Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Clark Macaulay]

Unfortunately, this other kit requires removal of some of the options I
already have (like battery).

I do have a K3 with 60m and 6m capability.  Still, it would have been cool
to add this option.

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:05 AM Bill Coleman  wrote:

> There’s also another, similar kit, the TIK2:
> http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/TIK2.pdf
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Harry Yingst  wrote:
> >
> > Downeast Microwaver already did that
> >
> > Look Here  http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/EKTI.pdf
> >
> > From this page https://www.downeastmicrowave.com/articles.asp?ID=252
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 06:56:07 AM EDT, Bill Coleman <
> aa...@arrl.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gwen,
> >
> > You missed the point. They DISCONTINUED the K60XV because they could no
> longer obtain the bottom-adjustment trimmer caps.
> >
> > Wayne suggested someone could design a new board that just had the XV
> part of the kit.
> >
> > What I’m saying is that the existing board would work just fine for the
> XV part of the kit. Since Elecraft CANNOT supply all of the 60m parts,
> since some of them are no longer available, why not just sell a re-branded
> kit that just has the XV parts.
> >
> > There is NO liability concern, since the rebranded kit works just as
> advertised.
> >
> > I’ve encountered many, many electronic products in my lifetime where a
> single board is variously populated with parts, depending on the features
> present.
> >
> > I spent a little bit of time looking at the K60XV schematic, and it
> looks like the 60m component is about 10 or so parts
> >
> > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > > It's not just a matter of deciding to sell the thing without a few
> parts. Manufacturing and distributing hardware, whether pre-assembled or in
> kit form, takes a LOT of work.
> > > Check out this video from Dave Jones at the EEVBlog on the economics
> of manufacturing your own hardware: https://youtu.be/UwrkfHadeQQ There's
> also a long thread on his forum:
> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-887-the-economics-of-selling-hardware/
> > >
> > > I strongly recommend Dave's Youtube channel and his forum for
> information about electronics. If you're in the industry, maybe you've
> already run into it. I hope the video I linked helps clarify why it's not
> just a matter of putting out a kit or product "without the 60m parts". (I
> wouldn't even want to know the product liability side of distributing a
> product missing some parts because they're no longer available. That sounds
> like a lawsuit waiting to happen.)
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Gwen, NG3P (who in no way works for Elecraft, and is just putting in
> her 2 cents worth)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
> > > Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m
> parts?
> > >
> > > That way, no one has to design a new board.
> > >
> > > You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.
> > >
> > > > On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors
> leveraged in the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't
> have staff available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and
> demand is low.
> > > >
> > > > The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board.
> Schematics are available if someone would like to home-roll a replacement.
> We could supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 that runs the
> module (cost TBD).
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > Wayne
> > > > N6KR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella 
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> > > >> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps
> something
> > > >> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> > > >>
> > > >> Neil, KN3ILZ
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Bill Coleman]

There’s also another, similar kit, the TIK2:
http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/TIK2.pdf



> On Sep 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Harry Yingst  wrote:
> 
> Downeast Microwaver already did that
> 
> Look Here  http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/EKTI.pdf
> 
> From this page https://www.downeastmicrowave.com/articles.asp?ID=252
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 06:56:07 AM EDT, Bill Coleman 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Gwen,
> 
> You missed the point. They DISCONTINUED the K60XV because they could no 
> longer obtain the bottom-adjustment trimmer caps.
> 
> Wayne suggested someone could design a new board that just had the XV part of 
> the kit.
> 
> What I’m saying is that the existing board would work just fine for the XV 
> part of the kit. Since Elecraft CANNOT supply all of the 60m parts, since 
> some of them are no longer available, why not just sell a re-branded kit that 
> just has the XV parts.
> 
> There is NO liability concern, since the rebranded kit works just as 
> advertised.
> 
> I’ve encountered many, many electronic products in my lifetime where a single 
> board is variously populated with parts, depending on the features present. 
> 
> I spent a little bit of time looking at the K60XV schematic, and it looks 
> like the 60m component is about 10 or so parts
> 
> > On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> > 
> > Bill,
> > It's not just a matter of deciding to sell the thing without a few parts. 
> > Manufacturing and distributing hardware, whether pre-assembled or in kit 
> > form, takes a LOT of work. 
> > Check out this video from Dave Jones at the EEVBlog on the economics of 
> > manufacturing your own hardware: https://youtu.be/UwrkfHadeQQ There's also 
> > a long thread on his forum: 
> > https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-887-the-economics-of-selling-hardware/
> > 
> > I strongly recommend Dave's Youtube channel and his forum for information 
> > about electronics. If you're in the industry, maybe you've already run into 
> > it. I hope the video I linked helps clarify why it's not just a matter of 
> > putting out a kit or product "without the 60m parts". (I wouldn't even want 
> > to know the product liability side of distributing a product missing some 
> > parts because they're no longer available. That sounds like a lawsuit 
> > waiting to happen.)
> > 
> > 73,
> > Gwen, NG3P (who in no way works for Elecraft, and is just putting in her 2 
> > cents worth)
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
> > Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?
> > 
> > That way, no one has to design a new board.
> > 
> > You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.
> > 
> > > On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> > > 
> > > The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged 
> > > in the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff 
> > > available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is 
> > > low.
> > > 
> > > The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board. 
> > > Schematics are available if someone would like to home-roll a 
> > > replacement. We could supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 
> > > that runs the module (cost TBD).
> > > 
> > > 73,
> > > Wayne
> > > N6KR
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> > >> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
> > >> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> > >> 
> > >> Neil, KN3ILZ
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Bill Coleman]

