Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

While we appreciate the interest in additional forums, we can not watch them all 
and only only infrequently read all the ones on Yahoo. If there end up lists for 
every product we make, it will quickly be impossible for us to participate in 
all of them.


If you have a question on using our products, please place it here first (or at 
least in duplicate to any other forum) as we and our close to 5000 list readers 
are most likely to have a quick answer for you :-)  This list acts as our 
central clearing house for questions and company announcements.


73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 10/11/2015 7:42 PM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote:

To All,

I know the main advantage of having one central list (this one) is that it is 
monitored by Elecraft, and answers are provided by them, as well as other 
knowledgeable individuals on the forum.

I have moderated the elecraft...@yahoogroups.com  for some time (Waaay before 
having a K3), and fortunately, Elecraft monitors that list as well.

Since there appears to be a need, I have created elecraft_k...@yahoogroups.com 
for anyone who would like to have a separate forum.  I would certainly welcome 
Elecraft to participate, as well as RemoteRig and Remote hams.

I want to make it clear that I do not want to divide this forum, just provide a 
space where those who have a particular interest in Remote operating can gather.

I am currently borrowing a K3/0 in anticipation of one I have on order, and purchased 
RemoteRig when I purchased my K3.  All I can say is that it was indeed fortunate that I 
had someone who has set up a number of remote stations with RemoteRig to guide me through 
the process.  It is not "a walk in the park" for someone who has not done it 
before.  Hopefully this new forum can help.

David from Elecraft did send me a separate communication dated June 2015 (K3 
and K3S Remote System FAQ) on remote operating, and I've found it very helpful.

If anyone cares to join the list, elecraft_k3-0-subscr...@yahoogroups.com should do it, 
but going to http://groups.yahoo.com and searching for Elecraft_K3-0 would be best. It 
will be moderated.  Please place your callsign in the "why you want to join this 
group" for quick approval.

’73 de JIM N2ZZ




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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum

[James Beitchman]

Eric, 

 

I am pleased to see this topic raised, 

 

I was one of the first users of the K3/0 mini with a long back-ordered unit.
For me the set-up process was lengthy (5 weeks working at two sites 100
miles apart), painful, educational and eventually very successful. I am
delighted to be able to experience excellent multi-mode ham radio from my
Manhattan basement office with my K3/100 more than 100 miles from here!  To
get the system going (every aspect of my current set up is now carefully
documented), required numerous communications with Brandon by e-mail and
phone (he was very patient!) and directly with RemoteRig in Sweden - even
two phone calls.   I can easily identify why this was so difficult.  The
terse manual from Elecraft and the huge document from RemoteRig were written
by and for people who have Internet networking familiarity and experience.
Though I am a technical professional, I had no such experience -
understanding and using DDNS services, SIP, port forwarding, ports in the
DMZ, etc was a new challenge.  The manuals from either provider did not
really help with the fundamentals of Internet networking set-up for a first
time user. 

 

While I fully agree with the respondents who have suggested that a single
source - Elecraft - should provide a single manual that addresses both
RemoteRig and K3/0 set up and operational issues, some way must be found to
address the market/users that do not have familiarity with Internet
networking in general. Maybe there is some already existing primmer that you
could supply with the equipment or the manual could contain a chapter with
the basic networking information. I suspect that such information would
reduce Brandon's e-mail by a huge amount. Your job is not primarily to
educate users on Internet networking, but I think there is a large community
of potential K3/0 owners/users who would benefit from such basic
information; it would rebound to Elecraft's benefit, I'm sure.

 

73 from a happy K3/0 mini to K3/100 user.

 

Buzz 

W3EMD 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:00:12 -0700

From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" < >

To: jlbates4 <jlbat...@gmail.com>

Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

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Hi Jim,

 

Drop bran...@elecraft.com an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and
remotehams.com questions. He is responsible for supporting these products,
and he also happens to be the author of remonthams.com

 

73,

 

Eric

elecraft.com

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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[George K5KG via Elecraft]

K1KNQ and I have recently set up W1YL with a K3/0-Mini using and 
remotehams.com, and the RCForb software.  In this installation, the 
K3/0-Mini is directly connected to a Windows 7 machine via two virtual 
comm ports.


W1YL is able to connect to any number of remote stations using the 
RCForb software, and has been successful in making a number of CW Qsos 
using W8RJ as the remote stn.  In W1YL's case, she is located in an 
apartment with good broadband service, but no way to put up an outside 
antenna, so the remote set up is a good solution for her.


