to the K3S.

So, I guess I am done?

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 2:09 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
> 
> John, on the menu at the top of the screen, click Window --> Set to Default 
> Position. See if that restores the window.
> 
> David, W4SMT
> 
> 
> -
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:01:19 PM EDT, John Stengrevics 
>  wrote: 
> 
> David,
> 
> If I try to click on anything in the Utility pane, it immediately disappears.
> 
> The lower box shows:
> 
> Elecraft K3 Utility OS X Rev 1.19.9.6
> OS X Version 10.15.4
> K3 MCU Revision 05.60. RS - 232 Speed 38400 bps
> 
> John
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large 
variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the

values of C and L for the KAT3A?

Is the KAT3/KAT3A *tuned correctly*?

Any solid state amplifier will draw more current if it is driving a
low impedance load than it draws driving a high impedance load.  If
the KAT3/3A is transforming the antenna impedance to a low value,
you will see higher current than you would for a proper 50 Ohm load.

The only valid measurement is with a 50 Ohm dummy load attached to
the antenna jack and the KAT3/3A tuned for the 50 Ohm load (or
bypassed).  You should *never* be operating with the tuner adjusted
for other than 50 Ohms to the PA.

> min C/max L max C/min L bypass not-inst
> 40m, 12w 3.55A 2.23A 3.4A 3.3A
> 20m, 12w 3.70A 1.99A 3.1A 3.0A
>
>
> 40m, 13w 11.5A 4.65A 7.3A 7.2A
> 20m, 13w 15A 5.63A 6.9A 6.8A

You are comparing apples and oranges here.  At 12W the 100 W amplifier
is bypassed.  At 13W the 100W amplifier is engaged.  The differene you
see is due to the 100W amplifier.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-05-12 2:31 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

I've had a few exchanges with support on this, but as Covid-19 is imposing
some new burdens on the shop, I thought I might ask the larger community
for input as well.

I've been troubleshooting seemingly anomalous power consumption when
transmitting. My K3S pulls way more current on 20m than on 40m for the same
input signal and output power.

After some experimentation, I found that the input current is related to
whether the KAT3A is engaged, and which values of C and L are selected.
The lowest power consumption comes from the highest value for C and the
lowest value for L, and the highest power consumption comes from the lowest
C and highest L.  Here's a chart of what I found going into a dummy load,
manually setting C and L values:


min C/max L max C/min L bypass not-inst
40m, 12w 3.55A 2.23A 3.4A 3.3A
20m, 12w 3.70A 1.99A 3.1A 3.0A





40m, 13w 11.5A 4.65A 7.3A 7.2A
20m, 13w 15A 5.63A 6.9A 6.8A
If that chart doesn't render well on the list, here's a screen shot of it:
https://imgur.com/GF4IUIy

(This was transmitting a 1500Hz tone, SSB at almost 100% modulation with
14v supplied, and is the value reported by the K3s, though my ammeter
reports a similar value.  I get similar results with FT8 going into an
actual antenna instead of a dummy load.)

So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large
variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the values
of C and L for the KAT3A?

Nick


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[Elecraft] NEW! DIGITAL DISPLAY UNIT for ELECRAFT W2 WATT METER!

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With permission from Eric and Wayne:


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Retains all functions from the W2 front panel
All displayed info obtained directly from the W2
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GREAT ADD-ON TO AN ALREADY GREAT WATT METER!
Note:This is not an Elecraft product!
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Information and pricing goto: www.kv5j.com

I have a limited "In Stock" number of units.  After these sell it will take 
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I only have a few of the first run left. I have started a larger second batch.

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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Jim Brown]

On 5/12/2020 8:11 AM, Buck wrote:
A used K3 would be my recommendation if you don't need portability.  The 
K3 is still one of the finest radios ever made


I agree. The KX3 is a fine radio, but the K3 is much easier to use if 
you want to do modes other than CW and SSB. In today's world, digital 
modes have become quite popular, in large part because they make it 
possible to work through the greatly increased noise levels present 
where most of us live.


 and can run the full 100
watts 


The base K3 is a 15W radio. The 100W amp in a K3/100 is an option.


when QRP just won't cut it.


I work a lot of QRP, but I also work a lot at 1.5 kW.

My first recommendation would be a used K3/100 if you don't need the 
compactness of the KX3, but study the options that are installed. Some 
options are no longer available from Elecraft. Get advice from a K3 
owner if you don't understand the details.


73, Jim K9YC





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[Elecraft] K3S current draw relative to KAT3A settings

[Nicklas Johnson]

I've had a few exchanges with support on this, but as Covid-19 is imposing
some new burdens on the shop, I thought I might ask the larger community
for input as well.

I've been troubleshooting seemingly anomalous power consumption when
transmitting. My K3S pulls way more current on 20m than on 40m for the same
input signal and output power.

After some experimentation, I found that the input current is related to
whether the KAT3A is engaged, and which values of C and L are selected.
The lowest power consumption comes from the highest value for C and the
lowest value for L, and the highest power consumption comes from the lowest
C and highest L.  Here's a chart of what I found going into a dummy load,
manually setting C and L values:


min C/max L max C/min L bypass not-inst
40m, 12w 3.55A 2.23A 3.4A 3.3A
20m, 12w 3.70A 1.99A 3.1A 3.0A





40m, 13w 11.5A 4.65A 7.3A 7.2A
20m, 13w 15A 5.63A 6.9A 6.8A
If that chart doesn't render well on the list, here's a screen shot of it:
https://imgur.com/GF4IUIy

(This was transmitting a 1500Hz tone, SSB at almost 100% modulation with
14v supplied, and is the value reported by the K3s, though my ammeter
reports a similar value.  I get similar results with FT8 going into an
actual antenna instead of a dummy load.)

So I guess the question is this: is it expected to see such a large
variance in power consumption for the same output power based on the values
of C and L for the KAT3A?

   Nick

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[Walter Underwood]

While you are connected, I would save a configuration.

wunder
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> On May 12, 2020, at 11:14 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Yes!  Window > Default Position worked!
> 
> I then sent all new files to the K3S.
> 
> So, I guess I am done?
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 2:09 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
>> 
>> John, on the menu at the top of the screen, click Window --> Set to Default 
>> Position. See if that restores the window.
>> 
>> David, W4SMT
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:01:19 PM EDT, John Stengrevics 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> If I try to click on anything in the Utility pane, it immediately disappears.
>> 
>> The lower box shows:
>> 
>> Elecraft K3 Utility OS X Rev 1.19.9.6
>> OS X Version 10.15.4
>> K3 MCU Revision 05.60. RS - 232 Speed 38400 bps
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

Many thanks David for your patience.

I have to say, that without your expert assistance, I was dead in the water.  

