Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

He's also a helluva nice guy.

He often helps out on the "pre-net" for the Sunday
Collins Collectors Assn 14.263 net at 2000Z.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
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Behalf Of Gary K9GS
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:34 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements -
just a little OT

W9EVT attended the W9DXCC convention in Chicago
this past weekend.



On 9/16/2015 10:10 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> This discussion of shack and desk arrangements
inspired me to look further
> into it . . .   Well, not too much further.  I
simply went to Google
> Images and entered ³Amateur Radio Stations.²
Some Elecraft-centered 
> setups appeared, as one might imagine.  But
here¹s one that just blew 
> me
> away:


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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Mike Flowers]

I started with an old smaller pine kitchen table about 2 feet from the back
wall of the shack.  I walk behind it to do cabling, etc.

On this I built a 3-level riser out of unpainted 5/8" exterior grade plywood
- maybe $40 into the whole thing including cuts at the lumber yard.
Elmer's carpenter's glue and deck screws hold it together.

A 1-1/4" spade bit or a 4" hole saw make routing lines easy.

Not even in the same league with some of the cabinetmaker's masterpieces
I've seen in some shacks, but it's functional.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC 

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bill
NY9H
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

for shelving , spend a bit more for this one time event...
use multi-ply  'baltic birch" plywood,,,7 or 9 ply...

they have it at  home depot /lowes type stores, but a visit to the rockler
woodworking store was great, as they had some 9 ply on sale .,..

why balticbirch :
http://www.woodworkerssource.com/6_plywood.html

My elecraft / ICOM ACOM shack  in a cabinetNY9H  at QRZ.com

bill ny9h

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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

For something called "wireless" there sure are a lot of wires.

On 9/17/2015 7:56 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:

Depending on the desk top, the routing of the cables can be a mess.  I put a 
false back and dressed the cable through slots and the mess was behind the 
panel.


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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[bill NY9H]

for shelving , spend a bit more for this one time event...
use multi-ply  'baltic birch" plywood,,,7 or 9 ply...

they have it at  home depot /lowes type stores, but a visit to the 
rockler woodworking store was great,

as they had some 9 ply on sale .,..

why balticbirch :
http://www.woodworkerssource.com/6_plywood.html

My elecraft / ICOM ACOM shack  in a cabinetNY9H  at QRZ.com

bill ny9h

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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[G4GNX - Alan]

I am about to do the same, as soon as I've finished building the staircase 
to my attic conversion ham shack.


At present I have a bare room with a lot of scope and I intend to have an 
operating position on one side and a small construction/repair bench on the 
other.


I was discussing this with a friend and he suggested that to take cables 
away from the equipment, I could screw a length of industrial cable trunking 
to the stud wall and butt the operating "desk" to it. To make it more 
pretty, I could mount a wooden lid on it and cut holes in that whenever a 
cable is added.


I thought about the idea of building a hutch for the K3 and came up with the 
idea of a top shelf with movable partitions so that I can add to the K-Line 
as needed.


For the cables that will end up outside, I've purchased a 2 inch fitting 
that's used to make a connection with a fish pond. It comes in two pieces 
which will clamp either side of the eaves/soffit board and will have a butyl 
rubber membrane across the entry to prevent the wind from blowing in. From 
there to a 45 degree 2 inch adaptor and a 2 inch tube (all ABS) so that 
cables will pass easily from either end.


Actual layout of the operating area still to be decided, but at least I have 
a clean slate.


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Milam, N9KY

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:15 PM
To: bruce
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?




--
Chuck Milam, N9KY
n...@arrl.net

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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Phil Hystad]

Woodworking is my number one hobby (except for the coldest winter months).  Ham 
radio is second to woodworking and my work is primarily furniture using 
hand-joinery (mortise & tenon, dovetails, etc.) and all hardwoods (favorites 
are Padauk and Maple).