The only documentation that we had available for doing this installation 
was what we found on remotehams.com.  The K3/0-Mini's manual was of 
limited help.  In W1YL's case, she had never used a K3, and was totally 
unfamiliar with how to operate the K3/0-MIni and its many "tiny and 
confusing" controls.  We provided her with copies of some of the more 
relevant pages from a K3 manual, but what really brought her up speed 
were several training sessions on how to connect to a remote station and 
use the K3/0 and its many controls.


It has been an interesting journey.

73, George, K5KG


On 10/11/2015 4:56 PM, Ed Gray W0SD wrote:
The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is 
way..below the normal Elecraft standards.  It is especially bad if 
in addition to remote rig you sometimes want to use the USB cable and 
remote hams.  There just is no documentation as to what is going on!


Ed W0SD

On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote:
I don’t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking 
at a remote installation for when we move into a retirement community 
and will want to know where the information is to be found.


David K0LUM



On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4  wrote:

I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a 
dedicated forum.

Just a thought...

The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the 
K3/0.
I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the 
LCD
display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu 
system that

allows for K3/0 configuration?

73 de K8OI






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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[bill NY9H]

that k3/0 implementation with remotehams.com is wonderful and easy .

mini notebook w/ wifi
LOAD CLIENT SOFTWARE
   usb to   k3/0 CABLE

plug in mic or headset DONE


activated the wifi hotspot in my smartphone ...
  and it even works
so far  just ssb.

bill

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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Mike K2MK]

Hi Scott,

I chose not to receive postings through my e-mail. I look at the postings on
either:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/maillist.html

or

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

Obviously those two services do the truncating. I guess I should rephrase my
querie to ask if I'm the only guy not receiving postings through e-mail.

73,
Mike K2MK



Scott Manthe-2 wrote
> It might be something with your client, Mike. I guess is could also be a 
> Windows security "feature." Email addresses are not truncated here with 
> Thunderbird and OSX. The rest of Brandon's email is elecraft.com
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> 
> 
> On 10/12/15 9:54 AM, Mike K2MK wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail
>> addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated
>> and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the
>> e-mail address in a manner similar to this:
>>
>> k2mk at comcast dot not
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike K2MK





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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Scott Manthe]

It might be something with your client, Mike. I guess is could also be a 
Windows security "feature." Email addresses are not truncated here with 
Thunderbird and OSX. The rest of Brandon's email is elecraft.com


73,
Scott N9AA


On 10/12/15 9:54 AM, Mike K2MK wrote:

Hi Eric,

I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail
addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated
and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the
e-mail address in a manner similar to this:

k2mk at comcast dot not

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Jim,

Drop brandon@ an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com
questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also
happens to be the author of remonthams.com

73,

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Mike K2MK]

Hi Eric,

I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail
addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated
and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the
e-mail address in a manner similar to this:

k2mk at comcast dot not

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Jim,

Drop brandon@ an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com
questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also
happens to be the author of remonthams.com

73,

Eric
elecraft.com



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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

I don't know what email client you are using, but I am using 
Thunderbird, and that email address in Eric's post came through loud and 
clear - It was even underlined and colored in blue.
Bottom line, that is not being done by the Elecraft reflector - it must 
be something in your email client that is causing the addresses to be 
truncated.
OTOH, I notice you are responding through Nabble -  it may be a 
"feature" of Nabble - I receive my Elecraft posts directly from the 
reflector - mailman.qth.net.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2015 9:54 AM, Mike K2MK wrote:

Hi Eric,

I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail
addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated
and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the
e-mail address in a manner similar to this:

k2mk at comcast dot not

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Jim,

Drop brandon@ an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com
questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also
happens to be the author of remonthams.com




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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Of course, anyone can set up a forum, but every time you do you divide 
the knowledge pool.


On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, jlbates4 wrote:

The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for
this product line:)


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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[jlbates4]

​The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for
this product line :)

​


> Part of the “confusion” may be due to how different organizations/groups
> utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products.  Which areas should
> be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations?
> For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate
> documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

To be practical, there just is no way for a maker of transceivers to keep
up with all 3rd party generators of software/hardware.

We depend on Elecraft engineers to be working on Elecraft products.

Also, there is a 22 page manual for K3/0 and the remote protocol for Remote
Rig, which Elecraft sells and supports at:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3%20Remote%20Owner's%20Manual%20%20Rev%20D.pdf

I would squeeze out of that whatever you can.