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 2:14 PM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Yes!  Window > Default Position worked!
> 
> I then sent all new files to the K3S.
> 
> So, I guess I am done?
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 2:09 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
>> 
>> John, on the menu at the top of the screen, click Window --> Set to Default 
>> Position. See if that restores the window.
>> 
>> David, W4SMT
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:01:19 PM EDT, John Stengrevics 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> If I try to click on anything in the Utility pane, it immediately disappears.
>> 
>> The lower box shows:
>> 
>> Elecraft K3 Utility OS X Rev 1.19.9.6
>> OS X Version 10.15.4
>> K3 MCU Revision 05.60. RS - 232 Speed 38400 bps
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

David,

Yes!  Window > Default Position worked!

I then sent all new files to the K3S.

So, I guess I am done?

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 2:09 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
> 
> John, on the menu at the top of the screen, click Window --> Set to Default 
> Position. See if that restores the window.
> 
> David, W4SMT
> 
> 
> -
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:01:19 PM EDT, John Stengrevics 
>  wrote: 
> 
> David,
> 
> If I try to click on anything in the Utility pane, it immediately disappears.
> 
> The lower box shows:
> 
> Elecraft K3 Utility OS X Rev 1.19.9.6
> OS X Version 10.15.4
> K3 MCU Revision 05.60. RS - 232 Speed 38400 bps
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Fleming via Elecraft]

John, on the menu at the top of the screen, click Window --> Set to Default 
Position. See if that restores the window.

David, W4SMT


-

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 02:01:19 PM EDT, John Stengrevics 
 wrote: 

David,

If I try to click on anything in the Utility pane, it immediately disappears.

The lower box shows:

Elecraft K3 Utility OS X Rev 1.19.9.6
OS X Version 10.15.4
K3 MCU Revision 05.60. RS - 232 Speed 38400 bps

John
WA1EAZ

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Re: [Elecraft] Direct mounting an AX1 to a T1 ATU?

[Ken Ford - W9LSL]

I currently prefer using the tripod mount (on a small tabletop tripod)
instead of the bipod legs, and slipping a T1 in-line would work well with
that.  I was inspired by the stand provided with my new SWL handheld that
was routed out of a hockey puck - it got me thinking about a way of avoiding
a jumper by creating a stand.

73 -

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

David,

If I try to click on anything in the Utility pane, it immediately disappears.

The lower box shows:

Elecraft K3 Utility OS X Rev 1.19.9.6
OS X Version 10.15.4
K3 MCU Revision 05.60. RS - 232 Speed 38400 bps

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:47 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> Right click on said icon in the icon bar and choose “Show all windows”  — the 
> Utility’s main pane should appear alone in the middle of your screen and you 
> should then be able to click on it and use it.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:41 AM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Yes, the K3 icon appears on the icon bar with a dot beneath it.  Clicking it 
>> makes K3 Utility appear at the top of the screen.  Unfortunately, there’s 
>> nothing useful there.
>> 
>> John
>> WA!EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 1:37 PM, David Herring >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It feels like the utility pane is just simply “hidden” (one can do that 
>>> with command-h, why one would want to I don’t know ;-). ) Anyway, when the 
>>> Utility is running, is there an icon with a dot under it in the icon bar 
>>> (presumably) at the bottom of your screen? If there is, click on it and see 
>>> if that would bring the Utility pane up.
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, John Stengrevics >>> > wrote:
 
 David,
 
 The “About” pane does show up.  It offers the user to read the agreement, 
 but NOT to agree.
 
 The Utility pane does NOT show up.
 
 Tried it from Applications but, same result.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, David Herring  > wrote:
> 
> OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. 
> The question is where the pane is...
> 
> John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the 
> utility, go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose 
> “About K3 Utility”
> 
> Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the 
> actual utility pane with it, by chance? 
> 
> Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an 
> app makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.
> 
> Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in 
> Applications, but I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. 
> But moving it to Applications would be well advised.
> 
> 73,
> 
> David - N5DCH
> 
>  
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics 
>>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>>> questions:
>>> 
>>> Jack W6FB 
>>> Version 1.19.9.6
>>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>>> 
>>> David  N5DCH
>>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
>>> Open, the app appears on the dock
>>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on 
>>> usb serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>>> 
>>> David  W4SMT
>>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About 
>>> K3 Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you 
 double click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app 
 and not the .ZIP file?
 
 Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should 
 run fine on Catalina. 
 
 David, W4SMT
 
 
 On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
 mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
 >> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
 
 I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my 
 breath.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring    >> wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
> website. I installed it on my 

Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Edward R Cole]

OK.  So lets look at what 15-dB does with 10w; answer 316w.  So if 
you bought a KPA500 might feel that's wasting its full potential.  If 
you had a K3/10 or K3s/10 they put out 15w with the firmware 
upgrade.  That would result in 474w.  474/600 is 1-dB.


But then what is the cost differential between a new KX3 and a used K3/100?

Guess other factors might make one more attractive over the other.

My approach was a K3/10 and then a KX3, followed by a KXPA100.  More 
expensive than a basic K3/100 but you can buy a new KX3 or KXPA100 
but not a new K3s.  In my opinion (whatever that's worth) the KX3 
measures up with my K3 pretty well for basic operating (plus smaller 
foot print for the apartment liver).  In full-out urban ham radio 
competition the K3 wins!


Ed - KL7UW .. a long way from urbana
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

AI4NS wrote

> Newer LDMOS amps don?t need much input power to develop full output. I am
> building a 600W amp that needs about 3watts input. My KX3 will do
> just fine. In fact I had an input attenuator made that will allow full
> power from the KX3 drive the amp at full power. I also have a K3/10.
>
> Mike
> AI4NS

That's fine for a homebrewed amp, but the FCC's 15dB gain limitation on
commercial amps makes the input power from a QRP rig like the KX3 limiting
relative to output power.

73, Lou, W0FK


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

There it is!  Let me try it now.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:47 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> Right click on said icon in the icon bar and choose “Show all windows”  — the 
> Utility’s main pane should appear alone in the middle of your screen and you 
> should then be able to click on it and use it.
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:41 AM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Yes, the K3 icon appears on the icon bar with a dot beneath it.  Clicking it 
>> makes K3 Utility appear at the top of the screen.  Unfortunately, there’s 
>> nothing useful there.
>> 
>> John
>> WA!EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 1:37 PM, David Herring >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It feels like the utility pane is just simply “hidden” (one can do that 
>>> with command-h, why one would want to I don’t know ;-). ) Anyway, when the 
>>> Utility is running, is there an icon with a dot under it in the icon bar 
>>> (presumably) at the bottom of your screen? If there is, click on it and see 
>>> if that would bring the Utility pane up.
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, John Stengrevics >>> > wrote:
 
 David,
 
 The “About” pane does show up.  It offers the user to read the agreement, 
 but NOT to agree.
 
 The Utility pane does NOT show up.
 
 Tried it from Applications but, same result.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, David Herring  > wrote:
> 
> OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. 
> The question is where the pane is...
> 
> John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the 
> utility, go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose 
> “About K3 Utility”
> 
> Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the 
> actual utility pane with it, by chance? 
> 
> Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an 
> app makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.
> 
> Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in 
> Applications, but I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. 
> But moving it to Applications would be well advised.
> 
> 73,
> 
> David - N5DCH
> 
>  
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics 
>>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>>> questions:
>>> 
>>> Jack W6FB 
>>> Version 1.19.9.6
>>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>>> 
>>> David  N5DCH
>>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
>>> Open, the app appears on the dock
>>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on 
>>> usb serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>>> 
>>> David  W4SMT
>>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About 
>>> K3 Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you 
 double click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app 
 and not the .ZIP file?
 
 Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should 
 run fine on Catalina. 
 
 David, W4SMT
 
 
 On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
 mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
 >> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
 
 I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my 
 breath.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring    >> wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
> website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked 
> it and it ran just fine. 
> 
> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
> 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Herring]

Right click on said icon in the icon bar and choose “Show all windows”  — the 
Utility’s main pane should appear alone in the middle of your screen and you 
should then be able to click on it and use it.


> On May 12, 2020, at 11:41 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Yes, the K3 icon appears on the icon bar with a dot beneath it.  Clicking it 
> makes K3 Utility appear at the top of the screen.  Unfortunately, there’s 
> nothing useful there.
> 
> John
> WA!EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 1:37 PM, David Herring > > wrote:
>> 
>> It feels like the utility pane is just simply “hidden” (one can do that with 
>> command-h, why one would want to I don’t know ;-). ) Anyway, when the 
>> Utility is running, is there an icon with a dot under it in the icon bar 
>> (presumably) at the bottom of your screen? If there is, click on it and see 
>> if that would bring the Utility pane up.
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, John Stengrevics >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> The “About” pane does show up.  It offers the user to read the agreement, 
>>> but NOT to agree.
>>> 
>>> The Utility pane does NOT show up.
>>> 
>>> Tried it from Applications but, same result.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, David Herring >>> > wrote:
 
 OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. The 
 question is where the pane is...
 
 John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the 
 utility, go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose “About 
 K3 Utility”
 
 Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the 
 actual utility pane with it, by chance? 
 
 Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an 
 app makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.
 
 Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in 
 Applications, but I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. 
 But moving it to Applications would be well advised.
 
 73,
 
 David - N5DCH
 
  
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
> 
> Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>> questions:
>> 
>> Jack W6FB 
>> Version 1.19.9.6
>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>> 
>> David  N5DCH
>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
>> Open, the app appears on the dock
>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
>> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>> 
>> David  W4SMT
>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
>> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>> 
>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you 
>>> double click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app 
>>> and not the .ZIP file?
>>> 
>>> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
>>> fine on Catalina. 
>>> 
>>> David, W4SMT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
>>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
>>> 
>>> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my 
>>> breath.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring >>>  >> wrote:
 
 I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
 website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked 
 it and it ran just fine. 
 
 Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
 double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that 
 there is a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that 
 appears under everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and 
 accepted their terms, the app popped right up. 
 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

David,

Yes, the K3 icon appears on the icon bar with a dot beneath it.  Clicking it 
makes K3 Utility appear at the top of the screen.  Unfortunately, there’s 
nothing useful there.

John
WA!EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:37 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> It feels like the utility pane is just simply “hidden” (one can do that with 
> command-h, why one would want to I don’t know ;-). ) Anyway, when the Utility 
> is running, is there an icon with a dot under it in the icon bar (presumably) 
> at the bottom of your screen? If there is, click on it and see if that would 
> bring the Utility pane up.
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> The “About” pane does show up.  It offers the user to read the agreement, 
>> but NOT to agree.
>> 
>> The Utility pane does NOT show up.
>> 
>> Tried it from Applications but, same result.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, David Herring >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. The 
>>> question is where the pane is...
>>> 
>>> John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the 
>>> utility, go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose “About 
>>> K3 Utility”
>>> 
>>> Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the 
>>> actual utility pane with it, by chance? 
>>> 
>>> Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an app 
>>> makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.
>>> 
>>> Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in Applications, 
>>> but I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. But moving it 
>>> to Applications would be well advised.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman >>> > wrote:
 
 I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
 
 Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
 
 Grant NQ5T
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
> questions:
> 
> Jack W6FB 
> Version 1.19.9.6
> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
> 
> David  N5DCH
> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
> Open, the app appears on the dock
> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
> 
> David  W4SMT
> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
> I’ve rebooted countless times
> 
> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
>> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not 
>> the .ZIP file?
>> 
>> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
>> fine on Catalina. 
>> 
>> David, W4SMT
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
>> >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
>> 
>> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my 
>> breath.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
>>> website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
>>> and it ran just fine. 
>>> 
>>> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
>>> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there 
>>> is a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears 
>>> under everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted 
>>> their terms, the app popped right up. 
>>> 
>>> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
>>> it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I 
>>> think the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might 
>>> respond at some point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 12, 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Herring]

It feels like the utility pane is just simply “hidden” (one can do that with 
command-h, why one would want to I don’t know ;-). ) Anyway, when the Utility 
is running, is there an icon with a dot under it in the icon bar (presumably) 
at the bottom of your screen? If there is, click on it and see if that would 
bring the Utility pane up.

> On May 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> The “About” pane does show up.  It offers the user to read the agreement, but 
> NOT to agree.
> 
> The Utility pane does NOT show up.
> 
> Tried it from Applications but, same result.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, David Herring > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. The 
>> question is where the pane is...
>> 
>> John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the 
>> utility, go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose “About 
>> K3 Utility”
>> 
>> Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the actual 
>> utility pane with it, by chance? 
>> 
>> Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an app 
>> makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.
>> 
>> Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in Applications, 
>> but I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. But moving it to 
>> Applications would be well advised.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
>>> 
>>> Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
>>> 
>>> Grant NQ5T
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics >>> > wrote:
 
 Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
 questions:
 
 Jack W6FB 
 Version 1.19.9.6
 Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
 
 David  N5DCH
 Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
 Open, the app appears on the dock
 Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
 serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
 
 David  W4SMT
 The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
 Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
 I’ve rebooted countless times
 
 Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming  > wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
> .ZIP file?
> 
> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
> fine on Catalina. 
> 
> David, W4SMT
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
> >> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
> 
> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
>> website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
>> and it ran just fine. 
>> 
>> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
>> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there 
>> is a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears 
>> under everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted 
>> their terms, the app popped right up. 
>> 
>> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
>> it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
>> 
>> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I 
>> think the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond 
>> at some point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics >>  >> > >> >> >> 
>>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>>> Catalina same as yours.  

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

David,

The “About” pane does show up.  It offers the user to read the agreement, but 
NOT to agree.

The Utility pane does NOT show up.

Tried it from Applications but, same result.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:21 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. The 
> question is where the pane is...
> 
> John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the 
> utility, go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose “About K3 
> Utility”
> 
> Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the actual 
> utility pane with it, by chance? 
> 
> Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an app 
> makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.
> 
> Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in Applications, 
> but I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. But moving it to 
> Applications would be well advised.
> 
> 73,
> 
> David - N5DCH
> 
>  
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>>> questions:
>>> 
>>> Jack W6FB 
>>> Version 1.19.9.6
>>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>>> 
>>> David  N5DCH
>>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
>>> Open, the app appears on the dock
>>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
>>> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>>> 
>>> David  W4SMT
>>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
>>> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
 click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
 .ZIP file?
 
 Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
 fine on Catalina. 
 
 David, W4SMT
 
 
 On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
 mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
 >> wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
 
 I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring    >> wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
> website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
> and it ran just fine. 
> 
> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there 
> is a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears 
> under everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted 
> their terms, the app popped right up. 
> 
> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
> it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
> 
> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I 
> think the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond 
> at some point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics >  > > > > > 
>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>> Catalina same as yours.  
>> 
>> I assume you just double click it?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >>  > 
>>>  >> >> 
>>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 
>>> 21.5 Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it 
>>> just before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Herring]

OK, from these answers we can deduce that the app is actually running. The 
question is where the pane is...

John, I’ve had this happen to me before on other things…so launch the utility, 
go up to the top and under Elecraft K3 Utility, and choose “About K3 Utility”

Does the “About" pane show up anywhere? And does it bring with it the actual 
utility pane with it, by chance? 

Like I say, this has happened before where opening something else in an app 
makes the app show up.  Worth a shot.

Regarding location of the app, yes it absolutely should be in Applications, but 
I just launched mine from Downloads and it still works. But moving it to 
Applications would be well advised.

73,

David - N5DCH

 

> On May 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 
> 
> Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>> questions:
>> 
>> Jack W6FB 
>> Version 1.19.9.6
>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>> 
>> David  N5DCH
>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click Open, 
>> the app appears on the dock
>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
>> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>> 
>> David  W4SMT
>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
>> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>> 
>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
>>> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
>>> .ZIP file?
>>> 
>>> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
>>> fine on Catalina. 
>>> 
>>> David, W4SMT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
>>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
>>> 
>>> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring >>>  >> wrote:
 
 I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
 website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
 and it ran just fine. 
 
 Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
 double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is 
 a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
 everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their 
 terms, the app popped right up. 
 
 If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
 it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
 
 Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
 the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
 point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
 
 73,
 David - N5DCH
 
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics    >    
> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
> Catalina same as yours.  
> 
> I assume you just double click it?
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >  > 
>>  > > 
>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires 
>> a gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and 
>> installed it and made the gain adjustment.
>> 
>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
>> Windows utility.
>> 
>> Just to let you know it will work great..
>> 
>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >>  >> 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

Good to have the experts on board!

I moved the K3 Utility from Downloads to Applications.  No luck.. Double click 
and same result.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> That shouldn’t really matter … I just downloaded a fresh copy, and ran it 
> straight from the Downloads folder.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft 
>> mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> What directory is the app located in? If on the desktop, move it to the 
>> Applications folder. In Catalina certain directories are restricted - you 
>> have to give permission to access files there. This sounds like the app is 
>> unable to access some of its resources.
>> 
>> By the way, you have two of us who are associated with Elecraft involved 
>> now. W4SMT is the application author. He knows the app inside and out.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Jack, W6FB
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:58 AM, John Stengrevics  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>>> questions:
>>> 
>>> Jack W6FB 
>>> Version 1.19.9.6
>>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>>> 
>>> David  N5DCH
>>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click 
>>> Open, the app appears on the dock
>>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
>>> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>>> 
>>> David  W4SMT
>>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
>>> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming >>>  >> wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
 click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
 .ZIP file?
 
 Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
 fine on Catalina. 
 
 David, W4SMT
 
 
 On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
 mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net> 
 >> wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
 
 I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring    >> wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
> website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
> and it ran just fine. 
> 
> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there 
> is a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears 
> under everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted 
> their terms, the app popped right up. 
> 
> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
> it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
> 
> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I 
> think the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond 
> at some point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics >  > > >  > > 
>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>> Catalina same as yours.  
>> 
>> I assume you just double click it?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >>  > 
>>>  >> >> 
>>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 
>>> 21.5 Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it 
>>> just before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that 
>>> requires a gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it 
>>> and installed it and made the gain adjustment.
>>> 
>>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
>>> Windows utility.
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know it 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[Grant Youngman]

That shouldn’t really matter … I just downloaded a fresh copy, and ran it 
straight from the Downloads folder.

Grant NQ5T

> On May 12, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> What directory is the app located in? If on the desktop, move it to the 
> Applications folder. In Catalina certain directories are restricted - you 
> have to give permission to access files there. This sounds like the app is 
> unable to access some of its resources.
> 
> By the way, you have two of us who are associated with Elecraft involved now. 
> W4SMT is the application author. He knows the app inside and out.
> 
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:58 AM, John Stengrevics  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
>> questions:
>> 
>> Jack W6FB 
>> Version 1.19.9.6
>> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
>> 
>> David  N5DCH
>> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click Open, 
>> the app appears on the dock
>> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
>> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
>> 
>> David  W4SMT
>> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
>> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
>> I’ve rebooted countless times
>> 
>> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
>>> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
>>> .ZIP file?
>>> 
>>> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run 
>>> fine on Catalina. 
>>> 
>>> David, W4SMT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
>>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
>>> 
>>> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring >>> > wrote:
 
 I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
 website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
 and it ran just fine. 
 
 Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
 double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is 
 a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
 everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their 
 terms, the app popped right up. 
 
 If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
 it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
 
 Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
 the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
 point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
 
 73,
 David - N5DCH
 
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics    >> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
> Catalina same as yours.  
> 
> I assume you just double click it?
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >  >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires 
>> a gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and 
>> installed it and made the gain adjustment.
>> 
>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
>> Windows utility.
>> 
>> Just to let you know it will work great..
>> 
>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
>>> incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: John Stengrevics >>>  >>
 Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
 Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
 To: Elecraft Mailer >>>  

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

What directory is the app located in? If on the desktop, move it to the 
Applications folder. In Catalina certain directories are restricted - you have 
to give permission to access files there. This sounds like the app is unable to 
access some of its resources.

By the way, you have two of us who are associated with Elecraft involved now. 
W4SMT is the application author. He knows the app inside and out.

73,
Jack, W6FB


> On May 12, 2020, at 9:58 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
> questions:
> 
> Jack W6FB 
> Version 1.19.9.6
> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
> 
> David  N5DCH
> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click Open, 
> the app appears on the dock
> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
> 
> David  W4SMT
> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
> I’ve rebooted countless times
> 
> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
>> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
>> .ZIP file?
>> 
>> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run fine 
>> on Catalina. 
>> 
>> David, W4SMT
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
>> 
>> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>> > On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
>> > website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it 
>> > and it ran just fine. 
>> > 
>> > Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
>> > double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is 
>> > a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
>> > everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their 
>> > terms, the app popped right up. 
>> > 
>> > If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
>> > it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
>> > 
>> > Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
>> > the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
>> > point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
>> > 
>> > 73,
>> > David - N5DCH
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics > >>  > >> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>> >> Catalina same as yours.  
>> >> 
>> >> I assume you just double click it?
>> >> 
>> >> 73,
>> >> 
>> >> John
>> >> WA1EAZ
>> >> 
>> >>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond > >>>  >> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
>> >>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
>> >>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires 
>> >>> a gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and 
>> >>> installed it and made the gain adjustment.
>> >>> 
>> >>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
>> >>> Windows utility.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Just to let you know it will work great..
>> >>> 
>> >>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>> >>> 
>>  On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >   >  >> wrote:
>>  
>>  Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
>>  incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
>>  
>>  John
>>  WA1EAZ
>>  
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> > 
>> > From: John Stengrevics > >  > > >>
>> > Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
>> > Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
>> > To: Elecraft Mailer > >  > > >>
>> > Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com  
>> > >
>> > 
>> > I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an 
>> > 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[Grant Youngman]

I don’t know guys.  It starts up fine here. 

