Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital
I have also been disappointed with the internal sound card in the K3S as compared to just using the internal sound card in my Lenovo laptop with my original K3. There is natural interaction between the K3S level (mic) control and the sound card level but it's a hair triggered operation to get the ALC set and regrettably the VOX and Anti-VOX gains are along for the ride. Get the latter set for RTTY and they can be off on SSB because the "experts" think that the VOX takeoff point should be after the mic gain control. (If you surmise that I disagree with this, you are correct.) Wes N7WS On 3/20/2017 7:57 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: Thanks for the particularly timely reply, Don. I spent the past weekend trying to get my K3S set up for RTTY with MMTTY. My old K3 (474) worked just fine for years. Using Data A, AFSK, 45 baud, I can cleanly copy RTTY and Transmit via VOX, but, for the life of me, I cannot get the ALC set to "4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing". I can get it to set to 3 bars solid or 5 bars solid but nothing in between, no matter how sensitive I try to be. Seems I recall someone else with this exact issue on her a few weeks ago. I have spent this morning trying to find that post as I'm pretty sure his problem was solved. I am setting the ALC via the Mic (Line) Gain. I checked that Data A had reduced Compression to ZERO and TX EQ flat. Any suggestions? 73, Terry W0FM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Help Setting Up Digital
I’d walk a mile for a K4.
Outstanding. And they are IMDl.
Ted, KN1CBR
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Why would you think that?
Did it taste good like RTTY should?
And I'll bet there wasn't a cough in a carrier either.
If I REALLY date myself, did the "green go to war"? (with QRM ??)
73, Charlie k3ICH
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Hmm, why does this make me think of an old cigarette advertisement?
Bob,N7XY
On 3/19/17 1:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Low Space Means Fine Teletype
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I am sorry if I mislead anyone by my prior response. I initially thought that the poster could not achieve 4 bars or 5 bars on the ALC meter. But after several emails, I realized that he was skipping from 3 bars to 5 bars with slight changes in the LINE IN gain. Normally, I recommend that the soundcard sliders be set to 50 to 75% of full scale, but that is actually soundcard dependent - and may be Mac and Windows dependent as well. Perhaps a better statement is to set the K3S (or K3) LINE IN gain for about mid-scale and then adjust the soundcard sliders to produce the 4 ALC bars with the 5th one flashing. Final fine adjustments can then be made with the K3S LINE IN gain which will have a finer resolution at mid-scale than at extremely low or high settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2017 7:45 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: I had exactly this problem with my K3 and Mac. I reduced the output level from the Mac using the Sound system control panel, which gave me finer control at the K3. If you run Windows or Linux the control will have a different name. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I had exactly this problem with my K3 and Mac. I reduced the output level from the Mac using the Sound system control panel, which gave me finer control at the K3. If you run Windows or Linux the control will have a different name. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/20/17 at 7:57 AM, w...@swbell.net (Terry Schieler) wrote: I can cleanly copy RTTY and Transmit via VOX, but, for the life of me, I cannot get the ALC set to "4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing". I can get it to set to 3 bars solid or 5 bars solid but nothing in between, no matter how sensitive I try to be. --- Bill Frantz| "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Reduce the computer sound level to about 30% and you will gain finer adjustment with K3S Lin In. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Terry Schieler <w...@swbell.net> wrote: > > Don wrote, > > <"3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the > audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter > with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft > transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust > the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something > changes it in the computer."> > > > Thanks for the particularly timely reply, Don. I spent the past weekend > trying to get my K3S set up for RTTY with MMTTY. My old K3 (474) worked just > fine for years. Using Data A, AFSK, 45 baud, I can cleanly copy RTTY and > Transmit via VOX, but, for the life of me, I cannot get the ALC set to "4 > bars solid with the 5th bar flashing". I can get it to set to 3 bars solid > or 5 bars solid but nothing in between, no matter how sensitive I try to be. > Seems I recall someone else with this exact issue on her a few weeks ago. I > have spent this morning trying to find that post as I'm pretty sure his > problem was solved. I am setting the ALC via the Mic (Line) Gain. I checked > that Data A had reduced Compression to ZERO and TX EQ flat. Any suggestions? > > 73, Terry W0FM > > > > -Original Message- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donw...