Yet, for my shack combined den/office, I bought two tables from IKEA.  They 
have a blond maple like plastic laminate surface measuring 36 inches deep 
(which is special order when I bought these) and 64 inches long.  They have a 
gray metal stand with adjustable height legs.  For the shelving, I used 16 inch 
wide melamine type shelving from Home Depot (3/4 inches thick).  

I have two IKEA tables, one is used for ham radio desk and the other right next 
to it is my iMac computer work station.  The photo at the URL below is of the 
ham radio desk portion showing the table and the melamine shelves.  Note that 
this photo is several years old, I think it dates just after I added the P3 but 
does not show re-arrangement and changes because of adding the KAT500 and 
KPA500 to the mix.

http://k7peh.us/hamradio/k7peh_1.jpg


73, phil, K7PEH



> On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, bill NY9H  wrote:
> 
> for shelving , spend a bit more for this one time event...
> use multi-ply  'baltic birch" plywood,,,7 or 9 ply...
> 
> they have it at  home depot /lowes type stores, but a visit to the rockler 
> woodworking store was great,
> as they had some 9 ply on sale .,..
> 
> why balticbirch :
> http://www.woodworkerssource.com/6_plywood.html
> 
> My elecraft / ICOM ACOM shack  in a cabinetNY9H  at QRZ.com
> 
> bill ny9h
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Don Wilhelm]

Mel,

Your determination of the required shelf length sounds quite reasonable.
If you are working with plywood, a normal maximum length for a bookcase 
shelf of 3/4 plywood is 32 inches without interim supports.
If the shelf is going to be longer than that, or you will have 
substantial weight on the shelf, glue 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 inch high edging 
strips of 3/4 inch thick solid wood to the front and back to conceal the 
plywood edges.


To keep the shelf assembly from racking, rabbet the back of the assembly 
and fasten in a 1/4 inch plywood back - then cut large slots (at least 3 
inches wide leaving 2 1/2 inches of material at the ends and under the 
top) in that back panel to provide adequate ventilation and space to 
pass cables through.


I have had considerable woodworking experience both as a hobby with 10 
years running a small custom woodworking shop and doing specialty 
designs for customers.  Make it look like furniture - go to a shop that 
deals in hardwoods and buy quality materials.  If you buy at a DIY 
store, check the materials carefully to be certain sheet goods are flat 
and the solid materials are not warped.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/17/2015 10:56 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:

Depending on the desk top, the routing of the cables can be a mess.  I put a 
false back and dressed the cable through slots and the mess was behind the 
panel.  A thought.
Mel,, K6KBE

   From: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" <n...@arrl.net>
  To: bruce <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm

about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.


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[Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[P.J.Hicks]

Also don't forget to add a bit over 1/2" for each piece of equipment to allow 
for the handles or remove them. 

  

PJH, N7PXY 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[G4GNX - Alan]

Me too Don. I am fortunate enough to have a fully equipped woodworking shop 
at home.


I don't think that Home Depot, Lowes and the like are any different to the 
"pile it high, sell it (not so) cheap" DIY stores we have in the UK. Even 
some of our trade building suppliers are a bit suspect and you really do 
have to carefully select your lumber and have a keen eye. :-)


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Don Wilhelm

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:17 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

...I have had considerable woodworking 
experience both as a hobby with 10

years running a small custom woodworking shop and doing specialty
designs for customers.  Make it look like furniture - go to a shop that
deals in hardwoods and buy quality materials.  If you buy at a DIY
store, check the materials carefully to be certain sheet goods are flat
and the solid materials are not warped.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Chuck Milam, N9KY]

I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?




-- 
Chuck Milam, N9KY
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Chip Stratton]

He has always welcomed hams who come to visit on his little island and
offers to let them use almost any of his incredible collection of installed
ham gear.

I haven't taken advantage of this myself, but have communicated with him by
email. He has a B, but also suggested to me that I could come and just
camp nearby to save money - but could still use his ham gear.

Very generous and nice man.