Macbook Pro 2018, i7, latest Catalina.

Grant NQ5T

> On May 12, 2020, at 12:58 PM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your 
> questions:
> 
> Jack W6FB 
> Version 1.19.9.6
> Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing
> 
> David  N5DCH
> Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click Open, 
> the app appears on the dock
> Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb 
> serial - A503xyao at 38400 bps
> 
> David  W4SMT
> The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
> Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
> I’ve rebooted countless times
> 
> Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
>> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
>> .ZIP file?
>> 
>> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run fine 
>> on Catalina. 
>> 
>> David, W4SMT
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
>> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
>> 
>> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
>>> website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and 
>>> it ran just fine. 
>>> 
>>> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
>>> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is 
>>> a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
>>> everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, 
>>> the app popped right up. 
>>> 
>>> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
>>> it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
>>> the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
>>> point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics >>>  >> wrote:
 
 Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
 Catalina same as yours.  
 
 I assume you just double click it?
 
 73,
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond   >> wrote:
> 
> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires 
> a gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and 
> installed it and made the gain adjustment.
> 
> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
> Windows utility.
> 
> Just to let you know it will work great..
> 
> 73, Bill-AK5X
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
>> incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: John Stengrevics >>  >> >>
>>> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
>>> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
>>> To: Elecraft Mailer >>  >> >>
>>> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an 
>>> option for updating firmware on the Utility.  
>>> 
>>> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Direct mounting an AX1 to a T1 ATU?

[David Thompson via Elecraft]

I wonder if the tripod mount would work to hold the T1, AX1, run a counterpoise 
or two from the mount, and then a cable to the radio?

Any thoughts?

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthomp...@me.com




> On May 12, 2020, at 09:37, Jim Sheldon  wrote:
> 
> I've done it and it works just fine.  Make sure you use at least one good 
> counterpoise (preferably 2 or more though - gives the T1 a much better time 
> of it finding a match.
> 
> Jim - W0EB
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Ken Ford - W9LSL" 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 5/12/2020 11:16:16 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Direct mounting an AX1 to a T1 ATU?
> 
>> I’m considering using my AX1 with a few other small QRP rigs that do not have
>> internal tuners like my KX-3.  Has anyone tried direct mounting an AX1 to a
>> T1, and using a stand to hold it all upright?  I’m thinking simple and fast
>> picnic table portable ops for short lunchtimes...
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Ken Ford W9LSL
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

Thanks to all for taking the time to help.  Here are answers to your questions:

Jack W6FB 
Version 1.19.9.6
Several times it showed ”initiatializing” then nothing

David  N5DCH
Yes, warned about running something downloaded from the web.   I click Open, 
the app appears on the dock
Right click on the app:  Elecraft K3 Utility V1 19.9.6 -S/N 10755 on usb serial 
- A503xyao at 38400 bps

David  W4SMT
The K3 Utility menu appears but there is very little under it:  About K3 
Utility, Services, Hide, Quit
I’ve rebooted countless times

Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, David Fleming  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double 
> click the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the 
> .ZIP file?
> 
> Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run fine 
> on Catalina. 
> 
> David, W4SMT
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics 
> mailto:jstengrev...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
> 
> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
> > On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft 
> > website. I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and 
> > it ran just fine. 
> > 
> > Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
> > double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is 
> > a “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
> > everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, 
> > the app popped right up. 
> > 
> > If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if 
> > it’s waiting for input from you somewhere. 
> > 
> > Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
> > the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
> > point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
> > 
> > 73,
> > David - N5DCH
> > 
> > 
> >> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics  >>   >> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
> >> Catalina same as yours.  
> >> 
> >> I assume you just double click it?
> >> 
> >> 73,
> >> 
> >> John
> >> WA1EAZ
> >> 
> >>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond  >>>  >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
> >>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
> >>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires 
> >>> a gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and 
> >>> installed it and made the gain adjustment.
> >>> 
> >>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
> >>> Windows utility.
> >>> 
> >>> Just to let you know it will work great..
> >>> 
> >>> 73, Bill-AK5X
> >>> 
>  On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics      >> wrote:
>  
>  Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
>  incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
>  
>  John
>  WA1EAZ
>  
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > From: John Stengrevics  >   > >>
> > Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
> > Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
> > To: Elecraft Mailer  >   > >>
> > Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com  
> > >
> > 
> > I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an 
> > option for updating firmware on the Utility.  
> > 
> > I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > John
> > WA1EAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] Direct mounting an AX1 to a T1 ATU?

[Jim Sheldon]

I've done it and it works just fine.  Make sure you use at least one 
good counterpoise (preferably 2 or more though - gives the T1 a much 
better time of it finding a match.


Jim - W0EB

-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Ford - W9LSL" 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 5/12/2020 11:16:16 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Direct mounting an AX1 to a T1 ATU?


I’m considering using my AX1 with a few other small QRP rigs that do not have
internal tuners like my KX-3.  Has anyone tried direct mounting an AX1 to a
T1, and using a stand to hold it all upright?  I’m thinking simple and fast
picnic table portable ops for short lunchtimes...

Thanks!

Ken Ford W9LSL



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Fleming via Elecraft]

Hi John,
Does the K3 Utility menu appear at the top of the screen when you double click 
the app? Are you sure you’re clicking on the actual app and not the .ZIP file?
Have you tried a reboot? The most current version (1.19.9.6) should run fine on 
Catalina. 
David, W4SMT



On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:23 PM, John Stengrevics  
wrote:

Hi David,

That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.

I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft website. 
> I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and it ran 
> just fine. 
> 
> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is a 
> “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
> everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, 
> the app popped right up. 
> 
> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if it’s 
> waiting for input from you somewhere. 
> 
> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
> the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
> point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>> Catalina same as yours.  
>> 
>> I assume you just double click it?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
>>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
>>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires a 
>>> gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and installed 
>>> it and made the gain adjustment.
>>> 
>>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the Windows 
>>> utility.
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know it will work great..
>>> 
>>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >>> > wrote:
 
 Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
 incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: John Stengrevics  >
> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
> To: Elecraft Mailer  >
> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com 
> 
> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an option 
> for updating firmware on the Utility.  
> 
> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Herring]

John,

When you try to run the utility, has MacOS ever at any point popped up and 
warned you that you’re trying to run something downloaded from the Internet?