@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:33 PM > To: Don Pomplun; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital > > Don and Ronnie, > > Let me see if I can help by pointing out the differences between the Elecraft > transceivers K3, K3S, KX2 and KX3 and other transceivers in the use of data > modes. > > The following points are directed at soundcard oriented data modes. > > 1) Use DATA A instead of the normally recommended USB. While USB will work, > you normally have the SSB set up for voice, including compression and TX EQ. > The data modes automatically turn compression to zero and turn off TX EQ. > > 2) For RTTY, use AFSK A - that is specifically designed for RTTY and defaults > to LSB which is normal for RTTY. > > 3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the > audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter > with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft > transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust > the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something > changes it in the computer. > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com > Don wrote, > > <"3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the > audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter > with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft > transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust > the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something > changes it in the computer."> > > > Thanks for the particularly timely reply, Don. I spent the past weekend > trying to get my K3S set up for RTTY with MMTTY. My old K3 (474) worked just > fine for years. Using Data A, AFSK, 45 baud, I can cleanly copy RTTY and > Transmit via VOX, but, for the life of me, I cannot get the ALC set to "4 > bars solid with the 5th bar flashing". I can get it to set to 3 bars solid > or 5 bars solid but nothing in between, no matter how sensitive I try to be. > Seems I recall someone else with this exact issue on her a few weeks ago. I > have spent this morning trying to find that post as I'm pretty sure his > problem was solved. I am setting the ALC via the Mic (Line) Gain. I checked > that Data A had reduced Compression to ZERO and TX EQ flat. Any suggestions? > > 73, Terry W0FM > > > > -Original Message- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donw...@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:33 PM > To: Don Pomplun; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital > >
Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital
Terry, Open the soundcard controls for the USB CODEC in your computer and increase the "Speaker" or Line Out slider. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2017 10:57 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: Don wrote, <"3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something changes it in the computer."> Thanks for the particularly timely reply, Don. I spent the past weekend trying to get my K3S set up for RTTY with MMTTY. My old K3 (474) worked just fine for years. Using Data A, AFSK, 45 baud, I can cleanly copy RTTY and Transmit via VOX, but, for the life of me, I cannot get the ALC set to "4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing". I can get it to set to 3 bars solid or 5 bars solid but nothing in between, no matter how sensitive I try to be. Seems I recall someone else with this exact issue on her a few weeks ago. I have spent this morning trying to find that post as I'm pretty sure his problem was solved. I am setting the ALC via the Mic (Line) Gain. I checked that Data A had reduced Compression to ZERO and TX EQ flat. Any suggestions? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital
Don wrote, <"3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something changes it in the computer."> Thanks for the particularly timely reply, Don. I spent the past weekend trying to get my K3S set up for RTTY with MMTTY. My old K3 (474) worked just fine for years. Using Data A, AFSK, 45 baud, I can cleanly copy RTTY and Transmit via VOX, but, for the life of me, I cannot get the ALC set to "4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing". I can get it to set to 3 bars solid or 5 bars solid but nothing in between, no matter how sensitive I try to be. Seems I recall someone else with this exact issue on her a few weeks ago. I have spent this morning trying to find that post as I'm pretty sure his problem was solved. I am setting the ALC via the Mic (Line) Gain. I checked that Data A had reduced Compression to ZERO and TX EQ flat. Any suggestions? 73, Terry W0FM -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donw...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:33 PM To: Don Pomplun; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital Don and Ronnie, Let me see if I can help by pointing out the differences between the Elecraft transceivers K3, K3S, KX2 and KX3 and other transceivers in the use of data modes. The following points are directed at soundcard oriented data modes. 1) Use DATA A instead of the normally recommended USB. While USB will work, you normally have the SSB set up for voice, including compression and TX EQ. The data modes automatically turn compression to zero and turn off TX EQ. 2) For RTTY, use AFSK A - that is specifically designed for RTTY and defaults to LSB which is normal for RTTY. 3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something changes it in the computer. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Why would you think that? Did it taste good like RTTY should? And I'll bet there wasn't a cough in a carrier either. If I REALLY date myself, did the "green go to war"? (with QRM ??) 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Nielsen Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:49 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital Hmm, why does this make me think of an old cigarette advertisement? Bob,N7XY On 3/19/17 1:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Low Space Means Fine Teletype __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Sun,3/19/2017 11:48 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: Hmm, why does this make me think of an old cigarette advertisement? Because you're OLD! Like me. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hmm, why does this make me think of an old cigarette advertisement? Bob,N7XY On 3/19/17 1:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: Low Space Means Fine Teletype __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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One caveat here... if you happen to set the ALC levels for low freq tones, say 600 Hz, then end up using 2150 Hz, that level may very well be well off, overdriving or underdriving while the radio tries to compensate with varying power levels or accidental distortion. So one should be cautious of that or ALWAYS use the same tones. I've made that a non-issue for RTTY by using FSK but in PSK (sideband doesn't matter) or others, the same issue remains. RIck nhc On 3/19/2017 1:23 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: This is grossly oversimplified, but it's a place to start: the software makes noises, the transmitter transmits them, the remote receiver receives them, and the software at the other end turns them back into letters on the screen. Different noises for RTTY, PSK-31, Olivia, Throb, Hellescriber, etc. but the technique does not change, and once you get a program working, you likely don't need to change anything but the VFO to change modes. I'd start with PSK-31 because it's popular. DATA A will do fine. 73 -- Lynn On 3/19/2017 12:23 PM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: I'm also interested. Are you saying that the K3 should be set to DATA A and the controlling software on the PC will handle TX/RX, whether it's PSK, RTTY etc.? 73, Alan. G4GNX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa6...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Don knows this, so this is for those reading along. Traditionally, a teletype Terminal Unit (TU) generates two tones: "mark" at 2125 Hz and "space" at 2295 (170 Hz shift -- other shifts are possible, but this is the main one). Put a (clean) 2125 Hz tone into a SSB transmitter on Lower Sideband and you'll get a carrier 2125 Hz below the VFO setting. To transmit "mark" on 14.070 you'd dial the VFO to 14.072125. The space signal would be 170 Hz lower (because LSB inverts) and "low space means fine teletype." For teletype, the mark and space tones are generally pretty exact, and you're going to tune the VFO. For PSK and the like, you'll have a waterfall display showing a number of different QSOs, and generally speaking, you click your mouse on the one you want. The software shifts the tone(s) as needed and the VFO stays locked. Everyone on PSK-31 is pretty much within 2 KHz of each other. 73 -- Lynn On 3/19/2017 1:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Some data mode applications will do RTTY in USB by inverting the mark/space. If using one of those, stay in DATA A submode for RTTY. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Some data mode applications will do RTTY in USB by inverting the mark/space. If using one of those, stay in DATA A submode for RTTY. But do follow the instructions in the documentation for the software you are using. Most DATA modes (other than RTTY) will operate from a waterfall display where you click on a signal of interest and that signal is decoded. The bandwidth controls on the receiver would normally be set wide to see a wide waterfall with many signals. Most using RTTY prefer MMTTY which would normally be used with AFSK A sub-mode on the K3/K3S (LSB on other transceivers). You would normally tune to the RTTY signal with the VFO knob, and operate with a narrow bandwidth. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2017 4:23 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: This is grossly oversimplified, but it's a place to start: the software makes noises, the transmitter transmits them, the remote receiver receives them, and the software at the other end turns them back into letters on the screen. Different noises for RTTY, PSK-31, Olivia, Throb, Hellescriber, etc. but the technique does not change, and once you get a program working, you likely don't need to change anything but the VFO to change modes. I'd start with PSK-31 because it's popular. DATA A will do fine. 73 -- Lynn On 3/19/2017 12:23 PM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: I'm also interested. Are you saying that the K3 should be set to DATA A and the controlling software on the PC will handle TX/RX, whether it's PSK, RTTY etc.? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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This is grossly oversimplified, but it's a place to start: the software makes noises, the transmitter transmits them, the remote receiver receives them, and the software at the other end turns them back into letters on the screen. Different noises for RTTY, PSK-31, Olivia, Throb, Hellescriber, etc. but the technique does not change, and once you get a program working, you likely don't need to change anything but the VFO to change modes. I'd start with PSK-31 because it's popular. DATA A will do fine. 73 -- Lynn On 3/19/2017 12:23 PM, Alan. G4GNX wrote: I'm also interested. Are you saying that the K3 should be set to DATA A and the controlling software on the PC will handle TX/RX, whether it's PSK, RTTY etc.? 73, Alan. G4GNX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Low Space Means Fine Teletype Last time I ran RTTY I used a HAL-5000 and a 28KSR, so I'm a little rusty, but I believe that nearly all sound card software can "flip" mark and space so USB will work. I like PSK-31 a lot. 73 -- Lynn On 3/19/2017 12:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: 2) For RTTY, use AFSK A - that is specifically designed for RTTY and defaults to LSB which is normal for RTTY. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I should add one thing which is not always obvious to new users of data mode software -- You have to tell the software which COM port to use for rig control qnd proper display of the frequency. You also have to tell the software which soundcard you are using for the data mode audio. For details on that, refer to the documentation of whatever data mode software you have chosen to use. 73, Don W3FPR -- Don and Ronnie, Let me see if I can help by pointing out the differences between the Elecraft transceivers K3, K3S, KX2 and KX3 and other transceivers in the use of data modes. The following points are directed at soundcard oriented data modes. 1) Use DATA A instead of the normally recommended USB. While USB will work, you normally have the SSB set up for voice, including compression and TX EQ. The data modes automatically turn compression to zero and turn off TX EQ. 2) For RTTY, use AFSK A - that is specifically designed for RTTY and defaults to LSB which is normal for RTTY. 3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something changes it in the computer. 4) Output power - adjust the desired power level with the POWER knob. Do not try to adjust the power with the audio level. 5) LINE IN - It is easy to use LINE IN for soundcard data modes than attempting to use the microphone. If you have the K3S or K3 with the KIO3B, you can use the internal soundcard which your computer should recognize as USB CODEC. If using the internal soundcard, do not plug anything into the K3S LINE IN jack, because that will take precedence over the output of the internal soundcard. 6) For a K3 without the KIO3B, you CAN use the computer's built-in soundcard, but you will find an external soundcard will serve you better. (You can use the computer or USB soundcard with the K3S instead of the K3S internal soundcard). The LINE IN and LINE OUT signals are isolated with transformers and no data mode interface is required. That about takes care of the differences between the K3/K3S and other non-Elecraft transceivers. The operation of the data mode software will be the same as for any other transceiver. PSK D and FSK D data modes are there if you want to do other than soundcard oriented data They can encode data entered as CW via the paddles (not from a computer, bug or straight key) The display of decoded text is scrolled on the VFO B display area. The input can also be from the computer as ASCII characters. In the case of FSK D, the FSK keying from a 'one transistor keying circuit' can be applied to the FSK pin on the ACC connector. The hardest part for a newbie to data modes is normally getting the computer software set up and learning to operate it. This is a problem for any transceiver, it is not unique to the Elecraft gear. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2017 2:40 PM, Don Pomplun wrote: I, too echo my sense of confusion with my K3S and data modes. With 4 Data Modes to select from, a couple of which support the keyer paddle, and some external audio connections, and some that use the USB cable, not to mention the fact that there is a built-in "sound card" capability . . . A few times I've sat down and tried to summarize all this for myself with no luck, even with Fred's book. So far I've managed to decode both RTTY and PSK31 signals via the Utility progam, and with MMTTY for RTTY. I hesitate to take the "just shut up and do it" approach, preferring instead to understand what's going on. Maybe some one has already published a "white paper" on this topic. The ARRL books on digital aren't much help because of the unique capabilities of the K3S. TIADon K2BIO On 03/19/2017 01:44 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: howdy friends I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. I would love to start working digital. I’m a total and complete newbie at digital. I need someone who is willing to walk me through step by step in setting this up. I’m primarily interested in RTTY only. I did buy a Signal Link USB before I purchased the KIO3 Upgrade, but never used it. I understand that with the KIO3B Upgrade I DO NOT need the signal link. I run Windows 7 on my computer. Rig control with the K3 and N1MM is working great. I use N1MM and would like to work RTTY with that. I don’t want to clutter up with a bunch of different programs. Anyone willing to help out a Digital Newb? Thanks and God Bless Ronnie W5SUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
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Don and Ronnie, Let me see if I can help by pointing out the differences between the Elecraft transceivers K3, K3S, KX2 and KX3 and other transceivers in the use of data modes. The following points are directed at soundcard oriented data modes. 1) Use DATA A instead of the normally recommended USB. While USB will work, you normally have the SSB set up for voice, including compression and TX EQ. The data modes automatically turn compression to zero and turn off TX EQ. 2) For RTTY, use AFSK A - that is specifically designed for RTTY and defaults to LSB which is normal for RTTY. 3) Audio levels - ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the audio level. Adjust the audio to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. This is the "NO ALC" point for these Elecraft transceivers - the first 4 bars are present to allow you to properly adjust the audio. Once adjusted, you should not have to change it unless something changes it in the computer. 