Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

But apparently, according to other posts on this list, DXing and CW is 
Amateur Radio, and if you don't have fun doing that, you aren't really a 
ham.


Oh well.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 6:32 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

I was trying to remember JS8CALL -- thanks for the reminder.

The best thing about this hobby is that there are so many options and so 
many different things you can do.


David, in my off-list message, I was thinking of JS8CALL.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

Enter JS8Call.

All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
RTTY and SSB rolled into one.


If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan 
Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.


http://js8call.com/

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"


Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
increase the number of characters for the same time frame.

It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
could spread out like we do for every other mode.

I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.

The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.

73,
Dave   AB7E

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Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I was trying to remember JS8CALL -- thanks for the reminder.

The best thing about this hobby is that there are so many options and so 
many different things you can do.


David, in my off-list message, I was thinking of JS8CALL.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

Enter JS8Call.

All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, RTTY and 
SSB rolled into one.

If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan Sherer 
(KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to have been a part 
of the beta team almost since day one.

http://js8call.com/

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"


Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
increase the number of characters for the same time frame.

It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
could spread out like we do for every other mode.

I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.

The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.

73,
Dave   AB7E

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Re: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

With all due respect, Rick, that argument works both ways.

I see why people would want to go on a DXpedition.  It's quite an adventure.

I can understand certificate hunting, DXCC and all of that.

I get the people who are totally into linking VHF/UHF via the Internet.

There is a vast amount of fun building radios, and there are similar 
"homebrew" opportunities.  I know, I've done a lot of homebrew software.


Then there is slow-scan TV, and in some metropolitan areas, fast-scan TV.

I spent many an evening Transmitter Hunting, but to many driving around 
on a rainy night with a 4 element 2m quad sticking out the window is 
excessive.


I got my Extra so I could become a Volunteer Examiner.

I know I've left out a lot, but it's all important to the hobby.  Every 
single niche and variation.


I'm simply not attracted to FT-8.

I understand that someone has taken the ideas behind the low bandwidth 
encoding and etc. and turned it into something you can chat through, and 
that sounds like fun to me.


As usually, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 5:32 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:

You’ve just defined the vast majority of DX (and DXpedition in particular) 
contacts.

That doesn’t make less a part of ham radio.

Rick NK7I

Email spiel Czech corruptions happen


On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
 wrote:

... but if all you're doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that 
defines a QSO, what's the point?

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Re: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're 
doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO, 
what's the point?


I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"

Meh.

I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and if 
we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.


73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at or below 
the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even if solar conditions 
are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side effect of this design.

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Re: [Elecraft] Requesting help with computer issue -

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I fought for a very long time, and finally gave up on Windows and 
shifted to Linux Mint Cinnamon.


One of my mentors calls Linux the OS of last resort, and I agree, 
Microsoft finally pushed me that far.


The Cinnamon desktop is more windows-like than Windows 10.

73 -- Lynn

On 6/27/20 8:29 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

On 6/27/2020 7:27 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:


Why it should need that after having worked flawlessly for a couple
of years is beyond me – unless Windows’ latest update messed it up.
I choose to blame that.


I have to do that every so often with my laptop that I use only for ham
radio stuff - W10 has a will of its own, it seems.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] Just FYI: "hacking/ransom"

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I just received a fairly threatening E-Mail claiming that my account was 
hacked.


The message did not come through my account, it was spoofed.

Don't fall for these.  Don't pay.  Calling these guys "hackers" is an 
insult to actual hackers.


73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Support

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I have received excellent KX3 support during the pandemic.

It was slower than normal, but then again "normal" is much slower than 
normal.


73 -- Lynn

On 6/17/20 10:30 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:

Can anyone confirm whether or not Elecraft is currently providing support 
services for the KX3?  As of 5/11, they weren’t issuing RSAs for the KX3, but I 
wonder if they are currently providing email support or support through the 
“contact” web-form?  Trying to determine if support is temporarily on hold, or 
if the support inbox is overflowing, and need to remember that patience is a 
virtue …

Thanks .. Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s discontinued?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The page says:

Please Note: We have limited stock of K3S/100-F and K3S/10-K.  We no 
longer offer the K3S/100-K and the K3S/10-F.


I would guess they have limited stock because their assemblers are 
either at home, or working on the initial K4 production backlog.


You could try to order one...

73 -- Lynn

On 6/15/20 6:37 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:

Was there a reason why the K3s was discontinued?

Looking at the pricing for a K4 was a shock in itself, when I did the
numbers to convert to AUD I was floored. That is one great beast BUT too
far out of my price range sadly.

As one who normally does not buy unwanted used equipment, I was hoping to
add a K3s to my current setup (K3 #679) but that appears to be out of the
question dammit.

Gary

VK1ZZ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S dead after attempted firmware update - Fixed

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

This is why I transitioned from Windows to Linux Mint several months ago.

73 -- Lynn

On 6/7/20 1:44 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

That would be a terrible way to handle updates.  If a user has set specific 
parameters to meet their needs, Windows should simply leave them alone — unless 
they no longer exist in the updated version, or their effect/context has 
changed.  If macOS reset everything to defaults every time there was new 
version, Apple would find my several Macs in front of the nearest Apple Store,  
“kitted out” with a sledge hammer .. :-)

Grant NQ5T


On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:

Since Microsoft does not know of every piece of software, on every Windows 
computer in the world, for simplicity, very often a Windows update will set 
values to DEFAULT values.  Therefore, it is necessary for the user to set 
certain parameters to their preferred values after an update.I view that 
this is no fault of Windows, it is just the way they handle updates.Unless 
one is very familiar with the in-depth operation of Windows,  it is wise for 
anyone to make notes of values, locations and they way one access certain 
application settings.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/7/2020 2:48 PM, barry halterman wrote:

This is a classic case of CRE or Cosmic Ray Effect. No reason, just happens.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 1:51 PM Ian Kahn, NV4C  wrote:


Ray,

By any chance did your first computer receive any updates from Microsoft
recently? MS updates are well-known to completely bugger custom
settings, including COM port settings.

Just a thought.



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Re: [Elecraft] RE; How well does the K3 work with lower power supply voltage . . .

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Slightly related...

When cars were all 6 volts (I'm not quite old enough to remember when 
that was common) the wiring would get a little old, headlights would get 
dim, and you could fix that by installing an 8 volt battery and 
adjusting the voltage regulator so it'd charge.


I mention this, because I saw that Costco has 8 volt lead-acid batteries 
from Interstate Batteries.


An 8 volt and a 6 volt will give you 14 volts, and no boosters necessary.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/29/20 10:05 AM, Chip Stratton wrote:

The TGE battery booster I use with my rig on the boat has a BNC for RF
sense to turn on the boost only during transmit, which is the only time is
needed. Works well for me.

73
Chip AE5KA

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:32 PM Jim Brown  wrote:


On 5/28/2020 5:02 AM, Charlie T wrote:

Since the IMD degrades at low DC supply voltages in our typical 12V

powered

finals, if you must use a deep-cycle lead/acid battery,  I suggest using

one

of those battery booster things that MFJ and probably others sell to keep
the output up.


Have you tried one? The technology of these devices is usually noisy.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IS shipping all of our amp models

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Why do people always assume a dire future -- always the worst possible 
outcome?


We all do this, and it's a bad habit.

I'm trying hard not to, and I've been a lot happier.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/27/20 4:45 PM, W6IPA wrote:

Eric,

Maybe the best would be to update the Shipping Status ,and other statement of 
support for the rest of the line.
I posted earlier a question about the support status of K3/K3s and 
availablability of parts.
I have not found any definitive statement about that.

I for one love the Elecraft products, but I am finding myself looking at 
alternatives for an upcoming upgrade.

JC


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Re: [Elecraft] Quiet Ductless HVAC System

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The compressor as well.  They aren't necessarily running at 60 Hz (or 50 
Hz for those across the pond).


73 -- Lynn

On 5/27/20 10:17 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
Of late, the fans in these systems are speed controlled by PWM.  Nice 
high power square waves...


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 5/27/20 10:08 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
I didn’t know that an HVAC system would be an RFI generator.  What 
part of HVAC is the cause of this and is this a recent problem in 
manufacturing units?

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Re: [Elecraft] Reset Third-Hand KX3

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I wrote to supp...@elecraft.com asking for the configuration file for my 
2013 vintage KX3.


They sent me the specific file for my radio's serial number, with the 
factory calibration info.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/22/20 11:25 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

There is no way to reset just the preferences to factory default settings. It 
would be nice and people have asked for it, but it doesn’t exist. Saving and 
restoring preference sets would be a handy thing.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote protocol

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

HTTP runs over TCP, so either way, we're talking about TCP.

