Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Phil Kane]

On 2/3/2021 9:44 AM, Eric Garner wrote:


isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them?


Some 50-60 years ago Henry Radio in California used to "rent" used 
transceivers by requiring a deposit of full sale price, which would be 
refunded less a nominal charge when the gear was returned in the same 
shape as when rented.  I took advantage of that several times.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Eric Swartz]

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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:

>
> Your numbers are entirely unrealistic for for a $4000 transceiver.
>
> The discount for a "used" (rental stock) device would need to be
> *at least* 20-25% (typical of "B Stock" in the professional AV
> world).  A two to four week rental would need to be *at least*
> $500, if not more, to cover the overhead, management, repair and
> refurbishment (with every rental) costs of such an endeavor.
>
> Given the constrained availability of the K4, the ability of the
> factory to sell every unit they can ship for the next 18-24 months
> at a minimum, limited repair capacity, and cost or repair parts,
> Elecraft would be losing money with any rental operation.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2021-02-03 3:31 PM, John Harper wrote:
> > Let's throw some numbers in, just for S:
> >
> > I pay $200 for 2 weeks of togetherness with a K4. Another $100 for 2-way
> > shipping.
> >
> > I'm out $300 if I decide not to keep the rig.
> >
> > No one's going to go for this unless they're already thinking seriously
> of
> > buying the thing. If they only like it marginally, they realize they now
> > have a $300 dud to send back or (more likely) they realize that they're
> > already 85 or 90% of the way (financially) toward ownership.
> >
> > And...Elecraft only has 10 K4's slotted for this program. They'll prolly
> > sell 8 or 9 of them and can continue to rent, or eventually sell as used
> > (at 90% retail) the remaining two. They're ahead either way.
> >
> > To top it off, they benefit from the social media buzz created by those
> 90%
> > who like, decide to keep and rave about the rig online. A few may even
> name
> > their firstborns Wayne and/or Eric. It's a win-win for all involved.
> >
> > Few people who use/own one are dissatisfied with an E rig. This would
> > potentially increase the number of people within that pool.
> >
> > John AE5X
> > https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> >
> >> The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can
> >> no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is
> >> often more than the rental proceeds.
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Your numbers are entirely unrealistic for for a $4000 transceiver.

The discount for a "used" (rental stock) device would need to be
*at least* 20-25% (typical of "B Stock" in the professional AV
world).  A two to four week rental would need to be *at least*
$500, if not more, to cover the overhead, management, repair and
refurbishment (with every rental) costs of such an endeavor.

Given the constrained availability of the K4, the ability of the
factory to sell every unit they can ship for the next 18-24 months
at a minimum, limited repair capacity, and cost or repair parts,
Elecraft would be losing money with any rental operation.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-02-03 3:31 PM, John Harper wrote:

Let's throw some numbers in, just for S:

I pay $200 for 2 weeks of togetherness with a K4. Another $100 for 2-way
shipping.

I'm out $300 if I decide not to keep the rig.

No one's going to go for this unless they're already thinking seriously of
buying the thing. If they only like it marginally, they realize they now
have a $300 dud to send back or (more likely) they realize that they're
already 85 or 90% of the way (financially) toward ownership.

And...Elecraft only has 10 K4's slotted for this program. They'll prolly
sell 8 or 9 of them and can continue to rent, or eventually sell as used
(at 90% retail) the remaining two. They're ahead either way.

To top it off, they benefit from the social media buzz created by those 90%
who like, decide to keep and rave about the rig online. A few may even name
their firstborns Wayne and/or Eric. It's a win-win for all involved.

Few people who use/own one are dissatisfied with an E rig. This would
potentially increase the number of people within that pool.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com


The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can
no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is
often more than the rental proceeds.

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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Dr. William J. Schmidt]

I have some experience on this topic because I rent out my Elecraft
equipment at my contest station in the Caribbean (J68HZ).  I have to treat
it strictly as a business investment. setting the price for rental at what I
would have to expect to replace all of the equipment every 5-10 years
depending upon what it is. and a little more for breakage in between.  Of
course its discounted by my usage as well, but I can tell you it isn't
exactly cheap.  However the program is well thought out and it can be done.
I can't do the remote station thing on St. Lucia because its not permitted
by their version of the FCC rules.