Since they sell RRG, they do have to keep up with RRG.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:30 PM, jlbates4  wrote:

> ​The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for
> this product line :)
>
> ​
>
>
> > Part of the “confusion” may be due to how different organizations/groups
> > utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products.  Which areas should
> > be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations?
> > For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate
> > documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection?
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Ed Gray W0SD]

The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is way..below 
the normal Elecraft standards.  It is especially bad if in addition to 
remote rig you sometimes want to use the USB cable and remote hams.  
There just is no documentation as to what is going on!


Ed W0SD

On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote:

I don’t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a 
remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will want 
to know where the information is to be found.

David K0LUM



On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4  wrote:

I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum.
Just a thought...

The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0.
I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD
display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu system that
allows for K3/0 configuration?

73 de K8OI






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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Barry Baines]

Ed:

Part of the “confusion” may be due to how different organizations/groups 
utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products.  Which areas should be 
the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations?  For 
example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate 
documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection?

Second, the K3/O can be ‘connected’ to a K3 through various means.  I would 
suggest since Elecraft offers the Remote Rig hardware as part of their product 
line offerings, their focus should be on getting the Remote Rig hardware 
properly interconnected with the K3 at the radio site as well as the K3/0 at 
the remote site.  This includes proper remote rig configuration, which can at 
times be confusing due in part to network issues. 

In my opinion, Elecraft does a reasonably good job in their brief documentation 
in connecting via Remote Rig. I was able to get it done once I dealt with with 
some network issues.

There is also the question of connecting the K3/0 to a local PC which in turn 
connects to a PC where the K3 itself is located to provide the connection.  I 
don’t know how many people use this approach, but the documentation may indeed 
be in need of improvement.  

What is particularly lacking is understanding more complex setups beyond SSB 
where documentation is needed to explain how to setup digital modes and how to 
use computers at the remote site to do digital modes.  There is also the 
question logging using a computer next to the K3/0 which gets into the question 
of proper com port configuration.  The question of feeding audio and control 
lines to a PC at the remote using the available connection ports off the K3/O 
or the Remote Rig “box” is not intuitive, nor is how best to use the two 
available com ports that can be managed between the remote site and the radio 
site (ham shack where the K3 is located) to feed data.  

Third, we need to remember that the K3/O’s front panel and menus control the K3 
that is connected to the antenna.  When you setup filters, set frequencies, set 
audio levels, etc. on the K3/0, you are directly interacting with the K3 at the 
ham shack.  Even changing the volume level on the K3/0 to make for a more 
pleasant listening experience with the K3/0 internal speaker is in fact also 
changing the audio level of the speaker out of the K3 itself.  That is why I 
always turn off the powered speakers at the K3 so that varying audio levels 
don’t result in loud speaker output at the ham shack where the radio is located.

Fourth, for those of us that use the Remote Rig Hardware, there is a Remote Rig 
forum available through Remote Rig.  There are some issues that more properly 
handled by the Remote Rig support process, such as how to finagle a connection 
through hotel WiFi services where a login is required. In my opinion, Remote 
Rig needs to come up with solutions to these issues, not Elecraft.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Westborough, MA
Folkston, GA (ham shack site)

> On Oct 11, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Ed Gray W0SD  wrote:
> 
> The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is way..below the 
> normal Elecraft standards.  It is especially bad if in addition to remote rig 
> you sometimes want to use the USB cable and remote hams.  There just is no 
> documentation as to what is going on!
> 
> Ed W0SD
> 
> On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote:
>> I don’t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a 
>> remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will 
>> want to know where the information is to be found.
>> 
>> David K0LUM
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated 
>>> forum.
>>> Just a thought...
>>> 
>>> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0.
>>> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD
>>> display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu system that
>>> allows for K3/0 configuration?
>>> 
>>> 73 de K8OI
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[jlbates4]

I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. 
Just a thought...

The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. 
I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD
display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu system that
allows for K3/0 configuration?

73 de K8OI



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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[David Christ]

I don’t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a 
remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will want 
to know where the information is to be found.

David K0LUM


> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. 
> Just a thought...
> 
> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. 
> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD
> display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu system that
> allows for K3/0 configuration?
> 
> 73 de K8OI
> 





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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Phil Wheeler]

You could always start a Yahoo Group with such a 
focus, ala the ones already there for K3/K3s and KX3.