Chip
AE5KA

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:

> He's also a helluva nice guy.
>
> He often helps out on the "pre-net" for the Sunday
> Collins Collectors Assn 14.263 net at 2000Z.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On
> Behalf Of Gary K9GS
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:34 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements -
> just a little OT
>
> W9EVT attended the W9DXCC convention in Chicago
> this past weekend.
>
>
>
> On 9/16/2015 10:10 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> > This discussion of shack and desk arrangements
> inspired me to look further
> > into it . . .   Well, not too much further.  I
> simply went to Google
> > Images and entered ³Amateur Radio Stations.²
> Some Elecraft-centered
> > setups appeared, as one might imagine.  But
> here¹s one that just blew
> > me
> > away:
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

Depending on the desk top, the routing of the cables can be a mess.  I put a 
false back and dressed the cable through slots and the mess was behind the 
panel.  A thought.
Mel,, K6KBE

  From: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" <n...@arrl.net>
 To: bruce <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT
   
I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?




-- 
Chuck Milam, N9KY
n...@arrl.net
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft]

>>> am I missing something obvious? <<< 
YES! The "K" Line !   :-D
73 Milverton / W9MMS.


  From: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" <n...@arrl.net>
 To: bruce <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT
   
I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?




-- 
Chuck Milam, N9KY
n...@arrl.net


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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Bob]

I've enjoyed it too.My woodworking skills are at best poor and more likely 
nonexistent so cabinetry is out of the question.


What I did years ago and has worked out very well was some standard shelving 
from Lowe'a or HD.  Vertical risers screwed into the studding and 18 inch deep 
brackets mounted on them.   Finished the shelves to match the desk top and done.


I've been thru a couple of redo's over the years.  The last when the high SB220 
was replaced by the KPA 500 and KAT500.  Very flexible arrangements.  Desk can 
be pulled out from underneath if cables are an extra few feet long.  Besides we 
all have to plan for when the K4 comes out with the large built in display and  
is 2 inches higher.


No pictures online but if anyone has interest I'll send JPEG's on request.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 9/17/2015 10:15 AM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote:

I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?






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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Using dimension lumber meaning 1 x 12 and 2 x 2 as such, for the shelves 
use 1 x 12.  Then using a length of 2 x 2, rabbit a 3/4" x 3/4" edge.  
This edge or notch will fit nicely under the front and back edge of the 
shelf material.  I gives a finished look and added structural support 
and is easy to attach.   I do suggest using Titebond II as a glue 
between all joints.   Then face frame with 3/4 x 1 1/2 finished 
material.  I made mine from solid cherry I had available in the shop.   
Then stained with a natural stain and finished with two coats of a 
semigloss urethane finish.


I always allow 1" between pieces of equipment unless there is provision 
on the equipment for side ventilation.  If so, a minimum of 2" is a good 
choice.  Same for the back, allow 2" minimum for ventilation and cables 
and connectors.  Vertically again 1" from the equipment to the underside 
of the upper shelf.


73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 9/17/2015 9:15 AM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote:

I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?







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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Edward R Cole]

I used standard peg board:  http://www.kl7uw.com/Backside_Station.jpg

One can loop tywraps thru the holes to tie down wiring.  Helps to 
have really long arms, though! 


73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Mel Farrer via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
To: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" <n...@arrl.net>, bruce
<elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT
Message-ID:
<1966255439.999039.1442501769355.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Depending on the desk top, the routing of the cables can be a mess.? 
I put a false back and dressed the cable through slots and the mess 
was behind the panel.? A thought.

Mel,, K6KBE



73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Merv Schweigert]

I have always had the problem of new or added gear fitting the "hutch" 
space,

it was either to wide etc
In my last desk top "hutch" I solved that problem,  I made the 
horizontal shelves
full width of the desk top,  but the vertical supports or dividers I 
made loose or
adjustable,  I can slide the vertical supports anyplace along the 
shelves,  that
way new or different size gear can be accommodated with no revision to 
the desk.
Get a new radio and need another inch space?  bump the vertical support 
over
an inch.   I used 3/4 inch shelf board for both the shelves and 
divider/supports,

the end supports of course are fixed and screwed and glued.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6


I've really enjoyed the conversation about shack and desktop setups, as I'm
about to get into the garage, get behind the saw, and build a desktop
equipment shelf.