Here is what I'd do.

Dig into OpenVPN.  It's open source software, you can buy routers that 
handle it natively, or you can put an Raspberry Pi 3 on the end of your 
link.  There is client software for just about everything out there.


This is the correct use for a VPN (most of the advertised VPNs offer 
"security" that doesn't actually exist).


You open up the VPN whereever you are, and you have one connection that 
magically becomes a really long ethernet cable.


Your device anywhere in the world is on the LAN at your remote station.

Doesn't matter if you have 5 connections, or 5,000.  As far as AT can 
tell, it's just one.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/21/20 9:08 AM, K5WA wrote:

This may be a Wayne/Eric question but if anyone else knows for sure, please 
chime in.

  


I’m setting up a new remote system and want to plan properly for the pair of 
K4s I’ve got ordered.  Is the ethernet communication between a K4 and its 
Elecraft remote software TCP or HTTP? I’m assuming TCP but thought I’d better 
check.

  


I’m having to go through an ATT Mobile system (CGNAT) with NGROK tunnels and 
I’m up against a limit on reserved TCP tunnels so want to make sure I’m going 
the right direction before I spring for more reserved TCP tunnels.    The 
station is WAY out in the country and that is why I’m stuck with a mobile 
cellular ISP.

  


Thanks,

  


Bob K5WA

Houston, TX

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Re: [Elecraft] WSJT FT8 TX not decoded using K3S TX - Rx ok

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

A strong suggestion from a network engineer.

Major NTP servers like time.nist.gov are the most accurate clocks, but 
they aren't meant for everyone to use -- that's just too much traffic 
and latency hurts their accuracy if they're abused.


A huge number of highly dedicated time-geeks run over four thousand time 
servers around the world.  You can read about this at http://ntppool.org.


Using pool.ntp.org instead of time.nist.gov (or a few dozen other 
awkward choices) will point you to a nearby, highly accurate source of time.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/17/20 11:44 AM, Barry wrote:
     Here's something that might help. FT8 only decodes in a certain 
time slot. Make sure your computer is accessing an NTP server and get 
the correct time. Win10 can be set to automatically to access 
time.nist.gov. I spent a long time trying to get a ham buddy going the 
other day and couldn't figure it out. Another buddy picked up on the 
fact that time was not set correctly and he fixed it after which decodes 
started. I missed that one. So, just get the correct time and I infer 
that should fix your problem. You only need tro be seconds off to not work.


73,
Barry
K3NDM


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Re: [Elecraft] K4???

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I had no doubts at all.  :-)

On 5/16/20 11:52 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Not to worry, Lynn. We're not going public :)

Wayne
N6KR



On May 16, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
 wrote:

I love the general idea of a well-funded (dare I say "fan funded") Elecraft, 
but I hope they do not sell shares and go public.

Under U.S. Law, Wayne and Eric would have to make decisions based on the best interests 
of the shareholders -- that almost always means "making more money."

There is an entire industry based around suing company leadership that fails to 
do just that.

As long as they're privately held, the Dynamic Duo can make decisions based on 
engineering and trying to please their customers instead of planned 
obsolescence in the interest of making boatloads of money.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/16/20 10:27 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

Wayne and all,
   Thank you, thus we know why the specifications for the K4HD are not
available. Though one wonders about K4 and K4D specs. What might we
expect if ARRL or Sherwood Engineering were to run their tests.No harm
in asking though you may have reasons for staying mum.You may be sure
that my deposit stays with Elecraft.The success of the K4 and indeed
Elecraft is important to me.I dare say that if you were inclined and if
it were legal shares in Elecraft could be sold along with your radios.
Elecraft is a company many of us want to support because product, support
and attitude are just first class.
  73 Doug EI2CN





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Re: [Elecraft] K4???

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I love the general idea of a well-funded (dare I say "fan funded") 
Elecraft, but I hope they do not sell shares and go public.


Under U.S. Law, Wayne and Eric would have to make decisions based on the 
best interests of the shareholders -- that almost always means "making 
more money."


There is an entire industry based around suing company leadership that 
fails to do just that.


As long as they're privately held, the Dynamic Duo can make decisions 
based on engineering and trying to please their customers instead of 
planned obsolescence in the interest of making boatloads of money.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/16/20 10:27 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

Wayne and all,
   Thank you, thus we know why the specifications for the K4HD are not
available. Though one wonders about K4 and K4D specs. What might we
expect if ARRL or Sherwood Engineering were to run their tests.No harm
in asking though you may have reasons for staying mum.You may be sure
that my deposit stays with Elecraft.The success of the K4 and indeed
Elecraft is important to me.I dare say that if you were inclined and if
it were legal shares in Elecraft could be sold along with your radios.
Elecraft is a company many of us want to support because product, support
and attitude are just first class.

  73 Doug EI2CN

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Re: [Elecraft] K4???

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

More likely a combination of the 90-90 rule of product development, and 
more than a little bit of COVID-19.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/15/20 9:05 AM, Keith N6JPA wrote:

At this point it appears to be a vapor product.


On 5/15/2020 8:52 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
It has been exactly 52 weeks since I placed an order for the K4, with 
a full deposit.


I truly understand all of the current difficulties, but would 
appreciate a status report.


Tom W4KX

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Re: [Elecraft] McAfee Login

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

After several decades on Windows, I feel the same about Windows 10.

On 5/2/20 12:08 PM, Bert wrote:

I wouldn't touch McAfee with a ten foot pole!!!

Several years ago McAfee messed up my PC so bad, that in order to get
rid of McAfee I spent several hours editing the registry!! Never again!!

Bert VE3NR


On 5/2/2020 9:44 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:

I, personally, get tired of having to override the installation of mcafee
software when updating other software. Offer it if you like, but don't 
make

the *%#*& stuff the default. Of course I almost never use the default
option anywhere.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:29 AM darnelljason12 
wrote:


Windows upgrading is one of the important items the machine needs. By
offering the latest functionality it helps our system; repair the 
bugs as

well as security patches. While performing the update in Windows 10,
however, the user may notice things are not working properly. Numerous
people have encountered error code 0x8007007e when updating the device.
What
are the reasons for that, and how do we fix it? Here is all you might 
need

to know about it - mcafeecomactivates. org. If you have  McAfee Login
   issue, then 
call our

support team and get solution



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Re: [Elecraft] mailman.qth

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If you ask people on a reflector who have been using a reflector for 
years, and are accustomed to using a reflector, who know how to make 
best use of a reflector, they're going to want to stick with the reflector.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/1/20 11:05 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:

This has been discussed on some of the reflectors that I subscribe to.  On
all of them the move was basically voted down.  So I guess user preference
is to blame.

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 4:20 PM Neil Foster  wrote:


I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
easier to navigate using .io
Neil   N4FN
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Re: [Elecraft] mailman.qth

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Because reflectors work.  They're a universal push technology.

When I do want to "navigate" this list, everything is right here on my 
machine where I can search it quickly.


If you're trying to use a list archive, then yeah, it can be clunky, but 
that's not a reflector.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/1/20 2:19 PM, Neil Foster wrote:

I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
easier to navigate using .io
Neil   N4FN
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows Needed

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

He did say that he wants to sit under a (presumably random) tree and 
operate CW.


If he wants a computer to load firmware and keep his KX2 (or KX3) up to 
date, then his Mac should do nicely.


Otherwise, an inexpensive laptop for the field should do nicely. 
Preferably with good battery life.


Tommy may be smart enough to pick a mode where all he needs is the 
radio.  I want to go sit under a tree and run PSK-31 with a proper 
screen and keyboard.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/1/20 12:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
With refurbished desktop computers available in the $200 to $300 price 
range, many loaded with Windows 10 Pro, it is not a big deal to have a 
dedicated Windows PC as the shack computer.  Oh yes, you need a monitor 
too, but those also are not expensive.


That allows you to run a Mac or Linux machine for your other computing 
tasks.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 5/1/2020 3:16 PM, Barry wrote:

Tommy,
 You question seems straight forward, but it is a little 
complicated. If all you need is just a logging program, almost 
anything will do. However, if you want to go beyond that, the majority 
of good software is Windows based, like CW Skimmer. Windows emulations 
today are pretty good, but occasionally do cause problems. I guess I 
would stay with a PC for overall simplicity.


 I have a KX3 which I operate with Win4K3, CW Skimmer, HRD, 
FLDIGI, N1MM+, and a few other packages. At some point you may decide 
to try out some some other modes or configurations. Therefore, another 
reason to go PC..