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Bill Frantz]

Sure sounds like the service Remote Ham Radio 
 is already offering with Flex 
equipment. I seem to remember there also a service that offers 
Elecraft equipment.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 2/3/21 at 2:20 PM, ab7e...@gmail.com (David Gilbert) wrote:

I suppose, given the purported remote capability of the K4 
using a free app (as opposed to a piece of dedicated hardware), 
somebody might be willing to offer remote access to a K4 in 
exchange for a modest fee.  In my opinion, if the K4 is as 
remotable as claimed then it should be mostly possible to 
evaluate it that way.   Even then I suspect that Elecraft 
wouldn't want the hassle of offering that ... maybe somebody 
else would.


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[Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[John Harper]

Let's throw some numbers in, just for S:

I pay $200 for 2 weeks of togetherness with a K4. Another $100 for 2-way
shipping.

I'm out $300 if I decide not to keep the rig.

No one's going to go for this unless they're already thinking seriously of
buying the thing. If they only like it marginally, they realize they now
have a $300 dud to send back or (more likely) they realize that they're
already 85 or 90% of the way (financially) toward ownership.

And...Elecraft only has 10 K4's slotted for this program. They'll prolly
sell 8 or 9 of them and can continue to rent, or eventually sell as used
(at 90% retail) the remaining two. They're ahead either way.

To top it off, they benefit from the social media buzz created by those 90%
who like, decide to keep and rave about the rig online. A few may even name
their firstborns Wayne and/or Eric. It's a win-win for all involved.

Few people who use/own one are dissatisfied with an E rig. This would
potentially increase the number of people within that pool.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

>The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can
>no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is
>often more than the rental proceeds.
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Walter Underwood]

Seriously, this was my first thought. Set up a rig rental business that isn’t 
limited to Elecraft.
There is no reason that this has to be an Elecraft operation. A larger business 
might balance
sales profit vs rental profit and self-insure (think car leasing), but that 
isn’t necessary.

This would be like Hertz or Avis. Buy the rigs, rent them. Sell the used ones.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Feb 3, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Edward R Cole  wrote:
> 
> So one of you multi-millionaires might buy a dozen K4 and set up a rental 
> business.  Hmm?
> 
> Rent at month minimum period for 10% of value and have clause to recover any 
> damage.
> 
> They rent cars that way.  Of course they require the renter to have 
> full-coverage insurance.
> 
> So there is another business opportunity, selling insurance on ham radios.
> 
> Yes, of course, I am joking
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Jim Brown]

On 2/3/2021 10:03 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can
no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is
often more than the rental proceeds.


Having worked in selling high value pro audio products, I can confirm 
that Joe is absolutely right. And Elecraft is a small company, has a 
backlog of orders that, thanks to their reputation, the effect of COVID 
on their workers, and their supply chain, they are taking much longer 
than expected to fulfill. Eric and Wayne are smart businessmen. Why 
would they do something that loses money?


73, JimK9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Jim Borowski]

John AE5X, Really, a business model? Think about what you just said?Let me put 
in perspective, I has taken almost 2 years trying to get the K4 out the door. 
It will at least 2 years for them to com up with a business model. ;-) Jim 
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Edward R Cole]

So one of you multi-millionaires might buy a dozen K4 and set up a 
rental business.  Hmm?


Rent at month minimum period for 10% of value and have clause to 
recover any damage.


They rent cars that way.  Of course they require the renter to have 
full-coverage insurance.


So there is another business opportunity, selling insurance on ham radios.

Yes, of course, I am joking

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Alan - G4GNX]

The deposit is usually to cover minor damage when an item is returned. 
It would have to be as high or higher than the cost to buy a new one, or 
the renter could be well out of pocket.


