Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks Clay. I'm willing to eat humble pie any time it is appropriate. 
No problem there. Being called lazy when I know otherwise is not one of 
those times. I do better getting help from people that are polite and 
trying to understand where I am coming from. That isn't what's happening 
here. How did you expect me to respond. I am willing to learn.

73
Stan
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Clay Autery]

Mr  you've made several mistakes in judgement based on what appears
to be false assumptions.  Of course, there are also times where folks
bump heads by sheer accidental reasons...  I'd like to think we have a
case of the second type here...

You've been provided excellent information, and some truthful expression
of how you have "come across" to this group.

Frankly, I remember thinking when I read his response to you:

"He was a lot nicer than I would have been."

I chose not to write a response so as not to appear "cantankerous", but
I can't let this go.

Trust me, Jim has no pride invested in this group... he's simply trying
to help you.
Being a butt-head BACK to him is incredibly disrespectful to a very nice
man and an incredibly knowledgeable resource, and likely not your best
course of action.

Have a good day,

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On 4/30/2017 3:26 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> Well Jim, I appreciate your concern but to accuse me of laziness is 
> offensive and uncalled for. I think you are presumptuous to know my 
> circumstance and make a judgment of my character based on a few simple 
> questions posted on a email forum. Your analysis is full of snobbery and 
> ill intent. It's really a turn off  from someone who is trying to learn 
> the radio, its operation and functions. I think your attitude and sense 
> of internet etiquette needs adjustment if you don't mind me saying.
>
> I am choosing to learn this system at my own pace. I've built and 
> configured the system just fine with this one defugalty. So back off.
>
> Stan
>
> KG7FYI
>
>
> On 04/30/2017 12:40 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> On Sun,4/30/2017 8:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>>> I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the 
>> right direction and I'll plow through it.
>>
>> While Fred's books provides a lot of good info in easy to read form,
>> there's very little in that that can't be learned simply by studying the
>> Elecraft User Manuals for your product. Note my use of the word
>> "studying." This is necessary whether you're using Elecraft manuals
>> (free) or Fred's (not free).
>>
>> Elecraft K3, K3S, KX2, and KX3 all offer a high degree of customization
>> and many controls to fit the needs of individual users. The Elecraft
>> manuals are pretty good at providing detail of how all those settings
>> and controls work. When set up properly to match individual operating
>> style and needs, it's rare to need to use a menu except to choose very
>> different styles and needs.
>>
>> Taken together, the posts in this thread suggest a mental laziness about
>> STUDYING the reference materials -- FCC Rules, equipment manuals, ARRL
>> Handbook, ARRL Operating Manual, even the ARRL study guides for the
>> license exams (and I mean the fundamental concepts, not just Q). Those
>> of us who know what's going on and how things work have done that. It
>> ain't that we're that much smarter, it's that we've paid our dues by
>> studying.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Nr4c]

If not "locked", a K3 will tune continuously from a very low frequency like 100 
KHz up to the top of 6 meters at 54 MHZ. The VFO does not know about BANDS. 

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> On Apr 30, 2017, at 2:36 PM, KG7FYI  wrote:
> 
> I believe the below was the problem.
> 
>>> If you were on 24 mhz you were on the 12 meter band. NO you cant dial 
>>> down to 28.4 which is not in the 12 meter band
>>> 
>>> tapping up is not taking you to Ten Meters
>>> for some reason you are in 12 meters still
>>> it has happened to me too
> 
>> On 04/30/2017 10:58 AM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> Stan,
>> 
>> Can you tune the VFO on other bands?  If not, you likely have the VFO
>> locked - look for the little 'padlock' icon in the upper right corner of
>> the display.  Hold the LOCK button to the right of VFO A knob to toggle
>> LOCK on and off.
>> 
>> What happens when you do a Direct Frequency Enter?  You must place a
>> decimal after the MHz digits and when you have entered 28.4 tap the
>> ENTER button (lower right of the number keypad).
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 4/30/2017 11:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>> 
 This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND 
>> (up),
 you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
>>> Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not
>>> something I programmed into the system.  I checked the config menu (BND
>>> MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally 
>> programmed
>>> an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system
>>> so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The
>>> curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in
>>> this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.
>>> 
>>> I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the right
>>> direction and I'll plow through it.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Well Jim, I appreciate your concern but to accuse me of laziness is 
offensive and uncalled for. I think you are presumptuous to know my 
circumstance and make a judgment of my character based on a few simple 
questions posted on a email forum. Your analysis is full of snobbery and 
ill intent. It's really a turn off  from someone who is trying to learn 
the radio, its operation and functions. I think your attitude and sense 
of internet etiquette needs adjustment if you don't mind me saying.