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[Elecraft] Which Rig? (was Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 192, Issue 43)

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Welcome, Tommy,

Since you use the list in "digest mode" please delete all but the most 
relevant parts of the message, or we get it all again (and it will all 
be repeated in the next digest!)


I'm sure you'll get lots of help, but Amateur Radio is such a diverse 
hobby that you'll get wildly different answers depending on what you like.


For example, the K4 is going to be amazing, but it's the wrong radio if 
you like to go hiking and operate from a major hilltop somewhere.


Ask me about the best CW rig, and I'll just shrug.  Start talking about 
digital modes and I'll have useful comments.


73 -- Lynn, WB6UUT

On 4/30/20 6:22 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:

Ok, joined this group even though I don’t own an Elecraft radio - yet.  I’m 
wanting an Elecraft Elmer to help me understand which rig could be “the one”.  
What say someone please? Tommy

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

It depends on the version and how it is configured.

On 4/29/20 8:20 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

Apparently Microsoft Outlook has none of the issues being described.

  


73

Lyn, W0LEN

  

  


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:46 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

  


=CUT
=

On 4/29/20 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:

Respectfully I offer the following.

  


So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid

and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered

"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

=CUT
=

  


...and that is why I run Linux as my main OS!

  


73, and thanks,

Dave (NK7Z)

https://www.nk7z.net

ARRL Volunteer Examiner

ARRL Technical Specialist

ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

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Re: [Elecraft] Mail for Windows 10

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Ah, sadly, no.  As much as I like to blame Microsoft, we have to start 
with RFC-1341 and Multipurpose Independent Mail Extensions.


Microsoft did not contribute to that RFC.

MIME allows more than one formatting option.  We had something called 
"Rich Text" but Netscape brought us HTML as a formatting option, and 
that made it possible to embed code that would load malware on your 
computer.


That's when List Servers got the ability to strip formatting -- it put a 
stop to people blaming the list for the poor security in their OS.


HTML is a poor choice, but it's also supported in just about every 
E-Mail client.


This is where we can blame Microsoft (some), but it's hard to render 
HTML and detect all the possible issues.


73 -- Lynn, WB6UUT

P.S. Thunderbird is much better, but this issue remains.

On 4/29/20 7:04 AM, kk4kfg wrote:

Respectfully I offer the following.

So yet again Microsoft and Windows 10 does something absolutely stupid
and against every known specification for a mail client and the offered
"solution" is for others to fix it or mask a solution.

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Re: [Elecraft] Where is Elecraft Support ?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I called Elecraft Support yesterday morning.  They returned the call 
yesterday afternoon.


73 -- Lynn

On 3/7/20 11:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
I check my e-mail several times a day.  And I check my SPAM filter once 
every day.  In the world we live in, nothing is perfect.


73

Bob, K4TAX

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Re: [Elecraft] Excel Test

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I must respectfully disagree.

Often, PDF is read-only.  Sometimes you can break that, sometimes you can't.

You need a PDF reader.  I suspect we all have them, but you can't open 
it in most word processors.


Rich Text Format (.rtf) is pretty much universal, can be opened (and 
edited) by every word processor I'm aware of, and because it does not 
have a macro facility, it doesn't carry malware.


73 -- Lynn

On 2/26/20 9:13 AM, James Walker wrote:

I know all about the alternatives to Microsoft word. I actually have Microsoft 
word. The point is that PDF is the most accessible format that we all have in 
common.

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

All public companies operate to benefit the investors/shareholders.

That means balancing dividends and profits against things that may 
impact their bottom line like destroying customer assets and legal threats.


SCE is no different, but they went more toward safety as a way to 
maximize shareholder value.  Safe, happy customers with homes and assets 
pay their bills better than dead or burned-out ones.


73 -- Lynn

On 11/3/2019 5:12 PM, Wes wrote:
I'm shocked to hear that PG would actually think to pay dividends to 
investors who put their money at risk.  The government of CA should put 
a stop to this capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD 
or the bullet train people.


Wes  N7WS

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Yes, Jim, I do realize that a lot of the problem is PG making poor 
choices to benefit investors and not provide safe power.  They do the 
same with natural gas.


SCE is better, but they're hardening their grid, fixing the problems you 
mentioned, and we've had lots of maintenance outages to replace poles.


You mention generators, and that makes my point:

The problem is manageable.  A small generator can solve a lot of 
problems at a fairly low cost.


I don't need much power for lighting, and have a number of battery 
powered camping lamps that work great.  Candles too.


My internet connection and servers are mission critical to me, but 
that's 80 watts total.


If it's below freezing, I want to be able to run the furnace at least 
part time.


My refrigerator and freezer are important, but not critical.

I can get by with about 2kw.  I think the Ryobi 2300 I have was $600.

I can go a couple of hours without power easily before I need to start 
thinking about the generator.


Siphoning gas from the cars works -- and has been tested, new cars are 
harder to tap for gas.


73 -- Lynn

On 11/3/2019 12:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE 
affected by the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators 
have gotten a lot of running time in the past week or so.

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I've lived in California for a few decades.

I've evacuated three times due to wildfires, all of them coming closer 
than I'd like.


I have never lost a single thing due to fire -- just some sleepless nights.

The power situation (especially in PG territory) is a different story, 
but one that's manageable.


73 -- Lynn

On 11/2/2019 6:35 PM, Doug Renwick wrote:

The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and
have to move elsewhere".
Doug

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Re: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

We're mixing what the power companies tried to do sending IP over the 
existing power lines to homes, and what the OP is talking about where 
you plug a box into an outlet in one room, plug a box into an outlet in 
another room and it all happens inside the house.


What he wants is room-to-room in his home, not 50 miles down the power 
poles.


Buy the adapters from a reputable source with a good return policy.

They do work, but they very well could raise the RF noise floor.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/20/2019 5:36 PM, Ian Kahn wrote:

Tim,

Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have
improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember
all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first
came up.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed  wrote:


Ian
that’s exactly what I feared/expected … Thanks for the confirmation

Tim

On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn  wrote:

I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several
years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power
line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and
won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio
useless.

Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg  wrote:

Fellow Elecrafters,
I am trying to extend the
wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick
concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd
earthquake - but not so much for wifi.

I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls
and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen
looking at wifi range extending.

I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I
have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever
solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to
all Hams written all over it.

So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
If so - any issues ...
Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)

If you would like to read more on this technology the following link
should get you started ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug

With this example from TP as to how they can be used

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/

Many thanks

Tim

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Re: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Most operating systems have NTP clients built in.

Sure, there are a million clients out there (I use Tardis), and there 
are probably more that work under BSD-like UNIX (MacOS).


The one built in to the OS is probably just fine.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/19/2019 8:50 PM, Randy Heise wrote:

As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these 
software solutions appear to be for PC’s. Is there something equivalent for 
Macs?

Randy, NB7E

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:


My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's unusable 
for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I couldn't care less if 
it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for contesting), but for FT8 it should 
be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better for best results.  Meinberg (which is 
free) puts me within one or two tenths of a second of everyone else.

Dave   AB7E



On 10/19/2019 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant.  For timed or 
sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate.  I see on reason to maintain 
microsecond timing.

Remember, it's only a hobby.

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox  wrote:


Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.

Good luck

Scott
AD6YT

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert 
wrote:


I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.

The reference version means the version used to verify the
implementability of the specification in the RFC document.


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Isn't .io a top-level domain??

On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:

I detest .io

Wes

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On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:

This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily 
seem interesting at first look :-)

Grant/NQ5T


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil  wrote:

 Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a third 
world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user friendly. I hope 
that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It forces the user to scroll 
thru many messages that a user may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of 
interest. Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just 
one "geezers" take on the issue.
73
Neil   N4FN


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Re: [Elecraft] A First Class Company

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the 
Internet.  The other term is "list server."


The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to the 
individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.


Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few decades, 
I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my machine than it 
is do deal with a mail client running on a machine hundreds of 
milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor to send back 
an updated display.


... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the 90's, 
and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.


But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.Unfortunately with a 
third world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user 
friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this 
opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may 
not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using 
the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just 
one "geezers" take on the issue.

73
Neil   N4FN


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Re: [Elecraft] Running RTTY

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Low space means fine teletype.

On 9/30/2019 6:09 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote:

I am not sure whether this is a K3 question or N1MM+ question...

Working the CQWW RTTY this weekend, I found that my settings were different
on 15m than on 20/40m - in that I had to reverse the tones on 15m and
they were offset off the center frequency of the P3 where they had been on
20/40m.

