[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2021-09-04 Thread kevin 

Good Evening,

   It has been a cool and thankfully smoke free week.  The alder trees 
are starting to lose their leaves.  Black berries are plentiful, 
huckleberries are few, with ever more bear berries. The latter are 
bringing more grouse.  I actually saw a bear eating them once.  I 
thought I saw a single elk cow browsing through, but found the rest of 
her troupe a little later.  She was in the lead.


   Propagation remains stagnant, the CMEs are missing the Earth. Not 
many sunspots, none of them very active.  But a lot of activity can 
create a lot of noise.  A strong signal in heavy noise as compared to a 
weak signal with no noise.  Both states have positive features :)


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7047 kHz at z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

   73,
  Kevin. KD5ONS


-



Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.


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Re: [Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread Jim Brown 

On 9/4/2021 2:48 PM, jerry wrote:

31-mix is supposed to be the hot ticket for HF common mode
chokes.  One turn through one core is supposed to be 98 ohms at 5MHz. So 
four cores should give me about 400 ohms, which should give a worthwhile 
attenuation in a 50 ohm system.  Thanks for the references.


I'm the guy that did the original work on this, beginning in 2003, when 
#31 was a brand new mix. I got five of the first #31 toroids from the 
pre-production run, a few months after I suggested that they would be 
quite useful. My first publication was a paper to a 2005 international 
meeting of the Audio Engineering Society, of which I'm a Fellow. First 
publication to the ham world was RFI-Ham.pdf in 2007. And you are 
mistaken about the value of four cores at HF. Study that paper. It's a 
tutorial on how RFI happens and how chokes work.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] MH3 mic case

2021-09-04 Thread Don Wilhelm 

Geert,

From your description of the "straight connections" and round plug, I 
believe you are referring to the MH4 - the original question was about 
the MH3 which has a 1/8 inch TRRS plug and resistors in the microphone 
for the buttons.


The MH4 is usable with the K2 and K3, the MH3 is usable with the KX2 and 
KX3.


The plastic case for both microphones is the same.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/4/2021 6:26 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:


Does anyone know if Elecraft sell replacement cases for this 
expensive microphone? I've barely used mine (I'm a CW chap) and it's 
already fallen apart! The three plastic internal mounting pillars 
have snapped off. I guess it's been dropped, but only on to carpet 
and I'm minded to think a $70 mic should easily withstand that.


Last month I emailed Elecraft via their online parts order form, but 
not had an acknowledgement. Maybe they're all on summer leave?


Making forms for plastic moulding is extremely expensive and Elecraft 
did not make one specially for the MH3.


Looking on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/281509579500 finds a 
microphone that uses the same case. The electronics inside is 
different (and, frankly, the MH3's innards are a lot nicer than these 
ebay microphones) but the casing is the same.

It has a different brand name on the case but that is only a sticker.

You can make these ebay microphones work by changing the wiring a bit, 
especially for the down/up buttonw. The radios these are sold for use 
resistors on the PTT line to signal up and down, on Elecraft they are 
direct connections.

And PTT and audio are on other pins so you need to change that too.

When I have the microphone plug open, I always add a 5K6 resistor 
between the 5V and the mic output in the plug. This power the electret 
microphone irrespective of "mic bias" settings in the menu. And it 
makes the same microphone also usable on the K2 (where the up and down 
buttons don't work, alas).


In defense of Elecraft, yes, their microphones are probably "also made 
in the east" but there is a difference in quality which will be quite 
visible when you compare them. Having said that, an electret 
microphone is an electret microphone and the reports on the air are 
not different.


And, if the round plug is change for, for instance th Neutrik NTP3RC 
(see https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/ntp3rc) then the same 
microphone will also work on the KX3. You will need to change the 
wiring to make the buttons work but that is not hard.


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Re: [Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread Don Wilhelm 

Jerry,

It sounds like some RF from the KPA100 could be getting into the base K2.

Is your KPA100 upgraded with the latest updates, AND the new shield?

For the latest update, peek between the shield and the board - If you 
see blue toroid cores at RFC1 and L16, then it is up to date - OTOH, if 
you see red core toroids at L15 and L16, install KPA100UPKT.


