Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Byron Servies 
What stuff.

If you are going to operate with a key, you should have practiced enough 
beforehand to be able to send the entire exchange without an issue. One repeat 
at most.

That is all Jim is complaining about: be minimally competent.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> The alternative is that if one is new to CW (or to ham radio at all), 
> he/she should not operate in the Sweepstakes, and just let the 
> experienced ops have their fun. I'm sure you would not prefer that!
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
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> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
> 
> On 08/11/2022 23:49, Jim Brown wrote:
> > I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most 
> > frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never 
> > heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists. 
> > Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple 
> > of  minutes for a VA2 station to get a fill on the serial number from a 
> > QRPer who couldn't send it correctly, probably because he hadn't worked 
> > enough CW to have a decent fist. The problem was NOT signal strength. I 
> > had the same problem with half of the casual QRPers I worked.
> > 
> > Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging 
> > program, both to log and to send CW. This is not a slam on QRP operation 
> > -- I've worked a lot of contests QRP, and one of my best buddies, W6JTI, 
> > WINS or places in the top two or three in the many contests he enters 
> > QRP. Frank made 554 QSOs in SS last weekend, and made the sweep of all 
> > 84 sections (NOT easy with HIGH power).
> > 
> > Why does this matter? Because MANY contesters take it seriously, and 
> > most can finish a Sweepstakes QSO in 30-40 seconds. Most of us, me 
> > included, are happy to work and encourage new contesters, but it's very 
> > frustrating when someone can't send CW due to lack of practice, and 
> > calls to work us a second or even a third time because he's too lazy to 
> > check of dupes, taking well over a minute to finish a QSO.
> > 
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP 

Jim,

The alternative is that if one is new to CW (or to ham radio at all), 
he/she should not operate in the Sweepstakes, and just let the 
experienced ops have their fun. I'm sure you would not prefer that!


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco

On 08/11/2022 23:49, Jim Brown wrote:
I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most 
frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never 
heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists. 
Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple 
of  minutes for a VA2 station to get a fill on the serial number from a 
QRPer who couldn't send it correctly, probably because he hadn't worked 
enough CW to have a decent fist. The problem was NOT signal strength. I 
had the same problem with half of the casual QRPers I worked.


Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging 
program, both to log and to send CW. This is not a slam on QRP operation 
-- I've worked a lot of contests QRP, and one of my best buddies, W6JTI, 
WINS or places in the top two or three in the many contests he enters 
QRP. Frank made 554 QSOs in SS last weekend, and made the sweep of all 
84 sections (NOT easy with HIGH power).


Why does this matter? Because MANY contesters take it seriously, and 
most can finish a Sweepstakes QSO in 30-40 seconds. Most of us, me 
included, are happy to work and encourage new contesters, but it's very 
frustrating when someone can't send CW due to lack of practice, and 
calls to work us a second or even a third time because he's too lazy to 
check of dupes, taking well over a minute to finish a QSO.


73, Jim K9YC



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[Elecraft] K3 doesn't receive at power up

2022-11-08 Thread n0tt1 
Greetings from Missouri

Guys...I have a K3 which has been very reliable for years, but now it
has a problem.  At "power-up" from a cold start, it
doesn't receive.  I do get audio.  It acts like no antenna
is connected.

If I power-down, then power-up again everything appears
to be normal, at least for awhile.  The power supply is okay.

Once, recently, when the radio was warm, I had a no-receive problem
that occured when I switched bands.  My P3 would display a "large" 
signal that would not tune.

Has anyone experienced similar problems and what generally was done
to repair it? 

Thanks,
Charlie, N0TT




















 

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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Andrew Moore 
> Diving into SS CW when you are not prepared and then calling a good op
who is capable of over 1000 contacts elitist seems a bit childish

Hang on, that's not what happened. The inexperienced op who answered the
call of a high speed contest op didn't call anyone elitist. Those were two
different people.

In the interest of protecting and preserving the valuable spectrum we've
been allocated, it might be good for infighting to take a back seat, or at
least a less visible one (ie let's get along with each other in public
despite differences). There are plenty non-ham entities eager to profit
from our currently non profit bandwidth (ex: see 1988 FCC reallocation
order for 220-222 MHz), Cascading effects might include the snuffing out of
radio related, innovative small businesses, which ultimately isn't good for
our hobby, sport, interest, learning, advancement and service.