Here having a single email reflector for all 
Elecraft products makes the most sense, IMO. 
Separate ones for each product would be a tad messy.


73, Phil W7OX

On 10/11/15 3:30 PM, jlbates4 wrote:

​The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for
this product line :)

​



Part of the “confusion” may be due to how different organizations/groups
utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products.  Which areas should
be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations?
For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate
documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection?






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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Hi Jim,

Drop bran...@elecraft.com an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com 
questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also happens 
to be the author of remonthams.com

73,

Eric
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> On Oct 11, 2015, at 1:16 PM, jlbates4  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. 
> Just a thought...
> 
> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. 
> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD
> display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu system that
> allows for K3/0 configuration?
> 
> 73 de K8OI
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[Ed Gray W0SD]

I don't want another forum I just want decent documentation on the K3/0 
mini in regards to the remotehams software. http://www.remotehams.com


I have two remote rig set ups.  I have used them for several years from 
many locations back to my home station.  I have used them with the 
computer(TRX manager) I have used them with another K3 and the K3/0 
Mini.  I have used them on SSB, CW, RTTY, Digital.  I have used them 
remotely with Writelog and done remote contesting. I of course have made 
a lot of DX contacts remotely.


You can get help from the Remote Rig forum and the company.  You can 
also get help from Elecraft, the e-mails and the K3/0 Mini manual for 
using the RRC boxes so it is not bad.  I don't have any big problems 
with the K3/0 Mini and the Remote rig boxes although there are some 
things missing in the documentation by both companies.


What I am talking about is using the K3/0 mini for 
http://www.remotehams.com/ (remotehams)


For example do people know there are several jumpers inside the K3/0 
Mini that are totally undocumented in the manual or anyplace else I can 
find?  Do people know how to get the K3/0 Mini apart?  It is not sold as 
a kit.  There is more but I will leave it at that.


The bottom line is the K3/0 Mini manual in regards to remote hams is 
"weak"!  It should at least have a diagram or reference to a diagram on 
line. We are not dealing with another hardware product here.  We are 
dealing with software that if you go to the site says sponsored by Elecraft.


I should know better than to make a post but I thought I might be able 
to get some help for other K3/0 Mini owners or future owners for at 
least a schematic  but mainly all I read is defense of the status quo.  
I am QRT on this subject.   I will talk to Elecraft support tomorrow.


73

Ed W0SD


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[Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

[James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft]

To All,

I know the main advantage of having one central list (this one) is that it is 
monitored by Elecraft, and answers are provided by them, as well as other 
knowledgeable individuals on the forum.

I have moderated the elecraft...@yahoogroups.com  for some time (Waaay before 
having a K3), and fortunately, Elecraft monitors that list as well.

Since there appears to be a need, I have created elecraft_k...@yahoogroups.com 
for anyone who would like to have a separate forum.  I would certainly welcome 
Elecraft to participate, as well as RemoteRig and Remote hams.

I want to make it clear that I do not want to divide this forum, just provide a 
space where those who have a particular interest in Remote operating can gather.

I am currently borrowing a K3/0 in anticipation of one I have on order, and 
purchased RemoteRig when I purchased my K3.  All I can say is that it was 
indeed fortunate that I had someone who has set up a number of remote stations 
with RemoteRig to guide me through the process.  It is not "a walk in the park" 
for someone who has not done it before.  Hopefully this new forum can help.

David from Elecraft did send me a separate communication dated June 2015 (K3 
and K3S Remote System FAQ) on remote operating, and I've found it very helpful.

If anyone cares to join the list, elecraft_k3-0-subscr...@yahoogroups.com 
should do it, but going to http://groups.yahoo.com and searching for 
Elecraft_K3-0 would be best. It will be moderated.  Please place your callsign 
in the "why you want to join this group" for quick approval.

’73 de JIM N2ZZ


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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray 
W0SD
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum?

The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is way..below the 
normal Elecraft standards.  It is especially bad if in addition to remote rig 
you sometimes want to use the USB cable and remote hams.  
There just is no documentation as to what is going on!

Ed W0SD

On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote:
> I don’t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a 
> remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will 
> want to know where the information is to be found.
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4 <jlbat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum.
>> Just a thought...
>>
>> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0.
>> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the 
>> LCD display or adjust the LED brightness?  Is there a "local" menu 
>> system that allows for K3/0 configuration?
>>
>> 73 de K8OI
>>
>
>
>
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