Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[Jim H via Elecraft]

Hi,I hear stations not great but any ant is better than none! I normally use 
the AX1 on the ocean beach or up at Mt. Rainier NP parking lot. I live on the 
3rd floor facing west and have a counterpoise stretched out behind the couch. 
My radio is a KX3 with a PX3 in the apartment while I'm out (pre virus) in the 
field I used a KX2. Much quicker setup and simpler with the KX2. I can be on 
the air in 10-15 min max. Also the noise floor is commonly S0. You can hear 
people @S1 clearly in the field. Really weird! Lots of Fun.  

73Jim Hk7sss
In a message dated 5/13/2020 8:32:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
brianchapn...@rogers.com writes:

And how does the AX1 perform from inside your Apartment? What floor are you on?

Brian VE3GMZ 



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Hi all,
I live in a senior apartment. There is no balcony so my best is the Elecraft 
AX1 with the extra 40 mtr coil right next to the window. No fiddling just 
assemble.Set the dip switch for the band and you are on the air. 10 min max and 
if you change freq retune the ATU.

73Jim Hk7sss
In a message dated 5/13/2020 12:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
kg9hfr...@gmail.com writes:

Hmm not a a permanent situation but I tried for years now to put up a small 
antenna, end fed whip etc when at my condo.  I ended up with an AlexLoop and 
never looked back.  Best contact was on 20 meters, 2,000 miles on 2 watts, SSB 
on 17 meters.

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfr...@gmail.com




> On May 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
>
> Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into 
> a condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful unobstructed 
> view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of dropping a 
> wire from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking of a loop. 
> I've had good luck with them. Any thoughts?
>
> Brian VE3GMZ

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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[brianchapnick]

And how does the AX1 perform from inside your Apartment? What floor are you on?

Brian VE3GMZ 



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Hi all,
I live in a senior apartment. There is no balcony so my best is the Elecraft 
AX1 with the extra 40 mtr coil right next to the window. No fiddling just 
assemble.Set the dip switch for the band and you are on the air. 10 min max and 
if you change freq retune the ATU.

73Jim Hk7sss
In a message dated 5/13/2020 12:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
kg9hfr...@gmail.com writes:

Hmm not a a permanent situation but I tried for years now to put up a small 
antenna, end fed whip etc when at my condo.  I ended up with an AlexLoop and 
never looked back.  Best contact was on 20 meters, 2,000 miles on 2 watts, SSB 
on 17 meters.

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfr...@gmail.com




> On May 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
>
> Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into 
> a condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful unobstructed 
> view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of dropping a 
> wire from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking of a loop. 
> I've had good luck with them. Any thoughts?
>
> Brian VE3GMZ

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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[Edward R Cole]

Look at my website for example of KX3 plus KXPA100 installed in an RV 
(4wd truck, in my case, which tows a 5th wheel):

http://www.kl7uw.com/Mobile.htm

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[Elecraft] Establishing A New Station...

[Andy Durbin]

"Just looked up “AlexLoop” - amazing presentation and price."

More fun to build your own.  I work into Asia most mornings on 30 m with mine.  
Tuning is not a major problem as the loop capacitor is driven by a geared DC 
motor via a pair of bias T.  Only a single coax connects the loop to my station.

Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station..

[Walter Underwood]

Mag loops need retuned when you move a few kHz. If most of your operating is 
parking in a CW or digital sub-band and working that, a map loop should be 
great. Probably not quite as much fun for search and pounce.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On May 13, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> My thoughts on using a loop - none whatsoever.  Will have to see what that 
> piece of equipment might be. (Been away from HF since the mid seventies.)
> 
> Your apt will be twice as high as my apt and maybe get twice as much wind, 
> mine experiences plenty.  I live on a corner of a building on the peripheral 
> of the downtown tall building area. One 30’ glass panel wall faces south and 
> the other faces west with a three foot square column at the apex.  Our view 
> is southwest looking miles up the Trinity River.
> 
> My first thought was to put a horizontal “V” wire antenna with the ends 
> drooping to get the correct length for operation on 40 meters. Maybe some 
> sort of Loop antenna would be better, will have to think about this.  Thank 
> you, Tommy
> 
>> On May 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
>> 
>> Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into 
>> a condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful 
>> unobstructed view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of 
>> dropping a wire from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking 
>> of a loop. I've had good luck with them. Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Brian VE3GMZ 
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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station...