What do I need to correct?
Thanks to all!


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Re: [Elecraft] New Revision of KPA500 LPF TR Switching Rework Rev. E

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Is this an official Elecraft modification?

On 9/27/2019 2:58 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:

Roy,

The modification can be done as prevent action in order to avoid the loosing
the full power (12m) accompanied by burning smell or it can be the solution
for
your already ruined amplifier.

The typical KPA500 misbehavior sounds like it is arcing inside and smells
the
classic something is burning smell. The SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it
arcs. If you have connected the KAT500 tuner then it has the SWR around
1.3:1... and power is lost.



-
73 - Petr, OK1RP
"Apple & Elecraft freak"
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Low activity

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The one that will almost fit on your available space.

On 9/13/2019 12:25 PM, rv6amark via Elecraft wrote:

Re:  "September has been fairly quiet.  Only around 160 posts..."      I can 
fix that:   What is the BEST antenna to use with my K???   Sorry, just couldn't resist;-) 
   Mark,   KE6BB

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 for sale

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Not much of a secondary market for wives.

Nice small portable rig calls for portable ops.

Just sayin'

73 -- Lynn

On 8/23/2019 6:42 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Sell the wife! Mine was reluctant at first, but I told her, what didn't you 
get... I had radio equipment oon my apartment kitchen table when we were 
dating, I had been in the hobby since early teens and if  you think I am giving 
up this hobby, not going to happen!  She has slowly relented over the last 46 
years.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of EricJ
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:55 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 for sale

Tough choice...

Eric KE6US

On 8/23/2019 1:33 PM, Brian Estes wrote:

I am selling my K2 ser #7875 which has the SSB and KAF2 filter installed.
It has been fully tested by Elecraft and the test report will be included.
Reason for selling is wife will not allow any antennas. Price is
750.00 including shipping to any US address.
Brian
KM4BPE
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Re: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I don't know if Mailman (the list server used by QTH.NET) can be set up 
to allow HTML, but that would open the door to most everything asked 
behind this request.


The problem is, that the moment one allows HTML formatting, it brings in 
a whole bunch of other tools, including scripting, that can do some 
pretty bad stuff.


That's why, decades ago, the folks behind Mailman decided to strip HTML.

I think most of us have our mail programs reasonably well locked down, 
but I would still lean away from allowing HTML.


I haven't tried to attach a UUENCODED image, that might slip through, or 
it might not.  I don't know if any mail clients can send those anymore. 
I do know that Thunderbird receives them just fine.


73 -- Lynn

On 7/30/2019 7:17 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

Hi Dick

I considered links, arguably more dangerous, and as a pro photographer, I
can make that happen.

However, that turns a simple 10 second screen grab with GreenShot into a
bit  more of an exercise including using imgur, and yet another account,
login exercise.

Even with Yahoo Groups and IOGroups, screen shots are  invaluable when
working through an issue and makes problem solving better rather than
someone saying 'it doesn't work' and then a large quantity of emails with a
thousand new questions that no one reads anyway.

We could go back to Fax machines or RTTY stick figures too!  :)

Mike va3mw


On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:18 PM Dick Dickinson 
wrote:


Hi Mike,

I believe 'links' are allowed on this reflector.

Consider having images hosted on am image hosting site and provide a link
to
them, if that is not forbidden.

A reader can choose to look or not.

I have used imgur.com  I'm not aware of any problems related to doing
such,
but I won't be surprised if I am soon informed.

8 )

Kind regards,
Dick - KA5KKT

--
Hi All

This message is to the administrators of this reflector.

Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?

They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
is being discussed.

In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
will not now allow a program to run from an image.

Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.

Many thanks in advance for this consideration.

Mike va3mw

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[Elecraft] Blank E-Mails (was Re: K4 SDR version)

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Because it's possible to do all kinds of evil things through HTML, this 
list, and many others simply remove everything that is HTML encoded.


Unfortunately, HTML is the default in most mail clients.

On 7/23/2019 8:53 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

[SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC WARNING]

This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.

Is this a thing?I have no idea what the original poster is going on
about.  There's absolutely nothing you can infer from this subject line.

I know, I could just hit "delete" or spin the dial and I'll end up doing
that.  But come on folks.  Spend some time crafting an email that is
readable and understandable and you'll get better answers.  And people will
definitely get a better impression of your ability to form a sentence in
the King's English.

Rant over.


On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:39 AM RALPH TURK  wrote:



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Re: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If you had an HTML dummy load, it'd be invisible.

Set your mail client to send E-Mail in plain text, please.

On 7/22/2019 2:58 PM, Art Nienhouse wrote:


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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Maybe it's just me, but seems the issue is the end of through-hole 
components?


In other words, it might be possible to revive the K1, but it'd be all 
surface mount.


73 -- Lynn

On 6/6/2019 10:28 AM, Dan Baker wrote:

A K1 would provide us with a through hole kit.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Linux Infrastructure

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Seriously folks, think about the folks in Elecraft support and Service.

Imagine spending an hour working through a problem just to find out that 
someone is running modified firmware (and this is firmware, not software 
for us to play with).


It's an embedded system.  If you break it, you own both parts, and 
Elecraft would need a 100% reliable way to verify that you didn't 
introduce bugs.


Let this idea go, folks.

-- Lynn

On 6/3/2019 3:31 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
Based on the lack of ability to chance the CW rise times, I suspect 
Elecraft will not give access to the processor, and OS.  I would not.


Why?  If too many users change things, and break things, the radio will 
get a bad rep...  If Elecraft is smart, they will lock the users out of 
that level of access.


73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resource

On 6/3/19 2:04 PM, Jeff Scaparra wrote:

I believe these are all good points that elecraft should consider. As for
myself I am a tinker-er and as such i can imagine many things i would 
like

to do with the on board system. Personally I would like the option of
"unlocking" access do that I could use the underlying linux system and
would be willing to be responsible for the security of the system if I 
did

so. I know there will be many who just want a good radio to operate and
that is why I am suggesting that maybe this is a opt into thing with the
caveat that if you unlock this your responsible to keep the radio secure.

Jeff
N5SDR

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 3:35 PM Dave New, N8SBE  wrote:


Paul,

I believe you mistook the 'direction' of DDOS attack I was talking
about.

The K4 would not be the target of a DDOS attack, but rather an unwitting
participant in launching a DDOS attack as part of robot army of IoT
devices.

Thousands of hacked IoT devices are for rent on the dark web, for any
script kiddie that wants to attack a particular target.

Also, it may be popular to use hacked web sites, or various documents
with trojan horse loads to deliver ransom ware or bitcoin miners, but
there are other known vectors, including various open ports found while
scanning.  It may be the a router would be able to block access, but the
very peer-to-peer nature of the K4 (controlling other K4's or being
controlled by another K4 or PC, tablet, etc, means that routers would
need to allow certain inbound connections through the router or
firewall.  These allow for interesting attack vectors, which will
certainly be exercised, if possible.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Linux Infrastructure
From: Paul Gacek 
Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 4:00 pm
To: "Dave New, N8SBE" 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector , Rick WA6NHC


Dave

DDOS is quite hard for any end point (PC, iPhone, K4 etc) to deal with
effectively. If a million zombie Macs decide to simultaneously attack
your end point your best chance is as Rick states, a device that makes
up the perimeter defenses such as a firewall or cyber security
alternative (i.e router, IDP). Most homes don’t have anything
particularly sophisticated deployed and are therefore somewhat
vulnerable. In truth DDOS attacks are quite rare and typically not aimed
at Citizen Dave or his neighbors. Protection albeit optimistic is really
in the realm of a corporate network but even then we have a few cases
where iconic sites get hammered and go dark. Enabling the K4 to defend
against DDOS is a little like building a house to withstand random bits
of ISS dropping in unexpectedly; not something I’m expecting to be
paying for.

Unwanted ransomware or bitcoin mining programs are most likely the
result of an unwitting end user at and end point (PC, Android etc) doing
something that resulted in the malware ending up on their end point.
Could be surfing to a suspect web site (www.PawnStorm4U.com) or even
going to a compromised but reputable site such as NASA.gov.
Alternatively, it could be someone opening a compromised PDF or
Word/Excel attachment. The best protection here is to be cautious and
mindful of what you do in the cyber world and absolutely make sure you
are running the most uptodate OS (not XP) and to its most current patch
level.


Presumably but maybe not, the K4 won’t make available to the ham
operator a browser that allows them to surf wherever nor an email client
that they can read Excel attachments at the whim of the ham operator.
That is best done outside of the K4.