I've been talked out of building vertical supports, thanks to this
list.  So now I'm trying to future-proof my design. Eventually, I'd hope to
have a complete K-Line. So, I'm thinking I'd just add up the front panel
widths of all the K-Line components and perhaps add an inch or two. Does
this sound reasonable or am I missing something obvious?






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[Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Dauer, Edward]

This discussion of shack and desk arrangements inspired me to look further
into it . . .   Well, not too much further.  I simply went to Google
Images and entered ³Amateur Radio Stations.²  Some Elecraft-centered
setups appeared, as one might imagine.  But here¹s one that just blew me
away:  
https://stationproject.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/george-w9evts-shack.jpg.
  There is even more on the W9EVT QRZ.com entry, and its links.  Note,
however, how much woodworking would have to be done to fit in one more
speaker.

I have heard it said that He Who Dies With the Most Toys Wins.  So far as
I can tell George is still active and well, and may that long be so.  But
would this be the pole position contender?

Ted, KN1CBR


>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:41:26 -0400
>From: Mike Reublin NF4L 
>To: Jim Brown 
>Cc: Elecraft List 
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Station setup
>Message-ID: <335568ea-71c7-4be8-aad5-3a99186a3...@comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Unless there's a real space issue, forego the wheels ans just put the
>desk a couple of feet from the wall. KISS
>8-{o}.
>
>73, Mike NF4L
>
>
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Jim Brown 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed,9/16/2015 7:50 AM, Dennis wrote:
>>> This desk will go in a room corner tight against the walls with a
>>>window to the left of this location.
>> 
>> Make sure that it moves, so that you can get behind it to hook up gear.
>>If you can't get behind it, hookups are a PITA, and wiring can quickly
>>become a mess. It also makes it difficult to reconfigure your station.
>>Ask me how I know. :)
>> 
>> Also make sure that you have easy cable paths between levels, and
>>between the desk and antenna entry, and for power.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Shack Arrangements - just a little OT

[Gary K9GS]

W9EVT attended the W9DXCC convention in Chicago this past weekend.



On 9/16/2015 10:10 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

This discussion of shack and desk arrangements inspired me to look further
into it . . .   Well, not too much further.  I simply went to Google
Images and entered ³Amateur Radio Stations.²  Some Elecraft-centered
setups appeared, as one might imagine.  But here¹s one that just blew me
away:
https://stationproject.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/george-w9evts-shack.jpg.
   There is even more on the W9EVT QRZ.com entry, and its links.  Note,
however, how much woodworking would have to be done to fit in one more
speaker.

I have heard it said that He Who Dies With the Most Toys Wins.  So far as
I can tell George is still active and well, and may that long be so.  But
would this be the pole position contender?

Ted, KN1CBR



Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:41:26 -0400
From: Mike Reublin NF4L 
To: Jim Brown 
Cc: Elecraft List 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Station setup
Message-ID: <335568ea-71c7-4be8-aad5-3a99186a3...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Unless there's a real space issue, forego the wheels ans just put the
desk a couple of feet from the wall. KISS
8-{o}.

73, Mike NF4L



On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Jim Brown 
wrote:

On Wed,9/16/2015 7:50 AM, Dennis wrote:

This desk will go in a room corner tight against the walls with a
window to the left of this location.

Make sure that it moves, so that you can get behind it to hook up gear.
If you can't get behind it, hookups are a PITA, and wiring can quickly
become a mess. It also makes it difficult to reconfigure your station.
Ask me how I know. :)

Also make sure that you have easy cable paths between levels, and
between the desk and antenna entry, and for power.

73, Jim K9YC

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73,

Gary K9GS

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Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
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