Also, will you right click on the app, choose “get info” and check that it is 
22,545,264 bytes in size, and that is says it’s “kind” is “application?”

73,
David - N5DCH

> On May 12, 2020, at 10:13 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
> 
> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft website. 
>> I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and it ran 
>> just fine. 
>> 
>> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
>> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is a 
>> “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
>> everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, 
>> the app popped right up. 
>> 
>> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if it’s 
>> waiting for input from you somewhere. 
>> 
>> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
>> the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
>> point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>>> Catalina same as yours.  
>>> 
>>> I assume you just double click it?
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
 Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
 before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires a 
 gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and installed 
 it and made the gain adjustment.
 
 The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
 Windows utility.
 
 Just to let you know it will work great..
 
 73, Bill-AK5X
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics  > wrote:
> 
> Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
> incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: John Stengrevics > >
>> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
>> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
>> To: Elecraft Mailer > >
>> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com 
>> 
>> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an 
>> option for updating firmware on the Utility.  
>> 
>> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

Just to make sure - you are trying the latest version of the utility, freshly 
downloaded from the web site, right? If not, then go to the website and 
download it. Only the latest version is Catalina compatible.

Now, exactly what happens when you install and try to run the Utility? 

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On May 12, 2020, at 9:13 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.
> 
> I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring  wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft website. 
>> I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and it ran 
>> just fine. 
>> 
>> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
>> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is a 
>> “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
>> everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, 
>> the app popped right up. 
>> 
>> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if it’s 
>> waiting for input from you somewhere. 
>> 
>> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
>> the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
>> point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>>> Catalina same as yours.  
>>> 
>>> I assume you just double click it?
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
 Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
 before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires a 
 gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and installed 
 it and made the gain adjustment.
 
 The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the 
 Windows utility.
 
 Just to let you know it will work great..
 
 73, Bill-AK5X
 
> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics  > wrote:
> 
> Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
> incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: John Stengrevics > >
>> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
>> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
>> To: Elecraft Mailer > >
>> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com 
>> 
>> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an 
>> option for updating firmware on the Utility.  
>> 
>> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
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[Elecraft] Direct mounting an AX1 to a T1 ATU?

[Ken Ford - W9LSL]

I’m considering using my AX1 with a few other small QRP rigs that do not have
internal tuners like my KX-3.  Has anyone tried direct mounting an AX1 to a
T1, and using a stand to hold it all upright?  I’m thinking simple and fast
picnic table portable ops for short lunchtimes...

Thanks!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

Hi David,

That box asking to accept terms doesn’t come up for me.

I’ve emailed tech support again (twice yesterday) - not holding my breath.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 12:06 PM, David Herring  wrote:
> 
> I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft website. 
> I installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and it ran 
> just fine. 
> 
> Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I 
> double-clicked seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is a 
> “click to accept license terms and conditions” pane that appears under 
> everything else on the desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, 
> the app popped right up. 
> 
> If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if it’s 
> waiting for input from you somewhere. 
> 
> Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think 
> the author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some 
> point if we don’t get it going for you before long.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
>> Catalina same as yours.  
>> 
>> I assume you just double click it?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
>>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
>>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires a 
>>> gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and installed 
>>> it and made the gain adjustment.
>>> 
>>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the Windows 
>>> utility.
>>> 
>>> Just to let you know it will work great..
>>> 
>>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>>> 
 On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >>> > wrote:
 
 Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
 incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
 
 John
 WA1EAZ
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: John Stengrevics  >
> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
> To: Elecraft Mailer  >
> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com 
> 
> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an option 
> for updating firmware on the Utility.  
> 
> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
 
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[Elecraft] Rig forCW

[John Harper]

A major advantage of the KX2 over the KX3 is the internal battery chemistry
(Li-Ion vs. NiMH) - important if you intend to operate portable. If not, a
used K3 is the better choice.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[David Herring]

I just downloaded the K3 Utility version 1.19.9.6 from the Elecraft website. I 
installed it on my macOS Catalina machine, double clicked it and it ran just 
fine. 

Initially I thought I had recreated your problem, in that when I double-clicked 
seemingly nothing happened,  but I discovered that there is a “click to accept 
license terms and conditions” pane that appears under everything else on the 
desktop. Once I found that and accepted their terms, the app popped right up. 

If you just installed this app, maybe dig around under things to see if it’s 
waiting for input from you somewhere. 

Otherwise, a quick note to Elecraft support may be in order.  Also I think the 
author of the app may monitor this reflector and might respond at some point if 
we don’t get it going for you before long.

73,
David - N5DCH


> On May 12, 2020, at 9:29 AM, John Stengrevics  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with 
> Catalina same as yours.  
> 
> I assume you just double click it?
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 
>> Late 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just 
>> before this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires a 
>> gain adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and installed it 
>> and made the gain adjustment.
>> 
>> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the Windows 
>> utility.
>> 
>> Just to let you know it will work great..
>> 
>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
>>> incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: John Stengrevics 
 Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
 Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
 To: Elecraft Mailer 
 Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com
 
 I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an option 
 for updating firmware on the Utility.  
 
 I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
 
 73,
 
 John
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Re: [Elecraft] Connecting XLR 1/4 Inch Mic Cable to K3S

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

For years the pro audio industry has connected balanced mikes to 
unbalanced inputs with excellent results.  No adapters, transformers, 
matching units, or unique grounding schemes are required.  Just correct 
wiring as I described earlier.   It is just two connectors, one XLR for 
the mike and one 8 pin Foster connector for the radio and a length of 2 
conductor shielded mike cable.


73

Bob, K4TAX



On 5/11/2020 10:41 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
If you are terribly concerned about connecting a balanced mic to an 
unbalanced input there are plenty of commercial adapters out ther, 
some of them even cost more than $10.



On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:31 PM Nr4c > wrote:


Agreed, they are not balanced.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 11, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX
mailto:rmcg...@blomand.net>> wrote:
>
>  I don't find that either the front or rear MIC inputs are
balanced inputs.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>> On 5/11/2020 9:02 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> 1/4 to 1/8 TRS and plug in rear mic jack.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
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>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> I'd like to connect an XLR mic cable that has a 1/4 inch TRS
plug to my K3S. It seems the only way to do that is wire a female
1/4 inch TRS to an 8-pin mic connector.
>>>
>>> It would be easier to use a 1/4 to 1/8th inch adapter and
connect through the rear mic input, but I don't believe it
accommodates balanced mics?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

Thanks Bill.  That’s really odd.  It won’t run on my MacBook Pro with Catalina 
same as yours.  

I assume you just double click it?