I am choosing to learn this system at my own pace. I've built and 
configured the system just fine with this one defugalty. So back off.

Stan

KG7FYI


On 04/30/2017 12:40 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> On Sun,4/30/2017 8:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the 
> right direction and I'll plow through it.
>
> While Fred's books provides a lot of good info in easy to read form,
> there's very little in that that can't be learned simply by studying the
> Elecraft User Manuals for your product. Note my use of the word
> "studying." This is necessary whether you're using Elecraft manuals
> (free) or Fred's (not free).
>
> Elecraft K3, K3S, KX2, and KX3 all offer a high degree of customization
> and many controls to fit the needs of individual users. The Elecraft
> manuals are pretty good at providing detail of how all those settings
> and controls work. When set up properly to match individual operating
> style and needs, it's rare to need to use a menu except to choose very
> different styles and needs.
>
> Taken together, the posts in this thread suggest a mental laziness about
> STUDYING the reference materials -- FCC Rules, equipment manuals, ARRL
> Handbook, ARRL Operating Manual, even the ARRL study guides for the
> license exams (and I mean the fundamental concepts, not just Q). Those
> of us who know what's going on and how things work have done that. It
> ain't that we're that much smarter, it's that we've paid our dues by
> studying.
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[Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[john]

The locked VFO has been suggested to KG7FYI numerous times as well as
punching in the frequency directly. Perhaps I missed it in this very long
"no 28.400MHz" thread however I have not seen a response to either of these
possible solutions. 


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Stan,

Can you tune the VFO on other bands?  If not, you likely have the VFO 
locked - look for the little 'padlock' icon in the upper right corner of 
the display.  Hold the LOCK button to the right of VFO A knob to toggle 
LOCK on and off.

What happens when you do a Direct Frequency Enter?  You must place a 
decimal after the MHz digits and when you have entered 28.4 tap the 
ENTER button (lower right of the number keypad).

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,4/30/2017 8:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the right direction 
and I'll plow through it.


While Fred's books provides a lot of good info in easy to read form, 
there's very little in that that can't be learned simply by studying the 
Elecraft User Manuals for your product. Note my use of the word 
"studying." This is necessary whether you're using Elecraft manuals 
(free) or Fred's (not free).


Elecraft K3, K3S, KX2, and KX3 all offer a high degree of customization 
and many controls to fit the needs of individual users. The Elecraft 
manuals are pretty good at providing detail of how all those settings 
and controls work. When set up properly to match individual operating 
style and needs, it's rare to need to use a menu except to choose very 
different styles and needs.


Taken together, the posts in this thread suggest a mental laziness about 
STUDYING the reference materials -- FCC Rules, equipment manuals, ARRL 
Handbook, ARRL Operating Manual, even the ARRL study guides for the 
license exams (and I mean the fundamental concepts, not just Q). Those 
of us who know what's going on and how things work have done that. It 
ain't that we're that much smarter, it's that we've paid our dues by 
studying.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

I believe the below was the problem.

>> If you were on 24 mhz you were on the 12 meter band. NO you cant dial 
>> down to 28.4 which is not in the 12 meter band
>>
>> tapping up is not taking you to Ten Meters
>> for some reason you are in 12 meters still
>> it has happened to me too

On 04/30/2017 10:58 AM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Stan,
>
> Can you tune the VFO on other bands?  If not, you likely have the VFO
> locked - look for the little 'padlock' icon in the upper right corner of
> the display.  Hold the LOCK button to the right of VFO A knob to toggle
> LOCK on and off.
>
> What happens when you do a Direct Frequency Enter?  You must place a
> decimal after the MHz digits and when you have entered 28.4 tap the
> ENTER button (lower right of the number keypad).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/30/2017 11:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>
> >> This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND 
> (up),
> >> you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
> > Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not
> > something I programmed into the system.  I checked the config menu (BND
> > MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally 
> programmed
> > an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system
> > so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The
> > curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in
> > this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.
> >
> > I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the right
> > direction and I'll plow through it.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

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Stan,

Can you tune the VFO on other bands?  If not, you likely have the VFO 
locked - look for the little 'padlock' icon in the upper right corner of 
the display.  Hold the LOCK button to the right of VFO A knob to toggle 
LOCK on and off.


What happens when you do a Direct Frequency Enter?  You must place a 
decimal after the MHz digits and when you have entered 28.4 tap the 
ENTER button (lower right of the number keypad).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/30/2017 11:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up),
you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?

Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not
something I programmed into the system.  I checked the config menu (BND
MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally programmed
an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system
so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The
curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in
this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.

I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the right
direction and I'll plow through it.

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> This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up),
> you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not 
something I programmed into the system.  I checked the config menu (BND 
MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally programmed 
an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system 
so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The 
curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in 
this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.

I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me  in the right 
direction and I'll plow through it.

All: I really appreciate the help.

73
Stan KG7FYI


On 04/29/2017 05:00 PM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> I think Stan said he was on 10m, not a transverter band.  If he has a
> transverter programmed in (maybe without his knowledge?)  10m would
> still be 10m and the xvtr band would be its own band.
>
> I'm stumped. Waiting for Stan to reply to last email
>
> Someone thought it might be LOCKed, but that applies across all bands'
> VFO settings.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 4/29/2017 4:17 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>
> > Wondering if he has a XVERTER inabled.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> >
> >> On Apr 29, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Matt Zilmer <[hidden email] 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND 
> (up), you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 
> 28.4?
> >>
> >> Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever:  VFO A 
> is just an optical encoder with A/B outputs.  A and B act in 
> quadrature (only one of them changes per "click") and the transitions 
> are counted by a microcontroller (MCU).  The only limit on what 
> frequency range you can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU.  The K3 
> allows receive from VLF (136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a 
> transverter.
> >>
> >> Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps. 
>  See if you can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq. 
>  Then you can memorize it using the V > M switch.
> >>
> >> I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. 
> If you decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's 
> configuration first.  You'll need to restore it after the "set 
> defaults" is completed.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> matt W6NIA
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> >>> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 
> 28.400.
> >>> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
> >>> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>> Stan KG7FYI
> >>>
> >>>
>  On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>  BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's
>  Manual.
> 
>  73,
> 
>  matt W6NIA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Don Wilhelm]

Stan,

That sounds like you are switching from band to band with the VFO Lock 
turned on.  Check to be certain that the VFO Lock is not turned on.
If the VFO A knob does not change the frequency, then VFO Lock is on. 
You should be able to tune from 28.000 MHz to 29.700 MHz with the VFO 
knob when the band is set for 10 meters.


The K3 is not set to fixed frequencies by default.  VFO A (or VFO B) 
should be able to tune the entire ham band.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/29/2017 2:03 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Matt Zilmer]

I think Stan said he was on 10m, not a transverter band.  If he has a 
transverter programmed in (maybe without his knowledge?)  10m would 
still be 10m and the xvtr band would be its own band.


I'm stumped. Waiting for Stan to reply to last email

Someone thought it might be LOCKed, but that applies across all bands' 
VFO settings.


73,

matt W6NIA


On 4/29/2017 4:17 PM, Nr4c wrote:

Wondering if he has a XVERTER inabled.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Apr 29, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:

This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up), you 
move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?

Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever:  VFO A is just an optical 
encoder with A/B outputs.  A and B act in quadrature (only one of them changes per 
"click") and the transitions are counted by a microcontroller (MCU).  The only 
limit on what frequency range you can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU.  The K3 allows 
receive from VLF (136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a transverter.

Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps.  See if you can 
enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq.  Then you can memorize it 
using the V > M switch.

I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. If you decide to do 
that anyway, be sure and save your K3's configuration first.  You'll need to restore it 
after the "set defaults" is completed.

73,

matt W6NIA



On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

73
Stan KG7FYI



On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's
Manual.

73,

matt W6NIA



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Nr4c]

Wondering if he has a XVERTER inabled. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 29, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:
> 
> This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up), you 
> move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
> 
> Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever:  VFO A is just an 
> optical encoder with A/B outputs.  A and B act in quadrature (only one of 
> them changes per "click") and the transitions are counted by a 
> microcontroller (MCU).  The only limit on what frequency range you can dial 
> to is the firmware inthe MCU.  The K3 allows receive from VLF (136 KHz) 
> through 30 MHz, used without a transverter.
> 
> Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps.  See if you 
> can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq.  Then you can 
> memorize it using the V > M switch.
> 
> I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. If you 
> decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's configuration first.  
> You'll need to restore it after the "set defaults" is completed.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
>> On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
>> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
>> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
>> 
>> 73
>> Stan KG7FYI
>> 
>> 
>>> On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>>> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's
>>> Manual.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> matt W6NIA
>>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Ken K6MR]

Turn off the VFO lock. Hold the rate/lock button.