[Tommy Judson via Elecraft]

Just looked up “AlexLoop” - amazing presentation and price.  Thank you, Tommy

> On May 13, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Frank Krozel  wrote:
> 
> Hmm not a a permanent situation but I tried for years now to put up a small 
> antenna, end fed whip etc when at my condo.  I ended up with an AlexLoop and 
> never looked back.  Best contact was on 20 meters, 2,000 miles on 2 watts, 
> SSB on 17 meters.
> 
> -73-  FrankKG9H
> kg9hfr...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station..

[Tommy Judson via Elecraft]

My thoughts on using a loop - none whatsoever.  Will have to see what that 
piece of equipment might be. (Been away from HF since the mid seventies.)

Your apt will be twice as high as my apt and maybe get twice as much wind, mine 
experiences plenty.  I live on a corner of a building on the peripheral of the 
downtown tall building area. One 30’ glass panel wall faces south and the other 
faces west with a three foot square column at the apex.  Our view is southwest 
looking miles up the Trinity River.

My first thought was to put a horizontal “V” wire antenna with the ends 
drooping to get the correct length for operation on 40 meters. Maybe some sort 
of Loop antenna would be better, will have to think about this.  Thank you, 
Tommy

> On May 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
> 
> Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into 
> a condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful unobstructed 
> view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of dropping a 
> wire from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking of a loop. 
> I've had good luck with them. Any thoughts?
> 
> Brian VE3GMZ 

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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[Jim H via Elecraft]

Hi all,
I live in a senior apartment. There is no balcony so my best is the Elecraft 
AX1 with the extra 40 mtr coil right next to the window. No fiddling just 
assemble.Set the dip switch for the band and you are on the air. 10 min max and 
if you change freq retune the ATU.

73Jim Hk7sss
In a message dated 5/13/2020 12:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
kg9hfr...@gmail.com writes:

Hmm not a a permanent situation but I tried for years now to put up a small 
antenna, end fed whip etc when at my condo.  I ended up with an AlexLoop and 
never looked back.  Best contact was on 20 meters, 2,000 miles on 2 watts, SSB 
on 17 meters.

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfr...@gmail.com




> On May 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
> 
> Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into 
> a condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful unobstructed 
> view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of dropping a 
> wire from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking of a loop. 
> I've had good luck with them. Any thoughts?
> 
> Brian VE3GMZ

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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[Frank Krozel]

Hmm not a a permanent situation but I tried for years now to put up a small 
antenna, end fed whip etc when at my condo.  I ended up with an AlexLoop and 
never looked back.  Best contact was on 20 meters, 2,000 miles on 2 watts, SSB 
on 17 meters.