Most would-be renters would be unlikely to want to shell out $400+ as a 
deposit.


73,

Alan. G4GNX


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Sent: 03/02/2021 17:44:43
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?


isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them?

Eric KI7LTT

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Alan - G4GNX  wrote:



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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[David Gilbert]

This makes very little sense to me.  I can't see there being any way 
Elecraft could justify the risk and hassle of renting out their 
equipment.  Ask yourself this ... do you think you could make money 
buying a K4 and then renting it to other random hams you don't know?  
Would you be willing to take that kind of risk?  Think of the time it 
would take on your part to administer it.


I suppose, given the purported remote capability of the K4 using a free 
app (as opposed to a piece of dedicated hardware), somebody might be 
willing to offer remote access to a K4 in exchange for a modest fee.  In 
my opinion, if the K4 is as remotable as claimed then it should be 
mostly possible to evaluate it that way.   Even then I suspect that 
Elecraft wouldn't want the hassle of offering that ... maybe somebody 
else would.


Dave   AB7E



On 2/3/2021 10:20 AM, John Harper wrote:

I wonder if this model would work?

Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like it.
But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.

There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has begun:

What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
weeks?

If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).

If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.

The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a rental
fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?

John AE5X
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[George Thornton]

I think Elecraft has enough on its hands with COVID 19 just getting these rigs 
designed, updated, built and shipped.  

I am not aware that any major manufacturer of HF amateur radio transceivers 
maintains an equipment rental program.

A rental program would be complex to administer.  You would have to deal with 
insurance, shipping concerns and complaints that inevitably are part of such a 
program.  Plus a legal team on hand to deal with problems that result from a 
rental experience gone bad.  The program would have significant staffing 
requirements.   I would think even if they were interested in offering this 
service, they have many more pressing concerns giving COVID 19.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Eric Garner
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:45 AM
To: Elecraft list 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them?

Eric KI7LTT

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Alan - G4GNX  wrote:

> I can't see that working.
>
> When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to 
> layout a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile of 
> junk for their trouble.
>
> It might work in a very small country or if they had a physical 
> presence in all states.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "John Harper" 
> To: "Elecraft list" 
> Sent: 03/02/2021 17:20:47
> Subject: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?
>
> >I wonder if this model would work?
> >
> >Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't 
> >like
> it.
> >But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.
> >
> >There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, 
> >of course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production 
> >has
> begun:
> >
> >What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for 
> >two weeks?
> >
> >If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the 
> >rental fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).
> >
> >If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.
> >
> >The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those 
> >simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a 
> >rental fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?
> >
> >John AE5X
> >https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> >
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Grant Youngman]

Elecraft already has a reasonable return policy.  It’s on the website.  30 days 
and a 10% restock fee (which may be more if you’ve bunged it up), since they’d 
most likely at least have to clean off your fingerprints and lord knows what 
else, refurbish and then resell it at a discount.  And if you’ve run over it 
with a truck, dropped it in a river, or treated it to a dose of hamification, 
you’ll get your junked radio back instead of a refund.  PS — it doesn’t apply 
to kits that have been partially or entirely built.

If you buy one and don’t like it, it should be pretty easy to find potential 
buyers willing to throw money in your direction … 

Grant NQ5T

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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Mark Goldberg]

I can't see this as being a good business model. A company has finite
resources. If they spend time and money on a rental business, they
can't spend time and money on their core business. I'd much rather see
Elecraft build and ship as many K4s as possible than spend time and
money on a rental business. Add to that the possible fraud (rent with
a stolen credit card and abscond with the K4) and the need to fully
check out the unit after rental (people buy things on ebay, claim they
are broken and return a different, damaged item for a refund) they
would have to charge an exorbitant amount to not lose money.