Hardening Linux, following best practices on coding and penetration
testing are all things to be aware of and implement as appropriately.


For those who might be interested in perusing details of some of these
topics these links might be interesting;
Secure Coding Practices
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/aa570401Hardening Linux

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3144985/linux-hardening-a-15-step-checklist-for-a-secure-linux-server.htmlPenetration 


Testing 

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Nearly every SoHo "router" can be put in Bridge Mode, and routers are 
nearly always cheaper.


On 5/21/2019 11:04 AM, rv6amark via Elecraft wrote:

Re:  "...and work like a bridge between the two network...Like this one for example...I 
have been using a similar product (Netgear WINCE2001) for years on my home alarm system with 
no problems.  They add WiFi capability to any device that has an Ethernet port.  Be sure to 
follow the configuration instructions CAREFULLY.  Search for "WiFi Ethernet  
bridge".   Sadly, the price of this Netgear device has doubled (now $200 USD on Amazon) 
since I bought mine.  Happily, cheaper devices are finally on the market.Mark,KE6BB
...and work like a bridge between the two network. In this way, maybe, you can connect the K4 to the wifi 
in a more "natural" way.Like this one for 
example:https://www.amazon.com/Vonets-VAR11N-300-Multi-Functional-Wireless-Portable/dp/B01199OGK0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=vonets+VAR11+N-300=1558431899=gateway=8-1-fkmrnull-spons=1Best
 regards, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY / W2NOY
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Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The argument for is simple, and compelling for a company like Elecraft.

I know that my KX3 has functions that were not even dreamed of when the 
front panel layout and silkscreen were finalized.


They've cleverly added these modes and functions by "overloading" 
buttons -- push twice, push and hold, etc.


If the front panel is a touch-screen with the buttons drawn in, the 
panel layout can be updated as part of a firmware upgrade.


For a manufacturer who releases a new model every few months and never 
enhances the existing products, the argument is not as compelling.


-- Lynn

On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Al Lorona wrote:

I don't think you guys understood me. I shouldn't have veiled my concern with a 
tongue-in-cheek post.

So I will be direct. I was referring to the physiological event of touching a 
screen with a finger. It must be just me, because a large percentage of the 
time a touch screen does not respond to my finger. I have experienced this at 
ATMs, at the self checkout at Home Depot, at the airport, on my smart phone, 
etc. When you have to stand there, tapping over and over to get them to 
respond, touch screens just aren't as reliable, responsive, accurate, or fast 
as a control.

Touch screens are beautiful, but they seem to ignore me. My fingers are 
low-capacitance, I guess! For that reason, I wouldn't tolerate one any more 
than I would tolerate a sticky volume control that took three or four twists 
before the volume turned up. None of us would put up with that.

I'm a little surprised others haven't had the same experience as Thaddeus. 
Maybe they're just too shy to admit it.

The next time you tap something on your phone, and you have to tap again to get 
it to work, I want you to think of me.

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

POPfile does an admirable job of sorting.  This message went directly to 
my OT folder, the "will there be a K4" thread is in the QRO folder, etc.


I do not have to build filters or know why it puts a message in a 
folder, I just have to classify a couple of examples to start, then 
reclassify a few mistakes from time to time.


73 -- Lynn

On 3/24/2019 12:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key 
works

fine.


It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which 
is why I don't use the digest mode.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The purpose of this group is what the moderator says it is.

On 3/24/2019 5:40 AM, Bill wrote:
I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical 
support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask 
questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.


I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, 
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group 
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.


Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be 
taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?


Bill W2BLC owner/user

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Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

LSMFT: Low Space means Fine Teletype

On 3/20/2019 2:12 PM, Roy Koeppe wrote:


Or, "Simplicity is Ingenuity"

Roy   K6XK

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft business practices - more info

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... and being in the service provider business, I can tell you that way 
too many shopping carts are set up on the assumption that the product 
will ship within 24 hours.


The typical developer has never read a merchant credit card agreement, 
and doesn't know that many of them state that you do not charge the card 
until the merchandise is actually shipped.


The developer doesn't seen a need for split transactions, since no one 
ever mentioned that they'd be taking orders for a very expensive product 
with an order backlog.


I'm ashamed of what my industry has become.

-- Lynn

On 2/13/2019 8:52 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:

Being in the payments industry, I can tell you that most of these policies
are driven by the card brands (Visa, MasterCard, etc.), certifying bodies
(PCI, EMVCo) as well as the payment gateways.  It is a very complicated
chain with many rules.

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Re: [Elecraft] Phillips screwdrivers

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I see the subject and I keep thinking "Vodka and Milk of Magnesia."
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Re: [Elecraft] Ideas for an FT8 Radio

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If the radio was basically a Pi Hat then upgrading the computer would be 
relatively easy.


 and using a standard, commonly available computer means that you 
could run useful modes, and modes that have yet to be invented, not just 
FT8.


73 -- Lynn

On 12/30/2018 1:38 PM, Todd wrote:
Have a look at some of OH8STN's you tube videos.  He's done a lot of 
portable FT8 ops and has

a lot of neat ideas...

Later,
Todd KH2TJ

Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:
Ok, I am going out on a limb. I have been trying to imagine an FT8 all 
in one radio.

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Re: [Elecraft] How to unsubscribe from reflector?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Yet putting all your passwords in a globally accessible password manager 
seems to be acceptable to most people, if not everyone.


Go figure.

73 -- Lynn

On 12/29/2018 4:04 PM, W2xj wrote:

Work for most large media companies worth billions and writing down passwords 
will have security escorting you out of the building, a lost pension and a 
major followup security investigation.

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Re: [Elecraft] Off-topic, but I need help.

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I've suggested POPfile, which does naive bayesian filtering -- which is 
almost magical.


Yes, Thunderbird can do a great job, but it won't filter off topic, and 
you have to do a lot of work.


With POPfile, you classify a few messages (KX3, K3S, Antenna, Digital 
Modes, whatever) and the filter "scores" the words from the messages you 
classified, and uses the score to put the message where it belongs.


If it gets one wrong, you reclassify it, and the filter improves.

It does *not* rely on posters to put rational subjects, and it deals 
with topic drift automatically.


POPfile works with real mail clients (with their awesome search capability).

73 -- Lynn

On 12/29/2018 4:49 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
The filtering and searching tools provided by modern email clients give 
one a lot of capability.  It takes a bit of thought to set it up, but 
makes email quite sane and manageable once set up for your needs and 
desires.

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Re: [Elecraft] How to unsubscribe from reflector?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Pretty sure this will work.

Go to: 

Near the bottom of that page is a button that says "unsubscribe or edit 
options" -- put the E-Mail address to be removed there.


That will send an E-Mail with a link.

Click on the link and the address will be removed.  A password probably 
isn't necessary (it's optional, I don't have one).


It's secure because someone has to receive the E-Mail.

73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] Off-topic, but I need help.

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

There are lots of great tools to sort E-Mail.  I've mentioned them before.

What I hate about message boards: someone will sign in, leave question, 
people will jump in to solve the problem -- and the person asking may 
never return to the board.


Message Boards (Forums, whatever) are a pull technology.  You have to go 
to the site to participate.  E-Mail is a push.


If you tire of sorting manually look into POPfile.  I know it's labelled 
as a spam filter, but it can easily sort the K3S and KPA-1500 posts from 
the KX2/KX3 posts, separate antenna discussions into one folder, digital 
modes to another folder, CW to a folder, etc.


73 -- Lynn

On 12/29/2018 4:47 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Please *don't* switch to a message board!

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 battery problems

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The big secret is to buy "pre-charged" NiMH batteries.

Normal NiMH batteries will self-discharge in a fairly short period.

Low-self-discharge batteries will hold a charge for a long time, and can 
be sold as "pre-charged" so the consumer can buy the rechargeable 
batteries they want and not have to buy "temporary" alkalines.


Eneloops are considered to be the best, certainly the most well known.

73 -- Lynn

On 12/28/2018 8:21 AM, Robin Kiszka wrote:

Put in a new set of NiMh cells and all seems OK. Use of NiMh seems to be a
discussion issue, but over here in Denmark we have a limited range at
reasonable prices. We don't have all the brands and types as in USA.

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Re: [Elecraft] wire for random wire antenna using kx3

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

This is probably the big reason.

When I got my ticket, things were pretty much coax, but I vaguely 
remember something about open wire (ladder line) being less lossy when 
things were mismatched.