73 de NV1B
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 7:39 PM Richard Hill  wrote:

> The point of the SST and MST contests is to provide newer cw ops with a
> contest training environment where the exchange is simple and new ops can
> practice sending and receiving and other basic operations like dupe
> checking in a friendly and mostly unhurried environment.  Diving into SS CW
> when you are not prepared and then calling a good op who is capable of over
> 1000 contacts elitist seems a bit childish, like a driver with a new
> license calling Indy 500 drivers elitist.
>
> Rich
> NU6T
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:53 PM Edward Tanton  wrote:
>
>> I am also in the 'by hand' group. I greatly enjoy the "process": a paper
>> dupe sheet, picking the next QSO, and entering the log information. For
>> various reasons I MAY partially fill out a QSL card. No, you don't win
>> categories, but my head & heart love itSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>  Original message From: Wayne Burdick 
>> Date: 11/8/22  6:41 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Andrew Moore <
>> andrew.n...@gmail.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting Andrew Moore <
>> andrew.n...@gmail.com> wrote:> For many of us...the joy of contesting>
>> is keying by hand and taking notes on paper...I'm in this group. Casual
>> contest operation, usually QRP, mostly CW, and almost always logging by
>> hand.I greatly appreciate all of the very serious ops out there who
>> approach this with a high level of skill and give everyone -- regardless of
>> ability -- that next QSO.WayneN6KR(Disclaimer: I'm not in the "still
>> learning CW" camp
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Richard Hill 
The point of the SST and MST contests is to provide newer cw ops with a
contest training environment where the exchange is simple and new ops can
practice sending and receiving and other basic operations like dupe
checking in a friendly and mostly unhurried environment.  Diving into SS CW
when you are not prepared and then calling a good op who is capable of over
1000 contacts elitist seems a bit childish, like a driver with a new
license calling Indy 500 drivers elitist.

Rich
NU6T

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:53 PM Edward Tanton  wrote:

> I am also in the 'by hand' group. I greatly enjoy the "process": a paper
> dupe sheet, picking the next QSO, and entering the log information. For
> various reasons I MAY partially fill out a QSL card. No, you don't win
> categories, but my head & heart love itSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>  Original message From: Wayne Burdick 
> Date: 11/8/22  6:41 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Andrew Moore <
> andrew.n...@gmail.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting Andrew Moore <
> andrew.n...@gmail.com> wrote:> For many of us...the joy of contesting> is
> keying by hand and taking notes on paper...I'm in this group. Casual
> contest operation, usually QRP, mostly CW, and almost always logging by
> hand.I greatly appreciate all of the very serious ops out there who
> approach this with a high level of skill and give everyone -- regardless of
> ability -- that next QSO.WayneN6KR(Disclaimer: I'm not in the "still
> learning CW" camp
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Nate Bargmann 
* On 2022 08 Nov 16:33 -0600, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> looks like someone is having a bad day

No.  Jim's comments are very apropos.  I am a causal contest op and I
always use a logging program with keying simply because it is the most
efficient means for me to do so and I have a very lousy fist that equals
my lousy handwriting (odd nerve impulses goof things up).  It is
imperative that the other station copy my callsign correctly so we both
get credit for the QSO.

I did not do SS but I get the same sort of dupe action operating in our
state QSO party, sometimes not more than a few minutes apart.  I can
only presume that either the op isn't actually logging or miscopied the
1x1 callsign I was using--there are only three of us operating with an
'N' suffix, K0N, N0N, W0N, which I guess is possible to miscopy.

Also, QRP is not an excuse to eschew computer logging and clean sending.
Some seem to take it to the extreme and think that Morse must be
generated by rubbing wires together.