-73-  FrankKG9H
kg9hfr...@gmail.com




> On May 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote:
> 
> Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into 
> a condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful unobstructed 
> view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of dropping a 
> wire from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking of a loop. 
> I've had good luck with them. Any thoughts?
> 
> Brian VE3GMZ 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>   Original Message  
> 
> 
> From: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: May 13, 2020 9:33 a.m.
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Reply to: tso...@icloud.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station
> 
> 
> Good Morning Don,
> 
>> Tommy,
>> 
>> The KX2, KX3, and K3 are all fine radios for CW - and data modes and SSB
>> as well.
>> 
>> Do you want 100 watts - then choose the K3 (or K3S).  You can also add
>> the P3 for a panadapter display.
> I would, at some time, like to add the panadapter display.
>> 
>> Do you want something small that you can tote in a backpack, then the
>> KX2 is the obvious choice.  You can use it at home with the KXPA100 for
>> a 100 watt home station.
>> 
>> Do you want something that is small enough for 'picnic table portable’,
> Yes, I need something that is picnic table portable.  There is absolutely no 
> room to set up a station in this RV.
>> 
>> but has more buttons and up-front controls than the KX2, then choose the
>> KX3.  It also can serve as a 100 watt home station with the addition of
>> the KXPA100 and can also be used with the PX3 for a panadapter display.
>> 
>> If you are planning portable work, the internal tuner is a must.
> Yes, the tuner is a must. 
> I ordered a fiberglass mast and enough parts to assemble a 40meter inverted V 
> and will place a permanent mount in the ground to support this configuration. 
>  I plan on being able to set-up/take down the pole/antenna easily whenever I 
> want to get on the air.  Of course it’ll stay up most all the time when I’m 
> in residence here.
>> At the home station, if you do not have resonant antennas,
> I used to enjoy tuning antennas to a fairly specific frequency so will try to 
> do that with this one too.
>> then you
>> should have the internal tuner in the K3/K3S or the KXPA100.
>> 
>> Those are the basics that I can convey, the choice is yours to make
>> depending on your station aspirations.
>> Try not to base your decision on price alone
> That is good advice - I went to our credit union and after figuring out the 
> cost of a complete station took out a share backed loan to get the best 
> interest and be a forced saving account of sorts because of paying it off.  
> Most always do this when making outlandish purchases.
>> - decide what you want and
>> then proceed from there.
>> 
>> I have the K3 with the P3. KX3 with the PX3 and KXPA100 as well as the
>> KX2.  So I can say that they are all good, but for the home station, I
>> usually go with the K3 with the KX3/PX3 and KXPA100 (with KXAT100) as an
>> alternate.  The KX2 is reserved for portable operation, and I use it
>> rarely since I no longer go on hiking ventures.
> The KX2 is the logical choice in this situation mostly because when back in 
> my home in the 17th floor apartment in a 400 person retirement facility I’m 
> not sure I will be able to operate.  If I do it will be most likely be with 
> an end weighted wire suspended off a balcony - it’s a hundred feet or so to 
> the ground.  So my permanent home will be the portable place and this country 
> RV will be the more permanent place - especially until this coronavirus 
> epidemic is better controlled.
> That virus delights in getting into large facilities housing the older more 
> infirm population.  There is only one case there AT THIS TIME.  I read where 
> similar facilities have a large percentage of the in house population testing 
> positive.
> Anyway, so much for the logical choice, maybe having more buttons and knobs 
> to fiddle with would add to the fun…
> 
> 73, Tommy
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[brianchapnick]

Your mention of apartment living perked my interest as I will be moving into a 
condo on the 34th floor in a few months. I'll have a beautiful unobstructed 
view. An antenna has been on my mind. I don't like the idea of dropping a wire 
from the balcony. The wind could cause trouble. Im thinking of a loop. I've had 
good luck with them. Any thoughts?

Brian VE3GMZ 



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Subject: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station