73 -- Lynn

On 12/18/2018 5:00 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Granted, today's TX are comfortable with 50 ohms and not much else but 
that's just impedance matching networks.

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Re: [Elecraft] wire for random wire antenna using kx3

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

How often does the match change at a well-engineered broadcast station?

On 12/18/2018 9:47 AM, W2xj wrote:

That’s why we have adjustable antenna tuners. Same concept.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 18, 2018, at 09:27, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
 wrote:

Broadcast stations rarely QSY.

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Re: [Elecraft] wire for random wire antenna using kx3

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Broadcast stations rarely QSY.

On 12/17/2018 7:45 PM, W2xj wrote:

Coming from the broadcast side, especially AM broadcasting, I never considered 
resonance particularly important. Really it’s just the transmitter that cares. 
We always put matching at the antenna but in ham radio we usually have tuners 
at or in the TX.

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Re: [Elecraft] wire for random wire antenna using kx3

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I didn't think from the original post that this was going to be used as 
transmission line.


I pictured simply tying both sides of the speaker wire to one terminal 
on the UN-UN.


Speaker wire because he has it, vs. buying wire specifically for a 
temporary antenna.


"Random wire" so the 9:1 transformer is needed if it's close to a 
resonant length and he's feeding the end, maybe not if the wire is some 
non-resonant length, like 53 feet or so.


73 -- Lynn

On 12/17/2018 11:58 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 12/17/2018 6:45 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
However, if you are using the speaker wire as a transmission line, it 
has relatively high loss characteristics


Compared to what?  So-called speaker wire (which is really lousy for 
speakers because it should be twisted pair to minimize RFI) has Zo in 
the range of 75-100 ohms. Unless it's wet, virtually all the loss in 
transmission lines below about 100 MHz is due to wire resistance, not 
dielectric loss. There is, of course, additional loss due to any 
mismatch that may be present, but that still comes down to loss in the 
resistance of the line. While I haven't measured any zip cord, I've 
measured a lot of closely spaced parallel wire transmission line made 
from THHN, enameled copper, and Teflon insulated #12 silver-coated 
copper. In order of loss at dB/100 ft at 10 MHz from low to high, the 
Teflon #12 is lowest at 0.94dB, then RG400 at 1.22 dB (about the same as 
RG58), then #12 THHN at 1.34 dB. #12 or #10 enameled copper had the 
greatest loss, 2.4 dB/100 ft.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Less Than Perfect Antennas [was Flumoxed]

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

73 -- Lynn

On 12/5/2018 4:42 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
It seems these days that the "Amateur media," which includes all of us 
conversing on the air or via email lists, tends to dismiss LTPA [less 
than perfect antennas] which may be discouraging some Technicians from 
trying out their HF allocations on 10, 15, 40, and 80.  Hard core DX'ers 
and contesters will scoff at a BWD-90 or my end-fed 80-10 at 6 ft on the 
wooden fence, and I don't intend to make the Honor Roll with it, but 
antennas don't need to be perfect to work and even work well.  I snagged 
VP6D on 40, 30, 20, and 17 CW with 100 W to my WOOF [Wire On Organic 
Fence] and it was easy.  The SOTA folk don't buy a tower, they just hike 
up a mountain.  I worked two DL's in a row on 15 CW a couple years ago 
from W5N/RO-015 in SE NM with 10 W from my K2 into an Alexloop over my 
head.


If we want younger people to try out HF, we need to assure them that 
they don't have to spend a year's take-home pay to get on and have fun. 
Wayne has been relating some of his QRP-ish field adventures which is 
really great.  Full Disclosure: I'm part of the W7RN crew and have 
remote access to the two remote K3/KPA1500 combos and 23 antenna 
selections [last count [:-) w7rn.com] including a 3-el 80 yagi at 175 
ft.  Most of the time however, my K3/WOOF serves my needs which leaves 
the remotes to those on the crew who have no other option.  RF current 
into a conductor will radiate, even if it's at eye level.


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 12/5/2018 3:31 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
I have one of the BWD-90 antennas up now, (at 25 feet), and use it for 
local contacts on HF daily...


DX is the vertical, soon to be a beam at 55 feet  I also use the 
BWD-90 for all the WARC bands, save 30, which is the vertical.


I also have a new in the box BWD-90, (copper version, not the steel 
version), as well...


Works well with a K3, as the rig is atmospheric noise limited.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon


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Re: [Elecraft] Contributing (wasRe: FT8 Upgrade)

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Running beta software, but not reporting results (good and bad) isn't 
making a major contribution.


Less-than-helpful testers is a major problem for developers, which is 
why some resort to software that reports by itself, and beta versions 
that quit running on a particular date.


Developers wouldn't have to do that if testers really understood testing.

73 -- Lynn

On 11/29/2018 1:45 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
Contributing to the development of FREE software that we use is a bad 
thing? WSJT-X is a voluntary effort by a group of hams who are 
proficient at programming. Simply by using the new software we make QSOs 
with other hams who are also using it, we are contributing.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: SPAM filtering ...

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I ran an ISP for 20 years or so.

Server-side filtering is great.  I still run my own mail server.

If you use a mail client on your own machine, POPFile is awesome.



It can even classify a list like this one into different mail folders 
based by topic and is fairly easy to set up.


It will even filter the massively off-topic topics that spiral out of 
control.


73 -- Lynn

On 11/9/2018 4:21 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Between Rose and me we have four email addresses, yet SPAM is rare.  Can't
help but credit our provider, CenturyLink.

73 !

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Worldwide Transceiver Survey

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If you ask 10,000 hams, at random, you get a statistically valid result.

If the participants in the survey are self-selected, the results mean 
nothing -- and you get "Boaty McBoatface" as the winning name for the 
British NERC's new vessel.


73 -- Lynn

On 10/3/2018 12:01 PM, Stephen Shearer wrote:

Maybe the "powered by ICOM" has something to do with it???

steve WB3LGC/NR3I

On 10/3/2018 11:23 AM, Nr4c wrote:
A rather useless survey. Nowhere to enter model, only manufacture. Not 
aware Beofeng made an HF radio.


Very disappointed.

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I have a Raspberry Pi 3 running OpenVPN to solve exactly this kind of 
problem.


OpenVPN lets you connect remotely from the outside world and actually 
get an IP off of your own LAN.


The best thing about this is you aren't opening ports that *might* be 
vulnerable to some exploit -- other than the Pi, but at least it's a 
single point of attack.


You don't have to be a Linux expert to do this, you can pretty much do 
this in cookbook fashion successfully.


Once installed, you also get access to any NAS boxes, your home printer, 
etc. from anywhere -- the VPN is just like a really long ethernet cable.


Eventually, I'll get FLDIGI running on the Pi, when time permits, and 
have everything I need to run digital from anywhere inside or outside my 
home.


73 -- Lynn

On 9/19/2018 8:30 AM, John Langdon wrote:

I set the IP by using the facility in my router to assign a fixed IP to a MAC address. 
Using the "KPA1500 remote" software I can access the amp on the local LAN via 
Ethernet or via the USB connection.

I have not been able to access it remotely via the Ethernet interface by 
forwarding an external port to the KPA1500 IP address and port, so I use the 
USB interface and then Windows desktop connection to accomplish remote control. 
This is okay for one person access, which is all I need.  The software should 
provide multi-user access, but I have not been able to achieve that so far.

73 John N5CQ


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Burl Borcherding
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:46 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address

Is it possible to set a static IP address on this amp?  I am thinking using one 
of my static IPv4 address and port 1500.  This would eliminate the local 
/server computer.
Or is there a better method of using remote K3, KPA1500 and RemoteRig?  I want 
to be able to use the KPA1500 app to monitor the amp.

Burl,  AJ9Q
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Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I haven't checked the rules, but box with a low-power 60 KHz transmitter 
and something like a Raspberry Pi to get time via NTP and transmit 
WWVB-like signals over 100 feet or so might be a viable product.


73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

One could make the same argument about CW: there are new modes that 
provide reliable communication well below the noise floor.


For that matter, HF is subject to propagation, and the internet is like 
a band that's always open -- and the data rates are higher.


Yet there is an "installed base" of "legacy operators" who love CW.

There is an installed base of devices that work wonderfully (atomic 
clocks) that will no longer keep accurate time unless they somehow hear JJY.


73 -- Lynn

P.S. no flames from CW ops -- I support your love for the mode and 
diversity in our hobby.


On 8/20/2018 8:32 AM, John Harper wrote:

What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
standard?

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I think the millions of people who bought "atomic clocks" with no 
technical background, no idea of how they set themselves would disagree.