73, Nate, N0NB

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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Andrew Moore 
(to be clear: I have great respect and admiration for the hard-core CW
contest ops and their high speed skills)

NV1B
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 6:27 PM Andrew Moore  wrote:

> Hi Jim -
>
> Among the best ways to get better at something is to practice, and often a
> better way is to practice while jumping into a live scenario (as opposed to
> simulated or offline) before you're reasonably proficient. I wouldn't
> recommend that approach for learning how to fly an airplane or drive a car,
> but for learning a spoken language or improving CW sending, sure.
> Non-contesting operation doesn't cease when big contests are running.
>
> > Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging
> program, both to log and to send CW
>
> There's not a lot you can do to change their behavior, so why not focus on
> what you can control: Both could easily be solved by, when hearing a faint,
> sloppy QRP station answering your call, simply ignoring them. A bad fist
> should be easy to identify in a few seconds. Answer someone else, or call
> CQ again. Their feelings might be hurt briefly, but they'll understand and
> you won't waste time.
>
> For many of us, maybe not the hard core contesters, the joy of contesting
> is keying by hand and taking notes on paper, and don't have a lot of
> interest in tying a computer to the radio and sending by keyboard
> (excepting QRQ operation where using a keyboard is the only choice).
>
> All that said, I understand your frustration.
>
> 73/72,
> -Andrew NV1B
> ..
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 4:52 PM Jim Brown 
> wrote:
>
>> I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most
>> frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never
>> heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists.
>> Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple
>> of  minutes for a VA2 station to get a fill on the serial number from a
>> QRPer who couldn't send it correctly, probably because he hadn't worked
>> enough CW to have a decent fist. The problem was NOT signal strength. I
>> had the same problem with half of the casual QRPers I worked.
>>
>> Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging
>> program, both to log and to send CW. This is not a slam on QRP operation
>> -- I've worked a lot of contests QRP, and one of my best buddies, W6JTI,
>> WINS or places in the top two or three in the many contests he enters
>> QRP. Frank made 554 QSOs in SS last weekend, and made the sweep of all
>> 84 sections (NOT easy with HIGH power).
>>
>> Why does this matter? Because MANY contesters take it seriously, and
>> most can finish a Sweepstakes QSO in 30-40 seconds. Most of us, me
>> included, are happy to work and encourage new contesters, but it's very
>> frustrating when someone can't send CW due to lack of practice, and
>> calls to work us a second or even a third time because he's too lazy to
>> check of dupes, taking well over a minute to finish a QSO.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Edward Tanton 
I am also in the 'by hand' group. I greatly enjoy the "process": a paper dupe 
sheet, picking the next QSO, and entering the log information. For various 
reasons I MAY partially fill out a QSL card. No, you don't win categories, but 
my head & heart love itSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Wayne Burdick  Date: 
11/8/22  6:41 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Andrew Moore  Cc: 
Elecraft Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and 
Contesting Andrew Moore  wrote:> For many of us...the 
joy of contesting> is keying by hand and taking notes on paper...I'm in this 
group. Casual contest operation, usually QRP, mostly CW, and almost always 
logging by hand.I greatly appreciate all of the very serious ops out there who 
approach this with a high level of skill and give everyone -- regardless of 
ability -- that next QSO.WayneN6KR(Disclaimer: I'm not in the "still learning 
CW" camp 
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Wayne Burdick 
Andrew Moore  wrote:

> For many of us...the joy of contesting
> is keying by hand and taking notes on paper...

I'm in this group. Casual contest operation, usually QRP, mostly CW, and almost 
always logging by hand.

I greatly appreciate all of the very serious ops out there who approach this 
with a high level of skill and give everyone -- regardless of ability -- that 
next QSO.

Wayne
N6KR

(Disclaimer: I'm not in the "still learning CW" camp :)


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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Andrew Moore 
Hi Jim -

Among the best ways to get better at something is to practice, and often a
better way is to practice while jumping into a live scenario (as opposed to
simulated or offline) before you're reasonably proficient. I wouldn't
recommend that approach for learning how to fly an airplane or drive a car,
but for learning a spoken language or improving CW sending, sure.
Non-contesting operation doesn't cease when big contests are running.

> Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging
program, both to log and to send CW

There's not a lot you can do to change their behavior, so why not focus on
what you can control: Both could easily be solved by, when hearing a faint,
sloppy QRP station answering your call, simply ignoring them. A bad fist
should be easy to identify in a few seconds. Answer someone else, or call
CQ again. Their feelings might be hurt briefly, but they'll understand and
you won't waste time.

For many of us, maybe not the hard core contesters, the joy of contesting
is keying by hand and taking notes on paper, and don't have a lot of
interest in tying a computer to the radio and sending by keyboard
(excepting QRQ operation where using a keyboard is the only choice).

All that said, I understand your frustration.