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, William Hammond  wrote:
> 
> Hi John, I have an oldish iMac but the latest OS software; 10.15.4, 21.5 Late 
> 2013, 2.9 MHZ I5, it runs the utility just fine.  I tested it just before 
> this email , where I discovered there is a new load that requires a gain 
> adjustment on the K3s for six meters.  I downloaded it and installed it and 
> made the gain adjustment.
> 
> The utility is 1.19.9.6, Sept 12, 2019, not the same version as the Windows 
> utility.
> 
> Just to let you know it will work great..
> 
> 73, Bill-AK5X
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 8:33 AM, John Stengrevics  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps 
>> incompatible with the latest MacOS Catalina?
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: John Stengrevics 
>>> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
>>> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
>>> To: Elecraft Mailer 
>>> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com
>>> 
>>> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an option 
>>> for updating firmware on the Utility.  
>>> 
>>> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Buck]

A used K3 would be my recommendation if you don't need portability.  The 
K3 is still one of the finest radios ever made and can run the full 100 
watts when QRP just won't cut it.


k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
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On 5/12/2020 9:06 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote:

Or maybe pick up a used K3.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:44 AM W0FK  wrote:


The KX3 allows you to add roofing filters (KXFL3 option), wherease kx2 does
not.

“ The KXFL3 is actually 4 different filters that are shared between Phone
and CW modes.  Containing 2 filters for each mode, the filters switch
points
are:
CW Mode:  500 hz and 1500 hz
Phone mode:  1800 hz and your choice of 2400 or 2900, menu configurable”

If the kx3 is your main radio, and your focus is CW, having the ability to
add narrow passband filtering is essential.

Are you planning to run more power than 10-15 watts? If so, adding
capabilities up to 100 watts via an external amp is pretty simple. If
you’re
going to be adding more power, and don’t plan on using the portability of
the kx3, consider a used K3/100 which has a lot more flexibility for narrow
roofing filters, 100 amps built in and an easier path to adding a kw amp.

73, Lou, W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Tommy Judson via Elecraft]

Bet everyone will second your ‘Right On’ note Ray!

> On May 12, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Ray Grace - WA6OWM  wrote:
> 
> DE WA6OWM
> About the Elecraft ATU
>  
> To:  Dave, K8WPE
> Your comments in the second paragraph are ‘Right On’ Best message in email in 
> years.
> Ray – WA6OWM
> KX3 w/ATU,  stand alone Elecraft T1 ATU (used with Flex Radio 1500.
>  
> “And as a side note the Elecraft antenna tuners, in rigs or separately can’t 
> be beat.  They will tune a wet noodle if that is needed for your ham radio 
> experience. They almost make you think your really lousy antenna is the 
> greatest because they will tune it, but again, if the results aren’t what you 
> want it’s probably a poor antenna and the tuner is making it look better than 
> it is.  Make a good antenna first and then use a tuner to take the pressure 
> off your finals or expand the bandwidth. “

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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[W0FK]

AI4NS wrote
> Newer LDMOS amps don’t need much input power to develop full output. I am
> building a 600W amp that needs about 3watts input. My KX3 will do
> just fine. In fact I had an input attenuator made that will allow full
> power from the KX3 drive the amp at full power. I also have a K3/10.
> 
> Mike
> AI4NS

That's fine for a homebrewed amp, but the FCC's 15dB gain limitation on
commercial amps makes the input power from a QRP rig like the KX3 limiting
relative to output power.

73, Lou, W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Brian Short]

I bought a used KX3 with the tuner and roofing filter a couple years ago.
I also bought an attachable paddle from QRPguys.  I have not been
looking, but I see very few KX2s for sale used.  I guess if you are ordering
(a new one) that isn't a consideration.

I am not out camping or traveling right now, but my KX3 isn't for sale.

Good luck.

On May 12, 2020, at 6:18 AM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
> May be there are more kx3 users because the kx3 was introduced long before 
> the kx2 and we kx3 users love them. The only reason to have a kx2 over a kx3 
> is size and weight, and maybe curiosity.
> 
> Brian VE3GMZ 
> 
> David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning,  I have a simple but difficult question for the CW ops.
>> 
>> I’m wanting to get back to ham radio and specifically CW.  Since I’m 
>> starting from scratch I am looking hard at all equipment needed to get on 
>> the air.  I’ve ordered supplies to assemble a 40M inverted V and have been 
>> thinking the best first rig I ought to order would be a KX2.  Now reading 
>> the posts on this forum I see that 95% of the ops use the KX3s.
>> 
>> Would anyone please like to educate me on these very unbalanced rig 
>> ownership numbers?
>> 
>> Thank you, Tommy

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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Mike Short]

Newer LDMOS amps don’t need much input power to develop full output. I am
building a 600W amp that needs about 3watts input. My KX3 will do
just fine. In fact I had an input attenuator made that will allow full
power from the KX3 drive the amp at full power. I also have a K3/10.

Mike
AI4NS


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 07:44 W0FK  wrote:

> The KX3 allows you to add roofing filters (KXFL3 option), wherease kx2 does
> not.
>
> “ The KXFL3 is actually 4 different filters that are shared between Phone
> and CW modes.  Containing 2 filters for each mode, the filters switch
> points
> are:
> CW Mode:  500 hz and 1500 hz
> Phone mode:  1800 hz and your choice of 2400 or 2900, menu configurable”
>
> If the kx3 is your main radio, and your focus is CW, having the ability to
> add narrow passband filtering is essential.
>
> Are you planning to run more power than 10-15 watts? If so, adding
> capabilities up to 100 watts via an external amp is pretty simple. If
> you’re
> going to be adding more power, and don’t plan on using the portability of
> the kx3, consider a used K3/100 which has a lot more flexibility for narrow
> roofing filters, 100 amps built in and an easier path to adding a kw amp.
>
> 73, Lou, W0FK
>

>
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[Elecraft] Fwd: K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

Further to my earlier email:  The Utility does not run.  Perhaps incompatible 
with the latest MacOS Catalina?

John
WA1EAZ

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: John Stengrevics 
> Subject: K3S Firmware Update for Mac
> Date: May 12, 2020 at 8:55:33 AM EDT
> To: Elecraft Mailer 
> Cc: donw...@embarqmail.com
> 
> I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an option for 
> updating firmware on the Utility.  
> 
> I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[brianchapnick]

May be there are more kx3 users because the kx3 was introduced long before the 
kx2 and we kx3 users love them. The only reason to have a kx2 over a kx3 is 
size and weight, and maybe curiosity.

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I have both rigs and mostly use just the basic stuff for home and camping 
CW/SSB QRP contacts so the KX2 works, BUT The KX2 isn’t much of a cost savings 
over the KX3 and the KX3 has a lot more features.  The only reason I would 
choose the KX2 again is if I was backpacking and size/weight were important.  
The KX2 was “so cute” I had to have one and ran to the booth at Dayton the next 
morning after Eric’s introductory lecture about it at FDIM to purchase #34 from 
him.  It’s a fun rig, works well, but if you can have only one get the KX3.

And as a side note the Elecraft antenna tuners, in rigs or separately can’t be 
beat.  They will tune a wet noodle if that is needed for your ham radio 
experience. They almost make you think your really lousy antenna is the 
greatest because they will tune it, but again, if the results aren’t what you 
want it’s probably a poor antenna and the tuner is making it look better than 
it is.  Make a good antenna first and then use a tuner to take the pressure off 
your finals or expand the bandwidth. 