On the shield, it should have spring clips to ground it to the sides of 
the base K2 - make certain that the area where the spring clips contact 
the sides of the base K2 has been cleared of all paint - sandpaper works.
Also check the width of the slot in the shield next to the SO239 ANT 
jack - it should be only a bit wider than 1/8 inch.  If it is the older 
wide slot, replace the shield with KPA100SHLDKT.
Also, there should be 2 bent-over solder lugs that connect the top of 
the shield to the SO239 jack.  Make sure they are soldered together.  If 
missing, they are supplied as part of KPA100SHLDKT.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/4/2021 5:03 PM, jerry wrote:

Hi Elecraft list & Bob,

Sigh.  Sometimes it don't pay to get up in the morning.

First, I was having a CW QSO on 40M with a station in the East Coast...
My K2/10 was driving the Tiny Linear - we were seeing 150W on the meter.
Suddenly, the screen of the linear flashed bright white, and the RF 
went away, leaving me with the barefoot K2.


  Seems that 150W was Just Too Much for the little fan-driven heat 
sink, and the PA transistor shorted out.  My fault, of course.  I have 
a few more of those transistors, but I'll have to hold the power down, 
instrument the heat sink temperature, and put in some sort of protection.


  In the meantime...

  I installed the recently acquired KPA100 in my K2.  Actually, that 
KPA100 came from ANOTHER K2, acquired on Ebay.  I swapped it into my 
first K2, because that one has the V2 mods, including the upgraded 
crystals.


  So here I am, ready to continue hamming.  My K2 ( now /100 ) is 
doing strange rf-in-the-shack'y things.  If I send a bit of CW, my 
sent CW starts breaking up, and strange pops and clicks (like relays ) 
come out of the radio.  Then when I stop sending, the radio is 
completely silent - no audio.  I can see band noise and signals on the 
S-meter(bargraph) but no audio WHATSOEVER.  Hitting a band button or 
the display button fixes it, and audio is back.


  Sometimes OTOH, when I stop transmitting, the audio comes back much 
LOUDER than it was before I transmitted.


  This all happens at any power level where the final is engaged. If I 
turn the power down to 8W or so, all is good.  If otoh, I turn the 
power knob anywhere past that *click* where the PA comes on line, the 
bad things happen. Even at, say, 12W.


   I made up a short length of RG8/U with 4 Palomar 31-mix giant 
ferrite beads - a common mode choke.  No difference.


   With a dummy load, all is good.  No fuss no muss, it just transmits 
nice.


   The antenna is very low SWR.  It is a 6BTV vertical about 100 feet 
up the hill from the house.  There is an MFJ998RT remote autotuner up 
at the base of the antenna.  It is grounded with an Ufer ground - 80 
feet of #6 copper wire

buried in the concrete pad, which is 70 feet long by 10 feet wide.

   If I turn the PA off, the K2 behaves well, even at the full 15W. 
Tune mode shows SWR 1.2 to 1.  My K2 btw has the KDSP2 audio filter.


    - Jerry KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread David Herring 
Jerry,

As I understand it, about 5000 ohms is a goal when deploying common mode 
chokes. Hence why K9YC says multiple turns through a core is needed. Sometimes 
multiple cores in series.

But as I read you email, I think I’d focus on what’s different or amiss with 
the K2 since the other rigs aren’t exhibiting the problem.   I’m sure someone 
who knows the K2 will chime in…

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Sep 4, 2021, at 3:48 PM, jerry  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-09-04 14:31, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 9/4/2021 2:03 PM, jerry wrote:
>>> I made up a short length of RG8/U with 4 Palomar 31-mix giant ferrite beads
>> Palomar SELLS these cores, at high prices. Fair-Rite MAKES them.
> 
> 31-mix is supposed to be the hot ticket for HF common mode
> chokes.  One turn through one core is supposed to be 98 ohms at 5MHz.  So 
> four cores should give me about 400 ohms, which should give a worthwhile 
> attenuation in a 50 ohm system.  Thanks for the references.
> 
>  It's interesting that I am not having any such problems with any
> other equipment.  My TS590S works fine.  So did the K2/10 with my tiny linear.
> And a QRP-labs transceiver.  And a uBITX transceiver.  And a ICOM IC706MKII.
> None of this stuff is doing anything strange.
> 
> - Jerry KF6VB
> 
> 
> 
>> - a common mode choke.  No difference.
>> This is only a good choke at VHF. If your problem is HF, multiple
>> turns must be wound through the core. Study choke recommendations
>> here.
>> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
>> And here. http://k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread Fred Jensen 
Jerry:  Make sure your amp "lid" is securely bonded to the base K2.  I 
have an early K2 and had the same kind of symptoms as you did when I 
added the amp lid.  I finally traced it to significant paint over spray 
on the K2 side panels.  I ended up sanding them clean and the problem 
disappeared.