If you really wanted to try one out, you could buy it, use it for a
while and then offer it for sale to someone else. With the K4 in such
demand, you may even be able to get more than list price for a gently
used one that can be purchased today.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:46 AM Eric Garner  wrote:
>
> isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them?
>
> Eric KI7LTT
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Alan - G4GNX  wrote:
>
> > I can't see that working.
> >
> > When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to layout
> > a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile of junk for
> > their trouble.
> >
> > It might work in a very small country or if they had a physical presence
> > in all states.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Alan. G4GNX
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message ------
> > From: "John Harper" 
> > To: "Elecraft list" 
> > Sent: 03/02/2021 17:20:47
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?
> >
> > >I wonder if this model would work?
> > >
> > >Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like
> > it.
> > >But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.
> > >
> > >There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
> > >course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has
> > begun:
> > >
> > >What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
> > >weeks?
> > >
> > >If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
> > >fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).
> > >
> > >If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.
> > >
> > >The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

No, the deposit is typically for damage and/or late charges.
Deposits are generally nowhere near to the replacement cost
of expensive equipment.

The real problem with rental returns ("B Stock") is that is can
no longer be sold as new resulting in a loss of value that is
often more than the rental proceeds.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-02-03 12:44 PM, Eric Garner wrote:

isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them?

Eric KI7LTT

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Alan - G4GNX  wrote:


I can't see that working.

When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to layout
a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile of junk for
their trouble.

It might work in a very small country or if they had a physical presence
in all states.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


-- Original Message --
From: "John Harper" 
To: "Elecraft list" 
Sent: 03/02/2021 17:20:47
Subject: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?


I wonder if this model would work?

Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like

it.

But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.

There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has

begun:


What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
weeks?

If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).

If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.

The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a rental
fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?

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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Henry Pollock - K4TMC]

John,

I like the idea!  It would be great to rent a K4 for a few weeks to see if
I want to replace my trusty K3+.

Better yet, it would be nice to get a K4 and K4HD at the same time!!

73,
Henry - K4TMC


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:22 PM John Harper  wrote:

> I wonder if this model would work?
>
> Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like it.
> But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.
>
> There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
> course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has begun:
>
> What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
> weeks?
>
> If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
> fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).
>
> If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.
>
> The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
> simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a rental
> fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Eric Garner]

isn't that why most expensive things require a deposit to rent them?

Eric KI7LTT

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Alan - G4GNX  wrote:

> I can't see that working.
>
> When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to layout
> a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile of junk for
> their trouble.
>
> It might work in a very small country or if they had a physical presence
> in all states.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "John Harper" 
> To: "Elecraft list" 
> Sent: 03/02/2021 17:20:47
> Subject: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?
>
> >I wonder if this model would work?
> >
> >Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like
> it.
> >But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.
> >
> >There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
> >course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has
> begun:
> >
> >What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
> >weeks?
> >
> >If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
> >fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).
> >
> >If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.
> >
> >The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
> >simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a rental
> >fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?
> >
> >John AE5X
> >https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[Alan - G4GNX]

I can't see that working.

When a renter defaults and does a runner, Elecraft would have to layout 
a lot in recovery fees and maybe even end up with a pile of junk for 
their trouble.


It might work in a very small country or if they had a physical presence 
in all states.


73,

Alan. G4GNX


-- Original Message --
From: "John Harper" 
To: "Elecraft list" 
Sent: 03/02/2021 17:20:47
Subject: [Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?


I wonder if this model would work?

Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like it.
But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.

There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has begun:

What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
weeks?

If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).

If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.

The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a rental
fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com



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[Elecraft] Can I rent a K4?

[John Harper]

I wonder if this model would work?

Flex offers a refund for those who try one of their rigs and don't like it.
But a rental would pose less risk to the manufacturer.

There are (rumored) a small number of K4's in existence - the rest, of
course, are on hold. But regardless...even after full production has begun:

What if, before plunking down 4 kilodollars, I could rent the rig for two
weeks?

If I don't like it, I send it back to Elecraft and I'm only out the rental
fee and the cost to ship (renter pays shipping in both directions).

If I do like it, I keep the rig and pay the balance.

The rental fee would separate the serious potential buyers from those
simply wanting a two-week joyride. The question is, how much of a rental
fee would be acceptable for a company to offer such a business model?

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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