GOOD TO KNOW.

It’s not the K60XV, but it is an option. Thanks!

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Harry Yingst  wrote:
> 
> Downeast Microwaver already did that
> 
> Look Here  http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/EKTI.pdf
> 
> From this page https://www.downeastmicrowave.com/articles.asp?ID=252
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 06:56:07 AM EDT, Bill Coleman 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Gwen,
> 
> You missed the point. They DISCONTINUED the K60XV because they could no 
> longer obtain the bottom-adjustment trimmer caps.
> 
> Wayne suggested someone could design a new board that just had the XV part of 
> the kit.
> 
> What I’m saying is that the existing board would work just fine for the XV 
> part of the kit. Since Elecraft CANNOT supply all of the 60m parts, since 
> some of them are no longer available, why not just sell a re-branded kit that 
> just has the XV parts.
> 
> There is NO liability concern, since the rebranded kit works just as 
> advertised.
> 
> I’ve encountered many, many electronic products in my lifetime where a single 
> board is variously populated with parts, depending on the features present. 
> 
> I spent a little bit of time looking at the K60XV schematic, and it looks 
> like the 60m component is about 10 or so parts
> 
> > On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> > 
> > Bill,
> > It's not just a matter of deciding to sell the thing without a few parts. 
> > Manufacturing and distributing hardware, whether pre-assembled or in kit 
> > form, takes a LOT of work. 
> > Check out this video from Dave Jones at the EEVBlog on the economics of 
> > manufacturing your own hardware: https://youtu.be/UwrkfHadeQQ There's also 
> > a long thread on his forum: 
> > https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-887-the-economics-of-selling-hardware/
> > 
> > I strongly recommend Dave's Youtube channel and his forum for information 
> > about electronics. If you're in the industry, maybe you've already run into 
> > it. I hope the video I linked helps clarify why it's not just a matter of 
> > putting out a kit or product "without the 60m parts". (I wouldn't even want 
> > to know the product liability side of distributing a product missing some 
> > parts because they're no longer available. That sounds like a lawsuit 
> > waiting to happen.)
> > 
> > 73,
> > Gwen, NG3P (who in no way works for Elecraft, and is just putting in her 2 
> > cents worth)
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
> > Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?
> > 
> > That way, no one has to design a new board.
> > 
> > You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.
> > 
> > > On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> > > 
> > > The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged 
> > > in the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff 
> > > available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is 
> > > low.
> > > 
> > > The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board. 
> > > Schematics are available if someone would like to home-roll a 
> > > replacement. We could supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 
> > > that runs the module (cost TBD).
> > > 
> > > 73,
> > > Wayne
> > > N6KR
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> > >> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
> > >> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> > >> 
> > >> Neil, KN3ILZ
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __
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> 
> 

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Don Wilhelm]

That will work if the transverter can provide a +12 volt signal when it 
is powered on and active.
In other words, it will work for transverters that are manually powered 
on.  An Elecraft transverter would have to be operated in the 
non-Elecraft configuration.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/12/2019 6:59 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

  Downeast Microwaver already did that
Look Here  http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/EKTI.pdf
 From this page https://www.downeastmicrowave.com/articles.asp?ID=252



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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

 Downeast Microwaver already did that
Look Here  http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/Manuals/EKTI.pdf
From this page https://www.downeastmicrowave.com/articles.asp?ID=252




On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 06:56:07 AM EDT, Bill Coleman 
 wrote:  
 
 Gwen,

You missed the point. They DISCONTINUED the K60XV because they could no longer 
obtain the bottom-adjustment trimmer caps.

Wayne suggested someone could design a new board that just had the XV part of 
the kit.