4) Output power - adjust the desired power level with the POWER knob. Do not try to adjust the power with the audio level. 5) LINE IN - It is easy to use LINE IN for soundcard data modes than attempting to use the microphone. If you have the K3S or K3 with the KIO3B, you can use the internal soundcard which your computer should recognize as USB CODEC. If using the internal soundcard, do not plug anything into the K3S LINE IN jack, because that will take precedence over the output of the internal soundcard. 6) For a K3 without the KIO3B, you CAN use the computer's built-in soundcard, but you will find an external soundcard will serve you better. (You can use the computer or USB soundcard with the K3S instead of the K3S internal soundcard). The LINE IN and LINE OUT signals are isolated with transformers and no data mode interface is required. That about takes care of the differences between the K3/K3S and other non-Elecraft transceivers. The operation of the data mode software will be the same as for any other transceiver. PSK D and FSK D data modes are there if you want to do other than soundcard oriented data They can encode data entered as CW via the paddles (not from a computer, bug or straight key) The display of decoded text is scrolled on the VFO B display area. The input can also be from the computer as ASCII characters. In the case of FSK D, the FSK keying from a 'one transistor keying circuit' can be applied to the FSK pin on the ACC connector. The hardest part for a newbie to data modes is normally getting the computer software set up and learning to operate it. This is a problem for any transceiver, it is not unique to the Elecraft gear. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2017 2:40 PM, Don Pomplun wrote: I, too echo my sense of confusion with my K3S and data modes. With 4 Data Modes to select from, a couple of which support the keyer paddle, and some external audio connections, and some that use the USB cable, not to mention the fact that there is a built-in "sound card" capability . . . A few times I've sat down and tried to summarize all this for myself with no luck, even with Fred's book. So far I've managed to decode both RTTY and PSK31 signals via the Utility progam, and with MMTTY for RTTY. I hesitate to take the "just shut up and do it" approach, preferring instead to understand what's going on. Maybe some one has already published a "white paper" on this topic. The ARRL books on digital aren't much help because of the unique capabilities of the K3S. TIADon K2BIO On 03/19/2017 01:44 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: howdy friends I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. I would love to start working digital. I’m a total and complete newbie at digital. I need someone who is willing to walk me through step by step in setting this up. I’m primarily interested in RTTY only. I did buy a Signal Link USB before I purchased the KIO3 Upgrade, but never used it. I understand that with the KIO3B Upgrade I DO NOT need the signal link. I run Windows 7 on my computer. Rig control with the K3 and N1MM is working great. I use N1MM and would like to work RTTY with that. I don’t want to clutter up with a bunch of different programs. Anyone willing to help out a Digital Newb? Thanks and God Bless Ronnie W5SUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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OOPs! Brain Cramp. The mode should be data a not digital a. Sorry for the confusion 73, Barry K3NDM -- Original Message -- From: "Don Pomplun" <radioprincegeo...@gmail.com> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2017 2:40:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital I, too echo my sense of confusion with my K3S and data modes. With 4 Data Modes to select from, a couple of which support the keyer paddle, and some external audio connections, and some that use the USB cable, not to mention the fact that there is a built-in "sound card" capability . . . A few times I've sat down and tried to summarize all this for myself with no luck, even with Fred's book. So far I've managed to decode both RTTY and PSK31 signals via the Utility progam, and with MMTTY for RTTY. I hesitate to take the "just shut up and do it" approach, preferring instead to understand what's going on. Maybe some one has already published a "white paper" on this topic. The ARRL books on digital aren't much help because of the unique capabilities of the K3S. TIADon K2BIO On 03/19/2017 01:44 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: howdy friends I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. I would love to start working digital. I’m a total and complete newbie at digital. I need someone who is willing to walk me through step by step in setting this up. I’m primarily interested in RTTY only. I did buy a Signal Link USB before I purchased the KIO3 Upgrade, but never used it. I understand that with the KIO3B Upgrade I DO NOT need the signal link. I run Windows 7 on my computer. Rig control with the K3 and N1MM is working great. I use N1MM and would like to work RTTY with that. I don’t want to clutter up with a bunch of different programs. Anyone willing to help out a Digital Newb? Thanks and God Bless Ronnie W5SUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to radioprincegeo...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital
Don, Using the K3s for digital modes is a lot simpler than it might appear. It has a built in sound card that will show up an a USB codec, assuming you're connected to your computer using a USB connection. Whatever you use for your digital software, it should be set for input and output to the USB codec. You will then set the radio to mode: DIGITAL A. The rest is setting the levels according to the radio manual. This is so much simpler than using external, or internal, sound cards and needing additional cables for ins and outs. 73, Barry K3NDM -- Original Message -- From: "Don Pomplun" <radioprincegeo...@gmail.com> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2017 2:40:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital I, too echo my sense of confusion with my K3S and data modes. With 4 Data Modes to select from, a couple of which support the keyer paddle, and some external audio connections, and some that use the USB cable, not to mention the fact that there is a built-in "sound card" capability . . . A few times I've sat down and tried to summarize all this for myself with no luck, even with Fred's book. So far I've managed to decode both RTTY and PSK31 signals via the Utility progam, and with MMTTY for RTTY. I hesitate to take the "just shut up and do it" approach, preferring instead to understand what's going on. Maybe some one has already published a "white paper" on this topic. The ARRL books on digital aren't much help because of the unique capabilities of the K3S. TIADon K2BIO On 03/19/2017 01:44 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: howdy friends I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. I would love to start working digital. I’m a total and complete newbie at digital. I need someone who is willing to walk me through step by step in setting this up. I’m primarily interested in RTTY only. I did buy a Signal Link USB before I purchased the KIO3 Upgrade, but never used it. I understand that with the KIO3B Upgrade I DO NOT need the signal link. I run Windows 7 on my computer. Rig control with the K3 and N1MM is working great. I use N1MM and would like to work RTTY with that. I don’t want to clutter up with a bunch of different programs. Anyone willing to help out a Digital Newb? Thanks and God Bless Ronnie W5SUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to radioprincegeo...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital
The biggest problem is that there are several right answers. I can't give you a K3S cookbook because I have a KX3, but I can nudge you in the right general direction. If you don't mind using a computer, then ignore the "paddle" methods. Same with the internal encoding/decoding and the utility. Use one of the "sound card" or "modem" programs. DATA A is basically Upper Sideband. Use the built-in sound card. Now, any program that uses a sound card for any digital mode will work. Personally, I like FLDIGI. It does RTTY, PSK-31 (which is popular) and a whole bunch of other modes. If you hit your favorite search engine with K3S FLDIGI you'll get a number of hits, most of them pointed at the Nabble archive of this list. It seems that the biggest problem may be picking one path and following it, I hope my input helps. 73 -- Lynn On 3/19/2017 11:40 AM, Don Pomplun wrote: A few times I've sat down and tried to summarize all this for myself with no luck, even with Fred's book. So far I've managed to decode both RTTY and PSK31 signals via the Utility progam, and with MMTTY for RTTY. I hesitate to take the "just shut up and do it" approach, preferring instead to understand what's going on. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Help setting up digital
I, too echo my sense of confusion with my K3S and data modes. With 4 Data Modes to select from, a couple of which support the keyer paddle, and some external audio connections, and some that use the USB cable, not to mention the fact that there is a built-in "sound card" capability . . . A few times I've sat down and tried to summarize all this for myself with no luck, even with Fred's book. So far I've managed to decode both RTTY and PSK31 signals via the Utility progam, and with MMTTY for RTTY. I hesitate to take the "just shut up and do it" approach, preferring instead to understand what's going on. Maybe some one has already published a "white paper" on this topic. The ARRL books on digital aren't much help because of the unique capabilities of the K3S. TIADon K2BIO On 03/19/2017 01:44 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: howdy friends I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. I would love to start working digital. I’m a total and complete newbie at digital. I need someone who is willing to walk me through step by step in setting this up. I’m primarily interested in RTTY only. I did buy a Signal Link USB before I purchased the KIO3 Upgrade, but never used it. I understand that with the KIO3B Upgrade I DO NOT need the signal link. I run Windows 7 on my computer. Rig control with the K3 and N1MM is working great. I use N1MM and would like to work RTTY with that. I don’t want to clutter up with a bunch of different programs. Anyone willing to help out a Digital Newb? Thanks and God Bless Ronnie W5SUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to radioprincegeo...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Help setting up digital
howdy friends I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3. I would love to start working digital. I’m a total and complete newbie at digital. I need someone who is willing to walk me through step by step in setting this up. I’m primarily interested in RTTY only. I did buy a Signal Link USB before I purchased the KIO3 Upgrade, but never used it. I understand that with the KIO3B Upgrade I DO NOT need the signal link. I run Windows 7 on my computer. Rig control with the K3 and N1MM is working great. I use N1MM and would like to work RTTY with that. I don’t want to clutter up with a bunch of different programs. Anyone willing to help out a Digital Newb? Thanks and God Bless Ronnie W5SUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