Ken K6MR

From: KG7FYI<mailto:stan...@surcp.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 11:04 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

73
Stan KG7FYI


On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's
> Manual.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just
> fine there (Mine does)
> > That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a
> calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you
> may hear them
> >
> >From: KG7FYI <[hidden email]
> >
> >   To: [hidden email] 
> >   Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
> >
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Matt Zilmer]

This is very confusing, Stan.  Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up), 
you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?


Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever:  VFO A is 
just an optical encoder with A/B outputs.  A and B act in quadrature 
(only one of them changes per "click") and the transitions are counted 
by a microcontroller (MCU).  The only limit on what frequency range you 
can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU.  The K3 allows receive from VLF 
(136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a transverter.


Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps.  See if 
you can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq.  Then you 
can memorize it using the V > M switch.


I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. If 
you decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's configuration 
first.  You'll need to restore it after the "set defaults" is completed.


73,

matt W6NIA


On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

73
Stan KG7FYI


On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:

BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's
Manual.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:


28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just

fine there (Mine does)

That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a

calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you
may hear them

From: KG7FYI <[hidden email]

>

   To: [hidden email] 
   Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a

loose

cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to

have as

many options as possible available for our small community. We have

been

submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES

usually

also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not

reasonable

at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done

ARES/RACES

certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our

club to

see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time

also I'll

make contact on my own. Thanks.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400. 
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping 
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

73
Stan KG7FYI


On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's 
> Manual.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just 
> fine there (Mine does)
> > That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a 
> calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you 
> may hear them
> >
> >From: KG7FYI <[hidden email] 
> >
> >   To: [hidden email] 
> >   Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
> >
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Hi Marvin,

Thanks for the email. Here's where we stand at the moment.

I am certified ICS 100, ICS 100b, ICS 200, IS-00700a (NIMS), ICS 800B 
and others.

Organizationally we are Red Cross, UVARC (Umpqua Valley Radio Club), 
Douglas County ARES on the local and State level. Our local are on top 
of our game. Our EOC is located in the Douglas County Sheriff's Office. 
(Lot's of hoops there- finger prints etc.) When we do sets it is with 
State emergency services, local hospitals, the VA medical center, SARS 
(Search and Rescue) etc.

Geographically we are in the Cascadia Subduction Zone high impact area. 
Considerations are tsunami, quake, floods. The State of Oregon has 
provided tsunami and quake damage modeling data that is dialed into 
various possible Richter Scale scenarios. The big one is overdue by an 
estimated 50 years.

Our very local scenario is filled with mountains and valleys. We are the 
land of “One Hundred Valleys”. Actually there are thousands of them! 2M 
is very spotty. The USFS ( I have 80 acres in the middle of Umpqua 
National Forest ) radio infrastructure is miserable. Cut backs of 
appropriated $. We coordinate with County SARS.

I am personally CERT certified.

At one stage of my long life I was an EMT for some time.

Solar, generator and grid.

Our ARES group requires go bags for all vehicles. Few people but a lot 
of livestock and gardens here.

My only concern was availability of frequency bandwidth. We have a least 
two Extra Class licenses in the community and one MARS certified. 
Unfortunately they are many 15+ miles away deep in a valley.

We're trying.

73
Stan KG7FYI






On 04/27/2017 08:08 AM, Marvin Wheeler [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Eric:
>
> Speaking as a former professional Emergency Management Coordinator you 
> are
> asking to be able to do something that will not endear you to neither the
> County, State, or Federal Agencies.
>
> Having persons uninformed with net operations is totally disruptive to 
> the
> point, at times, that all traffic stops. Not only will you incur the 
> wrath
> of these agencies you well might incur the wrath of the FCC. Just because
> there is an emergency does not give you Carte Blanc to use radio 
> equipment
> as ones private forum.
>
> There is, however, systems in place that welcome participation like 
> yours.
> Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES) is an organization provided
> for in Part 97 of the Federal Communications Commission rules and
> regulations governing amateur radio. RACES stations are licensed to do
> exactly what it seems you wish to prepare to do.
>
> I would recommend you contact the Oregon Department of Emergency 
> Management
> and describe exactly what you wish to do. You probably will  be surprised
> how receptive they will be.
>
> Our office location:
> 3225 State St., Room 115
> Salem, Oregon 97301
> Map/Directions
>
> Hours of Operation:
> 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday - Friday
> The Oregon Office of Emergency Management observes all state holidays
> including Martin Luther King Jr. Day, President's Day, Memorial Day,
> Independence Day, Labor Day, Veteran's Day, Christmas Day and New Year's
> Day.
>
> Loose cannons generally don't hit their aiming point but instead wreak
> collateral damage.
>
> Marv - KG7V
> K3S, KPA 500, KAT 500
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email] 
> ] On Behalf Of KG7FYI
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:51 AM
> To: [hidden email] 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
>
> Thank you all for the responses. Our situation here is somewhat different
> regarding emergency preparedness. We are a very rural environment in SW
> Oregon. No cell service, frequent land line outages, very mountainous
> terrain and few options for communication in the event of an extreme
> emergency. The State of Oregon has been actively engaged with local ARES
> groups to prepare for an expected 9.1 subduction zone quake off of the
> Pacific Coast. All models point toward a complete disruption of all 
> services
> for months and much of the destruction to disrupt the norm for years. Our
> community is isolated with the probability of all infrastructure 
> collapsing
> and our demographic being physically unable to move in or out of the area
> except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus 
> affected
> zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to 
> provide
> maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS 
> bands. We
> have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't 
> think
> our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I 
> suppose
> I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon 
> have
> it fr

Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Nothing like beating a dead horse to hamburger to make friends :) I've 
made some excellent private contacts through this so a win in the end. 
Thanks for intervening. Like all communities there's the rough and the 
polished. Thanks for letting it go long enough for me to learn a few 
things.

73

Stan
Never Does Nature Say One Thing and Wisdom Another
 o o o  -.-  --.  --...  ..-.  -.--  .. ><º>
Stanley Petrowski KG7FYI
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Committee for Amateur Radio Emergency Services
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On 04/27/2017 06:14 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Looks like we've beaten this OT thread to death. Let's let it rest for 
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> Thread closed.
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> 73,
> Eric
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> On 4/27/2017 4:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
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> by FCC rules.
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> > But…
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Looks like we've beaten this OT thread to death. Let's let it rest for now. 
Thread closed.


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On 4/27/2017 4:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency, by FCC 
rules.

But…



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I agree. I live probably 100 miles north of Harry, near Newport on the Oregon 
Coast. I have participated in a number of simulated emergency tests (SETs) 
anticipating the eventual Cascadia event with big earthquake and tsunami. 

First, I anticipate that everyone would be living in an RV/Trailer or out of a 
car because not many homes (or other structures) will survive a 9+ earthquake 
without serious damage, if they are left standing at all.

So my SET operations are based on the assumption that energy will be precious. 
I have yet to run more than 100 watts into an end-fed wire strung between two 
trees. Often I ran only 20 watts with my K2. I have always been able to work 
over ranges of 50 to 1,000 miles using the best band for the time of day and 
sun cdx, especially if I revert to a digital mode. IMX voice traffic is 
tedious, slow and inefficient compared to just about any digital messaging 
system from CW to any of the more exotic modes now popular. I can sit at a 
table with various various incident commanders or team leaders using my 
keyboard to send traffic without interrupting their conversations. 

The one "frill" I like is a battery powered printer so that incoming traffic 
can be printed and handed over to the others there immediately. 

73, Ron AC7AC 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

I’m curious about running a 500 W amp on emergency power.

Expectations for a severe Cascadia earthquake include power outages for at 
least six months. Batteries and gasoline generators won’t last that long. That 
is a lot of amp to run off of solar. It needs roughly 1000 VA when transmitting.

I would focus on easy to erect antennas with some gain. For your 10 meter net, 
a Moxon beam would give 3 to 4 dB gain, about half the the 7 dB gain from a 100 
to 500 W increase. And it helps on receive, too, unlike an amp. Even with a 
mast or tower, it would be much, much cheaper than a KPA500.

http://www.innovantennas.com/our-antennas/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/455/virtuemart_category_id/4.html
 
<http://www.innovantennas.com/our-antennas/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/455/virtuemart_category_id/4.html>
http://www.wb5cxc.com/10mmoxon.html <http://www.wb5cxc.com/10mmoxon.html>

I expect your local emcomm organizations already have frequency plans. From 
QRZ, it looks like you are in a valley, so you might plan for NVIS antennas. 
These are usually easy to put up, because they are low wire antennas.

Another option would be a directional wire antenna. For example, if you are 
primarily communicating with Roseburg, then a 40m wire beam or “ZL special” 
phased beam might work well. 

One bright spot about widespread power outages—you won’t have much RFI! That 
could allow working with much lower power than usual.