What I’m saying is that the existing board would work just fine for the XV part 
of the kit. Since Elecraft CANNOT supply all of the 60m parts, since some of 
them are no longer available, why not just sell a re-branded kit that just has 
the XV parts.

There is NO liability concern, since the rebranded kit works just as advertised.

I’ve encountered many, many electronic products in my lifetime where a single 
board is variously populated with parts, depending on the features present. 

I spent a little bit of time looking at the K60XV schematic, and it looks like 
the 60m component is about 10 or so parts

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> It's not just a matter of deciding to sell the thing without a few parts. 
> Manufacturing and distributing hardware, whether pre-assembled or in kit 
> form, takes a LOT of work. 
> Check out this video from Dave Jones at the EEVBlog on the economics of 
> manufacturing your own hardware: https://youtu.be/UwrkfHadeQQ  There's also a 
> long thread on his forum: 
> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-887-the-economics-of-selling-hardware/
> 
> I strongly recommend Dave's Youtube channel and his forum for information 
> about electronics. If you're in the industry, maybe you've already run into 
> it. I hope the video I linked helps clarify why it's not just a matter of 
> putting out a kit or product "without the 60m parts". (I wouldn't even want 
> to know the product liability side of distributing a product missing some 
> parts because they're no longer available. That sounds like a lawsuit waiting 
> to happen.)
> 
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P (who in no way works for Elecraft, and is just putting in her 2 
> cents worth)
> 
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
> Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?
> 
> That way, no one has to design a new board.
> 
> You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.
> 
> > On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> > 
> > The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged in 
> > the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff 
> > available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is low.
> > 
> > The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board. 
> > Schematics are available if someone would like to home-roll a replacement. 
> > We could supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 that runs the 
> > module (cost TBD).
> > 
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> > 
> > 
> >> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> >> 
> >> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> >> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
> >> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> >> 
> >> Neil, KN3ILZ
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Bill Coleman]

Gwen,

You missed the point. They DISCONTINUED the K60XV because they could no longer 
obtain the bottom-adjustment trimmer caps.

Wayne suggested someone could design a new board that just had the XV part of 
the kit.

What I’m saying is that the existing board would work just fine for the XV part 
of the kit. Since Elecraft CANNOT supply all of the 60m parts, since some of 
them are no longer available, why not just sell a re-branded kit that just has 
the XV parts.

There is NO liability concern, since the rebranded kit works just as advertised.

I’ve encountered many, many electronic products in my lifetime where a single 
board is variously populated with parts, depending on the features present. 

I spent a little bit of time looking at the K60XV schematic, and it looks like 
the 60m component is about 10 or so parts

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> It's not just a matter of deciding to sell the thing without a few parts. 
> Manufacturing and distributing hardware, whether pre-assembled or in kit 
> form, takes a LOT of work. 
> Check out this video from Dave Jones at the EEVBlog on the economics of 
> manufacturing your own hardware: https://youtu.be/UwrkfHadeQQ  There's also a 
> long thread on his forum: 
> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-887-the-economics-of-selling-hardware/
> 
> I strongly recommend Dave's Youtube channel and his forum for information 
> about electronics. If you're in the industry, maybe you've already run into 
> it. I hope the video I linked helps clarify why it's not just a matter of 
> putting out a kit or product "without the 60m parts". (I wouldn't even want 
> to know the product liability side of distributing a product missing some 
> parts because they're no longer available. That sounds like a lawsuit waiting 
> to happen.)
> 
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P (who in no way works for Elecraft, and is just putting in her 2 
> cents worth)
> 
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
> Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?
> 
> That way, no one has to design a new board.
> 
> You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.
> 
> > On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> > 
> > The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged in 
> > the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff 
> > available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is low.
> > 
> > The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board. 
> > Schematics are available if someone would like to home-roll a replacement. 
> > We could supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 that runs the 
> > module (cost TBD).
> > 
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> > 
> > 
> >> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> >> 
> >> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> >> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
> >> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> >> 
> >> Neil, KN3ILZ
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Gwen Patton]

Bill,
It's not just a matter of deciding to sell the thing without a few parts.
Manufacturing and distributing hardware, whether pre-assembled or in kit
form, takes a LOT of work.
Check out this video from Dave Jones at the EEVBlog on the economics of
manufacturing your own hardware: https://youtu.be/UwrkfHadeQQ  There's also
a long thread on his forum:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-887-the-economics-of-selling-hardware/

I strongly recommend Dave's Youtube channel and his forum for information
about electronics. If you're in the industry, maybe you've already run into
it. I hope the video I linked helps clarify why it's not just a matter of
putting out a kit or product "without the 60m parts". (I wouldn't even want
to know the product liability side of distributing a product missing some
parts because they're no longer available. That sounds like a lawsuit
waiting to happen.)