And, just in case you haven't already discovered it, those two little 
2-pin Molex connectors [PWR and RF IN] are readily interchangeable and 
the leads are long enough to do that.  They are however most assuredly 
*_NOT_* interchangeable electrically.  You can likely guess how I know 
this. 


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/4/2021 2:48 PM, jerry wrote:

On 2021-09-04 14:31, Jim Brown wrote:

On 9/4/2021 2:03 PM, jerry wrote:
I made up a short length of RG8/U with 4 Palomar 31-mix giant 
ferrite beads


Palomar SELLS these cores, at high prices. Fair-Rite MAKES them.


31-mix is supposed to be the hot ticket for HF common mode
chokes.  One turn through one core is supposed to be 98 ohms at 5MHz.  
So four cores should give me about 400 ohms, which should give a 
worthwhile attenuation in a 50 ohm system.  Thanks for the references.


  It's interesting that I am not having any such problems with any
other equipment.  My TS590S works fine.  So did the K2/10 with my tiny 
linear.
And a QRP-labs transceiver.  And a uBITX transceiver.  And a ICOM 
IC706MKII.

None of this stuff is doing anything strange.

 - Jerry KF6VB





 - a common mode choke.  No difference.

This is only a good choke at VHF. If your problem is HF, multiple
turns must be wound through the core. Study choke recommendations
here.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf

And here. http://k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread jerry 

On 2021-09-04 14:31, Jim Brown wrote:

On 9/4/2021 2:03 PM, jerry wrote:
I made up a short length of RG8/U with 4 Palomar 31-mix giant ferrite 
beads


Palomar SELLS these cores, at high prices. Fair-Rite MAKES them.


31-mix is supposed to be the hot ticket for HF common mode
chokes.  One turn through one core is supposed to be 98 ohms at 5MHz.  
So four cores should give me about 400 ohms, which should give a 
worthwhile attenuation in a 50 ohm system.  Thanks for the references.


  It's interesting that I am not having any such problems with any
other equipment.  My TS590S works fine.  So did the K2/10 with my tiny 
linear.
And a QRP-labs transceiver.  And a uBITX transceiver.  And a ICOM 
IC706MKII.

None of this stuff is doing anything strange.

 - Jerry KF6VB





 - a common mode choke.  No difference.

This is only a good choke at VHF. If your problem is HF, multiple
turns must be wound through the core. Study choke recommendations
here.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf

And here. http://k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread Jim Brown 

On 9/4/2021 2:03 PM, jerry wrote:
I made up a short length of RG8/U with 4 Palomar 31-mix giant ferrite 
beads


Palomar SELLS these cores, at high prices. Fair-Rite MAKES them.

 - a common mode choke.  No difference.

This is only a good choke at VHF. If your problem is HF, multiple turns 
must be wound through the core. Study choke recommendations here.


http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf

And here. http://k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Bad Ham Radio Day

2021-09-04 Thread jerry 

Hi Elecraft list & Bob,

Sigh.  Sometimes it don't pay to get up in the morning.

First, I was having a CW QSO on 40M with a station in the East Coast...
My K2/10 was driving the Tiny Linear - we were seeing 150W on the meter.
Suddenly, the screen of the linear flashed bright white, and the RF went 
away, leaving me with the barefoot K2.


  Seems that 150W was Just Too Much for the little fan-driven heat sink, 
and the PA transistor shorted out.  My fault, of course.  I have a few 
more of those transistors, but I'll have to hold the power down, 
instrument the heat sink temperature, and put in some sort of 
protection.


  In the meantime...

  I installed the recently acquired KPA100 in my K2.  Actually, that 
KPA100 came from ANOTHER K2, acquired on Ebay.  I swapped it into my 
first K2, because that one has the V2 mods, including the upgraded 
crystals.


  So here I am, ready to continue hamming.  My K2 ( now /100 ) is doing 
strange rf-in-the-shack'y things.  If I send a bit of CW, my sent CW 
starts breaking up, and strange pops and clicks (like relays ) come out 
of the radio.  Then when I stop sending, the radio is completely silent 
- no audio.  I can see band noise and signals on the S-meter(bargraph) 
but no audio WHATSOEVER.  Hitting a band button or the display button 
fixes it, and audio is back.


  Sometimes OTOH, when I stop transmitting, the audio comes back much 
LOUDER than it was before I transmitted.