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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Matt Zilmer <mzil...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's Manual.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine 
>> there (Mine does) That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as 
>> it tends to be a calling frequency of sorts and even though they may 
>> not hear you you may hear them
>> 
>>   From: KG7FYI <stan...@surcp.org>
>>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
>>Thanks for all the input.
>> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
>> loose cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type 
>> of emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is 
>> to have as many options as possible available for our small 
>> community. We have been submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M 
>> equipment to be better integrated into the ARES net system here. On 
>> the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ 
>> which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable at all, hence my hope to 
>> scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES certification to 
>> qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to see where 
>> we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll make 
>> contact on my own. Thanks.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Stanley Petrowski]

Words of wisdom. That ranks high with me, Ron.
Fortunately this is not my first rodeo and such are the times. I'm 
willing to be beat over the head and shoulders if I learn what I came 
here for. :)


73, Stan KG7FYI


On 04/27/2017 04:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

I routinely use the delete key for such outbursts and try to avoid judging
someone by their worst comment.

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:58 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for me.
I'll have to figure that one out.


On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:

On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
which is not open on my K3.

You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
KX2 and KX3.

Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
rid of the entitlement attitude.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:


Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a

loose

cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to

have as

many options as possible available for our small community. We have

been

submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES

usually

also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not

reasonable

at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done

ARES/RACES

certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our

club to

see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time

also I'll

make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Nr4c]

28.400 is part of SSB phone bandplan and should be usable on any K3 or other HF 
radio. 

FM is usually operated above 29.00 I believe, but you need the 13KHz filter for 
FM. 

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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 9:18 AM, KG7FYI  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the input.
> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
> many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
> make contact on my own. Thanks.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I routinely use the delete key for such outbursts and try to avoid judging
someone by their worst comment. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:58 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for me.
I'll have to figure that one out.


On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
> > which is not open on my K3.
>
> You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
> to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
> 10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
> KX2 and KX3.
>
> Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
> rid of the entitlement attitude.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks K2ULR. I have fond memories of calling home from Okinawa in '64 
via MARS. It was a fantastic service to the troops. Now I hear there is 
very little of that going on. Satellite internet seems to be the rage. 
We do have several MARS folks in our club and one in the immediate area 
of concern.

73


On 04/27/2017 02:37 PM, Raymond Sills [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Good points.  And, besides that.. MARS communication deals with a 
> military connection.. i.e. sending messages to or from deployed 
> service people, either as written text (morse, digital, etc) or voice, 
> often via phone patches.
>
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email] 
> >
> To: elecraft <[hidden email] 
> >
> Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 11:36 am
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
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> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> > provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> > MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> > licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> > limitation of band width.
>
> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
> are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>
> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
> been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
> obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.
>
> 73,
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Walter Underwood]

Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency, by FCC 
rules.

But…

* If you are relying on something you’ve never used to work for you in an 
emergency, that is wishful thinking. We perform down to our training, not up to 
our wishes.
* Most likely, no one will be listening on those other frequencies.
* You will spend a long time explaining to the FCC why none of the many bands 
available to amateurs were usable.

I recommend becoming familiar with the IARU region 2 emergency center of 
activity frequencies. This is where comms will be in a big emergency.

3750 kHz
3895 kHz
7240 kHz
7275 kHz
14300 kHz (global)
18160 kHz (global)
21360 kHz (global)

http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/R2_LF-MF-HF_Bandplan_2010.pdf 


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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:43 PM, KG7FYI  wrote:
> 
> I'm all about the rules. The last thing I would want to see is the chaos 
> that is found on some bandwidths. That said, when life and limb are 
> perishing the rule is getting a signal out when and how you can.
> 
> s
> 
> 
> On 04/27/2017 08:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>>> I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
>>> provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
>>> MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
>>> licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
>>> limitation of band width.
>> 
>> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
>> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
>> are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
>> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>> 
>> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
>> been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
>> obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>... Joe, W4TV
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for 
me. I'll have to figure that one out.


On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
> > which is not open on my K3.
>
> You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
> to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
> 10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
> KX2 and KX3.
>
> Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
> rid of the entitlement attitude.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks W6NIA. I will check asap.


On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's 
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> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
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> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just 
> fine there (Mine does)
> > That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a 
> calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you 
> may hear them
> >
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> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks for that input. I must have some setting wrong then. I am not 
even able to navigate to 28.400 on my rig.



On 04/27/2017 09:29 AM, Bob Nielsen-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Your K3 should be able to operate between 28.0 and 29.7 MHz on the 10
> meter band, no modification required.
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> On 4/27/17 9:18 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
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> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

I'm all about the rules. The last thing I would want to see is the chaos 
that is found on some bandwidths. That said, when life and limb are 
perishing the rule is getting a signal out when and how you can.

s


On 04/27/2017 08:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> > provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> > MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> > licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> > limitation of band width.
>
> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
> are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>
> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
> been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
> obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Raymond Sills]

Good points.  And, besides that.. MARS communication deals with a military 
connection.. i.e. sending messages to or from deployed service people, either 
as written text (morse, digital, etc) or voice, often via phone patches.  