73,
Gwen, NG3P (who in no way works for Elecraft, and is just putting in her 2
cents worth)

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:

> Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?
>
> That way, no one has to design a new board.
>
> You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.
>
> > On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> >
> > The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged
> in the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff
> available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is low.
> >
> > The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board.
> Schematics are available if someone would like to home-roll a replacement.
> We could supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 that runs the
> module (cost TBD).
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> >>
> >> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> >> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
> >> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> >>
> >> Neil, KN3ILZ
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Fred Jensen]

There are some thing the universe does not allow.  Driving faster than 
the speed of light is one, discarding angular momentum in an isolated 
system is another.  So is "A small cost, small design change."  I lost 
count of the number of customers who said, "How come so much, it's only 
a few lines of code, right?"


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On 9/11/2019 4:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Bill,

Before this "idea" gets too far, let's look at the practical side of it.

You are forgetting the resources required to do that - there is still 
work to design the kit, test it, and write the assembly and test 
instructions.  Firmware would have to be re-written to remove the band 
switch to 60 meters.  Then when all that has happened, write the BOM 
documents and the ECO.  Board design is only a small part of the total 
required effort.


I am certain all available Elecraft resources are being absorbed by 
"putting the wrappings on the K4", and there are none available to do 
those tasks.


Even though the same board could be used, it is still a design effort 
to release such a kit.  For those experimenters who are enterprising, 
I am certain they could "roll their own" - and maybe even could use 
the raw K60XV board from Elecraft as long as stock is available.  The 
part of the K60XV schematic to add just the transverter interface 
parts is easy to extract from the K60XV schematic.  If you don't know 
how to follow a schematic, a bit of learning may be required.


73,
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

Before this "idea" gets too far, let's look at the practical side of it.

You are forgetting the resources required to do that - there is still 
work to design the kit, test it, and write the assembly and test 
instructions.  Firmware would have to be re-written to remove the band 
switch to 60 meters.  Then when all that has happened, write the BOM 
documents and the ECO.  Board design is only a small part of the total 
required effort.


I am certain all available Elecraft resources are being absorbed by 
"putting the wrappings on the K4", and there are none available to do 
those tasks.


Even though the same board could be used, it is still a design effort to 
release such a kit.  For those experimenters who are enterprising, I am 
certain they could "roll their own" - and maybe even could use the raw 
K60XV board from Elecraft as long as stock is available.  The part of 
the K60XV schematic to add just the transverter interface parts is easy 
to extract from the K60XV schematic.  If you don't know how to follow a 
schematic, a bit of learning may be required.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/11/2019 5:18 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:

Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?

That way, no one has to design a new board.

You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Bill Coleman]

Here’s a radical idea. Why not just sell the K60XV, minus the 60m parts?

That way, no one has to design a new board.

You could call it the K—XV, where the 60 part has been subtracted.

> On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged in 
> the design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff 
> available to redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is low.
> 
> The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board. Schematics 
> are available if someone would like to home-roll a replacement. We could 
> supply small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 that runs the module 
> (cost TBD).
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
>> 
>> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
>> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
>> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
>> 
>> Neil, KN3ILZ
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Wayne Burdick]

The high-value, low-temperature-coefficient trimmer capacitors leveraged in the 
design are no longer available. Unfortunately we don't have staff available to 
redesign the board to do it in another way, and demand is low.

The transverter interface by itself could live on a smaller board. Schematics 
are available if someone would like to home-roll a replacement. We could supply 
small quantities of the programmed PIC16C621 that runs the module (cost TBD).

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> 
> FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
> redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
> that would allow easy use of the transverters?
> 
> Neil, KN3ILZ


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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Neil Zampella]

FWIW .. this question is for Wayne or Eric,  could the K60XV be
redesigned using currently available components, or perhaps something
that would allow easy use of the transverters?

Neil, KN3ILZ

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Ed Pflueger]

I built the N0SS amp keying circuit and just use my KPA500 and get around 350 
out if needed.  Not to handy thou if you want to do some operating from a 
picnic table and battery power.  I too would like to get the amp as well and 
use the rig at field Day.

Ed.. AB4IQ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clark Macaulay
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Daniel Solano Gómez 
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

Bummer here. You snooze, you loose on as the K2 parts get harder to find.
My unit #6011 lacks the amp, NR module, and the KX60V. Hope to get a 160 
antenna up this fall after adding the 160m module.