  This all happens at any power level where the final is engaged.  If I 
turn the power down to 8W or so, all is good.  If otoh, I turn the power 
knob anywhere past that *click* where the PA comes on line, the bad 
things happen. Even at, say, 12W.


   I made up a short length of RG8/U with 4 Palomar 31-mix giant ferrite 
beads - a common mode choke.  No difference.


   With a dummy load, all is good.  No fuss no muss, it just transmits 
nice.


   The antenna is very low SWR.  It is a 6BTV vertical about 100 feet up 
the hill from the house.  There is an MFJ998RT remote autotuner up at 
the base of the antenna.  It is grounded with an Ufer ground - 80 feet 
of #6 copper wire

buried in the concrete pad, which is 70 feet long by 10 feet wide.

   If I turn the PA off, the K2 behaves well, even at the full 15W. Tune 
mode shows SWR 1.2 to 1.  My K2 btw has the KDSP2 audio filter.


- Jerry KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] A suggested VFO parking place

2021-09-04 Thread Fred Jensen 

Factors for 40 seem to be:

1.  There's often mixed digital in the 7032-7035 area, sometimes it pops 
up anytime a CW signal shows up [see 14230].


2.  QRP freqs can be non-productive for SOTA folks who often need to 
make a number of quick QSO's and get off the mountain.  They're also 
looking for S2S Q's which tend to be weakish. This probably accounts for 
"SOTA on 7060".


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/4/2021 10:51 AM, Tim N9PUZ wrote:

I believe 7.030 is the normal QRP CW frequency, at least in NA. There are a
lot of SOTA and POTA activators who seem to choose 7.060.

Tim N9PUZ

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:37 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:


The opinions on this are bimodal: some say ~7030, others ~7060. Hopefully
someone else will weigh in with something more definitive.

Wayne
N6KR




On Sep 3, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Dave  wrote:

Any frequency like that for 40?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 9/3/21 4:58 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Whenever I'm not using the K4 for something in particular, I leave it

parked at 14.060 MHz, with the AF gain just high enough to catch my
attention if a signal appears. I use a medium bandwidth (1 kHz) to allow
for signals a bit off-frequency.

For those who didn't know: this is the most common QRP CW watering

hole. Even if the rest of the band seems dead, you'll still hear
weak-to-moderate signals pop up near this frequency throughout the day.
They'll often be calling CQ SOTA or CQ POTA (Summits and Parks on-the-air).

If you hear these stations, please give them a call. The ops often put

in a huge amount of logistic effort to get to unique locations. Some do it
every week, and some have "bagged" hundreds of peaks. Some wear packs, some
use goats :)

Given that these are QRP frequencies, it's common courtesy to use low

power, typically 5 or 10 watts.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] A suggested VFO parking place

2021-09-04 Thread Tim N9PUZ 
I believe 7.030 is the normal QRP CW frequency, at least in NA. There are a
lot of SOTA and POTA activators who seem to choose 7.060.

Tim N9PUZ

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:37 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> The opinions on this are bimodal: some say ~7030, others ~7060. Hopefully
> someone else will weigh in with something more definitive.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Dave  wrote:
> >
> > Any frequency like that for 40?
> >
> > 73, and thanks,
> > Dave (NK7Z)
> > https://www.nk7z.net
> > ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> > ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> > ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> >
> > On 9/3/21 4:58 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> >> Whenever I'm not using the K4 for something in particular, I leave it
> parked at 14.060 MHz, with the AF gain just high enough to catch my
> attention if a signal appears. I use a medium bandwidth (1 kHz) to allow
> for signals a bit off-frequency.
> >> For those who didn't know: this is the most common QRP CW watering
> hole. Even if the rest of the band seems dead, you'll still hear
> weak-to-moderate signals pop up near this frequency throughout the day.
> They'll often be calling CQ SOTA or CQ POTA (Summits and Parks on-the-air).
> >> If you hear these stations, please give them a call. The ops often put
> in a huge amount of logistic effort to get to unique locations. Some do it
> every week, and some have "bagged" hundreds of peaks. Some wear packs, some
> use goats :)
> >> Given that these are QRP frequencies, it's common courtesy to use low
> power, typically 5 or 10 watts.)
> >> 73,
> >> Wayne
> >> N6KR
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] A suggested VFO parking place

2021-09-04 Thread Dan Presley 
The longstanding QRP frequency for 40 has been 7040-European 7030.