73 de Ray
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From: Joe Subich, W4TV <li...@subich.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 11:36 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> limitation of band width.

If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.

Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Walter Underwood]

I’m curious about running a 500 W amp on emergency power.

Expectations for a severe Cascadia earthquake include power outages for at 
least six months. Batteries and gasoline generators won’t last that long. That 
is a lot of amp to run off of solar. It needs roughly 1000 VA when transmitting.

I would focus on easy to erect antennas with some gain. For your 10 meter net, 
a Moxon beam would give 3 to 4 dB gain, about half the the 7 dB gain from a 100 
to 500 W increase. And it helps on receive, too, unlike an amp. Even with a 
mast or tower, it would be much, much cheaper than a KPA500.

http://www.innovantennas.com/our-antennas/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/455/virtuemart_category_id/4.html
 
<http://www.innovantennas.com/our-antennas/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/455/virtuemart_category_id/4.html>
http://www.wb5cxc.com/10mmoxon.html <http://www.wb5cxc.com/10mmoxon.html>

I expect your local emcomm organizations already have frequency plans. From 
QRZ, it looks like you are in a valley, so you might plan for NVIS antennas. 
These are usually easy to put up, because they are low wire antennas.

Another option would be a directional wire antenna. For example, if you are 
primarily communicating with Roseburg, then a 40m wire beam or “ZL special” 
phased beam might work well. 

One bright spot about widespread power outages—you won’t have much RFI! That 
could allow working with much lower power than usual.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Matt Zilmer <mzil...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's Manual.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine there 
>> (Mine does)
>> That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a calling 
>> frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you may hear them
>> 
>>   From: KG7FYI <stan...@surcp.org>
>>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
>>Thanks for all the input.
>> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
>> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
>> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
>> many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
>> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
>> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
>> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
>> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
>> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
>> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
>> make contact on my own. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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[Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[j...@kk9a.com]

There is a lot of information regarding the KAT500 power limits on the
Elecraft website:

http://www.elecraft.com/KAT500/kat500.html



From: stanley KG7FYI
Thu Apr 27 09:51:00 EDT 2017


I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
which is not open on my K3.


You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
KX2 and KX3.

Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
rid of the entitlement attitude.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Matt Zilmer]

BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's Manual.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine there 
(Mine does)
That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a calling 
frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you may hear them

   From: KG7FYI <stan...@surcp.org>
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  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks for all the input.

I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine there 
(Mine does)
That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a calling 
frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you may hear them

  From: KG7FYI <stan...@surcp.org>
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
   
Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Bob Nielsen]

Your K3 should be able to operate between 28.0 and 29.7 MHz on the 10 
meter band, no modification required.


Bob, N7XY


On 4/27/17 9:18 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
limitation of band width.


If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.

Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Marvin Wheeler]

Eric:

Speaking as a former professional Emergency Management Coordinator you are
asking to be able to do something that will not endear you to neither the
County, State, or Federal Agencies.

Having persons uninformed with net operations is totally disruptive to the
point, at times, that all traffic stops. Not only will you incur the wrath
of these agencies you well might incur the wrath of the FCC. Just because
there is an emergency does not give you Carte Blanc to use radio equipment
as ones private forum.

There is, however, systems in place that welcome participation like yours.
Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES) is an organization provided
for in Part 97 of the Federal Communications Commission rules and
regulations governing amateur radio. RACES stations are licensed to do
exactly what it seems you wish to prepare to do.

I would recommend you contact the Oregon Department of Emergency Management
and describe exactly what you wish to do. You probably will  be surprised
how receptive they will be.

Our office location:
3225 State St., Room 115
Salem, Oregon 97301
Map/Directions

Hours of Operation:
8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday - Friday
The Oregon Office of Emergency Management observes all state holidays
including Martin Luther King Jr. Day, President's Day, Memorial Day,
Independence Day, Labor Day, Veteran's Day, Christmas Day and New Year's
Day.

Loose cannons generally don't hit their aiming point but instead wreak
collateral damage.