Good Morning Don,

> Tommy,
>
> The KX2, KX3, and K3 are all fine radios for CW - and data modes and SSB
> as well.
>
> Do you want 100 watts - then choose the K3 (or K3S).  You can also add
> the P3 for a panadapter display.
I would, at some time, like to add the panadapter display.
>
> Do you want something small that you can tote in a backpack, then the
> KX2 is the obvious choice.  You can use it at home with the KXPA100 for
> a 100 watt home station.
>
> Do you want something that is small enough for 'picnic table portable’,
Yes, I need something that is picnic table portable.  There is absolutely no 
room to set up a station in this RV.
>
> but has more buttons and up-front controls than the KX2, then choose the
> KX3.  It also can serve as a 100 watt home station with the addition of
> the KXPA100 and can also be used with the PX3 for a panadapter display.
>
> If you are planning portable work, the internal tuner is a must.
Yes, the tuner is a must. 
I ordered a fiberglass mast and enough parts to assemble a 40meter inverted V 
and will place a permanent mount in the ground to support this configuration.  
I plan on being able to set-up/take down the pole/antenna easily whenever I 
want to get on the air.  Of course it’ll stay up most all the time when I’m in 
residence here.
> At the home station, if you do not have resonant antennas,
I used to enjoy tuning antennas to a fairly specific frequency so will try to 
do that with this one too.
> then you
> should have the internal tuner in the K3/K3S or the KXPA100.
>
> Those are the basics that I can convey, the choice is yours to make
> depending on your station aspirations.
> Try not to base your decision on price alone
That is good advice - I went to our credit union and after figuring out the 
cost of a complete station took out a share backed loan to get the best 
interest and be a forced saving account of sorts because of paying it off.  
Most always do this when making outlandish purchases.
> - decide what you want and
> then proceed from there.
>
> I have the K3 with the P3. KX3 with the PX3 and KXPA100 as well as the
> KX2.  So I can say that they are all good, but for the home station, I
> usually go with the K3 with the KX3/PX3 and KXPA100 (with KXAT100) as an
> alternate.  The KX2 is reserved for portable operation, and I use it
> rarely since I no longer go on hiking ventures.
The KX2 is the logical choice in this situation mostly because when back in my 
home in the 17th floor apartment in a 400 person retirement facility I’m not 
sure I will be able to operate.  If I do it will be most likely be with an end 
weighted wire suspended off a balcony - it’s a hundred feet or so to the 
ground.  So my permanent home will be the portable place and this country RV 
will be the more permanent place - especially until this coronavirus epidemic 
is better controlled.
That virus delights in getting into large facilities housing the older more 
infirm population.  There is only one case there AT THIS TIME.  I read where 
similar facilities have a large percentage of the in house population testing 
positive.
Anyway, so much for the logical choice, maybe having more buttons and knobs to 
fiddle with would add to the fun…

73, Tommy
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 193, Issue 22
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Re: [Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[Don Wilhelm]

Tommy,

Since you want to add a panadapter later, you will need the KX3 rather 
than the KX2.  There is no provision for a panadapter with the KX2.


In your RV, the KXPA100/KAT100 can hide away somewhere away from your 
operating position - it does need a place where there is air 
circulation, it is cooled by the large finned heatsink and no fans.  You 
will need extensions for the KX3 to KXPA100 cables.  The separation with 
the stock cables is limited to about 18 inches.


You will need a power supply - the SS30DV sold by Elecraft is quite 
capable for a 100 watt station.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/13/2020 9:30 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:

Good Morning Don,


Tommy,

The KX2, KX3, and K3 are all fine radios for CW - and data modes and SSB
as well.

Do you want 100 watts - then choose the K3 (or K3S).  You can also add
the P3 for a panadapter display.

I would, at some time, like to add the panadapter display.


Do you want something small that you can tote in a backpack, then the
KX2 is the obvious choice.  You can use it at home with the KXPA100 for
a 100 watt home station.

Do you want something that is small enough for 'picnic table portable’,

Yes, I need something that is picnic table portable.  There is absolutely no 
room to set up a station in this RV.


but has more buttons and up-front controls than the KX2, then choose the
KX3.  It also can serve as a 100 watt home station with the addition of
the KXPA100 and can also be used with the PX3 for a panadapter display.

If you are planning portable work, the internal tuner is a must.

Yes, the tuner is a must.
I ordered a fiberglass mast and enough parts to assemble a 40meter inverted V 
and will place a permanent mount in the ground to support this configuration.  
I plan on being able to set-up/take down the pole/antenna easily whenever I 
want to get on the air.  Of course it’ll stay up most all the time when I’m in 
residence here.

At the home station, if you do not have resonant antennas,

I used to enjoy tuning antennas to a fairly specific frequency so will try to 
do that with this one too.

then you
should have the internal tuner in the K3/K3S or the KXPA100.

Those are the basics that I can convey, the choice is yours to make
depending on your station aspirations.
Try not to base your decision on price alone

That is good advice - I went to our credit union and after figuring out the 
cost of a complete station took out a share backed loan to get the best 
interest and be a forced saving account of sorts because of paying it off.  
Most always do this when making outlandish purchases.

- decide what you want and
then proceed from there.