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> On Sep 4, 2021, at 01:59, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> 
> * On 2021 03 Sep 21:47 -0500, Dave wrote:
>> Any frequency like that for 40?
> 
> I used to park somewhere between 7033 and 7035 overnight and would
> always hear something going on it seemed.  Perhaps I need to revisit
> that practice.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] MH3 mic case

2021-09-04 Thread Ian Liston-Smith 
Thanks again for all the MH3 mic case info. I'll see what Elecraft have to say, 
especially as they've had a 'rash' of these problems as Don suggests.

If all else fails I can try gluing again, or just drilling through both halves 
and bolting them together. Or looking on ebay for an identical case - even if 
the electronics is inferior.

It's a pity all this in necessary though, since Elecraft have built their 
reputation on selling high-quality products.

73,

Ian, G4JQT

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Subject: [Elecraft] MH3 mic case

Does anyone know if Elecraft sell replacement cases for this expensive 
microphone? I've barely used mine (I'm a CW chap) and it's already fallen 
apart! The three plastic internal mounting pillars have snapped off. I guess 
it's been dropped, but only on to carpet and I'm minded to think a $70 mic 
should easily withstand that.

Last month I emailed Elecraft via their online parts order form, but not had an 
acknowledgement. Maybe they're all on summer leave?

Thanks and 73,

Ian, G4JQT
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[Elecraft] Portable operator challenge on NOW

2021-09-04 Thread Dave Fugleberg 
The Portable Operators Challenge is a good excuse to break out that KX2 or
KX3 and get outside, but fixed stations are welcome as well. Exchange is
your grid square.
Since the rules allow self spotting, my KX2 and I are portable in
Minnesota, calling CQ around 14.210 until 1959z or my battery dies. How
about some Elecraft to Elecraft action?
73 de W0ZF/P
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[Elecraft] Stand for Elecraft KX2

2021-09-04 Thread Joel Curneal 
I have been working on a 3D printed stand for my KX2.
I am wondering if some other KX2 users might be interested in a stand..
If anyone would like to see what it looks like,
Email me at n1...@jocusolutions.com and I will send you a couple of
pictures.

Joel  -  N1JEO
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Re: [Elecraft] MH3 mic case

2021-09-04 Thread Geert Jan de Groot 




Does anyone know if Elecraft sell replacement cases for this expensive 
microphone? I've barely used mine (I'm a CW chap) and it's already fallen 
apart! The three plastic internal mounting pillars have snapped off. I guess 
it's been dropped, but only on to carpet and I'm minded to think a $70 mic 
should easily withstand that.

Last month I emailed Elecraft via their online parts order form, but not had an 
acknowledgement. Maybe they're all on summer leave?


Making forms for plastic moulding is extremely expensive and Elecraft 
did not make one specially for the MH3.


Looking on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/281509579500 finds a 
microphone that uses the same case. The electronics inside is different 
(and, frankly, the MH3's innards are a lot nicer than these ebay 
microphones) but the casing is the same.

It has a different brand name on the case but that is only a sticker.

You can make these ebay microphones work by changing the wiring a bit, 
especially for the down/up buttonw. The radios these are sold for use 
resistors on the PTT line to signal up and down, on Elecraft they are 
direct connections.

And PTT and audio are on other pins so you need to change that too.

When I have the microphone plug open, I always add a 5K6 resistor 
between the 5V and the mic output in the plug. This power the electret 
microphone irrespective of "mic bias" settings in the menu. And it makes 
the same microphone also usable on the K2 (where the up and down buttons 
don't work, alas).


In defense of Elecraft, yes, their microphones are probably "also made 
in the east" but there is a difference in quality which will be quite 
visible when you compare them. Having said that, an electret microphone 
is an electret microphone and the reports on the air are not different.


And, if the round plug is change for, for instance th Neutrik NTP3RC 
(see https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/ntp3rc) then the same microphone 
will also work on the KX3. You will need to change the wiring to make 
the buttons work but that is not hard.


Geert Jan
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Re: [Elecraft] A suggested VFO parking place

2021-09-04 Thread Nate Bargmann 
* On 2021 03 Sep 21:47 -0500, Dave wrote:
> Any frequency like that for 40?

I used to park somewhere between 7033 and 7035 overnight and would
always hear something going on it seemed.  Perhaps I need to revisit
that practice.

73, Nate, N0NB

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Re: [Elecraft] A suggested VFO parking place

2021-09-04 Thread Dave 
Those with dual receive can also monitor the FISTS frequencies, usually 2
KHz below the QRP ones.

In Europe 3558 and 7028 are popular FISTS watering holes, be prepared for
long “ragchew” QSOs on there…

73 Dave G4AON
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