Marv - KG7V
K3S, KPA 500, KAT 500

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thank you all for the responses. Our situation here is somewhat different
regarding emergency preparedness. We are a very rural environment in SW
Oregon. No cell service, frequent land line outages, very mountainous
terrain and few options for communication in the event of an extreme
emergency. The State of Oregon has been actively engaged with local ARES
groups to prepare for an expected 9.1 subduction zone quake off of the
Pacific Coast. All models point toward a complete disruption of all services
for months and much of the destruction to disrupt the norm for years. Our
community is isolated with the probability of all infrastructure collapsing
and our demographic being physically unable to move in or out of the area
except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus affected
zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to provide
maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS bands. We
have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't think
our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I suppose
I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon have
it from Elecraft. 

I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[GWK]

Yes, it does - in general, 600 W into 10:1 SWR, 1000 W into 3:1 SWR 
(except 500 W into 5:1 SWR from 30 to 60 MHz.  This is ICAS with equal 
time on and off, 5 min max at full power.  See manual for details.


I am using a KAT500 routinely with the K3/100, and on occasion, the 
AL-80a, which can produce 600W CW or 1000 W SSB peak.  No problems so far.


George, W3HBM

On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:


I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

There’s no reason Elecraft wouldn’t provide the information to an authorized 
MARS station.  Local MARS directors also typically have information on firmware 
loads or other common means to get a lot of radios expanded to general coverage 
transmit, which they provide to MARS members.  And MARS does work with civilian 
agencies in emergencies.

There aren’t really MARS ‘bands” as such.  But regardless of license class, an 
Amateur station without a MARS license is not authorized to operate on any 
designated MARS frequency.  These frequencies are managed by DoD.  The 
interface between MARS and the non-MARS emergency traffic is on the ham bands, 
not on MARS frequencies, since that is the only place both are licensed to 
operate.

So, if they’re not, your local/state emergency coordinators should be working 
with the State MARS directors and their staffs to develop a plan for MARS 
support in the event of a natural disaster.  

That said, I dropped my AFMARS affilliation around 15 years ago, so maybe 
things have changed.  And I probably don’t understand the full context of the 
request to begin with.


> except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus affected
> zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to provide
> maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS bands. We
> have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't think
> our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I suppose
> I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon have
> it from Elecraft. 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thank you all for the responses. Our situation here is somewhat different
regarding emergency preparedness. We are a very rural environment in SW
Oregon. No cell service, frequent land line outages, very mountainous
terrain and few options for communication in the event of an extreme
emergency. The State of Oregon has been actively engaged with local ARES
groups to prepare for an expected 9.1 subduction zone quake off of the
Pacific Coast. All models point toward a complete disruption of all services
for months and much of the destruction to disrupt the norm for years. Our
community is isolated with the probability of all infrastructure collapsing
and our demographic being physically unable to move in or out of the area
except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus affected
zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to provide
maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS bands. We
have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't think
our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I suppose
I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon have
it from Elecraft. 

I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Brian Hunt]

As far as I know ARES members only operate within the amateur band allocations. 
Your K3 should cover what you need as is. Maybe you are thinking about MARS - 
Military Affiliate Radio System who do operate outside of the amateur band 
allocations. For that you will need the radio software mod available from 
Elecraft with proof you are a MARS member. 

The KAT500 will handle all the power the K3 can output. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 11:24, KG7FYI  wrote:
> 
> As a member of the local ARES I would like to unlock my K3 to access all
> bands. My radio kit was built two years ago.
>   What is the wattage limit on the
> KAT500 tuner? 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[Matt Zilmer]

There is a Windoze-based app that unlocks TX up to 25 MHz, I believe. RX 
is already continuous up to 30 MHz, plus there is aRX segment at 44 to 
50 MHz, and finally 6m.


The rule used to be that you were required to send CS a copy of your 
MARS cert (or other authorization to operate), then they'd email a copy 
of the unlock program to you.  You can ask CS what's needed in your 
case.  The last time I unlocked a K3TX was in 2009 or so


k3supp...@elecraft.com

73,

matt W6NIA


On 4/26/2017 11:27 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

Also regarding the above, what if any changes need to be made to the K3 for
unlocked band usage?
Stan
KG7FYI



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Also regarding the above, what if any changes need to be made to the K3 for
unlocked band usage?
Stan
KG7FYI



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[Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

[KG7FYI]

Thanks for your attention. I've been running my K3 with pleasure. I have
several questions.

As a member of the local ARES I would like to unlock my K3 to access all
bands. My radio kit was built two years ago.
   1. Does my kit need a firmware update? I haven't been tracking that info.
   2. Is the software needed to unlock the bands freely available?
   
I have a couple of other radios for backup. What is the wattage limit on the
KAT500 tuner? 
Thanks for any help.

Stan
KG7FYI



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