... but only once they realize their "atomic clocks" are far less accurate.

The technology is attractive.  You put in a battery, set the time zone 
and it just works.


GPS clocks may need a clear view of the sky, and anything using network 
time will need to connect to your LAN.


Much harder to set up.

73 -- Lynn

On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote:

The
clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a
valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in part) to my
Casio watch.

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Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Pro-tip: include links in < and > -- most mail clients will not chop 
them in two:




On 8/19/2018 12:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/
maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Isn't there a rule about using the minimum power necessary?

On 8/17/2018 11:20 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Do they?

I have a KPA500, not a '1500 but I run mine full tilt on RTTY.

Something to bear in mind in this discussion is that we run our 
equipment in ICAS, not CCS.  Even in a contest situation we probably 
only transmit half the time.  During the off (RX) time the amp isn't 
drawing any plate, collector or drain current, nor is it drawing much 
current on CW, key up or SSB between syllables. RTTY is a "continuous" 
mode without the syllabic breather, but it's still intermittent.


Wes

On 8/17/2018 6:43 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:

So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power?

John KK9A


From: Charlie K3ICH
Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018


I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising.
It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest
efficiency occurring at near max output.
Which curiously, I would assume,  is the way the amp was designed.

Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency.
Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc: charles at k5ua.com
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

Interesting data, Charles.  I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or 
KPA500)

at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that
efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was 
this

significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to
dissipate no matter what power level you use.

John KK9A

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Re: [Elecraft] Long wire - portable operation KX3 with tuner

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The key is to make sure the radiator is not a multiple of 1/2 wave, the 
impedance at the end will be too high.


A non-resonant length will work wonderfully.

Here is a good chart: 

73 -- Lynn

On 7/19/2018 5:16 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:

Skimmed through the manual but did not find the reference to length of random 
wire (in a tree for example) and the trailing wire.
I found 20’ and 13’ respectively in the manual but thought there was some 
“other” reference for 30’ and something for the trailing wire.  Anyone?
de KG9H
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[Elecraft] [OT] List volume

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

After a day away from computers, I came home to 217 messages from this list.

It took me 4 minutes to scan, read some, and delete the ones that did 
not interest me.


I can afford 4 minutes in exchange for the general wisdom gleaned from 
the posts.


73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] Breakers for KPA1500?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Code generally says 12 amps max on a 15 amp circuit.

On 7/10/2018 11:42 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Think about what you normally plug into a 120 volt 15 amp receptacle - 
does it always draw 15 amps?  Certainly a hair dryer might, but your 
cellphone charger does not.

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[Elecraft] Friends don't let Friends post in HTML

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... yet we do see a lot of that lately.

The list strips out HTML, so if your post was blank, you now know why.

-- Lynn
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[Elecraft] Sorting mail automatically

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating.

There is this awesome program called POPFile.  You can get it here: 



This is an automatic mail classifier based on "Naive Bayesian Filtering" 
but you don't need to worry about that.


Like all of us, I have some specific interests in what shows up on the 
list.  I'd like something to sort them so that I don't have to.


Let's say I'd like list mail sorted into the following:

  KX3
  Portable
  Digital Modes
  Antennas
  Other

I'd grab a copy of POPfile and set it up on my computer (Windows, Mac, 
whatever).


I'd set up "buckets" for each topic in POPfile.

Then I'd set up folders in my mail client, one for each topic.  The 
POPfile website tells how to set up your mail client to read headers 
added by POPfile and create rules to move the mail.


... then you have POPfile check mail.

First time, all of the mail will end up in the same place.

You go through and read some messages and "classify" them -- there is a 
link that lets you tell POPfile which "bucket" or "folder" the message 
goes in.


From this point forward, you scan the folders and reclassify only the 
messages that ended in the wrong place.


After classifying maybe a dozen messages, POPfile will get it right more 
than 80% of the time.  It gets better fast.


If you're bothered by how much off-topic or uninteresting mail shows up 
on the list, this is your answer.


I gave a more complex example.  You could just sort the mail into "cool" 
and "boring" if you like.


POPfile is free.

73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

It depends on the inspector.

You're correct about code and safety.  Bigger wire has less loss and 
will stay cooler.


Inspectors may look at a job, see a 15 amp breaker and yellow NM, and 
insist on the "correct size" breakers, and the "correct" 15/20A outlets.


Sadly, code is often what the local inspector thinks it is.

73 -- Lynn

On 6/14/2018 8:53 AM, Phil Kane wrote:

You can always/undersize/  the breaker - the code specifies*maximum*
current for the wire size.  (In the past several months I've been doing
more electrical EE work than electronic EE work projects:)  )

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Re: [Elecraft] power requirements for a K3S, KPA500, KAT500, P3?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

NO!  The wire will get very hot, and you may burn down your house as a 
result.


On 6/13/2018 8:02 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft wrote:

2) If not can I get away with replacing the breaker with a 20A breaker? 30A?

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Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Many of the newer receptacles have a similar hole, but the screw is 
actually connected to an internal clamp.


These are very nearly as easy to use as the old push-in receptacles, but 
far more secure since you're actually tightening the screw on the side 
to secure the clamp.


73 -- Lynn

On 6/14/2018 6:07 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
And in replacing receptacles, I found the original 1980 wiring in our 
house was done by the "strip and push-in" connections.

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] VHF FM Operation

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Ken,

You clearly are not a Repeater Coordinator in Southern California.

Co-channel interference is pretty common.

Most repeaters do encode PL on the output side, and a decoder in your 
radio is extremely helpful.


73 -- Lynn

On 6/10/2018 12:41 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

Bryan,

It's -highly- unlikely either repeater involved transmits a CTCSS tone,
which would be needed to accomplish what you want ... -very- few do.

Do you know if either one does?  A repeater directory should tell you.
What's the call of the one you refer to?  I can look it up for you if you
don't have a RD


I've been a repeater coordinator for almost 50 years, FWIW.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP


On Sun, Jun 10, 2018, 13:15 br...@bbbrauer.com [KX3] <
kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




One of our local repeaters has considerable QRM from another nearby
repeater.  I would like to set the squelch on my receiver to open only when
it receives the sub audible tone transmitted by the repeater.  I find no
instructions in any of the manuals as to how to do this on my KX3. Does my
radio firmware include this feature/


AI6B

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT-8 vs. PSK31: an enlightening Sunday morning field report

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

There is nothing quite so satisfying as a nice ragchew in a quiet room 
with some nice light jazz or somesuch in the background.


... or Wayne may have enjoyed the quiet morning outside during his 
PSK-31 QSO.


There are higher uses for ears, but obviously, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 6/3/2018 9:39 AM, Lee Hiers wrote:

Yet i still can't copy it by earstill just noise.  Obviously YMMV.

73 de Lee, AA4GA

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Re: [Elecraft] Boldly OT: 6 meter Sporadic-E season and the FT-8 microjuggernaut

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Take a look at wsprnet.org.

No twitter, nothing funky, just a map showing stations that are 
transmitting and who hears them.


73 -- Lynn

On 6/2/2018 10:28 AM, Scott wrote:
3)  Now to beat up the computer geeks.  Someone could set up a twitter 
or gab account and advertise it to the ham community at large via 
reflectors and use the account specifically for reporting band openings. 
  Then you could get notified on the ubiquitous smart phone and who 
knows maybe there is or will be soon a rig remote control app for your 
phone.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Make sure the NiMH cells are "precharged" types.  They're 
low-self-discharge.


Standard NiMH will run down by themselves rather quickly.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/31/2018 3:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I will also vouch for the PAE KX33 power supply, it is ideal for the 
KX2, KX3 or the K2/10.


If you are running a KX3 with a PX3, Pro Audio Engineering has a "Y" 
cable that powers both from the same supply.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2018 4:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
You can also power the KX3 from an external 9-15 V battery pack (e.g. 
our KXBT2 & its fast charger) or a power supply. One popular supply:


    https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/

73,
Wayne
N6KR




On May 31, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:

Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 
8 NiMh cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo 
Eneloops in mine.


Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 







On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:

Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.

I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the 
battery
fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there 
would

be some note about that.

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
ge...@w1ve.com
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB Drivers

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

There is a difference between security packages and bug fixes and upgrades.

Security patches are important in our highly-networked world.

When an "upgrade" affects functionality, that is unacceptable.

The typical Windows 10 upgrade is twice the size of the typical Linux 
distribution.