I have the K3 with the P3. KX3 with the PX3 and KXPA100 as well as the
KX2.  So I can say that they are all good, but for the home station, I
usually go with the K3 with the KX3/PX3 and KXPA100 (with KXAT100) as an
alternate.  The KX2 is reserved for portable operation, and I use it
rarely since I no longer go on hiking ventures.

The KX2 is the logical choice in this situation mostly because when back in my 
home in the 17th floor apartment in a 400 person retirement facility I’m not 
sure I will be able to operate.  If I do it will be most likely be with an end 
weighted wire suspended off a balcony - it’s a hundred feet or so to the 
ground.  So my permanent home will be the portable place and this country RV 
will be the more permanent place - especially until this coronavirus epidemic 
is better controlled.
That virus delights in getting into large facilities housing the older more 
infirm population.  There is only one case there AT THIS TIME.  I read where 
similar facilities have a large percentage of the in house population testing 
positive.
Anyway, so much for the logical choice, maybe having more buttons and knobs to 
fiddle with would add to the fun…

73, Tommy


73,
Don W3FPR

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[Elecraft] Establishing A New Station

[Tommy Judson via Elecraft]

Good Morning Don,

> Tommy,
> 
> The KX2, KX3, and K3 are all fine radios for CW - and data modes and SSB 
> as well.
> 
> Do you want 100 watts - then choose the K3 (or K3S).  You can also add 
> the P3 for a panadapter display.
I would, at some time, like to add the panadapter display.
> 
> Do you want something small that you can tote in a backpack, then the 
> KX2 is the obvious choice.  You can use it at home with the KXPA100 for 
> a 100 watt home station.
> 
> Do you want something that is small enough for 'picnic table portable’,
Yes, I need something that is picnic table portable.  There is absolutely no 
room to set up a station in this RV.
> 
> but has more buttons and up-front controls than the KX2, then choose the 
> KX3.  It also can serve as a 100 watt home station with the addition of 
> the KXPA100 and can also be used with the PX3 for a panadapter display.
> 
> If you are planning portable work, the internal tuner is a must.
Yes, the tuner is a must.  
I ordered a fiberglass mast and enough parts to assemble a 40meter inverted V 
and will place a permanent mount in the ground to support this configuration.  
I plan on being able to set-up/take down the pole/antenna easily whenever I 
want to get on the air.  Of course it’ll stay up most all the time when I’m in 
residence here.
> At the home station, if you do not have resonant antennas,
I used to enjoy tuning antennas to a fairly specific frequency so will try to 
do that with this one too.
> then you 
> should have the internal tuner in the K3/K3S or the KXPA100.
> 
> Those are the basics that I can convey, the choice is yours to make 
> depending on your station aspirations.
> Try not to base your decision on price alone
That is good advice - I went to our credit union and after figuring out the 
cost of a complete station took out a share backed loan to get the best 
interest and be a forced saving account of sorts because of paying it off.  
Most always do this when making outlandish purchases.
> - decide what you want and 
> then proceed from there.
> 
> I have the K3 with the P3. KX3 with the PX3 and KXPA100 as well as the 
> KX2.  So I can say that they are all good, but for the home station, I 
> usually go with the K3 with the KX3/PX3 and KXPA100 (with KXAT100) as an 
> alternate.  The KX2 is reserved for portable operation, and I use it 
> rarely since I no longer go on hiking ventures.
The KX2 is the logical choice in this situation mostly because when back in my 
home in the 17th floor apartment in a 400 person retirement facility I’m not 
sure I will be able to operate.  If I do it will be most likely be with an end 
weighted wire suspended off a balcony - it’s a hundred feet or so to the 
ground.  So my permanent home will be the portable place and this country RV 
will be the more permanent place - especially until this coronavirus epidemic 
is better controlled.
That virus delights in getting into large facilities housing the older more 
infirm population.  There is only one case there AT THIS TIME.  I read where 
similar facilities have a large percentage of the in house population testing 
positive.
Anyway, so much for the logical choice, maybe having more buttons and knobs to 
fiddle with would add to the fun…

73, Tommy
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 193, Issue 22
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