73/72,
-Andrew NV1B
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 4:52 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most
> frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never
> heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists.
> Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple
> of  minutes for a VA2 station to get a fill on the serial number from a
> QRPer who couldn't send it correctly, probably because he hadn't worked
> enough CW to have a decent fist. The problem was NOT signal strength. I
> had the same problem with half of the casual QRPers I worked.
>
> Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging
> program, both to log and to send CW. This is not a slam on QRP operation
> -- I've worked a lot of contests QRP, and one of my best buddies, W6JTI,
> WINS or places in the top two or three in the many contests he enters
> QRP. Frank made 554 QSOs in SS last weekend, and made the sweep of all
> 84 sections (NOT easy with HIGH power).
>
> Why does this matter? Because MANY contesters take it seriously, and
> most can finish a Sweepstakes QSO in 30-40 seconds. Most of us, me
> included, are happy to work and encourage new contesters, but it's very
> frustrating when someone can't send CW due to lack of practice, and
> calls to work us a second or even a third time because he's too lazy to
> check of dupes, taking well over a minute to finish a QSO.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
looks like someone is having a bad day

we should create a contest only for smart people hi hi hi

even those who seem to be intelligent are wrong, who will have to do this
with Elecraft to publish it on this list?

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W


El mar, 8 nov 2022 a las 19:16, Jim Brown ()
escribió:

> On 11/8/2022 1:55 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> > And that is why a lot of hams are afraid of getting one the air with cw.
> > Elitist ops.
>
> An op who expects a caller to be able to send a two or three digit
> number in less than a minute is NOT elitist! An op who expects someone
> entering a contest to check for dupes when the contest rules clearly say
> you can work a station only once is NOT elitist. And I worked EVERY ONE
> of those dupes each time they called, without comment on the air.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jim Brown 

On 11/8/2022 1:55 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
And that is why a lot of hams are afraid of getting one the air with cw. 
Elitist ops.


An op who expects a caller to be able to send a two or three digit 
number in less than a minute is NOT elitist! An op who expects someone 
entering a contest to check for dupes when the contest rules clearly say 
you can work a station only once is NOT elitist. And I worked EVERY ONE 
of those dupes each time they called, without comment on the air.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jerry Moore 
And that is why a lot of hams are afraid of getting one the air with cw. 
Elitist ops.

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behalf of Jim Brown 
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2022 4:49:45 PM
To: Reflector Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most
frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never
heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists.
Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple
of  minutes for a VA2 station to get a fill on the serial number from a
QRPer who couldn't send it correctly, probably because he hadn't worked
enough CW to have a decent fist. The problem was NOT signal strength. I
had the same problem with half of the casual QRPers I worked.

Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging
program, both to log and to send CW. This is not a slam on QRP operation
-- I've worked a lot of contests QRP, and one of my best buddies, W6JTI,
WINS or places in the top two or three in the many contests he enters
QRP. Frank made 554 QSOs in SS last weekend, and made the sweep of all
84 sections (NOT easy with HIGH power).

Why does this matter? Because MANY contesters take it seriously, and
most can finish a Sweepstakes QSO in 30-40 seconds. Most of us, me
included, are happy to work and encourage new contesters, but it's very
frustrating when someone can't send CW due to lack of practice, and
calls to work us a second or even a third time because he's too lazy to
check of dupes, taking well over a minute to finish a QSO.

73, Jim K9YC



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[Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jim Brown 
I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most 
frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never 
heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists. 
Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple 
of  minutes for a VA2 station to get a fill on the serial number from a 
QRPer who couldn't send it correctly, probably because he hadn't worked 
enough CW to have a decent fist. The problem was NOT signal strength. I 
had the same problem with half of the casual QRPers I worked.


Both of these problems are easily solved by using a contest logging 
program, both to log and to send CW. This is not a slam on QRP operation 
-- I've worked a lot of contests QRP, and one of my best buddies, W6JTI, 
WINS or places in the top two or three in the many contests he enters 
QRP. Frank made 554 QSOs in SS last weekend, and made the sweep of all 
84 sections (NOT easy with HIGH power).


Why does this matter? Because MANY contesters take it seriously, and 
most can finish a Sweepstakes QSO in 30-40 seconds. Most of us, me 
included, are happy to work and encourage new contesters, but it's very 
frustrating when someone can't send CW due to lack of practice, and 
calls to work us a second or even a third time because he's too lazy to 
check of dupes, taking well over a minute to finish a QSO.


73, Jim K9YC



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