Android at least does this mostly-right.  A major upgrade requires 
permission, security patches don't.  This isn't always true of 
applications.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/31/2018 12:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

When I buy a computer and an operating system, who owns it?  Does it belong to 
he who bought and paid for it, or does it continue to belong to the company 
that produced it?  Windows is not alone in this.  Mac OS has its own version of 
forcing unrequested and often unauthorized updates, as is Samsung / Android or 
whoever makes those systems.  Updates are installed at the producer's election, 
and as often as not in my experience with all three systems they disable or 
scramble the functions of some application I had been relying on.

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Re: [Elecraft] DSP vs. non-DSP portable transceivers

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If I was Eric and Wayne, I'd name the next base transceiver the K5, just 
because.


On 5/22/2018 11:26 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi Buck,

I’m not entirely sure how to parse your response to my posting. But I can cover 
several possible interpretations by pointing out that the K3S has all of the 
same DSP features as the KX2/KX3, and then some. The K3S also has the 
advantages of a superhet, with narrow crystal filters in the 1st IF protecting 
the ADCs.

The P3 panadapter, meanwhile, is actually a direct-sampling SDR, with its own 
DSP. It taps off the 1st IF, which is protected by the K3’s marrow RF band-pass 
filters. The P3’s noise floor is extremely low because it is also preceded by 
the K3’s preamp, LNA, and low-loss mixer.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Internal Batteries

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I've had good results in a number of applications with any of the 
"pre-charged" NiMH.


"pre-charged" is the key.  That's the normal marketing-speak for 
low-self-discharge.


Eneloops are a very safe bet.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/9/2018 8:01 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

No, the Amazon Basics batteries are not the same as the Eneloop Pro. For one 
thing, they are 2400 mAh instead of 2550 mAh. The best bet is that Amazon 
Basics batteries are the previous version of Eneloops, made in the old factory. 
But that is a guess.

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

They do, and thanks for not asking how I know.

On 4/19/2018 4:30 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:

I hope that they taste better than polystyrene foam peanuts.

John KK9A


Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
  
Many companies use packing peanuts made of potato starch.  They're water

soluble and biodegradable.  Dump 'em on your front lawn and turn on the
sprinklers.

Even if they blow away, the first good rain will take care of them.

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Many companies use packing peanuts made of potato starch.  They're water 
soluble and biodegradable.  Dump 'em on your front lawn and turn on the 
sprinklers.


Even if they blow away, the first good rain will take care of them.

On 4/19/2018 8:57 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

Look in the shipping department.   They have a huge dispenser and just open
a spigot and let them pour in.  Fast and easy, pushing the labor for
removal to the person OPENING the package.  ;)


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Re: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Actually, we're talking about exactly the same thing.

I should have included  tags.  Sorry for the omission.

On 3/2/2018 2:03 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/2/2018 1:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.


Actually, what we're describing here is the LACK of a Standard -- each 
company decided in isolation how to implement things like this.

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Re: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/2/2018 1:43 PM, ab2tc wrote:

My main point is that the amateur community should move towards following
the "standard". If all devices followed that "standard" they would all work
together and there would be no problem with one device powering another.

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Re: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Note that "low self-discharge" or "precharged" batteries are a must.

You can get higher capacity batteries, but they'll always be dead when 
you reach for the rig.


73 -- Lynn

On 2/28/2018 9:20 PM, Tox wrote:

I've got the Amazon branded hi capacity lsd nimhs in my kx3, no problems
with them.

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Re: [Elecraft] Old Posts

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If this thread lasts long enough, it could still be going when the first 
posts reappear.


On 2/7/2018 3:47 PM, Mike Flowers wrote:

Everything old is new again ...

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 3:31 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Old Posts


I'm waiting for the posts about old posts to start showing up as old posts in my
inbox.

Dave   AB7E


On 2/7/2018 1:03 PM, Kev Schache wrote:

I'm also receiving the old posts

KevVK5KS

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Re: [Elecraft] Old Posts

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... or a difference between expectation and reality.

You drop a letter at the post office, and you expect it to be delivered 
in a day or two, and it usually is, but sometimes it takes weeks.


E-Mail is no different.  It's not instant messaging, it is usually fast, 
but it can take five days.


It's in the standards documents that describe SMTP.

73 -- Lynn

On 2/7/2018 10:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:

No you are not, I got 71 this AM.  Turbulence in the "cloud?"

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/7/2018 3:20 AM, Mike Harris wrote:

G'day,

Am I the only one being bombarded by old posts? 50+ turned up this 
morning, some going back to 29th January.


Regards,

Mike VP8NO


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Re: [Elecraft] am i missing something?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Optimistic.  He knows they're made out of unobtanium.

On 1/30/2018 2:54 PM, bill wrote:

Even though I have one, I didn't build it, so I would love to find an unbuilt 
KX1.

Today, one came up on one of the ham swap lists. The asking price? "$1500 or a new 
KX3"  ... am I missing something or is this a very very optimistic seller?

very puzzled 73 de bill K7WXW

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Re: [Elecraft] K1-2-Band-Module for sale on eBay...

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If I'm not mistaken, PayPal payments are revocable -- they can be reversed.

Recovering the item or getting your money is easier if you can do it 
under the same legal system -- if you don't have to deal with 
international law.


Most of us have no desire to commit fraud, so it isn't an issue.

That doesn't explain Alaska or Hawaii, especially if the buyer is 
willing to cover shipping.


73 -- Lynn


The other possibility is that they do not want to deal with payment from
all over the world, but PayPal makes that seemless in most cases.

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Re: [Elecraft] Special type of coax - need info

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I've seen the name "TwinAx" somewhere.  It was probably networking or 
terminals, at least 30 years ago.


73 -- Lynn

On 1/16/2018 11:55 AM, Bill wrote:
30 years ago, when I was living in Fairfax County, VA, the TV cable was 
shipped around on a double coax cable.

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Re: [Elecraft] PAR/LNR EFHW antenna

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

What part of life isn't a trade-off?

Another answer might be "don't feed it at the end."

I'd be thinking about a quarter-wave of ladder line if I was aiming at 
one band -- always liked J antennas.


A dipole is a lot closer to 50 ohms.

Lots of answers.  All compromises.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/9/2018 2:37 PM, K9MA wrote:

On 1/9/2018 15:48, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
The whole balun discussion comes from trying to match a near-infinite 
impedance, and chopping the wire down a bit (or making it longer) is 
going to bring it to an impedance that the tuner can match.


That's a trade-off:  You can match it without an external tuner designed 
for high impedance antennas, but the higher counterpoise current will 
waste some of your power.  Also, the high current part of the wire, 
which does most of the radiating, may be closer to the ground.


73,

Scott  K9MA


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Re: [Elecraft] PAR/LNR EFHW antenna

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

KX2 so not much power.  53 feet of Wireman #534 should tune and radiate 
on most bands with a KX2, and fit in a sandwich sized baggie.  Another 
chunk for a counterpoise.


Simple.  Maybe not perfect, but simple.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/9/2018 1:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

I use a switch tapped air inductor with a variable C on one end. It is an L 
network thus it is reversible and will match either Hi Z or Lo Z loads. This 
always brings the load to within range the ATU in the radio can resolve a match.

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 9, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
<kx...@coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

Going way back to the original post, it seems to me that there is a simple 
answer:

The OP wants something that is very portable, that the KX2 will tune.

The whole balun discussion comes from trying to match a near-infinite 
impedance, and chopping the wire down a bit (or making it longer) is going to 
bring it to an impedance that the tuner can match.

Lotta folks doing that.

73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] PAR/LNR EFHW antenna

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Going way back to the original post, it seems to me that there is a 
simple answer:


The OP wants something that is very portable, that the KX2 will tune.

The whole balun discussion comes from trying to match a near-infinite 
impedance, and chopping the wire down a bit (or making it longer) is 
going to bring it to an impedance that the tuner can match.


Lotta folks doing that.

73 -- Lynn
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Re: [Elecraft] PAR/LNR EFHW antenna

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

He does sell just the box.

On 1/9/2018 1:28 PM, Dennis Moore wrote:

Inquiring minds want to know...  :-)

Dennis NJ6G


On 1/9/2018 13:25, Fred Jensen wrote:
I'd have to destroy it to see what's inside the box. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Very off topic, but trying to get info...

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

On 1/7/2018 10:33 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:

On 2018-01-07 11:52 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
As a near neighbor to Saguaro National Park at one time I knew the 
Chief Ranger on a first name basis. He used to keep up with the 
geocache website and remove caches as soon as they got listed.


Was that due to some legal thing where people aren't allowed to leave 
items in a national park?



It's called "littering" and it is in fact unlawful.
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