The K2, for me, is most enjoyable to use as well.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 11:17 PM Daniel Solano Gómez 
wrote:

> On vie ago 23 22:17 2019, Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > I was just told they were discontinued a couple of weeks ago. Not 
> > exactly sure why, but I assume one of the parts is no longer available.
> > It is no longer on the order page.
>
> That’s a real shame to hear.  I’ve been pretty happy with a K2 I 
> bought a few months ago as my first HF rig.  I recently came across 
> one of the 6M transverters recently, which I felt was a good find.  
> Now, I realise that having the KX60V might be nice to have.
>
> If anyone has one sitting around the’re willing to sell, I’m game.
>
> 73,
>
> Daniel, AG5UT
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Clark Macaulay]

Bummer here. You snooze, you loose on as the K2 parts get harder to find.
My unit #6011 lacks the amp, NR module, and the KX60V. Hope to get a 160
antenna up this fall after adding the 160m module.

The K2, for me, is most enjoyable to use as well.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 11:17 PM Daniel Solano Gómez 
wrote:

> On vie ago 23 22:17 2019, Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > I was just told they were discontinued a couple of weeks ago. Not
> > exactly sure why, but I assume one of the parts is no longer available.
> > It is no longer on the order page.
>
> That’s a real shame to hear.  I’ve been pretty happy with a K2 I bought
> a few months ago as my first HF rig.  I recently came across one of the
> 6M transverters recently, which I felt was a good find.  Now, I realise
> that having the KX60V might be nice to have.
>
> If anyone has one sitting around the’re willing to sell, I’m game.
>
> 73,
>
> Daniel, AG5UT
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Daniel Solano Gómez]

On vie ago 23 22:17 2019, Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:
> Don,
>
> I was just told they were discontinued a couple of weeks ago. Not
> exactly sure why, but I assume one of the parts is no longer available.
> It is no longer on the order page.

That’s a real shame to hear.  I’ve been pretty happy with a K2 I bought
a few months ago as my first HF rig.  I recently came across one of the
6M transverters recently, which I felt was a good find.  Now, I realise
that having the KX60V might be nice to have.

If anyone has one sitting around the’re willing to sell, I’m game.

73,

Daniel, AG5UT

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[demindor .]

Don,

Actually, based on the shipping status (as of July 19th, 2019) K60XV
is marked as discontinued.

https://elecraft.com/pages/shipping-status


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:02 PM Don Wilhelm  wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> As far as I know, there is no reason for the K60XV to have been
> discontinued.  Call the sales office to see if it can still be ordered.
> You will need firmware version 2.04 to support the K60XV.  You can
> easily check your firmware revision level by holding any button in while
> powering on the K2 - the level for the MCU and the KIOC will be briefly
> displayed.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/23/2019 5:00 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
> > I was recently considering a project which required to update my K2 with 
> > what is perhaps the last possible option — the K60XV.
> >
> > However, I was not able to find this product on the re-vamped Elecraft 
> > site. I did, however, find the newer K2 back panel that supports the jacks 
> > for the K60XV.
> >
> > Did Elecraft discontinue this kit? Or can it still be special ordered?
> >
> > I know there were some complications with firmware revisions in ordering 
> > the K60XV. My K2 is mostly up to date - I only need the firmware update for 
> > the KPA100, I think.
> >
> > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

As far as I know, there is no reason for the K60XV to have been 
discontinued.  Call the sales office to see if it can still be ordered.
You will need firmware version 2.04 to support the K60XV.  You can 
easily check your firmware revision level by holding any button in while 
powering on the K2 - the level for the MCU and the KIOC will be briefly 
displayed.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/23/2019 5:00 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:

I was recently considering a project which required to update my K2 with what 
is perhaps the last possible option — the K60XV.

However, I was not able to find this product on the re-vamped Elecraft site. I 
did, however, find the newer K2 back panel that supports the jacks for the 
K60XV.

Did Elecraft discontinue this kit? Or can it still be special ordered?

I know there were some complications with firmware revisions in ordering the 
K60XV. My K2 is mostly up to date - I only need the firmware update for the 
KPA100, I think.

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[Elecraft] [K2] K60XV - No longer available?

[Bill Coleman]

I was recently considering a project which required to update my K2 with what 
is perhaps the last possible option — the K60XV.

However, I was not able to find this product on the re-vamped Elecraft site. I 
did, however, find the newer K2 back panel that supports the jacks for the 
K60XV.

Did Elecraft discontinue this kit? Or can it still be special ordered?

I know there were some complications with firmware revisions in ordering the 
K60XV. My K2 is mostly up to date - I only need the firmware update for the 
KPA100, I think.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: aa...@arrl.net
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