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad

> On May 12, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
>
> Good Morning,  I have a simple but difficult question for the CW ops.
>
> I’m wanting to get back to ham radio and specifically CW.  Since I’m starting 
> from scratch I am looking hard at all equipment needed to get on the air.  
> I’ve ordered supplies to assemble a 40M inverted V and have been thinking the 
> best first rig I ought to order would be a KX2.  Now reading the posts on 
> this forum I see that 95% of the ops use the KX3s.
>
> Would anyone please like to educate me on these very unbalanced rig ownership 
> numbers?
>
> Thank you, Tommy2
>
>> *
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Ted Roycraft]

Or maybe pick up a used K3.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:44 AM W0FK  wrote:

> The KX3 allows you to add roofing filters (KXFL3 option), wherease kx2 does
> not.
>
> “ The KXFL3 is actually 4 different filters that are shared between Phone
> and CW modes.  Containing 2 filters for each mode, the filters switch
> points
> are:
> CW Mode:  500 hz and 1500 hz
> Phone mode:  1800 hz and your choice of 2400 or 2900, menu configurable”
>
> If the kx3 is your main radio, and your focus is CW, having the ability to
> add narrow passband filtering is essential.
>
> Are you planning to run more power than 10-15 watts? If so, adding
> capabilities up to 100 watts via an external amp is pretty simple. If
> you’re
> going to be adding more power, and don’t plan on using the portability of
> the kx3, consider a used K3/100 which has a lot more flexibility for narrow
> roofing filters, 100 amps built in and an easier path to adding a kw amp.
>
> 73, Lou, W0FK
>
>
>
> -
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>
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[Elecraft] K3S Firmware Update for Mac

[John Stengrevics]

I have downloaded the latest K3S Utility.  However, I don’t see an option for 
updating firmware on the Utility.  

I’m probably overlooking something simple.  Appreciate any suggestions.

73,

John
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[W0FK]

The KX3 allows you to add roofing filters (KXFL3 option), wherease kx2 does
not.

“ The KXFL3 is actually 4 different filters that are shared between Phone
and CW modes.  Containing 2 filters for each mode, the filters switch points
are:
CW Mode:  500 hz and 1500 hz
Phone mode:  1800 hz and your choice of 2400 or 2900, menu configurable”

If the kx3 is your main radio, and your focus is CW, having the ability to
add narrow passband filtering is essential.

Are you planning to run more power than 10-15 watts? If so, adding
capabilities up to 100 watts via an external amp is pretty simple. If you’re
going to be adding more power, and don’t plan on using the portability of
the kx3, consider a used K3/100 which has a lot more flexibility for narrow
roofing filters, 100 amps built in and an easier path to adding a kw amp.

73, Lou, W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Tommy Judson via Elecraft]

Thanks Dave,

Your points parallel my thinking.  Just want to have all the ducks in a row 
before pulling the trigger on an order.

I especially agree with the last sentence…make a good antenna first...

> On May 12, 2020, at 6:51 AM, David Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> I have both rigs and mostly use just the basic stuff for home and camping 
> CW/SSB QRP contacts so the KX2 works, BUT The KX2 isn’t much of a cost 
> savings over the KX3 and the KX3 has a lot more features.  The only reason I 
> would choose the KX2 again is if I was backpacking and size/weight were 
> important.  The KX2 was “so cute” I had to have one and ran to the booth at 
> Dayton the next morning after Eric’s introductory lecture about it at FDIM to 
> purchase #34 from him.  It’s a fun rig, works well, but if you can have only 
> one get the KX3.
> 
> And as a side note the Elecraft antenna tuners, in rigs or separately can’t 
> be beat.  They will tune a wet noodle if that is needed for your ham radio 
> experience. They almost make you think your really lousy antenna is the 
> greatest because they will tune it, but again, if the results aren’t what you 
> want it’s probably a poor antenna and the tuner is making it look better than 
> it is.  Make a good antenna first and then use a tuner to take the pressure 
> off your finals or expand the bandwidth.  
> 
> Dave K8WPE
> 
> David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad
> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning,  I have a simple but difficult question for the CW ops.
>> 
>> I’m wanting to get back to ham radio and specifically CW.  Since I’m 
>> starting from scratch I am looking hard at all equipment needed to get on 
>> the air.  I’ve ordered supplies to assemble a 40M inverted V and have been 
>> thinking the best first rig I ought to order would be a KX2.  Now reading 
>> the posts on this forum I see that 95% of the ops use the KX3s.
>> 
>> Would anyone please like to educate me on these very unbalanced rig 
>> ownership numbers?
>> 
>> Thank you, Tommy2
>> 
>>> *
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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[David Wilcox via Elecraft]

I have both rigs and mostly use just the basic stuff for home and camping 
CW/SSB QRP contacts so the KX2 works, BUT The KX2 isn’t much of a cost savings 
over the KX3 and the KX3 has a lot more features.  The only reason I would 
choose the KX2 again is if I was backpacking and size/weight were important.  
The KX2 was “so cute” I had to have one and ran to the booth at Dayton the next 
morning after Eric’s introductory lecture about it at FDIM to purchase #34 from 
him.  It’s a fun rig, works well, but if you can have only one get the KX3.

And as a side note the Elecraft antenna tuners, in rigs or separately can’t be 
beat.  They will tune a wet noodle if that is needed for your ham radio 
experience. They almost make you think your really lousy antenna is the 
greatest because they will tune it, but again, if the results aren’t what you 
want it’s probably a poor antenna and the tuner is making it look better than 
it is.  Make a good antenna first and then use a tuner to take the pressure off 
your finals or expand the bandwidth.  

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad

> On May 12, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,  I have a simple but difficult question for the CW ops.
> 
> I’m wanting to get back to ham radio and specifically CW.  Since I’m starting 
> from scratch I am looking hard at all equipment needed to get on the air.  
> I’ve ordered supplies to assemble a 40M inverted V and have been thinking the 
> best first rig I ought to order would be a KX2.  Now reading the posts on 
> this forum I see that 95% of the ops use the KX3s.
> 
> Would anyone please like to educate me on these very unbalanced rig ownership 
> numbers?
> 
> Thank you, Tommy2
> 
>> *
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[Elecraft] my K144XV module is sold and gone

[Jim Spears]

This was more popular than I expected.  Six or seven folks wrote in wanting
to purchase it.  but it is off to its new home in Kentucky.

 

Jim

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Re: [Elecraft] Rig forCW

[Tommy Judson via Elecraft]

Good Morning,  I have a simple but difficult question for the CW ops.

I’m wanting to get back to ham radio and specifically CW.  Since I’m starting 
from scratch I am looking hard at all equipment needed to get on the air.  I’ve 
ordered supplies to assemble a 40M inverted V and have been thinking the best 
first rig I ought to order would be a KX2.  Now reading the posts on this forum 
I see that 95% of the ops use the KX3s.

Would anyone please like to educate me on these very unbalanced rig ownership 
numbers?

Thank you, Tommy2

> *

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